Suede Retrospective: FFVII Advent Children...And Why It Sucked

Suede from ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.com discusses Square Enix's 2005 film Advent Children...and why it was an awful follow-up to the PSOne classic, Final Fantasy VII.

[RedDead]

Cloud became a super emo...what happened to his attitude from FF7?

[Pozzle]

I hate that Square (and even some fans) have forgotten how much of a goofy badass Cloud was in the original game. He wasn't always emo. He was actually pretty cheery, considering all the crap that was going on around him. Even when it looked like they were all going to die, he never gave up. He always had something hopeful or upbeat to say.

I couldn't imagine Advent Children's Cloud saying silly things like, "Let's mosey!" or "You look like a bear wearing a marshmallow" or "That fire is so hot, it would make crispy critters of us in an instant!" <-- That Cloud was fun. Not the Angsty McEmo guy we got in Advent Children. :(

[zerocrossing]

I agree but if you remember correctly, For most parts of Clouds goofy badassery during FF7 he thought he was zack... Still its a shame cloud came across as such a whiny emo in AC.

[midgard227]

zerocrossing is right, thats when he thought he was zack and when you play crisis core zack acts just like that.

One of my fav choices of dialog was after you woke up with tifa she asks how was your sleep.

one of the choices was "Good because I woke up next to you"

still i love cloud, just wish he was like his ff7 self, this is the real reason the ff7 remake wont happen. AC style cloud acting like he should will feel odd now lol. especially with his english voice actor. LMAo they made him revoice all his lines in advent children complete

[Pozzle]

That's true, but he was still pretty dorky and cheery even after he discovered the truth about his past (e.g. the "Let's mosey!" line). So I like to think some of that cheeriness was just a part of his natural personality, and the Zack memories of Zack only enhanced it. He definitely wasn't emo!Cloud at the end of FFVII. He wa still pretty hopeful about the future and about beating Sephiroth.

[Rocket Sauce]

Angst sells, I guess.

[Whitefox789]

I also like to take a page from Crisis Core where Cloud was still somewhat depressed while as a Shrina Guard working with Zack (majority of the time moaning thinking he's not good enough). Probably the most time I saw him different was when he first met Zach and them laughing that they were "backwater experts". Another time was in Nibelheim where before the day Sephiroth went all crazy Cloud sent a message to Zach asking if he would like to meet his mother.

Regardless to me though I always find something to like if its anything FF7. I believe my Crisis Core save file has over 80 hours on it.

[iamtehpwn]

Nomura has stated the idea was to change Cloud's personality than from the way he was in FFVII. It was to show the overwhelming guilt he felt about Zack and Aerith.

Not to mention, keep in mind Cloud was actually dying until the ending where he was cured.

[FriedGoat]

Why is this douche-bag wearing a coat indoors?

[nopunctuation]

It sucked because that was their cheap cop out so they wouldnt have to remake FF7.

[Ddouble]

It came out in 2005. People didn't start thinking of a remake till they saw this and the tech demo in E3.

[FriedGoat]

It wasn't cheap, it Made square go bankrupt.

[Redempteur]

no .. FF the spirits within did that ..advent children actually sold a lot ...and was a commercial success

[chidori666]

the movie sucks because pointless fight scenes and retard storyline.

[Gen0ne]

Unfortunately, those pointless fight scenes where the best part of the movie. Everything else was awkward and pointless.

[Pozzle]

"It should have been so easy: Show us what each of the characters are doing in their hometowns in glorious graphics, introduce a monster, then show them all fighting it. That's all we wanted!"

This.

[dafada]

....i dunno i enjoyed it. I bought it twice ...once on dvd then years later when it came complete on blu-ray....it wasn't THAT bad

[Peaceful_Jelly]

dude you have no standards.

[dafada]

why because i enjoyed something instead of whining about it? k there buddy everyone has their own opinion....,,who the hell are you to tell me i have no standards because i enjoyed something u didnt?......

[Hicken]

Meh. I wasn't the biggest fan of FFVII (not that I didn't like it, I just didn't LOVE it) so for me, AC was an improvement. Especially Cloud.

Emo always gets tossed around. Is that what Cloud was? He kept his distance from people because he was sick with a plague (more or less) and kept even the fact that he was sick a secret, and that makes him emo? I thought emo was all about being "woe is me" when there wasn't really anything to woe about. Shit, Cloud wasn't even feeling sorry for himself; he was STILL out there fighting Kadaj and his group while keeping everybody else in the dark.

The only reason AC sucked: it took AC to actually give VII a real ending. I didn't play the game when it first came out, but ever since I beat it, I'd been pissed about the ending. I was (somewhat) satisfied with AC, but that it took so long bothered me.

[specialguest]

The word emo gets thrown around too often. If anyone shows any kind of emotion, they're emo. If they have long hair, must be emo...etc. Why the hell does being sad or depressed means they're emo?? The girl he cared for was murdered in front of his face! Of course he's going to be depressed.

[Hicken]

Interesting. All those disagrees, and not one person with the balls to say why.

[Baka-akaB]

I dont even get why people obsess over it , it's a short movie . It was never gonna do a 40-60 epic story justice . All it could do was feature some spectacular action .

It did that job well enough , so no the movie doesnt sucks

[ScubaSteve1]

the movie is the only thing we got that came close to a ff7 remake or a sequel and no the movie did not suck

[Zanarkand]

Damn people... i thought AC Complete was just what the original was missing. The movie was so good that it made me tear up at the bitter end.

[Tigerfist]

I hardly remember that movie. All I can recall is the whole flashy and exagerated combat sequences, not so busty Tifa, emo Cloud (dear god...) and some Sephirot/Cloud fan service.

And the best thing is Square-Enix intends to make the FF games more like the combat from FF AC. The combat system of a game more like the combat system of a movie... They must intend to make it a giant flashy animu automated battle system aka a game that plays itself and causes epileptics to cry.

Signed: A very disapointed old FF fan.

[Peaceful_Jelly]

you took the words out of my mouth.

[Ddouble]

Loved it and bought the blu-ray for cheap from amazon.
The fight scenes are one of the best i've ever seen.

[Kee]

I didn't like it. It seemed kinda pointless. VII ended well. Didn't need to go bringing the bad guy back for one last fight

[Kurisu]

I liked it, but I agree it was pointless! Still didnt stop me from buying it twice! When it came out on DVD and then when it was released as Complete on Blu Ray. Wish the rest of the cast were introduced before the end. Kadaj was a good character though!

[lumley666]

what a stupid.. pointless... wastes of an article....

ff7 still stands today as my fave game iv ever played and tho the movie cud of been better i really loved it especially the bahamut fight seen, was epic. the complete edition was even better. it was a great movie for any ff7 fan and this should of never been an article!

[Bowzabub]

Good to see David Bowie still getting some work. (article picture)

[Der_Kommandant]

The only good thing was the CG animation

[WetN00dle69]

PffftTt whatever!! Go watch barbie or something. Something tells me youd enjoy watching that. This was an amazing CG movie!

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I loved it

[bigboss911]

two words that I wish would be banned from the internet... Emo and Epic. Because they have been watered down to overused slang terms. You go through the crap he did and not act a little down. Also He was happy in the end anyway.

[chiwoo]

I thought it was an ok movie. I always thought square should have made a movie about Sephiroth Orgins.

[Bay]

I loved it.

The latest extended version is even better, especially in 1080p. The whole geostigma thing didn't really make any sense to me, but, eh, I didn't watch it for that.

[NewVegasTroop]

wait what? fans didn't like it? men i loved it, considering i never played ff7, but i did complete crisis core (by the way awesome)

[forevercloud3000]

This guy is a fucking idiot. He obviously knows nothing of Advent Children's over all plot, let alone what a good movie is. If he were to have his way the movie would have been a cheap roll call of all the living characters in their own new happy life with some meaningless interruption for them to deal with. THAT would have been awful.

What AC had was perfect. FFVII did not need closure other than Cloud's guilt which is the only sense of closure u will get from this movie. Thats fine. Kadaj and his gang are meant to each represent different facets of Sephhiroth's personality;Destructive,Childi sh,Calm, Arrogance, etc. They are simply Sephiroth clones which are not new to AC, FFVII was riddled with them. Seph was seen as perfect in "mother's" eyes so he became the template of what to mold as her harbinger of doom. It also touches on the idea of Sephiroth being eternal or immortal(Sephirot are a compilation of different things that make up what an immortal is in certain religions). This guy makes fun of the fact that the movie has build up......wtf? No there is nnot DBZ action going on 247, that would be LAME.

[madjedi]

Didn't ff7 predate the obsession with calling everything emo, i liked the movie, i think more people here are non fans than actual fans.

I liked how it, expanded on ff7's story i also liked dirge of cerebus for expanding on vincents story and was a enjoyable game.

But if a bunch of idiots want to bad mouth it for "emo" characters, enjoy the steroid dripping uber badass space marine/soldiers with little or no emotion or personality in a majority of western games, though not all.

And someone mentioned the english voiceover, there are some english va's that are good, ffac isn't one of them, however aeris's english va was actually fairly good or was it tifa's one of them. Steve Blum just mimiced the japanese va for vincent not to put him down, but he is probably the only english va on the movie with actual experience.

[CrescentFang]

What more do you expect? It was fanservice...