Will Counter Strike On Consoles Kill Off Call of Duty?

Call of Duty has remained as the top-selling game due to its multiplayer, with this in particular dominating consoles. Now with perhaps the series' biggest influence, Counter Strike hitting consoles, will the franchise die out?

[Nitrowolf2]

Maybe. Don't think it will though. Love Counter strike and will definitely be a day one buy. Anyone know if there is cross play like on Portal 2?

[ChrisPriestman]

Haha! That would be hilarious (from a PC gamers point of view)!

Console players playing with PC players on CS would just be a tad one sided. Still would love to see it, just for an experiment and to settle a few age-old arguments, if nothing else xD

[Nitrowolf2]

Yeah i would want to see it to. I've seen PC though and the time it takes to shoot and switch up stuff is so much faster. Still maybe we can get some sort of cross-play. It;ll really depend on the players though. It may run better on Computer, but that doesn't mean it'll always be lop sided.

[Oner]

I'm looking forward to this on consoles but I think the overall best option would be to do a true HD remake of CS 1.6 but with 2 additions ~ Keyboard/Mouse & Move support.

[MintBerryCrunch]

you have to actually be good at CS, a lot of COD players will probably bitch that the game isn't like COD and they will go back to what makes them feel like a BAU5

[Larry L]

This is news to me. Interesting development.....is this like confirmed news?

Cross platform play with PC gamers would be awesome of Valve, even if they have to release another version on PC for PC gamers to partake against PS3 players. Like someone else said.........just to settle some old arguments.

But just so you PC guys know, all the "CoD noobs" (at least most of them) on consoles are going to stick with CoD MW3 or some switch to BF3. It's a religion to them. I've learned this talking to CoD players online. But the PS3 gamers that would be playing CounterStrike are the Killzone players and the SOCOM players. These aren't the kind of console shooter players who're going to be eazy pickins because they're used to having the crutch of aim assists making them think they're alot better at shooters than they really are. IMO you'd be playing the best of the best in the console shooter realm.

The closest we've come so far to a true test of console vs PC players was the PS3 version of Unreal Tournament 3 due to the true PC mod support it has and having KB/M support. Controller player kept up pretty well, and that's on a lightning fast paced FPS, we'd keep up even better on a slower paced game like CS.

I hope they do it, just so a few mouths on the internet get shut. If we console gamers can't get some respect in the shooter realm fro m PC players.......we'll TAKE that respect online in CounterStrike!!! LOL

[ikkokucrisis]

Awesome, looking forward to owning some console newbs on my PC!

[BattleAxe]

Well the new Counter Strike will definitely attract oldschool Socom players since there hasn't been many good tactical shooters this generation outside of GRAW2 and to some degree Socom: Confrontation.

I tried getting into Counter Strike last year, but since the game is so old, the longtime hardcore players shred all the new players to the point that its not worth the time you would have to put in today to compete with those players. I can't complain too much though, CSS only cost me $5.00.

[dkp23]

Isnt really any point togo cross plat. The best pc gamer will kill the best console gamer every time.

Cross plats would be good for mmos or dungeon crawlers, not fps games

[Solid_Malone]

Totally agree with you mate, i would really love to see a HD remake of CS 1.6. IMO, the source engine is terrible for cs, the guns don't have that powerful feeling that cs 1.6 was able to portray.

I really hope that Valve are working on a new engine in time for HL3 and the inevitable CS 2.0.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

Yeah I dont think cross platform play would be too good for CS. And If there was no option to not play with pc gamers then alot of console people would quit. This isnt a co-op cross platform game.

not to mention these would be different versions of the game. Such as PC has dedicated servers and mods/ unlimited levels that the console versions wont have.

That would be cool if valve let the console versions DL some maps from the PC game tho, at least the ps3 version since it has steam somewhat.

Ive played CS on PC forever and have it already and my old PC with a 9600 can run source better than the consoles easy, but I would probably still buy this for cheap just to try it. Im not big on COD any more since 4 was awesome, and the ones since have been lame.

[bozebo]

They really don't need a new CS though. They just need to fix the bugs and add some maps so we don't have to play on de_dust2 constantly.

Literally, they can't improve the game's core design - it just isn't possible.

Still, if they use the excuse of releasing a new CS to fix the bugs - at least they will be fixed and I would be happy to buy the game again for that...

[firemassacre]

sorry counterstrike, thats battlefields job.

[TheGameFoxJTV]

No, they can both co-exist. Two completely different games that wanna kill CoD.

[Micro_Sony]

Unless they make CS casual friendly then I dont see this happening.

The reason why COD is so popular is because almost anyone can play it and feel like a pro.

[Shackdaddy836]

It's a little bit casual friendly. It's really easy to pick up (at least for me it was).

[Pandamobile]

If you're already good at FPS games, then yeah, it's easy to get the hang of it. But if you're new to PC FPS games it's a nightmare.

[evrfighter]

Won't be for casual gamers. It's more then likely gonna be for the competitive gamer. Tournament/league play friendly

[solar]

the CS series us too hardcore for the 95% casual player that plays CoD.

[dkp23]

If cs isnt casual friendly, i dont know wat is. There are no perks add ons or ranking crap u got to do. Simple, kill get money and buy new gun. Everyone on same playing field. Cod gamers that rank has clear advantage.

[whatis]

@ dkp23

I disagree with you and I feel that it is in fact the "Perks, Add-ons or Rankings" that make a game more casual friendly and not the other way around.

"Perks, Add-ons or Rankings" are just an artificial skill cap for those players that play these games but never actually improve their playing ability.

Everyone that plays for long enough to unlock the extra skills and abilities etc, is guaranteed at some point to find start finding themselves getting an advantage over the newer players.

Everyone is guaranteed to see an improvement with themselves, no matter how bad they are, just by playing.

This is not always the case with FPS games such as Counter Strike or Quake for example. These games give you all of the tools from the start. To everyone. But it takes a lot of learning and practice to actually see some improvement.

I also believe that these "Perks, Add-ons or Rankings" are there to give players a goal to work towards and again "artificially" keep people playing the game for long enough until the next installment comes out. Or to keep casual gamers from from trading it in too soon, or moving to another game.

People play, and stick with Counter Strike for the high level of competition and the skill that is involved.

[da_2pacalypse]

yeah I agree, cod players are usually just noobs that have picked up a controller for the first time or something... But that's okay, because CS is going to be an arcade release, so just about anybody can pick it up for like 15 bucks and give it a try.

[TheShow17]

That's exactly what I was thinking. If they could get cross play to work on this game and extend the popularity of it on PCs over to the Xbox 360 and/or PS3, that would be a huge win for the publisher. I've never played it though, but my college roommate was always playing it and still swears its one of the best shooters out there.

[STONEY4]

The problem with Counter-Strike though is that it's literally the definition of a tactical twitch shooter, except the twitch shooter part is much more accuracy based. As in, I couldn't imagine playing on a controller vs anyone using a mouse.

I also remember playing alot on a modded server with low gravity, only sniper rifles, and only headshots kill. I'm not sure if they're going to be having mod support with this either (zombiemod, RPG, and mini-game servers are where 80% of my CSS playtime is these days), but that kind of situation would be one-sided. Most of the servers are mod/fun servers anyways.

What I'm trying to say is, I think consoles should play against consoles for CS, because of the mouse/kb advantage. Not in a bad way though. The vanilla gameplay is also amazing and fun.

[mastiffchild]

K/M should NEVER be in the same lobby as pads-it's just not an even playing field whatsoever. I actually play EVERY SP campaign with a pad these days(even on PC) purely because a mouse is TOO EFFICIENT for shooters-it takes me out of the game a bit(partly, also, as you're aiming on a separate plane)because it makes my avatar capable of superhuman feats which are jarring to my mind and really bad when playing as a normal soldier/whatever.

Anyway, point is UT3 K/M players massacred pad players and it's just the input method and not skill counting so, for me, keep console gamers and PC heads apart and even moreso on CS.

If I play some, and I might for old time's sake, on PC I'll have to go K/M but on console where we all, mostly, use the same controller it'll be a fairer(if less impressive to look at and without mods!) playing field. I never know for certain, playing on PC, if it's me, my tech or the other guys tech/equipment or skill that governs matches. By allowing pad Vs mouse you'd only add to not knowing why you won or lost and take skill further out of the equation.

Not that K/M doesn't use skill-it does-but it's just a way easier method for aiming and FPS than a pad. It's been proven time and again that even a great player with a pad cannot compete with someone with half a clue on K/M.

[Prototype]

I remember Counter Strike on Xbox; I'm surprised they decided to release another CS at this point in time. I'd get it just to see how different the PC and console versions are.

I will vote CS > CoD

[snipes101]

If there is cross platform play, I would like it to be optional (say, a playlist for cross platform). I'm not super good at online shooters and don't have time to get super good at them. Facing off against an experienced console gamer would be bad enough. A PC gamer though...well...I'd be screwed.

[ATi_Elite]

Lots of people are being mislead as to what CS:GO is.

It's not a sequel to CS:S or CS1.6

It's an update to make a version of CS fall in line with eSports standards like DoTa 2 and StarCraft2.

Valve is really pushing esports all of a sudden and actually valve should have done this years ago!!

[mastiffchild]

I was thinking they'd been VERY careful not to call this anything LIKE counterStrike 2 myself!! Makes me wonder, though, just where the hell our next HL is hiding at! Valve seem more set on other things and if they now go big, as you suggest they should have already done, on Esports just when the hell can we expect Ep3 or even HL3 itself?

I WAS blaming Valve milking the L4D gravy train at one point but it just seems anything comes out before we get any news about HL!

When I'm sad and need a giggle I just google the Valve announcement of episodic content for the HL series and how it would stop us gamers having to wait more than a year or 18 months for new content. How long since Ep2 now? I can't count(lucky Valve knew this I reckon!) but it definitely FEELS a tiny bit longer than a year or 18 months now! Consider that HL2Ep2 is now ancient and was done well before this current console cycle began I can't see us getting a new bit of content on PC, or anywhere, before the next consoles start plopping out. My bet is on it being nearly ten years by the time we finally see more Freeman.

I LOVE counterstrike, don't get me wrong, and L4D on PC is still a great series kept fresh by amazing modders(console version is VERY poor by comparison, mind)but Valve just seem hell bent on not giving us the slightest clue about HL!

[killcycle]

Cross play?
You can play people on other consoles with portal 2?

[SpitFireAce85]

You can play portal 2 with the PC guys through
the PS3 version.

[da_2pacalypse]

CS: GO will be an arcade release, so 15 bucks at most. I'm sure a lot of people are going to be tempted to buy that...

[subtenko]

Yes bring on the cross play of ps3 with pc and mac! Just make sure to add keyboard and mouse support with the ps3 version too. I loved playing counterstrike :D Lately I dont play too many pc games so I wanna just buy on consoles mainly now unless theres a pc exclusive I MUST have.

oh and give us mod support like UT3 has!

Agree or Disagree if you Agree or Disagree

[showtimefolks]

I WILL SAY THIS ONCE IN CAPS SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND THIS.

THE ONLY THING THAT WILL KILL COD IS COD.

When there are casual gamers out there who will buy 2-3 sports titles a year plus COD they will not pick up CS. And that's where activision aims COD.

Whether you like it or not(I don't)you have to respect the fact how activision has build a monster and that's the only games that's actually play able from activision most others are below average sales and reviews wise.

SO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT:

TOO MUCH COD WILL KILL COD I HAVE TO THINK SOON PEOPLE WILL STOP CARING OR MAYBE EVERY YEAR COD WILL SET NEW RECORDS SALES WISE

THIS YEAR'S BATTLEFIELD 3 VS COD WILL BE FUN TO WATCH AND TO SEE IF BF SERIES OR EA CAN REALLY TAKE ON ACTIVISION I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT.

COD WILL SELL IN 20 MILLION PLUS
BF3 IF LUCKY WILL SELL 10 MILLION

BOTH WILL BE SUCCESSFUL BUT UNTIL ANOTHER COMPANY MAKES A FPS WHICH IS NOOB FRIENDLY AND ADVERTISES IT LIKE ITS THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD ITS NOT HAPPENING

EA has said they have over 100 million in advertisement BUDGET and i believe with enough advertisement anything can be sold while BF3 will be a really great game compare to COD i hope it out sells COD or atleast sells neck and neck with BF

[fluffydelusions]

Doubt it, but it doesn't mean COD is better.

[xenophage]

I don't think CS will really stick on consoles. This could be like TF2 that was released on consoles but then died out pretty fast.

[Zechs34]

Seriously, isn't it crazy how different TF2 is on the consoles as opposed to what most of us still play now on PC?

No hats!! :(

[xenophage]

Damn. I forgot about hats. Wonder if CS: GO will have hats :D

[BabyTownFrolics]

we never got the crazy cool updates on consoles, even though Valve promised.

http://kotaku.com/5040417/t...

[Raven_Nomad]

LMAO, hell no it cant.

[Micro_Sony]

I wouldn't say it cant but it wont.

My 13 year old sister is loving COD because she can actually get kills in it - not too sure CS will be that easy.

[news4geeks]

yeah counter strike gameplay lends itself to the pros better than CoD. Headshot oriented games always separate the men from the boys. And I'm a boy because I'm not good enough at getting quick headshots :(

Not sure how well they could implement counter strike on a 360 controller also. CoD with plentiful auto-aim is what's needed to game on 360 so I doubt counter strike could be popular to the masses.

[kabala]

There was a CS game on the original Xbox needless to say it bombed.

[xenophage]

Did it have a campaign? Or am I mixing my CS games up...

[kabala]

It really didn't have a campaign. It wasn't a bad game I just think with Halo, Ghost Recon, Return to Castle Wolfenstein people thought it was very basic

[GamerSciz]

^This

Counter Strike isn't as bad of a twitch shooter as CoD not to mention some guns will take 5 or 6 or even 10 bullets to kill you. I don't think that a controller will be nearly as useful as a keyboard and mouse so no it won't kill of CoD.

[Zechs34]

Yeah it won't as much as some of us would like it to. And don't forget this is technically a digital only game. Kinda reminds me of that PSN game Modern Combat Domination. Which btw, is decent for a couple of bucks.

[BlackKnight]

Counter strike takes serious skill. You can't aim down sight besides scoped weapons. Almost no guns shoot exactly where you aim, there is always spread and the spread get worse and worse VERY fast, and so does recoil, intensely. Just this alone is a huge difference, as well as no aim assist at all. They might introduce ADS and probably aim assist but guess we have to find out.

Here is what the M4 does in CS 1.6. Notice how they are only 15 feet from the wall.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Here is the AK 47 recoil in CS Source:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I have both consoles but CS recoil and spread is in another league of difficulty when it comes to gun control and aim.

EDIT: Oh and my point is COD is way simpler than CS to aim and do fire fights so I don't think they are similar enough. Unless this new CS game takes away a lot of the complexities of CS.

[Micro_Sony]

So its confirmed then - CS will not kill COD.

The millions of people don't buy COD because it takes skills and tactics but because its noob friendly.

[radphil]

"The millions of people don't buy COD because it takes skills and tactics but because its noob friendly."

That's kinda the message spread around. It's similar with the method behind WoW. It's newbie friendly, which is why they had millions play it.

[Saryk]

Not having played Red Orchestra 2, but consoles could use the first one.

[Newtype]

Ew, CS on console is stupid.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Counter Strike wouldn't even be the same game on consoles

[BabyTownFrolics]

counterstrike on the original xbox

http://xbox.ign.com/article...

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I didn't say it doesn't exist

[Swiggins]

That's not Counterstrike, that's a shadow in the shape of Counterstrike.

[TronEOL]

I absolutely believe it can. Most gamers who started playing FPS's, started with Counter-Strike. So I can see a huge number of gamers swapping over to the Counter-Strike if the meat is there and it's as easy as Call of Duty in regards to getting into matches (matchmaking).

Not to mention Counter-Strike is just amazing. Can't wait to pick it up in early 2012.

[ikkokucrisis]

This is like super mario coming to the pc...

[Pandamobile]

I doubt it'll catch on much with console gamers. It'll probably sell fine, but console games aren't known for their longevity.

[Hufandpuf]

no need to port to console, it wouldn't work or appeal as well as it has on PC. CSS doesn't take a super computer to run anyway so it's fine on PC.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

No, idk, maybe. But just stick with PC.

[whydoyouask]

Can people play that on the 360 when they can no longer cheat?

[J86blum]

-Runs and hugs CS- Well not to sound like an ass but I can tell you were the adults will be playing, no kiddies, no b.s perks, just skill.

[Zechs34]

I can agree with this. Everyone is talking smack about CoD or BF3 and which one is more realistic? I have been playing CS and CSS for the better part of the decade, there is no question what shooter adults play.

[Drekken]

Hey look, a new shooter announced for consoles!

I know, CoD killer article would be perfect right now!!

CS will Kill CoD!!!!

_________________________

Ugh, I sure hope the thought process of these amateur bloggers is deeper than that. So damn predictable that some stooge would have the incompetence to even try to compare the two games. Name me one console game that is 5vs5, no respawns ONLY. Nothing compares to CS... its in a league of its own. The CS PC community is still alive and kicking.

and for the record _ CS doesn't belong on consoles at all. Its a PC game and should stay that way. If they are insisting on a console release, at least be smart and give mouse and keyboard options where you can.

[somethingstrang]

CS has already killed CoD. CoD requires iterations each year to keep its players from getting bored, while CS has only 3 iterations in the past 12 years.

[Vitalogy]

I already have it on PC why bother buying one for ps3? At least on PC I can play with keyboard+mouse which is way better than using a pad for an FPS game.

[256bit]

move or m/k support just like they did with the original HL on ps2.

[Baka-akaB]

Sadly wont happens . As far back as i remember from my CS days , it always required skills , something cod never truly do .

COD is something that wow folks with very little , and is easy as pie to compete with . It's not going anywhere till someone else perfect the same formula

[CKsquid]

No.
Simply because people that play cod won't like counter strike.
Not saying that CS is a bad game just saying, IMO there is no sense of achievement in the game.
No unlocks, no levels, nothing like that.
You are playing to play and that is all.
Thats why it will never steal the COD market.

[BeastlyRig]

lol imagine a console shooter game lasting for years with dev support! It won't happen cuz there is not as much money in it..

[raiden-49]

with people saying its unfair because pc is faster due to the keyboard and mouse then valve should make the ps3 or even the xbox be able to use them.

[Ricardoportillo04]

i wouldn't mind

[Agent_hitman]

Unless CS:GO will have advance Source engine graphics...

[somethingstrang]

counter-strike will fail on consoles. The reason, simply, is because the shooting mechanics require much more precision and control, while not compromising speed, that a controller can't achieve.

[Getowned]

not that i wouldn't get it on PS3, I think it should stay on PC but it would be something to see can't wait to see how the new CS is.

[ATi_Elite]

BOTH....and here's why!

Valve is jumping in on the eSports phenomenon with DotA2 and CS:GO.
CS:GO will be an eSports title where Pro Gamers compete for big money and us Novices get to watch and drool wishing we were that good. lol

eSports also includes console gamers as well and it looks like Valve wants CS:GO to be the first eSports game to be played on the PC and console thus making CS:GO the gold standard for FPS no matter what platform. Currently each platform has it's own titles for eSports.

360 = Halo series and Gears
PS3 = Modern Warfare series
Wii = Super Smash Brothers Brawl
PC = Too many to list as it contains Tower Defense, FPS, Racing, RTS, and RTS/RPG.
Tekken and FIFA are pro games too but i don't know which system 360 or Ps3.

So again the main point of CS:GO is to establish it as the GOLD standard of FPS no matter what platform in eSports!!

[bozebo]

How did you miss street fighter? lol

In pro leagues they tend to run the game on PC if at all possible for reliability, showmanship and performance (which would include fifa and street fighter)

[ATi_Elite]

Street fighter as far as i know host it's own tournaments and is not involved with the Pro League circuits who have many games.

[artdafoo]

Shit what are the real big differences between COD and CS ?

[bozebo]

CS has about 500352386x as much recoil on the guns and the maps are designed so you are always in a bad situation where you are about to die.

[ATi_Elite]

CS = requires great skill to play

COD = requires no skill to play

it's just that simple.

[Platinum_k]

I Doubt it...

...that's Battlefield 3's job!

[DruePhoenix]

Does no one remember they used to both be on PC?

Why does every franchise have to KILL every other franchise? What is the point if we only have the one, isn't competition there to make things improve?

[Kran]

Short answer: No.

Long Answer: Call of Duty will never be beaten. It's a fact. Its a sad fact but to be honest, it's the gamers that buy it, which is one massive thing people tend to forget.

[bozebo]

Lol no. Counter strike can't work on consoles bcause the recoil patterns are too complicated and jumpy. They would have to break the game to make it playable on consoles.

Anybody who played CS 1 on xbox will remember...

Also, CS NEEDS dedicated servers and mods.

[Ravenor]

That wasn't even CS, that was CZ and the recoil had already been adjusted in the PC version and Xbox version. Very easy to get headshots in that game on the Xbox.

You are right though, major adjustments would need to be made to get the game to play semi smooth on the consoles.

[maxmill]

LOL at pc fanboys thinking CS is so hardcore

you guys are just laughable

[Ravenor]

As someone who plays both PC and console games I can say from experience, nothing on the consoles touches: CS, Quake or Tribes skill wise. MAYBE SOCOM back in the day, but that's long gone.

I'm still waiting for one of you to finally accept my 1v1 CS or Quake Live M/K v Pad. All you need is a wired controller 360 or PS3, Xpadder(motioninjoy for the PS3) and a copy of CS or a account for Quake Live. Hell we can do a 2v1 and I guarantee I will still win, anything to just shut you people up about what you don't understand.

[bozebo]

CS is the most hardcore shooter out there. CoD2 and 4 could be played in a competitive way but they still didn't touch CS. Quake is very hardcore, but in a different way to CS.

The only balanced console shooter I can think of is Halo 3, that could be quite hardcore if everybody in a match was extremely good.

Anyway, CS has been broken since they purposely destroyed the hit reg in 2010 as an excuse to release this new version...

[SpitFireAce85]

Call of duty is to big on consoles nothing will kill it off..
even battlefield 3 wont put a dent into CoD sales.Now not to
get bashed as a CoD noob/fanboy this is sales we are talking about not quality.

[kza]

I hope it does but i dont think it will. Theres too many cod fanboys(Kids) who think COD is the best game ever made.

[TheCampfireSong]

Until they realize they were wrong

[Rifkens]

Yes

[nOvashin]

nostalgic

[Bob570]

Counter-Strike requires skill. So no, it won't be able to beat CoD.

[Jason143]

There is no auto aim or snapping etc etc cod fans will hate counter strike. CS is a pure skill game. If they allow steam users vs console we will get raped. I still get owned every now and then on steam by the guys that have been playing this for 10yrs++

[capcock]

cs on consoles? I would rather play guitar hero with a regular ps3/360 controller than a game like counter strike and I'm 100% serious, and it's the source engine so it will be 30fps also JEEZ! talk about poor man's version.