It looks like gaming developers are praising the new blu-ray, classing it as 'useful' PS3Portal went and found out why.
Only partly right. Streaming on 720p is the standard not on 1080p. And it won't be for the next 5 years. The lifecycle of this new gen of consoles. And uhm... This is said by one of the few main exclusives of the PS3. Who thought they would say something else? So a few games with multiple discs. Would that be a problem? It would only be a small percentage. Just like a small percentage of last gen consoles used DVD-9. The rest was on DVD-5 Single Layer. You know what's a real problem? That the largest cost driver of the PS3 is the BetaBluRay. With 350 dollar costprice, it's more expensive then the GPU or CPU. Those two parts should be the most important of a GAME console, it's not a videoplayer. Sony just wants to push it's non needed format period. And who says that streaming and downloading games won't be here in 3 years? No larger discs that can scratch needed anymore the BR investment for nothing...
I have... In fact, I can switch between the two on my cable settopbox -- and there is a world of difference eventhough my flatscreen doesn't support true 1080i (it has a resolution higher than 720p but lower than 1080i). For HD-material on a good flatscreen, there really is no competition. And regarding 1080p, most high-highend LCD TV's this coming holiday will support true 1080p resolution (here in Europe anyway) and in the coming years it will be the norm for even middleend. Blu-Ray v HD-DVD
- four reasons I believe HD-DVD is on top right now: 1) 1 layer v 2 layer - Blu-Ray so far only uses one layer because of manufacturing problems, giving it a capacity of 25GB. HD-DVD uses 2 layers for at total of 30GB storage. 2) Choice of codec - eventhough both formats supports the same codecs, Blu-Ray has chosen to ship initial titles in MPEG2 which only performs well at high bitrates. Because of 1) Blu-Ray actually has to use the same or lower bitrates than HD-DVD, giving HD-DVD a clear advantage on quality. 3) Players available - Both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD has only one player available. Both had their problems but Toshiba seemed quickest to rectify them. 4) Movietitles - HD-DVD has more titles on market, giving consumers a greater choice of software. - four reasons I think Blu-Ray will become the dominant format: 1) 1 layer v 2 layer - Blu-Ray will eventually (hopefully this year) work out the kinks and ship duallayer discs, giving it a greater versatility in choice of codecs, plus possibly more extramaterial, better soundquality and so forth. 2) Choice of codec - because of 1) Blu-Ray will have the possibility to choose which codec performs the best for a given title, while HD-DVD is more or less forced to use higher compression codecs because of the limited space available. Sony believes they can get better quality from highbitrate MPEG2 at the moment, than from any of the supported lowerbitrate codecs. 3) Players available - most hardware manufacturers support Blu-Ray, while only a limited number supports HD-DVD. Number of manufacturers matters because that will help drive prices down and cater for more consumers taste in design. Even if only 10% of PS3's sold will actually be used for Blu-Ray movies, there will still be more Blu-Ray users than HD-DVD users by years end. 4) Movietitles - Blu-Ray has the support of the majority of movie studios by far. Blu-Ray has not "really" launched yet. That will happen this coming holiday and titles will "flood" the stores compared to HD-DVD. And please don't use the "price argument"... So far both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are highend equipment and both are too expensive for most people to consider -- for now. But I believe PS3 will help to kickstart the process of getting prices down... And so far software prices for both are about the same.
First off, who are you to tell any GAME DEVELOPER they are partly right? Please mart, understand that you don't know anything about game development or the standards of the industry!! Can you provide a creditable link for that information on exactly how much the blu ray drive inside the PS3 cost? I mean official info... If you don't like what the developer says about this generation that's fine but don't act like you someone who has any experience on developing games, point is your not the expert and your opinions don't mean shyt!! Just because you listen to every negative rumor about the PS3 doesn't make it true!! You act has gotten really old my green friend at least do us the favor of coming with new information!! If we can't even believe the views of game developers then who should we believe? Analyst, fanboys?
I shouldnt help you out TheMart cause you hate PS3, but ill back you up this time. The Truth, you want proof, here you go. http://www.ps3.net/newsboar... if you look at the bottom and see the tagline Price, I list all the prices of stuff in the PS3, and OMG, would you look at that, Blu-Ray is 350 bucks, which, srry TheMart, is exactly the same price as the GPU and CPU for the PS3. So having said this, PS3 is the best of all entertainment under one machine.
dude.. i know u try to help out.. but the fact is that thing is just "approximate estimation" figures.. nobody knows how much all those things cost except for Sony.. the real and official figures hasnt been released yet by Sony.. so nobody really knows how much that thing cost... its just a guess of what the price should be and not the real one... BTW, The Truth.. dont listen to The Mart.. just ignore him... it make more sense if u ignore him than if u try to argue with him and the likes of him... its pointless...
Thank you hyper!! I stand corrected... But I still stand by my opinions views and objections to the Marts post and I expect a mature reply by 360 number 1 fanboy!!
This just in...............Game devs say game controllers and fast video cards are also "useful" for gaming.
Don’t encourage them :)
THE TRUTH, TheMART is right though. You won't hear EA saying that BD is useful for gaming. Or Konami. Or SqE. These fellow(s) are paid by Sony to make these games. These fellow(s) have to look nice and shiny in front of Sony. These fellows need to praise Sony and its technological achievements. So anyone hiding under Sonys paycheque will pretty much cry out any positive information they can find. It’s not bad, but it can’t be taken seriously. When all common developers like EA / Konami / THQ etc will start praising BD then I’ll believe it. Not selected sources that are paid right now to like it whether or not they actually do like it. Money sings, and Sony has enough money to make people sing a tune they want to hear. Don’t worry though, I’m sure your BD games will look great. Question is, with all this pressure from Sony to fill in the void will developers focus more on gameplay (polishing the bugs and what not) or will focus more on filling the void?? There’s no visual difference on the darkness between the ps3 and the x360. PS3 version will come with movies that people can watch and enjoy. So, there’s one dev telling you that BD isn’t really that useful for gaming.
We won't hear EA saying BD is useful for games? Well, I heared: "The delivery of high-definition games is becoming increasingly important to us," said Scott Cronce, Electronic Arts Worldwide Studio CTO. "Blu-ray Disc has the capacity, functionality and interactivity we need for the kinds of projects we have in mind. The copy protection and Blu-ray Disc's strong commitment to this issue is a real plus as well." http://www10.dcccafe.com/nb...
Many developers have given blu ray praise its just your to closed minded to see it! No way in hell can you tell me 360 games look better on HDTVs than PS3 games, 1. PS3 hasn't been released yet and 2. PS3 game support 1080p!! If you wanna be a fanboy that's fine by me, its your money but don't come here talking you BS without any official info to prove any of your claims or rumors! Sony paid this person and that person I'm so tired of hearing your excuses, you don't know who Sony paid and much more important WHAT they paid for so just STFU with your misinformed fanboy rumors!! BLU RAY has more support and ask the developers of RFOM what they think of blu ray and how it helps improve the GAMES!! I mean isn't that what is most important here? GAMES!!
So, basically any news even fanboy news that are mainly positive (even if they’re rumors soon to be debunked) you’re going to take them seriously? You’re the one who’s close minded. I want the BD to become the next big thing, I also want the HD to become the next big thing, but when I do see devs working under Sony praising Sony’s technological achievements, it says nothing to me. Absolutely nothing. I’m not close minded, I’m very open minded. It’s media. You learn it in high school. When you do get there, and when you learn something about how companies constantly lie to get the leading edge on consumers then you’ll realize how pathetic your opinions, based on other paid opinions, really are. It’s simple as that. I don’t listen to paid opinions. :) Neither should you, unless you like living in fairy tales. Chirst. Even Microsoft employees (other devs paid by MS) have said BD isn’t that important for videogames and it’s a waste of gamer’s cash. Who are you going to believe now? They’re devs. You should listen to them. They’re absolutely right! You’re the one who’s close minded. You simply are so biased you’ll oversee any flaws, ignore every lie, and accept every empty promise. But, I won’t judge you on your opinions because you’ve yet to have one. PS3 supports 1080. Fantastic. And? Graphics mean nothing. PS3 can have the “bestest” graphics in the whole wide world, but you’ll need a decent tv that supports 1080 to actually enjoy them. Oh, haven’t PS3 titles recently been severely downgraded? I don’t know, I read it somewhere. Doesn’t that mean it won’t have the graphics your eyes have been constantly bleeding off? PS3 VS 360 graphically will tie. Absolutely tie. 360 gamers don’t need a fancy expensive TVs that supports 1080 to actually enjoy beautiful graphics. PS3 gamers do. When 360 gamers will look at their games playing at highest possible output at 60 frames per second they’ll say, “They do look better than anything on the PS3” and they will be absolutely right. As will PS3 gamers who’ll look at PS3 at the highest possible output. It’s all fact. You can have both and you’ll only see a difference if you’ll look for a difference. Otherwise you won’t find one. So don’t throw your kindergartner books at me, child, just because I’m not blind. I’m open minded, I look at things from every possible angle. You’re the biased one. You’re the blind one. You have no opinions, on Sony, of your own. How can I take your pathetic name calling seriously?
That was a fabulous post my friend. I personally prefer the PC over either console, but you have opened even my eyes. I hope everyone that visits this site reads that post. PS, "The Truth" just got smashed.
...this dude wakki isn't up-to-date. Truth is EA is backing up Blu-ray: "The delivery of high-definition games is becoming increasingly important to us," said Scott Cronce, Electronic Arts Worldwide Studio CTO. "Blu-ray Disc has the capacity, functionality and interactivity we need for the kinds of projects we have in mind. The copy protection and Blu-ray Disc's strong commitment to this issue is a real plus as well." http://www10.dcccafe.com/nb...
the devs are loving the ps3 more than the 360 now...and the mart u said that sony pays them to tell these lies, but i havent heard alot of devs liking the 360, or at least as much as the ps3.
Look wakko, just because your intellegent enough to out sentences together doesn't mean you should, and it damn sure doesn't make you right! First off I own a 360 and I haven't been happy with it, which is my opinion. I don't think MS is pushing the limits of console technology and really it seems to me like they went the quick cash route! My opinions I don't hate MS I'm just not happy with there approach especially when they are the underdog and they seem to not be willing to go the extra lenght to beat the champ!! Those are my opinions MS Same Gen media drive, same Gen controllers, improved cost driven online, not 1 truly impressive AAA title one year into console, overpriced undersized harddrive not standard so developers can't take full advantage, What is truly so NEXT GEN about it? That's what pisses me off about it. Now on to your small rants about my approach to 360 fanboys!! Its simple they hark on the same BS until they get proof from facts snd then they say well its not important because Sony paid them, they are lieing, ect ect ect You asked for developers insight and when its given you tell me Sony pays everyone, then you say Sony doesn't have enough money and is going under, I mean come on which is it? Let me get to the point which is on Nov. 17 and in the months following so called gamers such as yourself will not come to this site anymore because you will have lost this so called console war!! Fact is I won't be here either but that is die to a whole different reason... Time will tell us which company is the King and which is a simple speed bump. I tried to side with MS but they hung me out to dry for a whole year and I will no longer support such a company that refuses to raise the bar
True these people are paid and need to praise Sony, but you think that the devs from MS's camp aren't doing the same, saying that we only need dvd (which is the cd of this next gen).You guys are just blinded by hatred. According to you guys, why not just switch between a kajillion cd's, that would really make the console cheaper. I just wonder were you guys crying when the switch was made from cd to dvd. Also you all say that devs are just lying for Sony and that bluray too much space, then riddle me this batman, WHY THE FOCK DIDN'T MS PUT HD-DVD IN THEIR NEXT-GEN CONSOLE. I tell you why, so they can sell it as an add-on (bringing a 20gb Xbox360 to a whopping $600) and you guys are, as I said so blinded by hatred that you say "At least MS is giving us choices" the only choices you have is wether to A)keep buying batteries for your "wireless" controller. B)fall into MS sweatly laid trap and buy the $20 wireless charger kit (which brings the "wireless" controller to $70) or C)buy the $50 Quick charge set.(I see why Billy is so rich)So I guess the only real choice you have is with or without lube. P.S the HD-DVD add-on is only for movies, also MS sneaky PR screwed you again because devs don't know if you have a HDD or not so it really won't be used like with the PS2.
Anyway you want, but the price of a ps3 and its accessories still add up quicker. How are PS3 controllers charged? I bet, since Sony has copied everything else MS has done, the PS3 will have a play-n-charge kit, etc. as well! And it will probably cost more! Quit sucking Sony's d1ck and wake up, you fu#$ing 1diot!
Don't you know "Money Talks"..These DEV see money, Good/Kind words will follow...
Oblivion, one of the biggest, best, most amazing games on 360 only uses half of the storage capacity of a DVD9. How is this possible? Good compression techniques, etc. With the larger storage space on Blu-ray discs, devs can be lazy and just throw everything on there uncompressed, etc. Blu-Ray drives read data at a slower rate than DVD drives, so having all this uncompressed data will lead to horrendous load times. Unless you want to install the game on the hard-drive, but once again the uncompressed data will take up huge amounts or space, especially on the 20gig version, so you could only have one or two games installed at once. Of course Developers like technology that makes their life easier, i.e. allows them to be LAZIER!
First I think the PS3 is going to be fun. It is a game console with good games ready to released. But most people’s opinion out side of PS2 fans that hope the PS3 is what gets rid of the XBOX360 is mixed. Like mine. I hope the PS3 dose well but I will not buy one until I see the system be a complete success. I have a 360 and have been watching the PS3 closely. But I am not exited yet. The Xbox was a thorn in the side to a lot of you PS2 fans out there mainly die to its raw power and online service. That is your only problem and it is ugly. If the 360 had an HD DVD drive and the PS3 used DVD9 you would be calling us stupid xbots for running behind Microsoft and supporting every thing they throw at us like hungry roaches.
PS3 controllers are charged thru USB ports. No extra batteries or chargers required.
instead of milking them through hidden costs and fees. $20 to recharge your wireless controller? My god, what has this world come to. Thankfully, the USB cords required for PS3 controllers can be bought anywhere, regardless of brand and price.
Thammer said "If the 360 had an HD DVD drive and the PS3 used DVD9 you would be calling us stupid xbots for running behind Microsoft and supporting every thing they throw at us like hungry roaches." Hey, your analogy. If PS3 used DVD-9 we'd be pretty pissed. And though we and the PS3 developers would be mad at Sony for not going with a next-gen media format, we would also question why Microsoft would choose an inferior format for next-gen in the first place. Blu-ray stores a hell of a lot more data per layer, and can support more layers per side than HD-DVD. So if MS chose to put HD-DVD as their standard format, a lot of eyebrows would be raised.
and if you don't believe us, just watch the germany video at the bottom PS3 page one
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