Dead or Alive 5: A New Class of Fighter?

Dead or Alive is considered by many as one of the best fighting games on the market, and Team Ninja is trying to prove that once more with the fifth iteration, but will they be able to "push the envelope" as Director Yosuke Hayashi has said they intend to?

[LOGICWINS]

Dead or Alive and MK are the only fighting franchises that I've ever been able to enjoy. IMO, they appeal to people who aren't traditionally fighting game fans.

[Gazondaily]

This is like a mash up between a beat em up and the racing game Split Second where you executed certain set pieces in the map to explode, planes to crash and buildings to fall.

Team Ninja need to make sure it remains balanced and doesn't end up gimmicky. The charm could wear out quickly if the map destruction is triggered easily and done so frequently.

Still, the fighting model of the past games have been solid and this looks really impressive.

Logic you may be correct in your assertion and I imagine this will further attract non beat em up fans. Still, like I said, it has a solid fighting system and whilst it is very accessible it is also deceptively deep. Let's see how this goes.

If any thing, at least we get to oggle at digital bouncing betties.

[ChrisW]

3D fighting games in my opinion:
(Most enjoyable from left to right)

Dead or Alive > Soul Calibur > Mortal Kombat:DA > Vitua Fighter > Street Fighter Ex >>>> Tekken

[OmegaSlayer]

What I liked in the video was the movement inside the arena.
It was the most believable and natural I 've seen in a 3D fighter.

[CC-Tron]

Here's the problem with DoA. The counters. If they want to improve that system they have to allow the player to 'counter a counter'. Counters should be escapable like throws. If they want to improve DoA; they can start right there. Somehow I think they aren't going to do that.

[AriesSiren]

the counters are to punish spammers/button mashers. thats the point. its all about timing. they should not be escapable. If you dont like the system your not really "getting" doa. theres nothing more annoying than having someone just stay on you and wear down your life bar. thats not balance its just a cheap way of winning. all those cheap tactics in street fighter, MK or any other 2d fighter are gone and doa gives everyone a fair chance at winning. DOA4 really was the best fighter and got your blood pumping.

[StifflerK]

I really like the DoA series , it has the best fighting arenas , kicking your opponent through windows or smashing them into the scenery is a lot of fun.

I hope the new game has loads of new characters , maybe some guest characters from the Ninja Gaiden series.

[Gran Touring]

I really enjoy 3d fighting games in general, but I just could never get into DOA. It's fun to pick up and play, but its fighting mechanics really lack depth. Other 3d fighters have buffering of moves, tech traps, okizeme options, frame advantage moves, etc., but DOA doesn't really do these things and remains a bit simple. The majority of its complexity comes from its counter system, which is pretty much just a guessing game.

Still, it's been nearly 6 years since the last DOA, I'd be willing to think the devs have made vast improvements over DOA4, even without Itagaki onboard.

[AriesSiren]

youve obviously havent played doa4 with a skilled fighter. the frames were cut in half and you couldnt just guess.you had to think. every fighter had different timing especially gen fu, elliot and kokoro. you could manipulate the timing of your combos. prior entries were easier but doa4 was perfection and harder to master.

[Gran Touring]

That fact that I haven't played doa4 with a "skilled" fighter would be you implying that there's higher tiered characters for the game, which doesn't help the balance of the game.

It's been so long since I played it, but the three characters that I played with most often were Zack, Hayate and Ryu. Zack for his mix-ups, Hayate for his good striking (best when spacing properly) and Ryu for his counter-punishes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ryu and Hayate are two of the better characters in the game.

You only reinforced my complaint with the countering system by mentioning how every fighter had different timing. If you know the opponent's moveset and combos is one thing, but to know when each move is going to hit, which is based upon the player's timings, then it comes down to guessing. The only thinking to be done is to counter high/mid or low. Look at any tournament match on YT and see how its just a bunch of long winded combos that lead to either big damage, or a counter at some point, as combos can't be interrupted but only countered.

People can disagree with me if they want, but there's a reason DOA was never that big on the tournament scene. The fighting system isn't deep and hasn't evolved over the years.

-Is sidestepping/evading a viable mechanic? No. -Are there 3d tracking moves? No.
-Throw breaks/techs? No, just merciless zero-frame throws in fact.
-USEFUL frame analyzing? No.
-Okizeme trapping/reseting? Nope. Just invincible frames during fall breaks.

Each of these things other fighters have addressed and improved with each iteration, while DOA just looks the other way. I will say that the game is fun as hell to play casually, but for playing competitively it isn't nearly as rewarding as say Virtua Fighter or Tekken. The only thing that distinguishes DOA in the positive sense is its counter system, which alone is subject to much criticism by fighting fans.

[AriesSiren]

i love fighters, been playin since sf2 in arcades and alot of you dont know real fighters or refuse to learn. 2D is not true fighting. its casual and has no depth other than jump punch, low kick, fireball. with 3D, you get amazing depth that cant be done in 2D. try virtua fighter 5, soul calibur or doa4 and learn the mechanics and you can never go back to 2d. becoming skilled in 3 dimensions is so rewarding vs 2 dimensions of jump forward or back, theres no freedom of movement. kind of simple don't you think? pretty sad when developers have to make games "accessible" just to sell fighters. dumbing down fighters because you wont learn it is pretty insulting to those of us to want real depth.