PS3 Has “Tight memory, Poor IO Performance” – John Carmack

RAGE has been criticized on all platforms since its launch on October 4th, especially the PC version of id Software’s shooter. John Carmack, technical director of the game’s developer, has now said the studio can’t improve the PlayStation 3 ‘s performance much more, as well as saying the platform has ‘tight memory’ and poor ‘IO performance’.

[R4MBO]

Carmack needs to stop dissing the PS3, and just focus on his games.

[raytraceme]

The ps3 is truly a challenge the "coding genius" has failed at. I thing he mad.

[BattleAxe]

Thats why I like to call RAGE a "Carmack", or rather a "Car Wreck".

[VvKILLAGOOSEvV]

This is why I don't buy anything he says anymore, yet a good majority of you are still willing to think everything he touches is gold...

Last I checked, Rare was also once a top tier developer, and what are they doing these days?

[raytraceme]

Oh god I remember when I read an article claiming that carmack got 60fps from an intergrated intel gpu. What hype and no substance. High end amd cards are having issues with framerate and no freakin advance graphics options. Guess what folks, this is the crysis 2 fiasco all over but in this case worse.

[malol]

well he is right
PS3 do have “Tight memory, Poor IO Performance”
but what about PC ??
does that have “Tight memory, Poor IO Performance”
oh i got it its the "beta drivers" falut
o im sorry :)
now here is a song for you mr carmack
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Godmars290]

Thing is Rage is a multiplatform title. Not Just PS3.

Then again, we're five years into one console cycle and talking about another. With rage being talked up around the beginning, there's no real point in complaining about developing now.

[NukaCola]

RAGE will not take any awards this year, and I am sure Uncharted 3 will take quite a few. Maybe you should learn to PS3 and quite dissing it.

[wicko]

Wow. Sounds like all you commenters are mad. People asked his opinion about the consoles and he answered. If you think the PS3 has no faults, then you know nothing about hardware.

[evrfighter]

mad troll props to carmack.

[xPhearR3dx]

RAGE looks better than Uncharted 3 and runs at 60FPS. I know you're in denial because you can't accept the fact that a multiplatform title looks better than your precious exclusive Uncharted, but get over it. It's not a big deal.

[superadvanced]

carmack irl trolling

[JBaby343]

Did I miss something? I admit I haven't followed Rage at all because it doesn't interest me but I thought it was supposedly phenomenal from the previews and comments that have come out. Did it get downgraded or something? I thought it was supposed to put all other games to shame running at 60fps and all. What happened?

[hiredhelp]

WOW just login to N4G see this caught my eye.
Well thats the final nail in the coffin Spend more time to study ps3 youll realise you can do good with it like many others.

Get your head out of ms A** Soz guys way i feel to think he had my respect and his company ID for long time.

Bad enough hes chosen to not work on his lead platform like he has done for years. its even worse you gota start talking trash AGAIN" to another big company.

[JaredH]

Is everyone on this site a troll or something. He's not dissing the ps3 he just answered a question honestly. The ID tech 5 is made for next-gen consoles not current ones. It's not that he doesn't understand anything about the ps3. I'm pretty sure if he was given the Uncharted 3 engine he could put out a game just as good looking as Naughty Dog can.

The fact that he actually explains why the ps3 version is not perfect isn't like Gabe Newel at all who just said he didn't like the ps3 for no reason. He doesn't say he dislikes the ps3 at all actually he just gave technical reasons for why the game runs worse.

For the id tech 5 engine with megatextures, 60 fps, physics and ai that aren't from ps2 gen like half of you are saying the ps3 has a problem running it with the reasons he gave. It's not like it's an engine that was made for ps3 or even 360. It's for the 720 and ps4. None of you realize that though.

[SilentNegotiator]

I can't believe people call him a "Coding genius".

There's nothing groundbreaking about RAGE. They gave the game muddy textures and no AA with plenty of pop-in, and thus were able to make it 60fps. TA-DA! More talented developers have done things more amazing than that. If everyone else used the same "technique", then most console games could probably be 60fps.

What impressive things has he done in the last DECADE? Pretty lighting in Doom 3? Whoop de doo. iD are has-beens.

[da_2pacalypse]

meh I kind of agree... even Gabe is still not a big fan of PS3, the only reason he prefers it to the xbox is because of the fact that he has more freedom on the ps3.

[Brosy]

Carmack knows more about the PS3 than any of you. So Carmack is no longer crediable because he isn't bowing down to you Sony worshipers. I'll tell you this Id take his words over any of yours. You guys need to grow up and stop acting like spoiled children. The PS3 isnt some magical machine that spouts rainbows and unicorns out of its ass because of its limitless power. If you want to be mad at somebody be mad at sony for building their processor around their house owned blu-ray format.

[2v1]

lolol that was funny

[Objective]

Typical fanboy response. PS3 proven by THE technical expert to be the weakest link and suddenly he has no credibility! HA! Sorry but it is you guys who have no credibility to any rational observer! How many times have we seen this? The best looking games on consoles perform better on the 360 (Crysis and Rage etc) and everyone here vociferously and repeatedly DENIES it and DISSES the developers. And then they go back to their usual driveL about Uncharted or Killzone being better...

But the truth is NO your exclusives are NOT better! I have both consoles and agree that the production value of PS3 exclusives are good and have superior artistic style, BUT they are NOT technically better. Even if you disagree with this, at the very least they are NOT, as many of you like to claim, significantly better than other good games, be it multi platforms or 360 exclusives. It was said from the start of this gen that the architecture of the 360 is better suited for gaming and, no surprise, that is still proving to be true. Your relentless denial, false logic and siege mentality won't change that fact.

[kramun]

Oh dear, it seems some of you have had your feelings hurt by Carmack talking about your dear little ps3. Oh diddums, grab a tissue and wipe away your tears.

I think he knows what he's talking about more than you lot. He was just answering a question, nothing more than that.

[meetajhu]

Coding genius failed? You mean he didn't deliver 60fps and high quality graphics on PS3?

[ApplEaglElephant]

He previously said that PS3 MORE POWER, but it requires tons of work to get them because it is hard to code for. Also, cause it lacks development tools. and etc.

this is the same "TECHNICAL EXPERT".

Also, you shouldnt say Crysis 2 and technical at the same time. you just proven your self an obvious- rtard- troll.

Crysis 2 suffers from tons of technical issues. SUB HD, Frame rates, Pop ups. low poly counts and etc. go read it on DF or LOT. it looks good, but it is not "technically" better. no where close.LOT did a comparison on this. KZ3 and UC2 looks better than C2. I lol at your denial.

Also, i laugh at how you get off at tiniest difference between multiplat games. With 360 not having any exclusives, i guess fanboys need something to get excited about.

Also, Rage isnt the best looking game on console. it lacks too much polygon, lighting, and jaggfest on consoles.

[JokesOnYou]

He's just stating his professional opinion it happens to be unfavorable for ps3 and now of course you kids want to slam him. lol, John Carmack, credentials include Respected dev/ genius coder, Father of the FPS, recently made Rage, which although had issues is still 1 of the best ever looking games on consoles, with very good gameplay.

So when it comes to creditability its not even close.....John Carmack>Infinite fanboys.

[Sarcasm]

It's 5 year old hardware, and older if you consider the development of the actual system and he's complaining?

What the hell does he want? The PC version which is basically unlimited, cant even run properly on most people's rigs.

[itsallgud]

It's amazing how the ps3 people on here think they know more about game development and hardware than the legendary John Carmack. Wow. Where is this place? Is it the ps3 twilight zone or something?

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

Seems Carmack's wisdom has these birds' wings flustered. The guy has more tech know-how in his finger than all of you put together but the drones hive mentality wants all hands on deck--typing criticism about the good sir for stating facts. You all should save some of that venom for Doom 4, when that RAGE engine drops down to 30fps and crush every competitor out there and make you believe your money wasn't wasted on that plastic you worship, lol....

[Ser]

@xPhearR3dx

You wish, guy. The textures in Rage are child's play when compared to Uncharted 3's.

[The_Con-Sept]

What year is this? Oh yeah its 2011... for a half minute there I thought this was another lost Gabe Newell rant that somehow resurfaced on N4G....

If KillZone can show us realistic dynamic lighting then why can't rage?

I don't mean to insult the creator of First Person Shooters... But why is Carmack the only one complaining now? Looks like someone is 5 years to late to the PS3 hate party.

[Space_cancer]

Sorry mates, kind of ot noob, but i just got PS3 and i´m thinking can i sign in two gamer profiles at the same time (like 360 style) and earn trophys for both while playing split?

After 5 years only with 360 and now shitfaced with "little" vodka snaps on while trying to learn PS3 OS is pretty hard lol, maybe I just need some more juice. But ty for the help anyway =:P

Drinks on me!

[bunfighterii]

What's IO?

[kaozgamer]

@Objective

"i own both consoles" yeah what a load of crap. pretty much every 360 fanboy says that. tell the truth, you have NEVER played killzone or uncharted.

[MaxXAttaxX]

Why don't we just let our games do the talking?
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Anyway, as I recall, he said the PS3 had MORE peak power/performance than 360. BUT it is harder to utilize.

Have any of you fanboys even seen RAGE on PS3?
Both versions are virtually identical. So I don't see why people are getting riled up when the 360 version is really no better:
http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

[ProjectVulcan]

PS3 is a tricky old thing to master no question. What he says about the platform is also technically true. However, what most people seem to be annoyed about is that RAGE has not really lived up to the hype as a technical tour de force.

What is worse for him is that the PC version was bodged to start with. There is NO valid excuses to be had for the problems on PC, no moaning about technical limitations.

Unfortunately when he says his studio can't improve on the games performance that is really a comment on the lack of ambition, ingenuity and expertise on hand inside the developer surely?

Sounds like somebody else needs to go cap in hand to the first party sony studios to learn how to build games better for PS3.

[Perjoss]

Carmack is not the first person (no pun intended) to complain about the PS3, when it comes to programming for games hardware he knows what he's talking about, he's also a rocket scientist in his spare time so I'm going to go ahead and trust his judgement.

PS3 is a great machine with some very nice exclusives, I just hope Sony learn from their experience and makes the next Playstation easier to develop for. After all, who cares which machine has the better multi platform games as long as they just keep making good games for us to play.

[SonyPS360]

lose the positive connotation of the Ps3 being a pain in the ass to code for already. He isn't the only dev to touch on it either.

[Saladfax]

Yet again, Gabe Newell, though not tactful, wasn't wrong about his criticism of the PS3 at the time.

Sony had a lousy first couple of years, and Newell pretty much said flat out that the architecture was needlessly obtuse and the development tools weren't all that great.

The PS3 was not the most worthwhile system to own back then. It's obviously improved, which was why Newell, who is very very good at the business side of things, didn't shy away from what amounted to a solid market for Portal 2.

[Legion]

@malol

Actually the problem with PCs is making the game work across multiple configurations... which is a nightmare compared to making for a console with a single configuration (for the most part).

You have to think of being able to work with Vista and 7, and sometimes XP and what about those that have Mac? You have to work with multiple drivers and issues with each in respect to what they can or can't put out.

I've had to revert back to old drivers for some games because new drivers give me a fault with a certain game.

How many chipsets and graphic cards do we have to deal with? It almost gets to the point where you have to have multiple games on each disk and then just choose which version works with your system. And no matter what you are always short handing one PC configuration over the other.

I remember the days were I had to have a specific graphics card just to play a game. Not to just play it well... but to actually play it. PCs have their advantages but their disadvantages are just as many when you deal with all of them together.

[BlindGuardian]

maybe he should apply for an internship at Naughty Dog

[strifeblade]

i thingzz you learn need to spellz properly.

[dantesparda]

He's is basically saying that the HDD is to slow to stream the textures to the RAM (hence the poor IO performance comment). And he is also saying that if he had more RAM he could have also have fixed the problem that way. Hence why he says that its got "tight RAM". If you's use a Solid State Drive it'll get rid of all, if not, almost all the texture pop-in/up. Sony and MS should also implement a defragmenter, as that might help situation out some

[iamnsuperman]

Lately it has become more so. Every other multiplat out their seems not to have such a big problem. The PS3 has shortcomings like every other console but its no excuse. The best developers work within the boundaries. Rage was a disappointment. Blaming the console isn't going to hide this fact. What he should be saying we did bad and our next game we will improve not blaming the console. Carmack look at every other multiplat out there (note didn't say exclusive because they tend to be better as more work is done on one console). They do very well and you didn't do as well.

[BrianC6234]

There's no excuse for third party developers to not push the PS3. The PS3 is so powerful and the 360 ports are better than if they made the game for the 360 first. Or at least as good. I think the real problem is these people want to make the game for the PC/360. Stop with that.

[StanLee]

Megatextures are a new technology which is admittedly limited by the fixed architecture of consoles. It's Id's multiplatform development strategy that has hampered the PC game's development. He's not making excuses, he's saying what the limitations are for the technology on the PS3 console. To say Rage is a disappointment is your opinion. Many frankly love and are enjoying the game so speak for yourself.

[gamingdroid]

Except Rage is one of the, if not the best looking multi-platform game. It runs at 60fps and is capable of full 720p.

Not many multi-platform games can do that especially an open world esque one.

[raytraceme]

more like 5% 720p and 95% sub hd there is "dynamic resolution" for ya.

[gamingdroid]

That depends on the platform you are on:

"The top shot is just a cut-scene showing your new buggy inside the Hagar settlement garage. It seems to be running at 640x720 on PS3 while Xbox 360 is in the region of 896x720. In the bottom shot, we're again seeing 640x720 on the PlayStation 3, while 360 renders the same scene at 1152x720."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

... that said, there is still no other game I can think of that is multi-platform, runs 60fps and looks better than Rage.

[Sarcasm]

Graphics or not, the gameplay is actually kinda boring.

[Saladfax]

Well, as much as I can respect what id has brought to gaming in terms of the technical stuff...

I've never really been uber-thrilled by their gameplay or (especially) narrative.

[BrianC6234]

I bet the people at Naughty Dog are cracking up over this nut. Does Carmack even do any programming anymore? I bet he does nothing but push paper now. The PS3 is a powerful system. Just stop making games on it like they make 360 games.

[kikizoo]

If they can read n4g jokes, is better than carmack : "RAGE looks better than Uncharted 3 "

LOL, how delusional are the poor xfanboyz.

facts :

ps3/Xbox = same amount of memory, but ps3 faster memory (rambus)
Ps3 = way better cpu
xbox = gpu has a little advantage (but when cell help ps3 gpu, no competition)
ps3 : bluray

JAZZZ new (delusional account said :
" I do feel the 360 could easily handle a game like uncharted as there is nothing special or realistic about it. The seris is great fun but its linear and cartoony. Its seems ps3 has problems with games that use highr physics and more realsitic and ope"

LOL, just buy a ps3, and stop spreading stupid lies, your imagination is ridiculous.

[GearsOfWar]

@kikizoo

Hey, how about you grow up before ranting about something you can't comprehend? It's obvious you're a child, or a retarded adult.

[palaeomerus]

I bet the people at Naughty Dog would hire Carmack in a heartbeat if they could get him, and I suspect they look down on you silly ignorant PS3 fanboy types and the obnoxious idiotic stuff you post with a sad sense of disgust and contempt. I bet they think Rage looks and runs amazing and are proud of Carmack for his role in it and looking forward to Doom 4.

Because unlike the typical N4G nerd herd Naughty Dog is not made up of angry, small minded, dishonest bitter, little idiots with an axe to grind, who have NO IDEA what they are spewing crap about 95% of the time (including now).

Naughty Dog like John Carmack are respectable, educated, highly skilled game devs with a record of excellence who know good stuff when they see it and respect it.

Naughty Dog have far more in common with a John Carmack than they do with the babbling chumps who muck up this aggregator site that mostly just posts bad lists and opinion pieces from kids with barely updated blogspot sites, who pretend to be game journalists, in a sad quest for occasional free review copies, trade show access, and swag from naive, uncaring, or distracted PR types.

[BrianC6234]

Grow up moron. Why in the world would Naughty Dog hire Carmack? He hasn't made a great game in years. Doom 3 was pretty bad. Rage is nothing special. He just isn't keeping up.

[andibandit]

@BrianC6234

quote:

"The PS3 is a powerful system".

Right on brotha, my PS3 is a supacomutar it has 8 SPU's running at infinite LolloHertz, and a dynamic hardware that gets faster as time passes by.

[shinrock]

where was the diss at in what he said? help me here.because all i heard was a technical reason why he prefers working on the 360.

[Vega75]

there wasn't one. he basically answered a question someone tweeted and the article and fanboys spun it into him dissing the ps3. instead of the title saying "Carmack explain why he can't fix the ps3 version" you have this for hits and to anger the fanboys.

[Thatguy-310]

Mad because rage didn't get critically aclaimed like he wanted...can careless less when developers diss the ps3.. especially when you see the quality of the games that have come out of it

[Ducky]

... his game didn't get universal critical acclaim, so he's decided to diss one specific console?

Yea, that makes sense. >.>

His comments state two things, one of the issues is acknowledged by Sony themselves (i.e. the tight memory) the other, I don't really know much about.

[JaredH]

No he just answered a fans question honestly...

[Persistantthug]

Carmack in an interview, he even says he hopes the next PS4 doesn't have Cell Architecture.

As it turns out, Old dogs don't learn new tricks very well it seems.

http://www.pcper.com/review...

[Saladfax]

Amazing.

As usual, an ignorant fanbrat takes one tiny quote from one tiny section of a very long interview, completely ignores any context, and uses it as some kind of completely stupid proof of something completely stupid.

The "Old Dogs/New Tricks" thing is especially funny when much of the article discusses much of recent and future trends in graphics development, like voxels and ray tracing.

Oh, and for you people still on the fence, here's the actual quote:

"I hope that they don’t try to push Cell architectures again because there are a lot of reasons why peak performance is great... and there are cases in Rage where a PS3, if you are in an instance level where you have a lot of main memory (so a lot of things are cached in RAM), the extra horsepower of the Cells will let them transcode it into graphics memory much faster than the 360 and faster than all but the most extreme PCs, but its a pain in the ass to take advantage of it that way. For the cases when we didn't have all that buffered in memory, it winds up being more problematic."

[Gamer1982]

Hmm I remember a certain Gabe Newell dissing the PS3 at one point and look how that turned out? Does anybody ever listen to these guys and actually say to themselves "hey that guys right i'll not bother releasing my game on that console now thanks mate!" or whatever?
I guess not..

[mendicant]

Gabe only "apologized" because he was told to do so.

[kikizoo]

No, because 2011 is not 2006, and only blind fanboyz can deny factual evidences (like best graphics on consoles : uc3, gow3, kz, etc)

[pedo_across-the-road]

Hey! John Carmack why dont you go say that to Tetsuya Nomura and Hideo Kojima face.

[AO1JMM]

And what would those 2 "nerds" do if Carmack did that?

[pedo_across-the-road]

L0L! Carmack is probably BIGGEST nerd out of the three you dimp.

[Eiffel]

@pedo_across-the-road

You so mad bro. No need getting angry about what you don't understand.

[pedo_across-the-road]

I'm sorry, but can you tell me what i don't understand.

[Eiffel]

Why even bother now? You're all out of bubbles, LOL.

[user858621]

lol some people on this site are mad :P

[Silly gameAr]

Gamersmint seems to be the type of site that can take something out of context, and turn it into falmebait for quick hits.

In other words, not a quality site.

[AO1JMM]

He is NOT dissing the PS3 you moron! He is pointing out actual technical facts.

[baodeus]

@AO1JMM

what is the point of pointing out actual technical facts, when these guy don't know what those actually mean? They don't even read the article, just the title alone get them all fired up. Anything negative about ps3 not gonna go well on n4g (fact).

Here how about an experiment:

Why don't u guys watch a youtube video in small screen first, then expand it out to full screen and see if there are any differences in the graphic. Similar to the situation here between Rage and UC.

[StraightPath]

Low ram too can not do cross game chat. confirmed by Sony themselves.

[StraightPath]

Carmack knows much more then all these hurt cry babies in denial multiplatform games look great on xbox 360.

[SephirothX21]

Well people on here are talking as if RAGE got poor reviews when it got quite the opposite. It got many 9s and has an average of over 8. Sure it didn't live up to expectations but many games don't when they're overhyped. It has one of the most beautifully crafted gaming worlds ever. If Carmack doesn't like the PS3 as a developer, then that's his opinion. The only crybabies here are the PS3 fanboys who refuse to admit that the PS3 is an awkward console to develop for. The biggest problem with RAGE is its incompatibility with certain pc hardware and future updates will fix that. Clearly id focused more on console development which has annoyed pc gamers but consoles are where the money is after all. Though it runs perfectly on my GTX 580. The PS3 has limited memory. Hell my pc has 8 gigs of ram. The PS3 has 1 gig. Sony has learned from their mistakes as is seen with the Vita. Imo the PS3 is a better console for gamers but clearly a worse console for developers.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

Ps3 has 512 Mb of ram, the processor half of it is XDR ram

[frostyhat123]

He is not "dissing" he is telling the truth, you dont have to cry about it just accept it. Way to many fanboys on this article.

[MGS_fanatico_]

You know... While I do respect Carmack, I simply stop listening to his criticism when I see games like Uncharted 3 -
My mind goes numb and I go to lala-land...

[Saladfax]

They're very different animals to produce.

Consider a real-time cutscene shot from a single-angle perspective (Drake being chased by the truck in the city in UC2). It looks super cool, but it's one rendering from one angle.

With a first-person game, most every angle of everything has to be rendered at any given moment. Add an open-world feel and sprawling landscapes which may or may not be quickly traversed... not to mention a player may progress in any given direction from a sidequest or whim.

Naughty Dog has the distinct advantage in a game like Uncharted because they can more or less control the pace of the player through said game. Every sequence can be carefully planned, which means they know exactly when they don't need to be rendering the previous street anymore. This allows them to spend more of the system's resources on strong visuals.

They're really friggin' good at it too, which is a heavy commendation that they can manage to keep such tight flow. I remember being impressed way back when about the way they set up the original Jak and Daxter; more or less any loading or upcoming rendering was conducted progressively.

However, such a thing is much easier when player pace and movement is more predictable.

[FanboyPunisher]

Stop being a big baby, hes not 'DISSIN' the PS3.

Hes talking technical, facts, physical numbers 1+1=2
there is not speculation in that, its based of physical processing numbers.

N4G, people are so fucking stupid on here. Fanboys and biases towards a system they jack off towards is getting way to pathetic. So many blind and ignorant people.

[zeddy]

carmack needs to take a look at god at god of war 3, uncharted, killzone and stop moaning. id software are nothing compared to naughty dog, they would make a game look good on any system regardlss of this poor IO mumbo jumbo.

[Zynga]

Idiot! When those games run at 60fps then you have something to brag about otherwise go back to your super scripted and linear experience titles.

[trouble_bubble]

Another Carmack quote? Someone's upset with his 360 meta-score that's lower than naughty PS3's R3 & KZ3. Adam Sessler hurt his feelings when he said RAGE had one of the worst closing chapters to a game he's ever played. Hey Carmack, the IO has nothing to do with a s%$&y ending.

[Ducky]

... If you want to bring Metascores into this, why not compare them from the same platform?

For PS3:
Resistance3: 83
Killzone3: 84
Rage: 84

If the 360 version has a lower score, shouldn't he be dissing the 360?

Your comment about the ending isn't much of an argument, as Carmack was only answering a question about the PS3 versions performance.
He answered it honestly, and that's it.

The top 2 hottest stories on N4G right now are both about Carmack's twitter posts.
That is... kind of sad.

[trouble_bubble]

Why?

Well for starters Resistance 3 has EIGHTY, that's 8-0 reviews and Rage PS3 only has TWENTY FIVE. You really can't compare. Sample size is too skewed. 360 at least has SIXTY reviews for that 82% avg so it's a more fair comparison. Law of averages. It's a heckuva lot easier to maintain a higher average with 55 less reviews and none of the bad ones.

Anyways, my point was the game ain't even the best thing to come out in recent months, yet now I've seen 2 Carmack headlines in as many days whining about 2005 tech. Substitute Resistance for Gears, my point's the same.

He needs to prove himself to console owners imho before getting all technical on us about console shortcomings when there are devs making better games with less whine. Get the lil' things right first, like the last 1/3rd of the game, then ask Santa for that PS4 & 720 dev kit.

[geddesmond]

Yep there is a well known saying. Only a bad tradesman blames his tools. In this case only a bad dev blames the hardware. Hey look ID software, Naughty Dog are sitting over there giving yous one big wave. I would be inclined to believe his statements if UC2/3, KZ2,3 and GOW3 didn't exist. Unfortunatley they do and we all see what good devs can do with the PS3.

Stop trying to put the blame on something else.

[Saladfax]

Yet again...

There's no blame floating around. He was asked an honest question, and he provided an honest answer, one which has apparently been corroborated by Sony themselves.

If you actually care about this issue, rather than to slobber all over your chosen system, actually read some of the interviews where he talks about system architecture.

Oh, and as far as tradesman blaming tools... a saw missing a few teeth is less effective than a saw which isn't.

[elshadi]

lol at this guy .. carmack
can't shut up after his game failed big time
what his excuse for the Pc version then ???

hey carmack why don't you go and tell that to
Santa monica and Noughty dog and Guerrilla games
and see what happen ??
i know they want to laugh a little

this from carmack (that sad excuse of dev):
""the extra horsepower of the Cells will let them transcode it into graphics memory much faster than the 360 and faster than all but the most extreme PCs, but

"its a pain in the ass to take advantage of it that way."
""
hahahahaha
what we call that again ... "coding genius" ????
lol
he looks like a very lazy dev to me

[Treyb3yond]

Go speak to Naughty Dog for some tips Carmack, you clearly need them.

[TBM]

Meh john I've enjoyed plenty of great looking, and great playing games on the system with its tight memory and whatever else you said. I think you've lost a lot of face with how bad the pc version of your game turned out.

[otherZinc]

Carmack is the smartest in the industry. He needs to keep telling it like it is!

Id should have made Rage Exclusive to the 360, then we could have 4 player co-op!

@geddesmond,
Absolutely Nothing on the PS3 or any console looks as good as Rage! Those super linear games you mentioned: KZ, UC3, & GOW3, please...not even close!

I'll say it for the last time...
Nothing on consoles looks better than friggin Rage!

[cannon8800]

LOL carmack said that the cpu from the ps3 is about the same power as the 360's. He's lying BIG time. I feel bad for the people who don't know about the tech behind the consoles and just fall for his lies. The ps3 can do wonders. Rage is nothing compared to other amazing engines.

[TheMailman]

Please someone show the new UC3 trailer to the man.. And teach him how to actualy deliver a game instead of talking rubbish..

[InNomeDiDio]

Carmack is a Legend

[TVippy]

Can you even trust the man after RAGE's PC release?

[ATi_Elite]

One minute Carmack is kissing the consoles arse and the next minute he is flaiming them! Plus Carmack has completely blown off the PC community and had the NERVE to blame AMD and Nvidia for his crap game and now he's blaming the PS3 for Rage's crap performance...(sorry John we have all played Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 and we know what the PS3 can do)! Oh how the mighty Carmack has fallen!

At least his latest game was titled correctly.....and Carmack is feeling the "Rage" from gamers for putting out a game that has severe issues on every platform.

lol at this rate Carmack's next game may be His "Final Doom"! Be a man Carmack and just admit YOU Screwed up and stop blaiming everyone else!

[lazertroy]

Uncharted 3

[R4MBO]

Can't wait for Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception. Now that's a game that will shut Carmack up.

[nondecaf]

Portal 2 from valve because they had problems with the ps3 and it is the second best version.

[SephirothX21]

Portal 2 is no where near as technically ambitious as RAGE. Back to the drawing board.

[tickticktick]

And this has to do with Rage and Carmack how exactly?

[Xalaris]

Because Uncharted 3 is the more technically stunning game that makes Carmack look like a dumbass compared to the capabilities that Naughty Dog have. Not trying to belittle his game, but have you ever seen an ND representative complain about the PS3 specs?

[geddesmond]

LMAO. You got 14 disagrees for typing UC3 LMAO. Now that shows people are butthurt by UC3 LOL.

[_Aarix_]

Haha love how you got well said for saying 2 words.

[InNomeDiDio]

RAGE > Uncharted 3

[psb]

for your own shortcomings as a dev is retarded imho. There are many other developers who's done much better games than RAGE on the PS3, so how is it possible that it's not possible to produce a good product? If your game has issues on a particular version than it's obvious you haven't done justice to your work and have failed as a developer. You should go back to to drawing board, especially after failing to delivery with a game which took years to develop, rather than blaming console X as being not powerful enough.

smh.

[ForROME]

Denying the hardwares frustrations and ignoring they exist is retarded,...imo

[JBaby343]

No one denies or ignores that the PS3 has limitations but blaming that for your game's shortcomings is like a nascar driver blaming his car for him not winning a race. The driver makes the biggest difference.

[Jazz4108]

Seeing that both machines have there issues I think john is close as to say thy both are close. I do feel the 360 could easily handle a game like uncharted as there is nothing special or realistic about it. The seris is great fun but its linear and cartoony. Its seems ps3 has problems with games that use highr physics and more realsitic and ope. Mark my words as the ps3 version of battlefield will have a lot of slow downs and play rough. I do think you will see the 360 will more available memory outshine it. I don't expect n4g too like ms as I know they are mainly sony fans but john knows his crap and when he's says that both machines are close I believe him over n4g.

[Biggest]

But Rage is neither realistic or open so. . .

[Dark_king]

@Jazz4108 Dont bring physics up it makes you look completely ignorant.The processor in the PS3 is far more capable with physics then the 360 CPU.BF3 should actually have better physics on the PS3,should but will not.

[JBaby343]

It's pretty much beyond argument that the CELL is a physics monster. Check youtube for examples. Sure it lacks in other areas but it's not even debatable what kinds of physics ops it can pull-off.

[Dark_king]

@Baby343 Yea the cell is a physics beast.Just find it funny people think the 360 CPU can compete with the PS3 CPU it can't.Did you know the 360 CPU uses anywhere from 15% to near 50% of its power decompressing data.

[stickskills]

Coding genius? Oh, you mad.

[shodaime]

What's with this guy talking about ps3 like this? This guy is going mad

[wenaldy]

You got less respect over and over.. Man, Carmack used to be a coding genius..

[pctrollv4]

u mad john? am a pc gamer, but ill have to agree, uncharted 3 and k3 are better looking than rage and its possible, so for such a coding genius, he fails. He just sounds like a dead box fan to me. A betrayer to the platform tha tput him where he is and now this...bugger off carmack...

[ForROME]

Even Jack Trenton said, the the hardware team and their software team did not communicate during the making of the PS3, SONY understands that they made some poor decisions and devs have expressed their frustration PS4 will not suffer the same issues hopefully

[lorianguy]

Jack Tretton also said that gamesharing was a great thing. Now look where we are.

BTW heres the link of what I just said:
http://www.wired.com/gameli...
(at the bottom)

[Ray186]

I like this one a little better:

Sony announced that players who download games from PlayStation's online shop can share them on up to five other PS3 machines.

If a player logs into his PlayStation 3 account on a friend's system, he can download any game he has already purchased. "You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment," said Tretton. "We want to get the game in as many hands as possible."

"It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'"

http://www.wired.com/gaming...

The good old days.

[THC CELL]

Rage is a. Bigger letdown than duke nukem n sony exclusives show 3 times what rage was

[MasterCornholio]

Lol this guy is pathetic. Everyone hypes him up to be a master at coding but when it comes to the PS3 he completely fails at it. Recently tons of multiplats look the same on both with the PS3 version being better sometimes (ex: Portal 2, Homefront etc). There is no excuse for the ps3 of rage being so bad. He should stop blaming the console and start blaming himself for not knowing how to code for the PS3.

In my opinion.

XperiaRay

[Mr-Dude]

Sure hide behind the consoles...
Even the PC version was bad! I heard nearly every PC gamer moan about Rage... Textures where bad etc..

The game was fun, but i expected more of it!

[Gamer1982]

Thats because of the new texture system they were running they claimed it was so they load faster and look better but of course if it really was better other devs would have been using it by now.

[baldulf]

PCs must also have a tight memory for Carmack.

[Sarobi]

Whats your excuse for the PC version Mr. Carmack?

[christoph203]

problem is carmack can't handle the Cell yet.. nauthy dog have taimed the Cell..

[yesmynameissumo]

I'm sure he's basing that off the tech he built to run on multiple platforms. If he were to make something exclusive the the PS3 tech, I'm sure he'd have a different opinion. Can't hate the guy for speaking off his experience. There are numerous PS3 games that look and play fantastic. Those devs don't seem to have a problem, 1st and 3rd party alike.

[jc48573]

then how does Naughty Dog do it? with magic? what ever Carmack says, it just seems utter BS to me.

[RandomDude655]

Naughty Dog work as a team.
John Carmack is just one man.
It's been implied over and over that Carmack does most of the coding himself, and doesn't delegate as much as he could.

[fashionfreakj86]

Why is he blaming consoles? He did a good job on the consoles, he should be blaming the PC because that's where he F*#*ed up!!! LOL

[lorianguy]

"A bad worksman always blames his tools"

[Pl4sm4]

nice ... gonna remember that one :D

[lorianguy]

He has joined the ranks of Bobby Kotick at the top of the 360 fanboys club.

[baldulf]

They needed a replacement for Gabe Newell.

[lorianguy]

Gabe Newell is like the head of the United Nations equivalent of consoles.

He is unbiased, trys to prevent conflicts between platforms and is an all-round pleasant guy.

He gets more respect from me than any of our world leaders.

[matgrowcott]

I can't say I know anything about programming, I couldn't tell you much about the ins and outs of game development or the advantages of the 360 over the ps3 (or vice versa). Sure, I've read articles and comments on the internet by armchair experts, but nothing practical.

With that said, these are the sorts of comments that developers were making 4 years ago, and almost without exception (Cliffy B, of course), those developers have all changed their tune. The greatest example is Valve.

So I don't think that the issue can be that the PS3 is at fault here, although it'd be stupid to say the PS3 COULDN'T be upgraded.

The issue has to be that the devs just don't want to learn to take advantage of what they've got. Perhaps over the next few years, they'll change their tune as well.

[xX_Altair_Xx]

This guy is STILL speaking; he's just mad RAGE didn't live up to the hype. Now making up excuses for each platform.

[theonlylolking]

He is in rage over RAGE.

I know bad pun.

[rattletop]

his statement echoes what some of the studios have said in the past. almost 2 months ago i read some dev saying developing for ps3 was a pain in the ass.

[xX_Altair_Xx]

It doesn't matter how hard it is to develop; we're 6 years into this gen and this guy is still struggling. We all have to do things out of our comfort zone; can't have everything on our own terms. This guy's answer is to just keep complaining.

[rattletop]

but when they develop a multiplatform game, they will obviously have a comparative analysis. if it was a ps3 exclusive no one compains. why? there is no other platform competing. so when they find 1 platform easier to work with and another a bit more complex they will definitely criticize. for e.g i have used zune and ipod but zune has a few shortcomings, so i prefer ipod. it's upto the companies to make sure they build a user-friendly product.

[cstyle]

You guys are getting hot over nothing. Carmack is just basically telling the truth. PS3 does have tight memory but weve always known that. If you wanna get mad at someone then it should be the one who posted this article. Its just Flame bait. Rage is a great game and runs well on both consoles.

[Chucky2003]

yeah but this didn't stop Naughty Dog ,Guerilla,Santa Monica to create those games with such great graphics,since he started to get attention for his new graphic engine all he did was complain about consoles,and when finally he releases Rage using his new engine,the worse version of the game was on PC

[Raider69]

Yes Rage could probably be better code for the PS3!What i dont understand is the fanboys that are comparing Rage to Uncharted 3!Rage juices much more assets and resources out of the PS3 than Uncharted 3,Rage runs at 60fps on an semi-open environment,Uncharted 3 its a corridor adventure game that runs at 30fps (an not stable)........ .How the hell are some people comparing an asset requirement beast like Rage to UC3,its just out of this world.

[svoulis]

I would agree with you but i am not trying to sound like a fan boy. I love Gears and Halo as much as i love Uncharted and Killzone. The problem is the shortcuts they used across all three platforms to make the "open" Wasteland look so good. Walk up to a wall. notice how blurry it gets, look at any static models in the game (Trust me they are all static) how come you cant shoot a box into particles? Static sky box, Static textures, Static lighting,Static environments (notice you cannot jump on a lot of jump-able surfaces). That is how he achieved 60Hz. The only reason 60Hz is good honestly is if you were capable of playing this game online (and i don't mean racing I'm talking TDM), I'd rather have a better looking and running game going at 30Hz rather than a game with as many flaws as rage has (across all platforms) running at 60Hz

EDIT: About the whole open world and "corridor" environments. No offense sir but have you played any of the Uncharted games, i never felt like i was in a "corridor" environment. The only area that wasn't "corridor" in rage was in fact just the wasteland, everywhere else..was.

[Objective]

Agreed, Rage is technically more demanding.

[pctrollv4]

why? cause it runs at 60 fps streaming textures? COD runs at 60 fps, bf3 beta will run at 60 fps for me, all my pc games run at 60 fps, my witcher 2 runs at 60 fps with uber sampling in it, yet it looks 10 times better. my god man, you do know uncharted 3 is also developed on open gl and not directx. Guess what else uses open gl? thats right, RAGE. So theres no excuse for this game to look like shit. The textures in it are atrocious. Take a look at it, it wont take much of your life time, just a few minutes and look around these MEGATEXTURES.

[svoulis]

To blame a system on a technical level is pretty much putting yourself in harms way. Honestly, a "Technical level" means the power is there he just doesn't know how to tap into it. Now if he only he was humble enough to communicate with companies like Naughty Dog, and Guerrilla MAYBE, JUST MAYBE he'd get some programming incite as to how they got there games to look so good. It has nothing to do with the frame rate what we are noticing has to do with programming. Yes the 360 has a better GPU we all know this, But to say the tri-core processor in the 360 is comparable to The Cell processor is just ridiculous. I mean really Carmack pull your head out of your ass and just say what we want to hear. That you had a problem with the PS3's architecture and it has nothing to do with the system itself.

Taken from an article he was interviewed in

"You have to use a separate tool chain, the debugging is crappier, and all this. The upside of that is, there is more raw performance for computing there than there is on 360."

AKA "We didn't know what the FACK we were doing."

[Whitey2k]

i agree he just suks if he doesnt like the ps3 y dont he just feck off we dont need rage or hes company we have much better Devs like naughty dog Guerrilla games etc etc

[yuval152]

He's just sad that RAGE wasn't as everyone expected,the PS3 is equivalent to the 360 with a better proccesor that covers the RAM problem.

[narutogameking]

Why don't you go back to making PC games John CarWreck? We don't want your games on PS3 anyway.

Good riddance.

[dirtrider]

hut-oh someone needs a tissue!

only on n4g is comments like this one ever posted and receives so many "agrees" just shows the mentality of the fanboys on here.

you know what dude? since you have this attitude, and since most all devs have said this and that about developing on ps3, i wished they would quit making games for it.

then you guys would only have your "precious exclusives" to play and miss out on 90% of all games released.

i hope some dev sees your retarded statement, and agrees with me, and drop the damn ps3, because the sony fanboys don't want your game anyways.

[madjedi]

@dirt

"i hope some dev sees your retarded statement, and agrees with me, and drop the damn ps3, because the sony fanboys don't want your game anyways." Lol good luck with that, they care about money not internet bickering.

It's a flamebait title what the hell do you expect, if it was the 360 that appeared to be slagged off, your fucking xbox fanboys would have done the same damn thing.

At least sony fanboys have a variety of exclusives as well as multiplatform games, btw if your going to call another person's statement retarded. At least learn correct capitalization and use the correct version of word, like devs or drops.

Well bot don't be stupid enough to assume 1 n4g ps3 poster speaks for everyone and if they believe sony exclusives are better than most multiplatform games. Who the hell are you to tell them their opinion is wrong or deserve to be punished for it.

[dirtrider]

get off my nuts madjedi trust me i dont want you you damn droid

[StayStatic]

I would not say "Good riddance" but i agreee he needs to get back on the PC band wagon as that is where he shines and consoles will benifit aswell because of the innovation & tech.

So to complain about the PS3 and PC for different reasons puts me off buying it at all and i await doom 4 with high res textures out the door.

COME ON !!! lol xD

[EVO-OM3GA]

I don't get why users are commenting saying he is being negative he was asked a question and he answered it if your unable to accept is answer then fine but don't comment as if you can do a better job or as if he is crap at his job

But... But... But... Uncharted and Naughty Dog... Is all I see ps3 owners mention you can't compare UC to Rage two different games, ND and iD are too different dev teams it's clear that ND have far more resources at hand and as they are working on only 1 platform are able to get the most out of it. iD has to try to make game for 3 platforms and to try and ensure it is all equal in performance it's difficult to please everybody but Rage is a Great Game.

[svoulis]

I personally won't compare the games on a visual level but more so on a technical level, i agree, ND has way more familiarization on the PS3 for obvious reason, but as stated for him to blame the system rather then himself is taking a dickish approach to a simple answer "We had a hard time with the PS3 because we simply were unprepared for the architecture"

@FatOldMan

It's the way he said it, saying they don't know of anything THEY can do to improve it should've have ended there. Not with blaming the console version(s) he also blamed Nvidia and AMD for the game running like crap on the PC. It's a pattern with him he points the finger the other direction.

[Ducky]

Isn't that what he said?

"we don’t know of anything we can do to improve ps3 performance much..."

then he lists the problems that they're facing, namely, the memmory limit and IO performance of the RSX.

[dirtrider]

but see he didn't answer that question with a statement like this- " the ps3 is god and i love the system, it has no limitations"

if he'd said that this thread would have nothing but praise coming from "that kind" and saying how much they like him and how they like his work, instead he answered it, and he did honestly.

i am pretty sure NO ONE on n4g has anywhere near the programming experience this guy does, but as you can see from "their" comments they think they do.

laughable at best. only on n4g is it this way- ps3 fanboy> all developers out there

[madjedi]

Considering alot of ps3 exclusives still look and play incredibly well, you will forgive us for taking the word of 1st party devs over a pc developer with limited ps3 experience.

Who released a very hyped up game with some ugly pop ins and a significantly more closed world than some of us were led to believe.

Learn grammar already, lazy idiot.

[BuffMordecai]

Very true, people on here go after anybody who says something negative against the ps3, even if its true; no console is perfect. And those exclusives they talk about, while visually stunning, are usually linear, and heavily scripted, while Rage is open world and running at 60 fps.

[SSKILLZ]

this fucking ass hole talks shit and forgets who buys his games........pssshh what a prick.
now i respect Naughty Dog even more

[dirtrider]

grow up jeez. oh and don't buy "his" game ok, i am sure he won't miss your money.

[BlmThug]

PS3 fanboys seem to know more about developing than John Carmack judging from these comments

[Karum]

I wouldn't argue the factual basis of his comments especially after hearing how thins like cross game chat aren't possible due to the PS3's memory but as I've said in my own post, I look at games that have come before RAGE and see how well they run and it makes you wonder, even with the limitations he speaks of why could they not achieve the same level of performance as other devs have on PS3?

Not like it's only PS3 exclusives that achieve it, plenty of multi-plat games do too.

[tarbis]

His game was a mess on PC, what more on PS3?
How can he develop for PS3 when he can't even fix the problems on a platform that he's supposed to be an expert of?

tight memory? poor IO performance? What about PC? Does it have that too that he can't fix it?

[Lookbehind]

John Carmack has "tight memory" but knows dick about"The Cell'

[KillerPwned]

O god Carmack what have you done N4G is going to fucking explode now...

[Karum]

I don't doubt his comments about memory and that being tight and that but something just screams at me that their engine and processes aren't using the PS3 architecture optimally. I mean you look at how the performance of some other PS3 games are, particularly the exclusives and these kinds of comments just seem a little bit of an excuse.

It's not like it's just the PS3 either, the PC version was pretty bad when it launched too and it is the platform that Carmack and his crew would be most familiar with. I can't help thinking they're a bit guilty of dropping the ball here with RAGE.

[kingPoS]

At times N4G seems like a wasteland full of RAGE-ing fans.

[cyclindk]

Just finished RAGE... couldn't believe it was over, felt like I just finished a demo or something.

Waste of time.

[outwar6010]

agreed more ram in ps3 would have been nice so we can cross game chat

[tarbis]

I'm sure PS4 will have more ram. But, before that PSV. *o*

[outwar6010]

that really annoys me! the vita has more ram and is apparently more powerful than my ps3!

[madjedi]

@outwar " that really annoys me! the vita has more ram and is apparently more powerful than my ps3!" Yeah it's also 6-7 yrs newer. -_-

[DigitalAnalog]

Are you suggesting that Vita should withhold RAM simply because it annoys you?

[thespaz]

He should have just made it 30fps like most console games. While 60fps is nice, it's not needed most of the time.

[Heishiro__Mitsurugi]

LOL @ Carmack

[Zephol]

Carmack focus on Doom 4 in ps4

[thehusbo]

Why is the stupid old git talking so much? Tell that to naughty dog. he wud get laughed out the building.

[AllroundGamer]

finished Rage today (PC version with ultra settings config) and even on the ultra setting the game didn't look that great (the textures up close are horrible...) , so that pretty much sums up the programming skills of mr. John Carmack :D

[PixL]

I can say what I know: Rage has tight corridor levels and poor story performance.

[mayberry]

carmac... "the extra horsepower of the Cells will let them transcode it into graphics memory much faster than the 360 and faster than all but the most extreme PCs, but its a pain in the ass to take advantage of it that way."...sounds like laziness to me.

[Mrmagnumman357]

Carmack is following the money trail. He use to be a amazing pc dev that would try to always push the pc to almost impossible limits. But those days are gone

[Mrmagnumman357]

Several things are wrong with this statement but lets start.

1. Why couldn't he get the pc version up to par, a good pc will have around 4 gb ram atleast, so did he just port it to pc without testing anything.

2. Carmack is the biggest hypocrite and contradicts himself all the time, examples- 4 months ago he said that making rage on consoles was a mistake and doom 4 would be pc based, a few days ago he said that he will no longer use pc as the lead. In 2006, 2008, 2011 he said that ps3 had more power then 360, but in 2009 he said that 360 was better because of the gpu.

3. PS3 and 360 both have 512 mb ram, the 360 has 10 more from EDRAM but that is just for AA usually. PS3 has 256 mb ram for gpu and cpu, but a good coder can use it to do the same thing the 360 does.

4. Carmack has been a PC dev all his life yet now he just screws me and all pc gamers over ?

5. Carmack was a amazing dev in the 90's when he made the quake and doom series, but i think its obvious that he is no longer the tech wizard he once was.

Here is the good news for PC gamers like myself. WE now have dice who seems to have taken the place of carmack and crytek, and they seem like they are making BF3 this gen's crysis, also we have the modding community and a lot of devs that still push pc like 4A and Dice

[Optical_Matrix]

He must not have seen the recent Uncharted 3 gameplay of Nathan in the desert.

[Shaman]

You must have forgotten UC3 is as linear as it gets and running at twice lower frame rate. Aka, having TWICE as much resources to spend on visuals. Stop talking crap. Carmack was "God" couple weeks ago, now he says consoles are about equal and he is suddenly an idiot? I suggest you to take a look how other programmers(from ND, SM etc.) threat Carmack on twitter.

[tarbis]

I suggest you take a look on how Rage performs on the platform he's supposed to be an expert of.
For a game that was made by a "God", sure performs like it was made by an amateur. LOL!

[MRMagoo123]

UC is as linear as it gets lol rage is as linear as ff13 was its a sad sad game its basically cod singleplayer with new skins

[capcock]

U seriously think u know better than ID's technical director? fanboys know no limits lol.

[mendicant]

I was thinking the same thing.

I didn't know that N4G had so many programmers; let alone of Carmacks skill level. This place is a riot, I love the sdf, they crap me up.

[nix]

thank you Carmack for the comment, now you may leave the building.

[Bakkies]

Hey Carmack, Killzone 3 says hi.

[3GenGames]

First he's god, and then he disses a system that many people have also said the same thing and people say he's a liar and not that good? Lol, wow.

[hadouken007]

Say that to naughty dog developers.

[oweowe]

After playing/watching UC3, I would rather believe Naughty Dog's comment on PS3
"PS3 still has a lot left in it!"
http://www.qj.net/ps3/news/...
I am sorry John. You need to "Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.", as Great Steve Jobs did.

[IHateYouFanboys]

you guys are unbelievable.

someone made a stupid fanboy like comment on his twitter and he simply responded. he didnt come out and just make the statement for no reason.

people seem to be forgetting that for Rage to even look HALF as good as it does WHILE RUNNING AT 60fps is a work of genius in itself. its twice the framerate of nearly every other GAME, not just first person shooter, this generation. Polyphony, after 5 years of harping on about how important 60fps is, who are fully owned and funded by sony, couldnt even get constant 60fps out of GT5.........i dont think you realise just how much of an achievement 60fps is with these consoles.

[xtreampro]

People seem to think he just makes random comments and posts them on the internet whenever he feels like it. Sony fanboys think 1st party devs never complain about the PS3 but how do they know that?

Employees at ND probably get extremely mad and scream their heads off when programming with the PS3, but they would obviously never talk about it since they're first party.

Sony fanboys/loyalists = The biggest joke in history.

[jjb1981]

The reason why the games look so good on ps3 exclusives is because the developers have SDKs that are specific to ps3 exclusives. Killzone and Uncharted as well as upcoming "The Last Guardian" have or will have the ability for special Anti-Aliasing techniques that are unique to the ps3's 8 processors. I think Sony is holding out on the technology for developers that publish multi-platform. Resistance 3 and many other exclusives look good because Sony allows them to have access to this special playstation technology.

[Evolve]

Yes you right, at least look to Uncharted and Killzone and the other Epic series. gosh, you should know the PS3 SPEC since 2006.

[jacobie74]

is this a ps3 site or what naughty dog this, naughty dog that,cell broad band chip, seven cores. uc3 the best game ever,kill zone 3 best graphics ever i remember they said three years ago that the ps3 was gonna catch the 360 well its three years latter, and they are still in the same spot under the 360. the man straight diss the ps3 like a hand full of other people did. sony suck, they was under powered last gen so the went all out on power and got screwed dont nobody wants to develop for them if you wanted the best system why did you make it so that only your own people can make games case and point that's why 360 have more third parties and ps3 only have the games they make witch don't nobody cares for and its only a handful this is exactly why the ps3 is behind too much muscles nobody wit any brains, oh yea bring on the disagrees i kno they are cumming play station is king yea in japan only

[Silly gameAr]

Well, it can't be a PS3 fansite if there are comments like yours silly. People do need to calm down though.

The flamebait is winning here.

[swinesucker]

You need to learn some proper grammar skills.

[jjb1981]

I bought the sh*t, it's good, phuck it, if you don't like it don't buy it

[xtreampro]

He answered a question honestly and in return he gets bashed for stating facts? If I asked ND some hard technical questions they would probably expose all the PS3's faults but no one ever asks them or they've avoided the questions and spun it in PS3's favour (since they're 1st party).

RAGE looks better than KZ2/3, UC1/2/3, GOW3, R3 and many other PS3 exclusives yet you call him a failure? If RAGE was made by ND and looked like how it does now you Sony loyalists would be praising it like the second coming. John should obviously just lie his teeth off to please the loyalists.

What he said in this article is a fact but obviously you people only want to hear bad things about the 360 and PC (mostly 360). Why is it ok to bash the 360, Wii, 3DS and anything to do with Microsoft or Nintendo including any third party developers but it's not ok to bash the PS3, Sony's first party devs or anything related to Sony as a whole?

John used his new Mega-Textures technology for the first time so forgiving him for the little human errors he made would make sense, but no! the Sony loyalists and their 1st party devs are super beings that never make mistakes.

You hypocrites make me laugh.

[swinesucker]

No, we would not. The game goes down to absurd resolutions and has pop in all over the place. Nobody wants or needs that. The game has a terrible story as have all ID games. They do shooters and nothing but. I also have a beast PC and I don't even plan on getting RAGE until it is 5 bucks. Carmack is a smart has been. He has nothing but coding skills. There is no vision there. He is definitely not Gabe Newell.

Sorry, dude, the performance and overall IQ of any of those games you listed, U3 and KZ3 being prime examples, are just much more polished, detailed, and noteworthy in every aspect. To say Rage looks better than U3 makes you look like a fool but you must be okay with that. You don't see the simple fact that you just appear as another apologist with nothing else to add.

[elshadi]

"RAGE looks better than KZ2/3, UC1/2/3, GOW3, R3 and many other PS3 exclusives"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaa

[MRMagoo123]

Rage is not any where near the best looking game on consoles the pop in is really bad too you turn your camera around and then back again and you see them all loading up again and the worse thing is it will keep doing it even ones right behind you, why the frig do they have to keep loading ??? the game is shit anyway its so linear it made me sad i spent money on it i was thinking it was gonna be a newer borderlands but it was a desert COD instead

[jjb1981]

whateva

[jjb1981]

John Carmack is a legend! He invented this FPS genre! He deserves every right to speak what he feels. I am in game development right now, I know how hard it is. A simple 2D side scroller takes about 1200 lines of code. That's just a simple side scroller with no texture. With repeats of the same level background. He is a genius and forever will be. All you Sony haters and 360 fanboys, come sit in front of an IDE for days and tell me what it was like to make tic tac toe on DOS, then you'll sort of understand the significance of the ID tech engine 5, you freaks!

[V0LT]

Doubtful.. Someone would have done it regardless.

[jacobie74]

don't hate that man hate your sorry system that cant nobody make games for, or they just don't want too at all, so i guess f cliffy b too rite...don't you just love sony fans blind . blind . blind . dumb and blind or blind and dumb witch ever is first

[Platinum_k]

u are an idiot

[ndl1531]

last i checked sony has more first party studios than ms what do they have ONE studio ? sounds like your precious little 360 is the one with no games . and F*ck that deuche bag cliffy. everyone knows hes a ms fanboy just like you . so enjoy your gears 3 until gears 4 comes out oh and you have halo haha when is that out 2013? but you have elmo once apon a monster on your awsome kinect to hold you over right? ms is really bringing the games huh ? sounds to me like your the blind idiot

[danthebios]

hey Carmack,try making a ps3 exclusive,if not it dont matter what you think,shut your mouth and know your role.

[XDF]

Jabroni, it is "Know your Role, and Shut your Mouth"

Next time when you try to be like the Great One, please use his correct catchphrase.

Now go make a left on Jabroni Drive, hang a right on Know your Role Boulevard, and proceed to check in to the Smackdown Hotel for running your mouth about ID and John Carmack

[NarooN]

I see a lot of Sony worshipers in here.

Funny how everyone's talking shit about Carmack and id suddenly, when they probably haven't even play a single id game before, let alone RAGE.

I'd love to know how he's "talking shit" about the PS3 in that article. He didn't even bash the system at all, just telling it like it is, but this is N4G where if you say anything "bad" about good ol' Sony or the PS3, you're instantly a troll and are "wrong". The PS3 isn't some end-all, be-all hardware of doom. Don't blame Carmack or id just because these 6-year old consoles might have difficulty running an engine that was meant for next-gen consoles anyway.

Give me a fucking break. So many morons here it's not even funny.

[Fel08]

Someone sounds desperate for attention.

[tubers]

Carmack has tight schedule hence poor PC performance!

[XDF]

Look at all the RAGE (no pun intended) by PS3 fans here on N4G.

I bet you if Carmack would had said the X360 has poor performance instead of your beloved PS3, then he would no doubt be worship like Kevin Butler.

[sjaakiejj]

Nah, if it was about 360 it would be filled with 360 fans raging about it.

Anyone who makes a statement like the one you just made is no better than the ones he's making it about.

[Jocosta]

Nah, if it was about 360 it would be filled with 360 fans raging about it.

I have to disagree, there would be a few comments but generally not many would care.

[sjaakiejj]

Please don't throw the "N4G should be N4Sony" argument.

It would be the exactly the same as it is now, substituting the usernames and the words Ps3 to 360.

http://n4g.com/news/725072/...
http://n4g.com/news/718102/...

They're just as bad as each other.

[V0LT]

Which is why you should be making PC a priority again.

[bioflex]

There you have it, in your face ps3 fanboys, and this is from the horses own mouth.

[D0UbleF_]

Carmack has a mouth full of 360 ass.
He licks it every day!

[sjaakiejj]

Not trying to nitpick here, but when he says "IO Performance" what is he really talking about? A computer has loads of IO devices, and they can't possibly all be bad?

Quite sure a Ps3 with an SSD wouldn't be considered poor IO performance in regards to hard disks, so I'm guessing he means BluRay? Though that's not really any worse than the speed of 360s DVD, although there's a lot of data to go through so I suppose it would have longer seek times.

[Snowii]

all you xbox fanboys using carmack as a flame(war)thrower is just sad

[frankiebeans]

you guys all act like you made the ps3 or 360 you all need to wake up and smell the coffee. this is the problem with the world now a days everybody is so simple and blind.

[Platinum_k]

Carmack can suck it!

Even worse when people compared him to Hideo Kojima.

He aint no genius!

[jacobie74]

yaaaaaaaay sony fans

[Knightofelemia]

I could careless what this guy has to say about the PS3 I am enjoying Rage on my PS3 just like I am sure soneone else is enjoying Rage on the 360. As long as the game is being played who cares. Gabe Newell was saying shit about the PS3 for the past two years and now he loves the machine. This goon makes a great game on the PS3 and disses the console. If it were me making the game I would be happy the game is getting great reviews and the sales it is getting on any console. Dissing a console hurts the sales of the game and leaves a bad taste for the fans of that paticular console with developers.

[stigmurder]

I'm not gonna hate on Mr. Carmack because from what I've played of it, Rage has been a pretty badass game. But the texture pop-in is just absurd. The game in many ways is great looking, but in many ways looks like it was built on a dated engine. To blame the PS3 hardware for performance issues is crap. Especially when there are such eye-popping games on it that run so smoothly. Just give PS3 and PC gamers a firmware update to fix the glaring issues it has.

[southernbanana]

I like my PS3 and all, but I have to agree with Carmack. The 360 is simply the better of the two platforms. Doesn't mean I like my PS3 any less, but since I own both it is a little easier to see that.

[mendicant]

Agreed.

[i_like_ff7]

LOL ps3 kiddies mad. Derp John Carmack no credibility.

Every single game engine in exsistence today is a descendant of the quake 2 engine. GTFO you noobs.

[shoestring]

Guess them microsoft PR checks are still clearing

[QuantumWake]

I thought it was already established that the PS3 had memory problems due to its split memory architecture? Why are we all bashing Carmack?

I've never seen so much hate for Carmack. In just two days we have now just had THREE articles about Carmack all of them filled with hate. RAGE is a beautiful looking game. Running almost a solid 60FPS with massive environments. But I guess the low-res textures and horrible pop-in just killed it for everyone.

Before RAGE was released, we were all excited for Carmack and his accomplishments with RAGE and his contributions to technology. All of you were happy when he got his Lifetime Achievement Award last year. Now, all that just went down the drain for (judging by most of the comments here and the two other articles) mostly all of you. Despite all of this, I will always look up to Carmack and his contributions to graphics technology.

What a depressing day....

[ndl1531]

god of war 3 - uncharted 2 - uncharted 3 - killzone 2 - killzone 3 - infamous 2 - the last guardian - heavy rain - and many others beg to differ mr carmack . understandable of there were no proof but the games are there in your face . if you dont get the ps3 like some others then yes understandable also but like i said pop in god of war 3 and im sure you will shit your sealf as it is the most stunning game i have seen apart from uncharted 2. please look into my list and shut your mouth.

[earbus]

Yeah carmack really knows his stuff will pick up rage very soon my friends say it runs great on 360,hes really only saying what we knew anyway.

[yewles1]

Uh... duh? That's been established for 6 years going. WHY say this AGAIN? EVERYONE knows this. -_-'

[Guitardr85]

I just played Rage (On the PC so no fanboy comment here), and I have to say that RAGE is a little disappointing. The textures tear and are not fully utilized. I know they are working on patches but come on. This is what we get from the "genius" Carmack? I honestly think Rage is a little (below) average. I can't wait for Skyrim, lol.

[MonopolyRSV]

"Processing wise, the main CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that’s where a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3."

Developers like Naughty Dog and Guerilla Games don't create an engine and then try to split it up on the PS3 after the fact. It's when you design your game from the ground up for PS3's SPUs that the full advantages are realized.

He might not come out and say it like that but the proof is in the pudding.

[Khronikos]

The CPU's are not the same and that is not in debate. Carmack is talking out of his ass trying to make up for all of his negative press. I don't hate the guy but he just needs to shut his mouth. No game of his ever had the vision of a game from the likes of ND but maybe Doom. He is old and he has no clue how to milk the PS3 while also developing for the other systems because it takes too much work, too much sweat and love and he doesn't have this for the PS3 and that is understandable. But come on, the CPU's are like apples and oranges for christ. Get real. The PS3's CPU is simply more powerful when utilized from the ground up and for the right characteristics. He deserves the hate because he cannot shut his fucking mouth.

[Eiffel]

Hmmm lets see.

Take the word of angry fanboys who have no creditability to any thing they say with their ass hairs caught in a twist?

Or

Take the word of one of the industries most brilliant developers whom has had actual hands on experience for years and who stated technical facts to back up his creditability that even Sony them self acknowledge and stated publicly.

Damn, what a hard choice. You all seriously need to wipe your tears and accept out dated hardware, is outdated.

[Jocosta]

They will just keep replying with lists of Ps3 exclusives that supposedly look a million times better than Rage.

[Eiffel]

And to back up against it, all of which are linear to the bone, as well as locked at 30FPS. Speaking on a technical level, what did they expect from consoles this gen that run on less than 1GB of memory. I mean seriously, it doesn't take an engineer to figure out you're getting a shafted experience with such low end hardware.

If fanboys want to whine so bad, they should baww to Sony and Microsoft about the premature limitations they set up.

[Clarence]

He's so brilliant that the PC version of Rage is garbage.
http://www.gameinformer.com...

You don't have to be a genius to see that the " most brilliant developers whom has had actual hands on experience for years and who stated technical facts to back up his creditability" f/ck up.
http://www.vg247.com/2011/1...

Accept that his not as brilliant as you think he's is.

[Eiffel]

LOL! News flash ATI users ALWAYS have issues, Nvidia Master Race ftw. I have heard nothing but complaints from ATI users for years, it's a common occurrence with them. Also note that Id Tech 5 was not just developed under Carmack, he doesn't develop the entire engine by himself, he's director, productions and costs in this day and age require a team. I'd believe the issue surrounding bad drivers, it's AMD and Nvidia we're talking about here, don't forget that so quickly or rather choose to. I have several friends whom are playing it right now, they use Nvidia, no issues.

Also to lay it down a bit farther, not talking about the PC version, it's the the two paper weights that people classify as "next gen", whom find the need to cry that someone with more intelligence and hands on experience stated a fact against their hunk of plastic, it burns them so bad they have to comment to just reassure them self behind a lie. It's pretty sad.

[Khronikos]

And you pay higher prices and have cards that use a lot more watts. AMD drivers have gotten very good lately and the premium Nvidia demands pretty much goes to pay off developers.

And, uh, nobody uses Ati anymore since they are not a company.

Just like those 590s frying like eggs in a pan right? Get real, both sides have problems and as long as people can buy what they want and put it together there will continue to be problems.

[megacowdung]

PS3's and 360's processors are exactly the same. 360 has 512mb of RAM. PS3 has 256mb but it processes things 10x faster than the 360 which makes up for the extra 256mb 360 has. Graphics cards are exactly the same too. Carmack shut the hell up and admit you screwed up.

[elshadi]

ps3 has a split 512Mb
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
http://playstation.about.co...
and no
the cell is much stronger than xbox360 cpu

[Khronikos]

Yeah, Carmack defending the 360 CPU is kinda just wrong. The Cell has so many different but maybe strange features. I am just not sure how you can say they are basically the same. Even he knows better. Gpu different story as it is obvious the 360 has the edge but the EDRAM is a killer cuz it just isn't enough to even do proper 720p with full effects on many games. Both GPUs are pretty much weak sauce. Oh, and uh, we can thank those weak sauce GPUs for frying our goddamn systems as well. Fucking consoles.

[Clarence]

This guy is full of $h!t. He needs to face it. He's not as good as he thinks he is. Coding for the 360 is like coding for a pc. That's what he is use to. He needs to stop bitching, and get on the grind and learn something new.

He couldn't even get Rage right for the pc, and that's what he suppose to be good at.

[mechlord]

hehe..let me get this right...you come up and hype a game saying it ll be the next best thing after bread and butter, spending couple years in the process. then you game flops and you cant upgrade the ps3 version because it is hw challenged? ok. 2 questions: didnt he knew these beforehand? I mean, did he just started on the ps3 the other day? how come he didnt plan for this? everybody out there seems to know how to do it...
and what about the otber platforms?
see, where I come from we have this saying:
when the monkey cant dance, he says the room is spinning

[Zephol]

Ps3: Low memory!!!!

[Pizza]

Poor John, you are a out-dated tech guy.
Go back to school and learn something new.

Don't blame hardware, blame your tech skill.

[WetN00dle69]

LMFAO! Sorry dude but i bet you John has more tech skills than anyone that works for Sony or MS for that matter. SO yeah if its not him then that means its the hardware right??

[SKullDugger]

Thank you!!

[SKullDugger]

Poor pizza guy you own a less powerful console and its 3rd in total sales oh and check out the sale numbers on your great Ps3 only games how they doing huh? Ckeck out total sales for Gears 3 VS Resistance 3 !! Ouch what an ass kicking there huh!! Numbers speak loud, Oh and look at total copies per title sold on each console. Who you gonna blame now.. Ps3 256mb of ram, Xbox 360 512mb of ram do your homework super smart tech guy..

[Gamer3000]

"Ps3 256mb of ram, Xbox 360 512mb of ram do your homework super smart tech guy.. "
no you do you homework
what a troll
http://playstation.about.co...
ps3 has
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
so it's 512mb split into two

you look so stupid by the way
know your stuff dude

[JayD-1K]

@ Gamer300
Thank you!

[Pizza]

Lol, Skull, PS3 only has 256MB ram?

Sorry I own Core i7-2600K o/c to 4gh, 8 GB ram with GTX 570 SLI.

I guess my PC has poor I/O so the texture pop-in and out on my screen.

I mean Rage, not BF3.

[WetN00dle69]

Ahh well. Im loving RAGE! The game is quite awesome! So i could give a rats *** which system he disses. Many of you get very defensive when someone talks bad about your big lump of plastic of choice.

[Organization XII]

Hm..turns out the PS3 is weaker than the Xbox 360..

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

... aaand?...

[pupa]

How long was Carwreck busy coding rage again, So it's must be easy to realize he used old school principles on a hardware technology he does not comprehend or understand. Other developers created new versions of their engines to cater for the PS3, what did Carwreck do? Other developers even now use the PS3 as the lead platform. Why?

Sorry to say Carmack you seems to be a "wreck" and should rather retire to a "wreck' yard and leave the coding to capable individuals that knows there are real and physical differences between all platforms and learn how to cater for those differences. Others did it, why couldn't You.

As for those monkeys defending Carwreck saying that he just expressed a factual opinion, yes he did, but the PS3 limitations was a known fact since forever, but the coding "genius" failed where others succeeded. Also you idiots failed to realize that Carmack made these comments in response to tweeters questions about the under-performing and faulty cum buggy Rage game. So he used these comments as defacto excuse as to the reasons why the game's coding is substandard. In my books that is trying to lay the blame elsewhere. Idiots' Just like Carmack you cannot even realize that simple fact.

Then there are the PC version issues all you idiot's fail to respond to, is that also due to the the PS3's hardware issues or rather related to the expertise of Carwreck and iD?

[Pizza]

Pupa, that is what I originally wanted to say.

John is a PC guy, he loves 360 is because 360 is like ripped PC.

He just does not understand the strength.

He was comparing PS3 and 360 on the old-school concept of PC.

[Enigma_2099]

Sounds like he was paid to make the 360 the lead platform or something...

[Trekster_Gamer]

As much as I am enjoying RAGE Carmack is not the king anymore, nor has he been for a long while. He is the Father of FPS and we are gretful for all he has brought.

Rage to me is AWESOME looking "FROM A DISTANCE". get up close and the textures are downright ugly. I came across a microscope in the game that looked so ugly it could have easily been last generation consoles FPS games. He can say what he want's about the hardware but many many MANY other games look better up close!

That being said the saving grace is the gameplay in RAGE as it is really fun.

[SergeantVodka]

I'm guessing first party developers like ND should be able to make better looking games than iD seeing as they work exclusively with the PS3, but there is still no excuse for how poorly RAGE actually runs. It succeeds in being sub par on all platforms not just PS3. Still a good game, shame that it was let down a tad. Hope they fix it soon.

[i_like_ff7]

Lmao the ignorance of gamers in here.

[Adolph Fitler]

All these "old" developers that made great games back in the days when I was at the end of my teens & playing 16bit machines like genesis/MD & SNES, are all butt hurt due to there failure to adapt like other better developers.

The reason these guys were the best in the 1st place is because of the lack of western competition....most of the excellent games & pretty much all the great console games came from either 1st parties, or Japanese 3rd party developers. It's only in the last 10-12 years that western developers have come into there own & have massive ammounts of quality emplyees in near every western country.

Guys like Carmack are dinosaurs that although have undeniable talent for games development....they are guys that struggle to move away from there pc roots.....I mean even then thry screw up, as Rage released with more problems on pc then both PS3 & 360.
It's also blatently obvious that he keeps doing this to solidify MS's stronghold in the U.S. & grow it in other western countries....It is only human for him to do this. I'm guessing he is either American himself or is based in the states, so patriotism is a given for a U.S. (western) console maunfacturer, as MS are the ONLY U.S. manufacturer of consoles to be successful in any way. Every other U.S. console has been smashed into submission by the Japanese giants that have always dominated. Now, as I said, all them years ago there were not many western developers around, & even less that churned out quality games....so now the shoe is on the other foot in terms of software, so it is the next evolution for western developers to root for & support heavily a machine made at home....

And beyond the patriotism, there is also the huge communication barrier between 3rd party developers & a giant Japanese based company...and although many may write that off, it is a real problem, as 3rd parties have to have things communicated through interpreters, which more often than not does not get messages through clearly & concisely...so all big decisions being made at HQ in Japan means problems. Also if you read what 3rd party developers had to go through to make a game on a Sega or Ninty console back in the 8 & 16 bit days you will wonder how or why any western developers bothered...it was made nearly impossible both finacially & creatively, & if you don't believe me, read up on what EA done back in these days, when they were virtually forced to use there inhouse technical people (only 2) to build there own Genesis system that ran it's games. It is an unbelievable story that actually made me respect EA a lot more than any other publisher/developer there size. So with that in mind, Sony obviously knocked down a lot of walls with PS1, & it's huge risks to make cd the standard console format & therefore lowering production costs for developers all around the world due to the minimal licensing fee's compared to the comically over the top ripping off both Ninty & Sega were guilty of (Ninty even moreso than Sega).....so, I'm not sure what kind of fees Ninty & Sony charge now, but even if they are all similar, if more console manufacturers are U.S. owned, it means at least that money stays local, & if they charge far less, then it's benificial in more ways than one to lower game production costs.

And to go with patriotism, the money factor...the money that MS makes, mostly stays in America, whereas Nintendo & Sony's money mostly stays in Jpn.

[maxmill]

RAGE is boss, but he is full of shit

[for we are many]

I do not think that some delusional, brand-loyal, Sony Fanboy kiddies know the specifics on hardware and game development more than Carmack who spent his life developing and coding games.

It is an obvious fact at this stage that the majority of multiplatform games look and perform better on 360 than on ps3, and the graphics in Rage is not only at least on par with Uncharted 3(an exclusive), but also running at 60 FPS, which is also the case in Forza 4, and in fact, I believe that if ps3-fanboy's most coveted game uncharted, is ported to 360, it would, unsurprisingly maybe, look and/or perform better.

[KratosWitAGun]

I wonder how many discs the game would take up? haha

[50Terabytespersec]

Sad that all you young , tech addicted , neurotic socially retarded gamers, with not social skills and political active contribution to our economic situation , are good for is babbling over gaming graphics and tech you'll never ever understand both on a financial level or technical.
Basically. TIMES HAVE CHANGED.. we seriously need to all get out and exercise and learn about culture. Staying home is causing neurotic behavior on this site..causing people to cower and play games and whine ,while Jobs dissapear because we demand technologies growth,this growth that soon will take jobs from us!!
Stop and wake up..

Carmack is a genius but did he have the connections,resources and funding to make A PS3 exclusive??
NO! Sony has its first parties!!! wrapped up...
Why do you complain or why do I.?? over this stuff?
.Because we are all addicted to passive entertainment that robs us of our real lives and purpose on earth..We need to get out and get laid..LMAO or at least kiss a person...An yes!.I have driven a dirt bike and mountain bikes through mountains and waste land like areas in baja, california,utah..etc... in real life, not in a fking video game,,but real with chicks to talk to,have you???

[All3Consoles]

I can respect one mans opinion. But here is mine. When I see devs create games like Uncharted, God of War and Killzone for example, then this guys opinion seems invalid. If other devs can utilize the ps3 to create stunning games like I mentioned then why can't he?! The only answer to that can be that he isn't capable of doing so. So therefore he isn't the "coding genius" like some of u say. I've seen Rage and honestly that game isn't worth the hype. Not even close.

[QuantumWake]

Don't you find that rather disrespectful to other developers like id? Each game is utilizing the hardware in different ways. Why do you have to go out of your way and list a couple of games that have no relation to RAGE whatsoever? How come you can't just leave those games out of it and just accept the fact that they're different yet amazing in their own particular way?

[Bolts]

The PC is "not the lead platform"
The PS3 have poor I.O performance.

STFU up Carmack. You're a has been, a relic. It takes a special kind of fail to spend 5 years developing an OpenGL game only to ship it with the worst texture resolution in decades. Seriously there are low res textures and terrible lighting in Rage that I haven't seen since the late 90s.

Carmack failed, The Tech 5 engine is shit.

[danthebios]

Ps3 sales are on the rise and all of a sudden this?!MS got scared i guess.

[Black_ice1983]

I'm not buying this BS from the technical director by any means, if u can't code properly just admit it rather than complaining about the limitations...do not tarnish the image of Id software.

[OooHJohnny]

Translation : "Don't buy the PS3 version".

OK John, I won't buy your game... but since I only own a PS3... ROFLMAO!

[kobe8ph]

The asshole has got to shut the fuck up. I ain't buying your games. Almost did. Glad I didn't.

[hot111]

PS3 architecture is shit,news at 11!!!

Rage has its problems(pop-up) but when it looks great not even Uncharted 3 can match it(at 30 fps).
That tells a lot about Carmack coding skills...

[Mr_Luke]

I think that everyone knows what Carmack thinks about thePS3. I don't know why this is among the news even.... usually news are about somethig... "new"? =P

[Tzuno]

Dagger on the heart LOL

[galmi]

"Poor, poor John. So mad his overhyped game failed.

John Carmack is no longer allowed to talk about technology. The textures and lighting in Rage are so half-baked they can't compare to what we're used to by now.

Hey John, I've got a serious question. Why is it the best looking games out there right now are PS3 exclusives? Are you mad that Uncharted 3 and Killzone 3 are gonna massacre Rage when the "best graphics" awards are handed out?

John Carmack has no credibility and hasn't made a good game since the 90's.

Raging pop-ups, fake lighting, and a very closed sub-HD "open world" are what this guy is all about. Smoke and mirrors is all, but you aren't fooling true techheads. Carmack, you're over."

How can you even say that, killzone 3 and uncharted 3 are not even sub open-world games, they are "super closed world games" and that is why they look good just the way gears of war looks good too cuz its not an o,pen-world game. Sometimes I just cant believe pple and how they think. This guy knows more about the consoles and pc more than any of you here and will keep knowing better, so just admit it for what it is.

[EazyC]

PS3 gamers=pissed

Not me though.

[paddystan]

He has no rights to talk about any technology these days. The PC is right now the strongest gaming plattform and I was letdowned by how bad Rage looks on PC, especially the textures. Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, Gears of War 3 and Battlefield 3 looks way better than Rage in both terms of textures and graphics.

[MRMagoo123]

I feel really let down by this game myself, i thought it was something like borderlands all open and fun but i played it till the end and its more like post apocalyptic COD, its all straight lines and the maps remind me of the other big hyped let down ff13 corridor after corridor. IMO this guy can hold his tongue till his games best or even come close to far better games such as UC1 and 2. In all honesty RAGE was a huge let down after i got soooo excited for it.

[Super_ike]

honestly carmack....you need to shut up and make better games, you make sound like you are the GOD of games just because your team made DOOM, kmt!

[seanoc]

I've played Rage for three hours on 360 and for over 20 hours on PS3. Both platforms looked great, and neither gave me any issues, aside for one moment on PS3 when the sound files got corrupted. Thankfully I had other saves to jump back on to.

The PC version is clearly broken for many, but there's no need to attack the console versions. They run as well, if not better than most games this generation.

[Daoshai]

Look at all the hurt fanboys, wow.

Carmack knows more about hardware than all of you, yet you defend like you all have masters in computer science and have 20 years of experience to back it up.

Sorry, you don't.

P.S. Defending a piece of hardware like its your mother is pathetic.

[rlm41]

I agree the number of people butthurt in this post is staggering. Why do you's feel like you have a 'duty' to defend an electronic toy? Are you getting paid by Sony?

John Carmack's opinion is his.. You don't have to agree, but you shouldn't talk unless you have experience and knowledge in the industry yourself. Also calling him names and his software 'shit' and not buying it even if it is a great game, because he has a certain problem with PS3. That is really childish. This site is turning into a group of whiny babies in my opinion. PS3 fans real nice name your making for yourselves :S

[BabyTownFrolics]

ahhh n4g the place where sony fanboys come to wank each other off, did someone replace the lube with sand? sounds like a lot off hurt going down in this circle jerk.

so says my one bubble

[lumley666]

dont be an idiot, ur coment only proves that more people on here actually knw wat there talking about, u sound like the only *** hurt one in here

[kevnb]

most people on here haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about.

[lumley666]

well i wont deny that lol the fanboys are the worst, just dont class every1 as tht just beacause of an opinion, i love sony and ps3 but i dont dis anything without a valid reason, tho i do agree ht some on here are idiots

[lumley666]

as much as i respect carmack if he spent as much time learning how to code games on ps3 instead of dissing ps3 his games wud look half decent, naughty dog's games have proved arguments like this are worthless

iv played rage and not only is the graphics not that great the gameplay is no better, as great as his older games have been hes becoming less rellevent as each gen passes

[kevnb]

naughty dogs games are coded around the limitations, most of the reason uncharted games look good is because of the art style. The texture streaming used in rage isnt the sort of thing the ps3 is good at, especially at 60 fps.

[lumley666]

ye you cud be right about that, i dont knw much about the tech side of a console, reguardless of any of tht theres no denying ps3 has some fantastic graphics on offer

[kevnb]

carmack, you are quickly becoming a pr nightmare. You answer these questions and most readers dont even understand what you are saying. Theyll just point out some ps3 game they think looks good.

[Adolph Fitler]

I like all these dick riders that are coming up with the constant, "oooh, PS3 fanboys will come up with anything to defend there console"....Sorry, but you are the fanboys....I mean the mere fact you are labelling these people Sony fanboys means you are aligned with "the other side".

I mean as proof, some wank came up with the arguement that, "thats why nearly all multiplatform games look & run better on the 360"...sorry dumbass, but think you need to invest in some "new" games made after 2008....stop by from the fanboy thrift store...I know your cheap, but if your gonna make missinformed estimations based off a small percentage of games from 2007-2008, then keep your head up your butt.....because in fact most multiplats even back then were either equal on both platforms, or a small percentage of games ran or/and looked better on one or the other......then with that small number in consideration, 360 had a barely worth mentioning few smidgen more that had the performance edge in there favor......then take into account that the average player would battle to distinguish a difference.....
Then this same moron went on to say, "duh, if Unchartered 2 was made for the 360, it would probably perform better than on PS3".

I mean what a genius....maybe if he had programmed it, it would have looked at least doubly as beautiful & ran at 120fps on 360.
I can type crap too, "if the Gears of War series was made for PS3 it would probably perform better, & would have ran at 60fps instead of only 30fps as it did on 360, have improved controls, waaaay better graphics & all three would fit on one blu ray". See, the only difference is that I ended mine off with one simple, undeniable fact.....because Blu Ray can hold more information due to it's larger capacity. Whereas, the stupidity he relayed from his simpleton brain onto here, were mere dillusional fanboy dribble... See how I fail to distinguish his preferred insane console preference....that is because labelling these clowns one way or the other makes little difference in the grand scheme of things, as they are all exactly alike....fanboys, are fanboys, regardless of the badge they worship.

The fact is, unless were a developer or some kind of genius hardware designer, then none of us know which console is the most powerful in the galaxy.....the fact is the PC has the edge on consoles in most all regards & always will (except for in the fun department for me, personally).....consoles will always be behind pc in tech & specs, so therefore all us console people need to chill, love what we got, be happy with it & realize that if you argue over this crap, you are wasting valuable game playing time, so your beloved console can't be too great if you prefer typing your useless opinions on a site, over some Gears 3, or Resistance 3, etc, etc.

[Adolph Fitler]

I mean, we all should know by now that both 360 & PS3 are near identical in power & performance going off multiplats for the past 3 years or so....the fact is that both have there advantages & diss-advantages, both are delivering us the highest number of most quality laden games we've ever experienced.......and that in this fanboy war there is only losers & losers, regardless of brand affililiations......The fact is the only real winner is me, as I own both machines....and like millions of others like me.......we ain't got no reason to bitch, moan & jealously rant about what another ones got that could be better on the other, or try act like we know what we are talking about in the specs departmet.....all I know is that I have access to both machines games through the freedom of choice....and although if honest, I do favor my PS3 for personal reasons, like there 1st party games & comfort of controller, but I gotta lotta love for my 360 & respect all those that do...and know that plenty of gamers are in my situation, as well as many are the same, only there preferred machine is the other way around.

If you don't enjoy your machines & feel defending it on the internet is how you get your rocks off from it, then give the damn machine to a relative that will appreciate it the way meant, get some typing lessons & hang out on here defending your yound nephews hand me down console.

[lionelglitchy]

blah blah blah who gives a shit anyway fact is both consoles are past their sell by date ms and sony keep adding crap features to drag out the shelf life to keep the profits rolling in.when i bought my 360 i got it for games not to use it for facebook/twitter/netfux/kinnec t or any ov that crap.my son has a ps3 and that is the same,apart from some decent looking 1st party games and i mean a handfull for each console most games look average at best and aren't even true hd.So the sooner we get upgrades the better i for one am following the wii u[yeah shitty name i know] because game developers have hit the wall with current gen but most ov them won't say anything against console a or console b because ov fanboy grief and pissing of MS or Sony,so when a dev dose put his head above the wall we shouldn't shout him down because it might force some new tech through

[wynams]

Carmack should have worried less about the PS3 version and gave the people who made him millions a worthy game (yes, I am talking about the PC version).

I know I lost some respect for iD

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Yeah PS3 Fanboys are definitely the loudest , most obnoxious and the winiest, as well as veeeerrry annoying.

Other than that it is quite pathetic he couldn't get the most out of the PS3 being out nearly 5 years, true it is multiplat all 3 need major attention. But complaining about the PS3 post launch is very pathetic if this guys such a genius he would know what he was doin with the PS3.

[kevnb]

depends, ps3 gamers have alot of pride for whatever reason. PC gamers like to complain about every little thing, to the point where something console gamers would think is good would be completely crap to them.

[hot111]

Some people here are questioning Carmack coding skills?!
hahaha

"ahhh n4g the place where sony fanboys come to wank each other off, did someone replace the lube with sand?"

I blame Carmack.

[danthebios]

look at all the disagree,guess the pc fanboys & xbox fanboys are joining forces...or should i refer them as MS fanboys haha

[ATi_Elite]

One minute Carmack is kissing the consoles arse and the next minute he is flaiming them! Plus Carmack has completely blown off the PC community and had the NERVE to blame AMD and Nvidia for his crap game and now he's blaming the PS3 for Rage's crap performance...(sorry John we have all played Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 and we know what the PS3 can do)! Oh how the mighty Carmack has fallen!

At least his latest game was titled correctly.....and Carmack is feeling the "Rage" from gamers for putting out a game that has severe issues on every platform.

lol at this rate Carmack's next game may be His "Final Doom"! Be a man Carmack and just admit YOU Screwed up and stop blaiming everyone else!

[FunkMcnasty]

... but I just had to read the comments cuz I knew they would be hilarious! And are they ever! hahaha! I may need to get the popcorn ready for the next 3-4 pages of crying.

The one thing i've noticed about N4G? The majority of it's users all seem to "know" more about game building and console development than REAL game developers (not just kids that play one on the internet)

..bunch of tools.