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Mass Effect 3 devs have a pop at Gears of War

Two of Mass Effect 3′s senior environment artists take a pop at Gears of War’s “arbitrary” level design and the way it integrates its cover system.

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firemassacre5110d ago

Love Bioware's work, i was playing Mass Effect 2 on my ps3 and loved the cover system, it should be interesting to say the very least what this would turn out like. for the better i hope so.

BreakNeckSpeed5110d ago

There's plenty of cover options in gears. It's no different than any other Third person shooter.

StanLee5110d ago

Problem with their comments are, is that Gears of War is a "cover based" shooter. It's understandable that the level design is to accommodate the games' setpieces. BioWare should focus on making a great RPG not comparing themselves to action adventure games and cover based shooters like they've been doing. Mass Effect 2 strayed far from the concepts of the first game and was nothing short of a mediocre RPG.

Anon19745110d ago

Never played Mass Effect 1 or 2, but I kinda see what they're talking about with Gears. You just know coming around a corner - "Ah, look at all the chest high items. Better get ready because obviously something is going to happen here."

It would be nice if it wasn't so obvious. I love Gears, but I get that criticism.

awi59515109d ago

Yeah the better shut up before epic takes away their license for the unreal engine lol.

Solidus187-SCMilk5110d ago (Edited 5110d ago )

the cover system in the ME games is very clunky compared to other third person shooters like gears and uncharted. Gears 1 and uncharted 1 have way better cover system then eve ME2 has, work on that bioware.

Im not exactly sure what they mean by that comment, but all games with a cover system like this have random crap everywhere for you to take cover behind. They all have all kinds of little walls everywhere to hide behind. I actually think that it makes more sense in gears of war to have walls/sandbags everywhere as opposed to ME games having little walls all over the place in space.

Ive played all 4 of these games and I know that there could be a fight in any room because you can take cover behind almost every wall in these games. And every room has some sort of wall. Both games have a bunch of stuff tha twas obviously only put there for cover.

ME is my favorite series this gen, but these ME guys should be quiet about gears sandbags and work on making the clunky ME cover controls as smooth at the cover systems in gears and uncharted.

edit- also gears has them beat with destructible cover. In gears you cover might get shot to pieces if it isnt strong enough, and I think thats cool. In ME, you can hide behind a couch and it will block all shots and missiles from hitting you. its easy to make cover that isnt obvious when your cover is a couch that the player wont realize is indestructible untill they hide behind it.

Wizziokid5110d ago

boom, they are right, it's better to be unsuspecting but it's not an easy job

BeastlyRig5110d ago

the best thing about mass effect is that it's on 3 different platforms!

fatalred alarm5110d ago

I prefer the stoyline over that...but okay

The Meerkat5110d ago (Edited 5110d ago )

Venetian blinds vs Chest high walls.

I know which one I'd rather hide behind.

themightychez5110d ago

Did you even read the article? I mean, I guess you think you did because you saw the Venetian blinds, but they were talking about putting them on windows to make it look like Earth. They weren't even talking about cover at that point.

MidnytRain5110d ago

Dyslexia? I don't know, lol.

ATiElite5110d ago

He is really really right about seeing battle before it happens. The Cover system stuff is Ok but how about full destruction that way when a fire fight breaks out you can blow stuff up and make your cover.

anyway nice of the Dev to finally admit to turning Mass Effect into a Gears clone.

MOTY5110d ago

I am a big fan of both franchises, but I am not sure where Don Arceta is coming from here. There is plenty of cover options in ME1 and ME2.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

or the prisoner ship meeting up with Jack

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

There is PLENTY of "arbitrary" object in each level of Biowares Mass effect games.

Don Arceta was out of line taking a jab at Gears. Mass Effect uses just as much "arbitrary" objects as cover.

TheOtherTheoG5110d ago

The point of the article is saying that that's something they could've done better for Mass Effect 2, which they're trying to improve on for ME3.

rbluetank5110d ago

exactly....when i played ME1/ME2; i always knew when and where the fight would began by the arbitary objects laying around in the level design. well said. Moty

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Gears Of War Creator Urges Devs To Make Single-Player Games Amid EA's Live Service Focus

Gears of War's creator has spoken out against the trend of turning established franchises into live services, urging developers to focus on single-player experiences.

Relientk77145d ago

I agree with Cliff for once.

Single player games > GaaS

JEECE144d ago

Too bad he didn't have this opinion when he chased trends with Lawbreakers. Or when he chased trends with Radical Heights.

Popsicle144d ago (Edited 144d ago )

He learned from the mistake or he wouldn’t be advocating for more single player experiences. I find this refreshing in a world where we often see people so stubborn that they tend to double down on a mistake which results in making things even worse. Seriously, good for him!

JEECE144d ago

@Popsicle

Oh for sure, better late than never. And better to somewhat own up to your mistakes, rather than just blaming your release window, or advertising partners, or gamers lol.

anast144d ago

@Popsicle

Of course we will never know his intentions, but it's hard to believe he is just a naive agent that is learning from his mistakes.

-Foxtrot145d ago

He could have done one himself after Gears of War but he did Lawbreakers…look how that turned out.

RaidenBlack145d ago

Not converting Jawbreakers into F2P was the final nail in the CliffyB coffin.

Knushwood Butt144d ago

Jawbreakers would have been a better name! Heck, I might just go and trademark that right now.

BISHOP-BRASIL144d ago

@Knushwood

Aren't those a kind of candy already?

coolbeans145d ago

You're missing the point. His studio's short lifespan is what *inspired* him to make this comment in the first place.

-Foxtrot145d ago

Oh I know the point...I'm just stating the obvious and how stupid he was in the beginning to jump on a trend he had no real experience in. A first person hero shooter with heavy GaaS elements is a lot different than the multiplayer in Gears of War.

He'd have been better creating something like Gears of War again, a great single player story and a good online mode.

coolbeans144d ago

-"A first person hero shooter with heavy GaaS elements is a lot different than the multiplayer in Gears of War."

I mean... you're kinda muddying terms when Gears has always had a strong multiplayer component. Even if I grant you that, Cliffy B started cementing himself at Epic with Unreal Tournament, which was among the earliest shooter series to have "proto-GaaS elements" (downloadable maps, cosmetics, special editions that bundle stuff together). Lawbreakers and Radical Heights (were it finished) weren't major career shifts to him like they would be for, say, Fumito Ueda.

Regardless of that, it's still kinda useless to state the obvious when CliffyB himself made his comments with the benefit of hindsight already.

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CrimsonWing69144d ago (Edited 144d ago )

Look, these a-hole publishers can do this, in fact I want them to, so they can f*ck around and find out and fail hard scaring away everyone else from doing this live service push.

This industry is run by some of the dumbest corporate pieces of sh*t I’ve ever seen. They spend stupid amount of money with literally nothing that stands out from games from the previous generation (look at Arkham Knight to the $200 mill Suicide Squad comparison vids), you’re overpaying devs, and you focus on games as a service to milk consumers that a lot of them grew up off traditional games. We’re not idiots, we sniff this sh*t out and won’t touch it.

So, what’s your answer to not getting a ROI? Raise game prices and double down on GaaS so you can suck your consumers dry. That model only works for some games and even then how in hell do you expect it to work with multiple games!? They’re ruining the damn hobby with this corporate greed.

Cut back on dev budgets, cut back on how much your staff is getting paid, until sales for games bring in a profit. That’s the answer and make some games that feel like there’s passion behind them, not some cookie cut up game that feels like the entire existence behind it is to offer as little as it can with repetitive bullsh*t and selling off all this content throughout its life. It’s gross.

anast144d ago

I agree with every point here.

Redemption-64144d ago

Games do bring in a profit, it's the greed that is killing the industry. Here is a fact, live service games overall make more, significantly more money than single player games

What you should be asking is executives not wanting continuous growth or firing them. Saying devs should be fired when those who are fitting the bills and setting unrealistic expectations would make things worse. What do y9u think would happen if they released say, 30 single player games and over half of them fail? You are going after the wrong crowd.

DankSinatra144d ago

About time he learned. I guess he finally stopped blaming everyone else and took accountability for his mistakes and realized that people really don't care that much for trends or live service.

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Report: Gears of War Trilogy Collection Will Be Multiplatform and Available on PS5 Day One

A new rumor suggests that the Gears of War Trilogy Collection is real, with it launching on the PS5 day one with Xbox and PC.

LG_Fox_Brazil150d ago

Yeah, I can totally see that happening. My only doubt is if they are going to announce that at the same time as the Hallo Collection or if they will try to distance both announcements to try to ease the pain

helicoptergirl150d ago

This same insider was correct about Forza Horizon 5. So this might be true. But I heard rumors are the Halo:MCC is the next big one to be announced. We'll see I guess

DefenderOfDoom2150d ago

I am hoping Halo:MCC comes to PlayStation .

Cacabunga150d ago

Someone check on Obscure Observer please

piroh150d ago

They should announce dedicated showcase for all Playstation ports, it would be less painful for their fanbase.

Anyway thank you Team Xbox and Phil i will support the games.

Profchaos150d ago

Phil should wear a crash t shirt to that

Profchaos150d ago

I see them being in the same year but halo coming alongside ns2 and if e day is early next year gears collection could come at Christmas time

The_Blue150d ago

Ease the pain? You do know these people won't even entertain us irl, ironic 😭

1Victor150d ago

NOOOOOOOOOOOO screamed an obscured observer from across the room the street.
Well I’ll check it out DAY 1 🤣 I hope the do a good job porting it and don’t have issues like MCC did when it first launched on s/x🤷🏿

Mr_cheese150d ago (Edited 150d ago )

This will be cool

TheEroica149d ago (Edited 149d ago )

Ease the pain? Pain for who? Lol. More games on more platforms is a gamer friendly approach. Locking games behind hardware is archaic and lame... Let's not turn into corporate stooges.

TheEroica149d ago

4 corporate suits voted me down. Shame. Pro gamer all the way.

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Lightning77150d ago

I remember talking about this with someone on the forums and they made some good points. Like what exactly are these old games doing at the moment? They pushed the hardware and did everything they needed to do for that platform at the time. Now in MS case even their new games are gonna be day and date but if we're taking about old games. Those games are just sitting their not doing anything anymore. When you port the old stuff to another console, that game has life again and move few more units and a new audience.

As I said Xbox is different because their stuff is inching closer and closer to be day and date. Though both Xbox and PS have old games that are just sitting around when they could have new audiences and breathe new life into the older exclusives.

Terry_B150d ago

Just imagine how well collections of older Nintendo games would sell on pc, xbox and playstation...

NotoriousWhiz150d ago

I honestly don't expect Nintendo to gain much from releasing their games on 3rd party consoles. People are conditioned to buy Nintendo games on Nintendo hardware. Once that changes, Nintendo will probably lose out on revenue as people pass on their underpowered console to wait for their game to release on a superior console. Tons of people only have a Switch for exclusives, and those exclusives sell better than most games on the other platforms and Nintendo is able to pocket the bulk of that revenue since it is their game on their console.

Profchaos149d ago

Not very considering rom packs have been eaily accessible for years now it's only really GameCube and above you need to pick and choose because the game size is fairly large and the Wii IMO didn't emulate well considering the motion controls.

So as incredible as they are I doubt they would sell unless they are overhauling them somehow but then again I wouldn't want to see them overhauled but that's just me I still play the NES version of Mario 3 over the SNES all stars version as a example because I think it looks better.

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Sonic1881150d ago

All you had to say was Microsoft is a third party publisher now

Lightning77150d ago

Huh? They clearly are what are you trying to get at?

rlow1150d ago

That still makes and releases a console…..which knocks them out of the third party club…..nice try

Sonic1881149d ago

@rlow1

A third-party publisher that still releases a console? Sure, whatever makes you sleep at night. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what they're trying to do.

generic-user-name150d ago

The Series X/S backwards compatibility to their old classics was one of the last few selling points for those consoles.

RaidenBlack150d ago

Finally Gears 2 & 3 coming to PC !

neutralgamer1992150d ago (Edited 150d ago )

Exactly I also hope we get a fable collection since fable 2 never came to Pc

I hope we also get gears of war 4 on Pc too since only gears 5 is on steam along with tactics

ninjabutt13150d ago

Gears 4 is already on pc, maybe not in steam but its in xbox app

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isarai150d ago

Where's the goalposts gonna go now? 😀🫳🍿

helicoptergirl150d ago

Get an obscure person to bend over and then I'll show you :)

Chevalier150d ago

They're too busy crying in a corner and being served crow again though. Pretty sure everything is going to voicemail.

goken150d ago

@helicoptergirl
Normally with articles like this the person you mentioned is usually obscured from observation 🤣

Profchaos150d ago

Revenue same as always Microsoft don't care about community it's reputation and they've never been worried about losing loyal customers if you recall the Kinect era they abandoned the hardcore entirely to pursue the hardcore gamers grandma

Outside_ofthe_Box150d ago

"Where's the goalposts gonna go now?"

"It's just old games sitting around doing nothing! Might as well get money from it and a new audience you can use to potentially make it exclusive again for next gen for them to be enticed to jump ship!"

~New goalpost

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Outside_ofthe_Box150d ago (Edited 150d ago )

"Eventually Sony will likely be forced to do the same"

Is that you begging for games that you once bashed in the past? Too funny, things must be dry in your land.

Chevalier150d ago

"aren’t selling as much as Xbox - and the answer will be that they are on less platforms."

No they won't because Xbox doesn't announce sales numbers at all. So how would they compare these sales? What idiotic logic. These shareholders going to pull numbers out their backside?!

thorstein150d ago

Why doesn't he just use the one account. How many N4G tabs does he have open with different accounts?

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neutralgamer1992150d ago

Why do you need goalposts? More gamers will get to play games. Phil said it few days ago again no game has any red line around it. Seriously man it's gaming and your choice of plastic box makes no difference

It's 2025 enjoy gaming on any platform. We should be celebrating how the Biggest gaming publisher is allowing their games to be played on all platforms but how can we get that when some people feel the need to take victory laps

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Chevalier150d ago

Well hate to say we told you so. But we called this happening as soon as we saw these big purchases and falling sales, but, a whole slew of people said this would NEVER happen. Goalpost keep moving too as if it's some weird flex.

thorstein150d ago (Edited 150d ago )

TBH, Forza, the Indiana Jones game, the next Elder Scrolls, and I hope Fable will make it over. I'm excited about those.

I don't think MS going the Sega route would be a bad thing. Nintendo and Sony are making good hardware. There's no reason to not make profit off of that.

But the goalposts moving is in reference to people who constantly approve and post disingenuous stories that they scream are true.

For instance, "you can build a comparable PC to a PS pro for $700," conveniently leaving off the OS. Or, "Sony delisted HD2 in 170 countries" when in reality, it was 170 regions of which SteamDB lists as having over 3000 regions.

neutralgamer1992149d ago

Chevalier

What is this with we. Yes most of us saw this coming and all I am saying is it's a great thing for gamers on all platforms. We should be celebrating the fact amazing games will be available to all of us instead of taking some victory lap because of a plastic box

Chevalier148d ago

"What is this with we. Yes most of us saw this coming and all I am saying is it's a great thing for gamers on all platforms. We should be celebrating the fact amazing games will be available to all of us instead of taking some victory lap because of a plastic box"

Cool and it should be celebrated. But this idiotic narrative is that it was done for us as consumers needs to die.

Lots of idiots trying to reframe this when they literally argued that this would NEVER happen when we said yes it will because Gamepass isn't profitable and sales losses all round and add in lower hardware sales and it was obvious

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1Victor150d ago

@isarai: “ Where's the goalposts gonna go now? 😀🫳🍿”
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The goal post is going home crawl into the shower open the flow and start crying while rocking back and forward i obscured by the darkness of the room.

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helicoptergirl150d ago

I haven't played any oif these games either. Will buy and go through the campgains for sure. They a co-op correct? Hope so

Yui_Suzumiya149d ago

They're amazing. If you ever played Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine then you already have an idea how they play.

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Mass Effect Companion Tier Ranking

One of the best things about the Mas Effect series is the companions you meet along the way. So here is a tier list of all the companions from Mass Effect!

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IAMRealHooman204d ago

Bro missing companions: Legion, Grunt, Samara/Morinth, Javik, EDI

anast204d ago

Legion, Zaeed, and Jack are my favorites.

RiseNShine204d ago

To think that Bioware at some point was capable of doing games like this, you see those characters and remember them like good old friends, and now check ME Andromeda, Anthem, Veilguard etc and wonder what the hell happened.

anast204d ago

They lost too much talent.

IAMRealHooman204d ago

some in andromeda are decent, I agree with peebee and Vetra being good companions. Except Liam he's trash tier

anast203d ago

Liam lol I can't stand that dude.

IAMRealHooman203d ago

it's like bitch but your shirt back on, your not blue or spikey get away from me