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Valve talk Source Engine 2

Source Engine 2 is likely to arrive eventually, but it’s not top priority, it seems: Chet Faliszek explains why Valve don’t want to replace the tech that’s powered all their games since Half-Life 2.

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denero12922d ago

to kind of sum up the whole article

Question: Why have you not yet moved on to source engine 2
Valve: if it ain't broke don't fix it

meetajhu2922d ago

The Micheal Abrash project can't w8!

inveni02922d ago

All I know is that Half Life 2 (all episodes) and Portal look just fine to me. They run smoothly, and the gameplay and stories are fantastic. I'd rather people put out a great game on an older engine than put all their dev time into something pretty *cough*Carmack*cough* and not deliver a game worth playing.

da_2pacalypse2922d ago

@inveni0 I wouldn't go that far dude... Carmack has made some pretty awesome games.... The problem with rage is the fact that the story is boring and your character is basically an errand boy... This has nothing to do with the mechanics of the game which are very very fun.

Anyways, I don't expect valve to make a new engine until they're ready to release HL3.

Saladfax2922d ago

...which, in horribly depressing fashion, probably won't occur until after this 2pacalypse you refer to, which I assume is some kind of reckoning based around the second coming of Tupac Shakur.

AngryTypingGuy2922d ago

Whatever Valve...just give us the next installment of Half-Life already! WTF?!

DeadlyFire2921d ago

HL3 = Source Engine 2. Don't know if it will be new engine or patched through source, but it will be labeled as on Source Engine 2.0 very likely.

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turgore2922d ago

more like
"We're lazy."

Clearly this engine can't compete with UE3, Forstbite 2 or Cryengine 3.

Pandamobile2922d ago

I really don't think valve cares about competing with the cryengine or frostbite 2

Jormungandr2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

in what way cant it?

People have been brainwashed to believe a new version has to replace the old version for it to get better. I mean that's the way its always been done right?

But the truth is that the current source engine is already more like Source 4 than Source 1 or 2. So little of the original is left.

That's the benefit of modular design. If everything is a module then you simply create an updated module and drop it in with the rest of the modules. Everything from mapping to graphics to audio can be upgraded in this fashion. And there is no reason the result can't keep pace with modern techniques. There is no reason at all the current source engine cant have Tessellation and MLAA and hardware physics and larger more complex maps and tighter internet integration and... so on and so forth.

Seriously... get the original Half-Life 2 off Steam... its not the same game it was at release. If you already have it then just run an update. The engine it uses is now the newer source engine used in Portal 2. The graphics look mostly the same because the textures and models haven't been updated... but there are HDR effects in Half Life 2 now that no one had even thought up at Half Life 2's release.

Why does source have to be completely replaced for graphics to get better? Clearly it already is better and it's still Source. Just not the same Source.

Redgehammer2922d ago

Clearly someone doesn't understand that Valve is in its own category of awesome.

gamingdroid2922d ago

I never once played a game and said, "OH MY GOD! X ENGINE IS AWESOME!!!"

It has always been, "OH MY GOD, this GAME is awesome!"

Most of the time, it is because of the game play with a dash of interesting story and art style.

Sarcasm2922d ago

"in what way cant it?"

Destructible environments?
Dynamic sounds? (BC2, BF3)
Photo realistic lighting?
Tessellation?
DX11 API?

The source engine is still good and runs very well. The physics are still great as well. But there's no denying in some aspects it looks a bit dated.

However I'm no engineer, so I don't see how else they can improve beyond that of other engines. And maybe they're right, they probably don't NEED to.

Big_Dom2922d ago

In terms of fancy shaders, no it can't. Physics and all the rest, yes. Source was well ahead of it's time. It's still impressive even today. What holds it back is that it's looking a bit flat and rough around the edges as far as the kind of visuals it can achieve.

I really wish Valve would just shut up and release episode 3 before it turns into a sham a'la DNF. I've given up on seeing Half Life 3 any time this century.

Ducky2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

This is the DearEsther mod, in source engine.
http://www.littlelostpoly.c...
(there's more screenshots if you snoop around the site)

Valve isn't the dev you go to if you want cutting-edge technological eyecandy. They rely more on art style rather than pushing polygons.
... but that doesn't mean their engine is a slacker.

Saladfax2922d ago

They also always do very well with aesthetics. It doesn't matter how many polygons the game pushes, a well-designed game bleeds narrative from most everything the player looks at.

morganfell2922d ago

Which was better, Crysis 2 or Portal 2?

@turgore

Clearly Crytek, EA, and Epic can't compete with Valve for making an engrossing game.

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StraightPath2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

Source engine is dated last i saw it was Portal 2, still has impressive water, lighting and physics but i think dated in terms of todays engine. Bring on Source engine 2 with Half Life 3 play Portal 2 and see how old is looking that engine.

_Aarix_2918d ago (Edited 2918d ago )

Who cares.Theyre still fun as hell and that is all that matters in a game. Graphics arent fun.

BinaryMind2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

Source Engine 2 will arrive when Half-Life 3 is released. I.E. 5 to 10 years from now aka "When it's done."

cannon88002922d ago

Zeno Clash was the weirdest game I have ever played. Look into it guys, it's really weird.

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Pootangpie2922d ago

however I doubt this engine will be able to work on consoles

denero12922d ago

I actually agree it is time for an upgrade seeing as it was back in 2004 but success can be a double edged sword if your doing so good using the same setup you feel content ala call of duty -_- no major updates just minor fixes and tweaks

Letros2922d ago

Current source engine is far more advanced than source of 2004

theonlylolking2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

They should use the source engine 2 for Portal 3

BinaryMind2922d ago

I would honestly be happy with a new art-style, even if we can't get a new engine. I'm tired of playing HL2: Zombie Edition or HL2: Portal 2.

Droid Control2922d ago

I think they can get away with it on current gen consoles, but they really need to replace it for the 720 and PS4.

Will still be ok for Wii U though.

Ayepecks2922d ago

I don't think the author really understood what Faliszek was saying. He was saying that Valve continuously updates the Source engine, and at some point they'll update it so much that it'll be Source 2. Not that they're working on an entirely new engine. They'll just overhaul Source significantly.

His exact quote: “We just update it, not just replace it,” ... “[at] some point we may say there’s Source 2 or whatever, but really for us there’s been a pretty easy way to keep it and understand the tools.”

WhiteLightning2922d ago

It's part of the reason why I think we havent seen HL3 yet, if it is going to be Half life 3 instead of Episode 3 then I think Valve would want to show the SE2 off with Gordons next adventure.....it would draw in even more attention from console owners since it would be showing off the next HL

jdktech20102922d ago

You've gotta think they're working towards a full blown HL3 at this point...even for Valve time, this seems like forever without even mentioning it exists

torchic2922d ago

I agree with jdktech2010. I just don't want to believe that they aren't working on Half Life 3. I mean, what else is there in the pipeline? DOTA 2 is rolling out soon, same with Global Offensive, Portal 2 was release just this April. they just have to be working on that game.