DICE: Console players 'aren't getting less Battlefield 3'

DICE producer Patrick Liu has moved to assure players of the console versions of Battlefield 3 that they won't be getting less off a game than their PC counterparts.

[-Alpha]

Yes, they are

No use denying/spinning it, most don't even care anyway

[dangert12]

Looks at player count on PC O_O
looks at player count on console O_O
ah I love It when people put 2+2 together and it = 9

[evrfighter]

oh wow what's bringin on the blatant lies?

[lociefer]

i wont lie ,the 64 player count is very tempting , when the beta starts im gonna see if my video card can handle the game, if not, then its ps3

[BattleAxe]

^^^

Its a tough world out there, I guess you just gotta do what you gotta do....

[lastdual]

Yeah, they're just trying to spin it in a positive way.

Saying "console gamers aren't getting less" is effectively the same as saying "PC games aren't getting more", but you won't hear Dice say the later...

Dice's PR people are starting to sound like politicians :)

[morganfell]

I have reserved retail versions for both the PC and the PS3. The PC will be getting the more advanced version from a technical standpoint. There is absolutely zero argument in that regard. The PC version will also see mods that just will not be possible on any other platform.

On the other hand, the community structure and friends interaction offered by consoles is unequaled by any PC system, be it Steam or otherwise.

In the beginning Dice went out boldly talking up the PC version in a very aggressive manner. And not with out cause. It is nothing short of phenomenal. We have been treated to a visual feast on the PC that outclasses anything so far with the exception perhaps of Arma 3 which will not be out until next year.

However, in the midst of rightful bragging over the 'no argument PC version', some of the EA staff and development team overstepped the boundaries of common sense. And by common sense I mean the common sense that controls marketing and prevents demographic alienation.

Some members of EA found it necessary to not only state the obvious technical advantage of the PC version but in the process, attack the console versions of their own game. Seriously, who does that in their right mind? It is one thing to go after a competitor, but it is ludicrous to state in so many words, "If you get the console version you are getting a sub-par experience" And that is basically what they did.

There is stating the console versions will not offer the same performance and then there saying, "The console version is far below what we are doing on the PC." It hasn't been PC sales that have kept EA where they are. And apparently some people at EA have now remembered this fact.

The idea of marketing is to increase interest and promote sales. Not indicate to potential buyers that their platform of choice is getting less than another platform...even if that is the truth. And not to indicate the facts in a delivery method that some times approached rudeness.

Some may state EA were being honest. But if you go back and look at the manner in which that honesty was related, on several occasions it does almost seem like some of the remarks were from Activision. All EA need do is look at what generates most of their sales to realize they erred.

[Ducky]

^ "The PC version will also see mods that just will not be possible on any other platform."

Actually, we don't know if there'll be mod support.

If EA hogs the server files like they did with BC2, then it's highly unlikely that we'll get mods.

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"On the other hand, the community structure and friends interaction offered by consoles is unequaled by any PC system, be it Steam or otherwise."

How so? You have a community structure on PC that is always online and has more features than either console's online.

[life doomer]

I think a lot of people do care, it's just that there's nothing to do about it.

[JsonHenry]

Well, if you don't like it get it for PC. No one making you buy it for a console if you think you are getting less for your money.

[UltimateIdiot911]

Exactly what I did. I hate Origin but I'm going to put up with it as it does deserve a shot at becoming something more like Steam.

Steam wasn't perfect Day 1 either.

[trenso1]

So you expect people who only have a console to go out and buy a $300-$1200 or whatever the cost a pc rig is just to play this one game? It's unethical and I know how much better 64 players can be but I want to have fun, and I definitely won't have fun spending that much on a rig for one game

[Letros]

Unethical...lmao, if it's coming down to you being able to afford a $600 PC, you might have bigger issues in life than someone being unethical.

[DeadIIIRed]

@Letros if you think it's normal to spend >$300 to get 12 more players and one 64 player mode then you've got issues

[TheFirstClassic]

I'm getting it for ps3 and I admit that it is the lesser version. It may still be a great game, but the pc version is still better, no matter how you sugarcoat it.

[gogospeedracer]

People, the consoles are underpowered. Sure it will be a little less but that is what you pay for. If you want to fork over $1,500+ for a computer to play the 'Pro' version then that is your choice. I'll play on the consoles as that is 'my way to game.'

[kennyboy]

consoles are underpowered, maybe for this developer but if pc is so powerful i would really wonder why no ps3 exclusives are on pc not even gengi and please dont use the sony owns the titles excuse the games are only possible on ps3

[gogospeedracer]

Kennyboy, you know better than this right?
If you're not, then you don't know anything about these systems, computers or specs!

[Ducky]

^ He's made that comments many times before.

It's a duplicate account anyways. If he wants to believe that console exclusives are only exclusive because they can't run on PC, then more power to him.

[Jobesy]

@ kennyboy, I wonder how ps3 games are made? Hmmm, they must be made on a ps3 right?

[StoneyYoshi]

700 dollars and i have better than the recommended settings for my pc. i dont understand why people go over the top with their numbers when it comes to something they don't know. I mean you sure can spend 1500 plus to buy a pc to run it if you are going to buy a gaming rig from dell, when my pc is probably alot better than anything dell has to offer right now.

[Legion]

@kennyboy

I am sorry but that has got to be the most uninformed thing I have read in a long time. That is where you get with intuitive thought versus thinking about how something really works with a little bit of logic thrown in.

[Legion]

@Kennyboy I am assuming you meant to post this on here instead of PM me? Let me help you out.

"kennyboy4h ago Block
so you tell me why arent ps3 exclusives on ps3
not even one not even gengi if pc was so many leagues more powerful than ps3 then theres no reason of why a multiplat version of any ps3 exclusive could be made for pc also, the title shouldnt take a hit at all should it since pc is a gazillion times more powerful than ps3 matter o fact it should look way better, pc is no competitor of ps3 why cant pc play ps3 games, i mean theres not even a ps3 emulator whats wrong, i got several disagrees and no agrees, but really this is n4g the agree disagree system is always in favor of pc fans this is a fact since what is seen everytime a cod article comes up on this site any support of cod gets disagreed and any trashing of cod gets agrees on this site, so right people get disagreed and wrong people get agreed with on n4g but my point is right no matter how many agrees you get and how many disagrees i get"

I already supplied him with some info to help him understand. Anyone else speak kennyboys language and wants to try explaining? Thanks.

[Legion]

Anyone got a way to explain to him simple logic? Here is his PM to me again. Not sure how deep his brainwashing is? He seems to think exclusive means it can't be made to play on any other system.

"kennyboy21m ago Block
Re: so you tell me why arent ps3 exclusives on ps3
well ill just believe it when i see it as of now all pc games are mostly being ported to ps3 and 360 even your beloved crysis and witcher 2 not one of ps3s exclusives are on pc theres no way a pc is similar enough to run the same thing as ps3, pc makes ps3 games the same way pc makes movies, meaning they design movies they dont run the visuals that the movies are putting up there pc can handle any game on consoles, as in multiplatform games yes, and after nearly 5 years theres no ps3 emulator, i mean as far as i just heard they have xbox 360 games supposedly running on ps3, but not gears 3, sonys not even the owner of all the ps3 exclusives so that excuse is void, your crazy if you think sony would fork up that much cash to secure exclusives from a platform that ps3 is not only not in competition with but supposed to be 20 times more powerful than or a magnitude more powerful than it theres nothing to loose then"

[TheGameFoxJTV]

Dude, I just built a new PC for BF3 and it didn't cost but around 700

[Iroquois_Pliskin]

yep, we are DICE. But look we arent mad at you! DICE is doing a great job on PS3/360, i think they deserve every penny that i will spend on BF3!

[Combo]

You know you're lying

[Ramses3]

Yeah, they get just as much (tpught bubble: not really, the player count is halved and the maps are smaller and the graphics arnt as impressive and...)

[ginsunuva]

Lol the player countis actually less than halved. It's 3/8'ed. :)

[3GenGames]

I know that's how BF has been [Been a 1942 player since it dropped and also every game but BF2 because I don't have an amazing PC] but I don't really like it. I like the 12 on 12, you can make it personal with some people. Plus, 15+ snipers in one map would be stupid, no matter what size.

Consoles aren't getting less BF3, as player count!=Greatness. I mean, are you really going to say that MAG>BF3 since it has more players? HELL NO. Don't act like player count is a game breaker.

[DeadIIIRed]

Well said, how do you only have three bubbles?

[GameZenith]

No, Higher player count does not equal better game. But in the case of Battlefield, it DOES make a better game.

Unlike most games which are meant to be enjoyed with smaller counts, Battlefield is built on the premise that there would be a large count of player running around doing various things. Go all the way back to Battlefield: 1942 on the PC. Some of my greatest matches was when the game was filled with 64 players making it a 32 v 32 experience. When it was like 7 v 7 or 14 vs 14 it wasn't the same game. In some ways, it was slow and boring.

Battlefield is MEANT to be played with a larger count. Hell, BF is one of those games that would justify a 128 player experience [64 v 64] because the infrastructure and framework is based around large player counts such as large maps, air space, vehicles etc.

So in a sense, console players ARE getting less of the BF experience in comparison to the PC crowd.

[Gazondaily]

Just say it like it is man. Why sugarcoat it? Of course console players are getting less Battlefield: lesser visual fidelity, less players and small scale (possibly).

[KonGreat]

And a more expensive game too!

[yesmynameissumo]

Good thing no one is putting a gun to my head and making play the console version. Even though I am going to be buying and playing the PS3 version. As long as the game is as good as it looks to be, I don't care what my PC brethren are playing. As they don't care what I'm playing.

[Lavitz2012]

Sacrifices had to be made for it to look good.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Who gives? It'll be fun on all platforms. Heck, I'm getting it on PS3 and PC.

[zero_gamer]

It's just PR bull to get more console sales. How surprising.

[Agent_hitman]

It is obvious marketing PR, then again I will still buy this game..................... on PC LOL

[UltimateIdiot911]

Of course, console gamers aren't getting less of BF3. It's just that PC gamers are getting more of BF3.

[Gamer-Z]

Less Battlefield is better than no Battlefield

[Rainstorm81]

Exactly....It could be a PC exclusive

[Rainstorm81]

@disagreers

So i guess You would prefer no BF3?.....SMDH

[trenso1]

No I disagree because you would want it exclusive to the pc

[Oschino1907]

@Raiinstorm81 - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA first coment to truely make me LOL. Do you really think EA/DICE could afford to make BF3 as awesome as it is on PC without the sales/revenue from Console??? No F**king way. I will more then likely be skipping this game solely due to my disdain for being used by EA/DICE to give them money to fund an uber awesome PC game while providing me with just a watered down half assed Console version.

More power to those on PC, you are getting the REAL game with all the features and graphically glory, everyone on console is just bein taken on a ride for their $$$ regardless of how "good" the game may seem to them. Consolers are just being used to provide PC with one of the best gameing experiances this gen. It may not be a bad game on console at all but would you buy an obviously overpriced and under featured Ferrari just to say you have a Ferrari or would you feel a bit alienated and wonder why you are paying for (funding) something that someone else is getting???

BF3 COULD NOT HAVE BEEN PC ONLY, WOULD HAVE NEVER MADE ENOUGH MONEY.

[Ashriel]

stop the bullshit, please :/

[TheClown]

The 360 is certainly getting a bit more Battlefield 3 thanks to having 2 discs.

[TheFirstClassic]

You're not very funny considering you're a clown.

[Plagasx]

lol, just trying to make poor console peasants happier.

Nice on DICE. *wink, wink*

[402]

you don't have to be elitist you know that right but oh well ps3 fanboys make similar comments to bash 360 even though their consoles is only slightly more powerful so I guess thats how everything works on this site.

I will be playing BF3 on a high spec pc though :) it makes no scene to play this on consoles if you have a pc even a pc of the lowest system requirements will outperform the console version of battlefield 3 which will be running at lowest pc settings.

the console versions do look amazing considering they use 6 year old technology so please show some respect

[death2smoochie]

"DICE: Console players 'aren't getting less Battlefield 3'"

Consoles: Subhd, 30fps, no tessellation, lower resolution textures, player count less...

Ya consoles are not getting less.........

[3GenGames]

You say that as if every PC is built for BF3, when even some PC gamers will be only having the advantage of more players because their PC's can't handle it.

[Neko608]

This has gotten pretty ridiculous...

DICE is putting out what is likely to be a great game and it seems they're always on the defensive about something. Forum gamers suck :(

[Rainstorm81]

Well alot of it is PC gamers must compare 5-6 yr old tech to new PC tech.....even though BF3 will be a top tier FPS on consoles....

DICE shouldn't need to defend themselves...BF3 will be a dominant game on all platforms

[gcolley]

i'm almost over it on this site.

[thebudgetgamer]

seems like they think we're a bunch of special needs kids.

[SH0CKW4VE]

90% of the people I come across on console are.

[thebudgetgamer]

you mean 90% percent of the people you come across on the internet, witch is probably only 10% of the people that own these consoles.

[Jack_DangerousIy]

Special needs kids that don't seem to comprehend the concept of capitalization eh? ;P

I'm just foolin' you bro.

[402]

yeah the pc version will be a generation ahead of the console version but that's only because consoles use 6 year old technology therefore comparing the 2 platforms simply isn't fair.

compare the ps3 and 360 versions instead as both consoles are close in power although the ps3 version can potentially look a little better if dice uses the little extra power it has that the 360 does not.

The ps3 version does come with a free game, all on 1 disk and gets dlc a week earlier than the 360 and pc versions so if you ask me the ps3 version will be better than the 360 version even if both versions look the same which they probably will as DICE has mentioned this several times

[nolifeking]

I really don't feel I'm getting less, I'm getting the best that consoles can do. 24 players does seem low considering KZ2&3, MAG, R2, and even the upcoming Starhawk, but it seems like a reasonable sacrifice only considering the destruction. It's not less, just smaller if that makes since(?) to anyone.

[ATi_Elite]

DICE did everything they could to make BF3 console just as good as the PC version but in reality the consoles are not on the same technical level as a mid range PC which we all know.

Just think DICE could have made the game to only run on High End PC's like Crytek did Crysis back in 2007. It took like 6 months before video cards came out that allowed mid range game play. This would of resulted in the console versions loosing out on even more features as DICE would of been pressed for time. (It took Crytek 4 years to make Crysis console work)

So overall the BF3 console experience will be very close to the PC experience except for technical advantages like:

1080p 1200p 1600p Resolutions, 8xMSAA 16xAF, 3 or 6 monitor set-ups which add peripheral view, 64 player maps, dedicated servers with Admins and others.

DICE is a AAA Dev team and BF3 will be awesome no matter the platform unlike the last 5 years of crappy PC and or Ps3 ports that other Devs have shoved out the door. Lets just be happy DICE took the time to make things right for all platforms.

[thebudgetgamer]

it's not the technical aspect of this that bugs me. i know the limitations of the consoles.

i just wish they would come out and say.

the pc version will be stronger but we will work hard to make sure every one that buys the game has a fun experience.

this seems like pandering.

[Jack_DangerousIy]

Is your "Shift" key broken?

;P

[RAmar101]

Pc version if you have an expensive rig will be best version for sure with 60fps and higher player count

Console versions will be fine, out of the 2 ps3 version will be better, games all on 1 bluray and comes with free online BF game

[cedaridge]

Don't know about u all but im rather tired of the whole PC vs. game console. i use my computer for computer business and my game console for video gamesand movies thats it. if u like pc gaming fine! but dont knock ps3 and xb360 for it. my theory is "if u like them all well get them all and Dont limit yourself." psn: cedaridge / xbl: cedaridge

[Bladesfist]

My version is better than your version

[Tigerfist]

Maximum player limit.

Let's be honest for a bit now...

[zetyd43]

i still have my doubts on the game on the consoles but the ps3 version, even if it wont be the better looking one, wil be the one that i get

[Pro_TactX]

Smaller maps is quite literally "less battlefield".

[TheGameFoxJTV]

LMAO