PlayStation 3 top of the pops as Xbox flops (Europe)

James Rivington reports for Tech.co.uk on 23 Oct 2007:

PS3 sales have seen a huge spike since the console's big price cuts early this month. The European reduction in the cost of the 60GB PS3 and the introduction of the £299 40GB one has sent Sony's baby screaming up the console league table.

At the same time, Xbox 360 sales crashed through the floor; Microsoft managed to shift just 37,303 of them in that week.

Does this latest news suggest a significant shift in the fortunes of the ongoing console war?

[krackchap]

wow 3 reports already,lol at insecure bots

[Nostradavis]

Simple econmics if you ask me. Not really a suprise.

[toughNAME]

from the reports section some people do seem desparate

but this IS one week...i dont know if I would call it a 'flop'

Sony and the PS3 brand already own the rights to the word 'flop'

[ericnellie]

where credit is due. To some this might not be suprising or considered simple economics but, no matter what -- this is still really good news for the boys and gals at SONY. They have worked through a lot of negative press, price issues, delays, and a whole lot more to get to where they are today. Good job people and keep up the good work;)
They've still got a long way to go but, in my opinion, they are starting to go places with this PS3 gadget;)

[Sam Fisher]

just b/c of mgs 4 and ff series ...THATS IT, no killzone(too many chances and it sux...portable and home console)i wouldve said dmc but WE all no how that came out

[ReBurn]

It looks to me like the Xbox 360 needs more games. I know that the PS3 has gotten a bad rap for not having the software support that it needs, but the 360's holiday lineup isn't exactly looking pristine, either. I have Halo 3, and it is a good game. I'm looking forward to Mass Effect, too. But what else is there?

Microsoft needs to step it up. They need to cut the price even further considering the box is now two years old and they need to put out some killer software. And it wouldn't hurt to further cut prices on older titles, too. There's no reason why Gears of War should still be $60, no matter how good it is.

[bluebrad1974]

360 needs games?

[sjappie]

PGR4, Orange Box, COD4 and Assasins Creed next month. And some other smaller games. Not satisfied?

@ below Why does it matter if those games aren't exclusive, they're probably better than most ps3 exclusives and people can play them for the smaller amount of money on 360. And what? PGR4, Bioshock and HALO just came out and are exclusives. Then you got Mass Effect coming this year. What ps3 exclusives came/are coming out the last 4 months of this year?
Uncharted, R&C, HS, Warhawk. That's 4 exclusives for ps3 and 4 exclusives for 360 in the last 4 months of the year.
So, according to your logic, ps3 needs more exclusives to.

[ReBurn]

Only one of those games you mention is exclusive. The 360 needs NEW first-party games because a library of year-old software isn't going to carry the system. Sorry. I love my 360, but Microsoft really hasn't announced anything new and exciting.

[ceedubya9]

The 360 does need another price but, and even for some of its games. However, I don't agree with your opinion of the 360 needing more games. Just because Mass Effect is the last big exclusive the 360 has coming this year doesn't mean that it is the ONLY GAME coming this year. Sure, a lot of those games are multiplatform, but that still plays into Microsofts favor since said games are identical (and sometimes better) on the cheaper console. The good news is that the PS3 has plenty of games for PS3 owner to play/look forward to. But I don't think that a larger number of exclusive games that may or may not be good for the PS3 means the 360 lineup is hurting.

[Ju]

Make that a couple more.

PS3 has Haze, Folklore, Time Crisis 4, Uncharted and Ratchet, plus, if you want Lair and HS, Warhawk and Eye of Judgemnet. These are the exclusives from August to December (actually November, nothing in December so far) opposed to 360s PGR4, Bioshock, HALO, Ace Combat 6 and Mass Effect (and 2 or three smaller ones like SceneIt! or Viva Pinata2).

Out of that list, only Ace Combat could sell me a 360. But to be honest, if you compare these two lists, there is an attempt to create more variety into the 360 line up, while the PS3 already has it - with a one year shorter market penetration. This is the main difference, IMO.

[Vavoom]

Uh, what's the best selling game at this moment on the PS3. I'm willing to say RFOM and probably Motorstorm. Are those not about 1 year old. Please stop making sh!t up as you go, most of the time you guys contradict whatever you said the day prior.

i.e. "I'm fine with the games out on the PS3" Counter = The xbox 360 need games (Even though they have more games than the ps3)

"MS has too many skus, they are just confusing the public" Counter = 20gig, 40gig, 60gig, and 80gig ps3. (all of which are approved by sony fanboys.)

"A year old game library is not going to carry a console (xbox 360), counter - the games carrying the PS3 right now MS and RFOM are a year old. (Theory failed)

"Xbox 360 only shipped 37,000 thus a failure" Counter = PS3 sold 7k in same market a few weeks ago (No mention of a failure there)

I could go on and on, but what's the point. You guys actually remind me of a bunch if juveniles with no sense of responsibility. Just run you mouths and don't worry about what was actually said.

Both sad, and embarrassing. BTW, I own a ps3 also, but I really don't care to much for a lot of you PS3 fanboys, you really take the fun out of have the console, because there's no way in hell I'd wanna play online with you. (Because as a whole you're too annoying on this site.)

I know this doesn't hold true for the majority of the PS3 Fans, but the few are really ruining it for the many. And the same thing can also be said about the 360 fans.

[jaja1434]

To Vavoom...

If I could hug you, I would. But I can't, so I'll give you a bubble instead.

[ReBurn]

I'm really not interested in what the top selling PS3 game is. That doesn't factor into what's going on with the 360 in any way. My post wasn't intended to be a PS3 vs. 360 comment. I have both systems, there's no need for me to take sides.

Vavoom, there was no reason for you to go on your anti-PS3 tirade there. In all of that you didn't make a compelling statement contrary to what I said. All you did was bash on the PS3. Aside from Halo 3 and Mass Effect, what games are going to differentiate the 360 from the PS3? If I'm missing something then let me know.

[joydestroy]

that's why you should own both of 'em. you don't have to worry about how many exlusives one or the other is getting.

out of all the games mentioned....
Uncharted, Haze, Warhawk (maybe, haven't played it yet), and Mass Effect.

even though i've had my 360 longer, after the holidays i'll have more exclusives for my PS3 which i just got a week ago.

people like different types of games, but i'm happy with the PS3 and 360 lineup.

[Sam Fisher]

buy both systems dont need to wrry bout exclusives and any ways none of these will die anytime soon they have too many hardcore fans to let go of the systems(except wii , i mean seriously i no they have die hard fans but come on just let it go and die)

[KINGDRAMA]

play beyond rrod

[sjappie]

after halo3 surge. They sold a sh*tload of consoles last month. This is just downtime before the holidays.

[resistance100]

Actually in europe halo didn't have a massive impact in console sales

[Mikey_Gee]

We all know this site is riddled with fanboys, but truth be told (admit it or not) .. NEITHER CONSOLE has flopped. And guess what kids .. NEITHER WILL.

Of course the PS3 is hot right now ... it JUST PUSHED OUT the cheaper 40 GIG model. It is the same as the 360 topping when Halo 3 was pushed out. Then you will also see the sales level out or even drop. Not because it is a FLOP, but because everyone who wants one and was waiting for this price drop will be after buying it. I don't see folks running out and buying a PS3 (same as a copy of Halo 3) each and every week to keep sales very high. I mean think about it .....

But to call either a true success or a flop is just plane face ignorance. If you want true numbers, wait till each console is out for the 5 year mark, go back and review and then see how it turned out. Now who will win ???? Who knows and who cares. But I will tell you this .. "NEITHER WILL BE A FLOP"

I really wish folks would get over this fanatical, to the death fanboy attitude toward their console. I mean if you go by this sites antics, you would never be able to have PS3 and XBOX 360 fans in the same room for fear of them killing each other.

Now how stupid is that.

[Ju]

I agree somewhat. What Halo3 did to the 360 sales spike, the 40G model did to PS3 sales right now. However, in case of the PS3, the 40G model sold 60/80G machines (80 in the US, because the price went down before the 40 hits here).

People rush to get a PS3 with BC before its over. Doesn't mean, the sales won't stay. Now, after that will be gone, the PS3 is (almost) on par with the 360 price, and games will there be plenty around Christmas. ($399 is a price, which I think would justify the additional features even for people with a lower budget).

I think, if the 360 price stays (I don't expect them to lower the price, except they are really forced to - and make an even bigger loss), the PS3 will stay afloat. The Halo effect is over, now its more about the line up. The 360 has some blockbusters coming, but so has the PS3. I also hope, Sony, after the big $499 success, will keep a big box model in the lineup ( a) BC and b) card readers).

I don't think, the distance will be so dramatic in the future, though,

[ukilnme]

Great comments. There's room for all platforms. I hope they all stay afloat.

[Daishi]

Bubbles for mikey and ju for mking since! Does it not seem that every week or everyday even you hear 360/wii/ps3 sales blowing away the competition how will their competitors stay afloat? I remember these debates between the PSP and DS years ago and look at both those consoles...

[dantesparda]

"I really wish folks would get over this fanatical, to the death fanboy attitude toward their console. I mean if you go by this sites antics, you would never be able to have PS3 and XBOX 360 fans in the same room for fear of them killing each other."

Amen, to that brother, amen! (and im not even religious, lol!) but i like this stance you have. Keep up the good work buddy, you got my respect and backing on this. But its true! they are only video games systems, and the level of hate they create amongst each other cant be good. But oh well, what else should we expect from a bunch of dumb little kids or dumb adults?

And p.s. 24 agrees and no disagrees so far. Impressive!

[IntelligentAj]

Damn good point!!! Unfortunately no matter hwo much this is repeated you'll still have people who would prefer to have console win as opposed to taking in all the good competition and realizing who the main beneficiary is from all of this:us GAMERS!!!!

[Mikey_Gee]

Thanks for the positive feedback guys. I am even happier to see that I am NOT ALONE on my views

* gets down off soap-box and pops open a beer *

QUOTE:
main beneficiary is from all of this:us GAMERS

** BINGO ** hit the nail on the head

[AnalFace]

ahahahaa!! silly little bots!!! ahahaha!! Europe are falling for Playstaion again.

Deal With It.

Edit: Sales will go through the roof this xmas, the 40gig is the winning console IMO. The 360 elite is a failure, they put a crappy 120 gig HDD on it and a HDMI and expect people to buy it, Ha! not forgetting the failure rate, Hmmmm over 30%!!!

Ms should give up :)

[sjappie]

You must've been really scared if this news makes you all happy and victorious. Handle this: Sony sold 64.000 units this week, and it was a very good week. So, in the best case they sell 256.000 consoles a month. The difference between total 360/ps3 sales is at least 5 million, as we all know. So, if 360 completely died right now, witch it won't, Sony would have to keep selling 256.000 consoles a month, for 20 months, to even equal 360 sales. I know you people will disagree but it is what it is.

LMAO! This is so funny, look at all those disagrees, lol. How can you disagree with that? Some people just can't be reasoned with. Lamers.

[Mr_Kuwabara]

Think of the 360 as the Sega Dreamcast. The Dreamcast had a 16 month head start over the PS2, and yet the PS2 surpassed the Dreamcast and toppled there sales like 13 times what they had already sold. (They sold like 10 million or something)

Now I'm not saying that the 360 will die like the Sega Dreamcast but it just comes to say that you cannot judge the figure sales on a console now in there first month/year of life.

Give it time bro.

[Mikelarry]

i just read that the 360 had the biggest sale according to the npd results. fanboys make me lol. its all good when the 360 has a bad rap but wasnt it just a few days ago we heard sony begging developers not to quit on thier system.

[Daishi]

Well you don't need games to sell a BR player, but I will say that the 40gb will do for Sony what the 20GB already has. If your going to buy what's considered the most high end console why would you get the ghetto version?

[P4KY B]

by Feb 2009

[Grim]

and that is a success???!!!!

[WilliamRLBaker]

all the ps3tards keep saying sony is winning europe........they are?
last I checked Wii, DS, we're kicking the crap out of the system in europe....lol its gonna be funny if sony gets 3rd or 2nd behind Wii!

lets not forget Xbox 360 only dropped by 5000 units, the Ps3 from the week prior dropped by 10k.

[nix]

suddenly people remember Wii!

[Rooftrellen]

But...but...*thinks of nonsense fanboy gibberish* it's just to GC duct taped together, so its last gen!

"Then GC outsold PS2 last gen."

But...but...Wii is next gen according to some people.

"Then Wii is beating PS3"

But...but...

[ps3gogetitt]

Remember the PS3 did the same thing with the first price drop but it didn't last, please guys don't get excited until you see this for at least 2 to 3 months straight, 1 or 2 weeks is not enough to get exciting over.....

Caution guys, lets see if this last before we start to celebrate uncertain victory, REMEMBER the FIRST PRICE DROP

[sjappie]

for people with sense. Bubble!

[Irving]

If you remember, the price drop itself didn't last a month. As soon as Sony went out of stock for 60GB, they introduced 80GB for 599$ again. This price drop however, is here to stay.

[sjappie]

that has been selling so good last week.

[nix]

and look! everyone is running towards it with a torch! q:

[Sevir04]

LOL!!! thats so funny... xbox fans are trying to defend and PS3 Fans are having a blast. LOL!!! both camps are speeding towards the Gas tank with RPGs and Flamethrowers >>> another stupid post just to satr anoother meaning less war...

yes pigeons Yes, Fly right into the Fire. lol!!!

i'm outta here, no sense in sticking around in this thread, off to scoure the web for ratchet reveiws

[dantesparda]

Thas was funny Nix, i like that

[Sez]

wow two weeks and sonyfanboy are claiming sony is on a come back. sony did the samething in july when the price drop only diffence this time is the holiday season is coming. so ps3 number should be going up not down.

[Synex]

The difference this time around is that there are now games coming out for it. Well the ones people keep talking about atleast.

[Sez]

what games. R&C is the only one that will generate high sales. haze is new and unproven so is uncharted. so unless you brought the system already. i don't see people running out to break their neck to get one for these games.

[chrno]

well mass effect is also unproven, so why is everyone praising it as an AAA title then?

[Sez]

because ME is made by bioware. which make good games. name one game bioware screwed up on. i'll wait.

[IntelligentAj]

Because a game is made by a certain company that virtually giarantees it's a success? Come on man.

[Bazookajoe_83]

Wait a month and see

[kss]

remember this day my dear gay xbots this is the start of an new era the ps3 age has began

[BloodySinner]

... you are retarded.

[mighty_douche]

my friends which own a 360 (i have a lot) have all said that when they bought their console (some at launch) that if the ps3 was avaliable at a 'sensible' price they would of bought that instead. in fact about 5 of them have since the price drop.
at the end of the day the 360 had no compition for a year and now the prices of the 2 machines are closer i think you'll see this reflect in the sale.

anyway, im a gamer, i dont care about sales figures or fancy looking pie charts and im not sure why so many of you do.

[ry-guy]

Me too. But me personally, I am waiting for another price cut (maybe next summer time) and much volume to the gaming library.

I know there are good games available NOW but I want to save some money (time and sanity) by buying them down the road when everything has seen price slides.

[Leg-End]

but it won't appeal to many people compared to games like halo, rachet or uncharted - that's one of the issues the original xbox faced

[Ju]

Another one is AceCombat6. But, I agree, I am curious how that sells on the 360. That was a PS2 title all along. I am curious to see if that will be recognized on the 360 or if it will only be a so-so sale. The "hardcore" bundle (and price) won't help, either.

And then.. after a month or so, I hope they'll announce the PS3 version :) This variety was always a strength of the PS brand. With MassEffect and AceCombat its coming to the 360 (a bit). But the PS3 is countering with Ratchet, Uncharted, EyeOfJudgement, Folklore (which I think belongs in that list - even though not that recognized - but since the last demo, I would put it in here).

And them, there are a ton shooters coming out. With a lot of AAA- titles shifting to 2008, Haze will be one which can make a diff in 2007 (CoD4 is multiplatform, so is Assasins Creed, etc.).

[Bazookajoe_83]

I just have to disagree about ace combat, it´s maybe the worst game ive ever played, onpar with gundam.

This is just my oppinion, but i cant find any logic to why anyone would like this game.

Edit: I only mean ace combat, mass effect will be cool..

[blusoops]

I'm also gonna have to agree on Ace Combat. The graphics are killer, and very realistic, but I played the demo on my friend's XBox 360 and truthfully I found it somewhat boring. I'd rather be in a Warhawk or Nemesis!

[Ju]

I can agree about Ace Combat. It's not everybody's taste. However, I just like flying action games, and the only other (next-gen) game is Blazing Angels, ATM. The visuals where always stunning in the series and pushed the envelope (even though, its mostly sky in the environment). That said, I think this genre enriches the 360s portfolio. And, if it would be on the PS3, it would do there, too. I know its not a system seller, though.

[kss]

because sales have a direct effect on games

[lov2bugu]

i really really think that sony will catch up once GT5, killzone, little planet, and MGS come out. sony always work slow all the way up, i still think that you need to compare the xbox 360 to ps2. its just not fair to compare it with ps3.

its like comparing nascar car with f1 lol

[hardcorehippiez]

those that rise quickly fall quickly. sonys machines never have had a great 1st year bt yet they are the most successful, hmm i wonder why that is

[kss]

the ps3 will set the world on fire

[LoydX-mas]

it must have started in southern California.

[Daishi]

ou sir nearly made me shat myself from laughing too hard, Bravo! And you have probably the best pic I've ever seen.

[Bladestar]

wow... PS3 sells goes up as obviously predicted due to price drop... and this equals Xbox flops!? I doubt it...

[SmokeyMcBear]

sneaky bastard changing names and creating multiple accounts, you should be reprimanded

[Bladestar]

That's right.. SmokeyMcBlunt.. if Sony fanboys abuse the system again and remove all by bubbles because I have an opinion... I will simply create another account... using.. another account name if I have to.. or even another domain email address.. or even a different proxy or a range of different IP addresses... bottom line... I can't be "reprimanded"... Period. Get over it.. the sooner you do the better.
Removing people's bubble simply forces people to create another account. it's broken because Sony fanboys abuse it. and simply does not work... abuse the system.. and I will continue to make new accounts... how you like that?

[MikeGdaGod]

don't you know the rules of the "Matrix"???

LOL!!!

[mirroredderorrim]

It's a shame you weren't in one of the 1500 homes that burned.

[DeZimatoR]

In the USA, the only place where the 360 is outselling the PS3 atm.

And IMO, that won't last very long...my prediction is that the PS3 will start surpassing the 360 in sales in the USA from the moment MGS4 is released.

Could be sooner though, who knows ;)

[TheMART]

"Finally, we face the elephant in the room: the PlayStation 3. Prior to its June price adjustments, Sony was moving 20,000 systems per week. The June price adjustments doubled sales initially and we assumed that they would level out near 30,000 systems per week, but instead have dropped dangerously close to 20,000 systems per week again.

Sony's response has been to adjust prices down again. They now offer a $500 80Gb model and a $400 40Gb model which lacks PlayStation 2 backward compatibility and a few extras ports. Anecdotally, the October price drop for the 80Gb model appears to have been less well planned than its June introduction, as fliers the week after the announced drop to $500 still reflected the higher $600 price.

The real problem for Sony and its PlayStation 3 is that the clock is running out. With each passing month, more and more owners of the 40 million PlayStation 2 systems sold in the United States are making a choice of a new videogame system. Judging from the sales numbers, many of those people are either choosing the Nintendo Wii or the Xbox 360. Each of those buyers is significantly less likely to purchase a PlayStation 3 once they've purchased a competitor's machine, especially as long as the PlayStation 3 remains at its current price.

Certainly the software picture could brighten Sony's fortunes in 2008, but one senses that it may be too little and too late."

Short PS3 peaks, constant 360 sales... mmhhhh

http://www.next-gen.biz/ind...

[Meus Renaissance]

With the line up Sony has next year and probable price cut sometime 2008, they will easily sell atleast 15million consoles that year - doubling this years sale. The Xbox 360 will ofcourse naturally still have the lead and it's lead will grow; but the question is will Sony's sales be large enough, and constant enough, to eat away Microsoft's lead month by month?

I think we'll have a clearer picture by the end of next year. If Sony don't dominate hardware sales next year then it's over. But with its software lineup that potential is not in doubt in my honest opinion.

This year there aren't the big franchises and system sellers comparable to e.g. Halo 3 which gave the 360 an additional 500,000 units plus to its sales armoury, so Sony will rely on the price and its brand name. Next year, they'll rely on a newer price, their brand name, and the big franchises.

It's not over till it's over but no one can logically argue that Sony will win the console wars at the moment.

[Pika-pie]

As long as Sony can stay in the game until Spring then they have a very good chance of making a miraculous comeback. I dont need to rattle of the titles due between Feb-Apr next year, you all know what they are.

Sony has enough to keep the system going over Christmas (although its a shame about UT) So I think they will be just fine.

[Primetimebt]

Your stupidity just is so amazing to me. The funny thing is you actually have no clue wtf your talking about and you actually believe yourself. I stop after I seen 40 million PS2 owners.

[Meus Renaissance]

40,000 odd consoles a week for Microsoft isn't bad as it sums up to 160,000 a month but with the software line up it has and will have, its certainly meant to sell alot more than it is currently but I'm sure American sales will take it to around 300,000 a month atleast.

Sony, having around 70,000 a week comes around to 280,000 and with the US price drop, they could hit 500,000 for the first time since launch in global sales.

But, there's a catch. Logic dictates that after price cuts we see a significant sales surge and this drops dramatically after the weeks and months following. So nothing is concrete for Sony. One thing is certain however, they need to maintain weekly sales like this globally in order to sell a few million before 2007 and thus compete with Microsoft. But that's unlikely in my opinion.

If it did happen though, it would be probably ring alarm bells for Sony's competitors. I still believe Microsoft should drop their price to solidify and fortify their position though. But if they drop the price, they will go against their plans to start profiting on the business by 2008. And which is more important for them? Profits or keeping the competition back further?

Sony's success this holiday will rely as much on Microsoft's decisions as it will its own decisions. But regardless of what happens, people will buy more PlayStation 3's than ever and that is critical to appeasing 3rd party publishers to keep support and life into the platform into 2008 and beyond.

[PimpHandHappy]

was the last month MS will have had the lead in sales!

I myself dont really care about sales because i know Sony has made a great machine that doesnt break and will have alot of great games when its replaced in 5-6 more years. It is also a machine that was created for 1080p HD with blueray.

Sony loves you

[Saint Sony]

Some poet made a really nice title... hah, PS3 girls are getting more and more desperate. 360 flops... LOL

[BlackCountryBob]

I wonder what the numbers would have been like if GTA4 had been released as planned last Friday (boo delays :( )

[mighty_douche]

does anyone actually give a f*ck about sales numbers? i know alot of you appear or claim to i still fail to find a reason as to why.

im a ps3 owner and to be 100% honest i really couldnt care how many units more the 360 has sold. next year all games i want are either multiplatform or ps3 exclusive, thats why i bought it. as long as the ps3 has support and keeps getting great games i dont care if it sells 10,000,000 or 100,000,000.

everyone seems to go crazy for sales figures as if its some form of personal success, when in reality we're just gamers not M$/Sony execs and all this is pointless... and dont try replying with the whole 'developer support' crap, once both consoles are above 10,000,000 no developer will want to turn their backs on it.

play at games not being analysts.

EDIT @ PWNSAUSE, dude thats the same arguement as 'more developer support', did you even read my comment?

i remember back in my SNES days, ill i could think about is whether Sega sold more consoles that week.... pfft

[pwnsause]

you have to care about sales numbers, low install base means less 3rd party games appearing in a console.

[mesh1]

guys we all know the ps3 has already lost the console wars the sales now mean nothing to the WII/360 as 360 has 7 million more install base than the ps3 and it will continue to grow buy the time ps3 catches up with all its price drop the next generation will be here.

[HarryEtTubMan]

Youe an idiot 16 year old boy, I can tell. Trust m,e when it is all ssaid and done PS3 will outsell the 360 by ALOT.

[gololo]

"guys we all know the ps3 has already lost the console wars the sales now mean nothing to the WII/360"
lol...dude there are millions of last gen users (mainly PS2 users) waiting to upgrade...when that happens we will see who wins the war...but as it is...the war is wide open

[Meus Renaissance]

As long as it helps you sleep at night, you can think and believe whatever you like. Your not harming anyone or changing anyone's opinions - other than regarding you, but that is your choice.

[Mc187]

yup thats all i have to say about that

[cmrbe]

Do you know how to add.
Ok i will make it simple for you.
PS2(Only) installbase = 120 million.

x360 = 12million + wii = 12 mill + PS3 = 5 million = 29 million.

With these numbers how can you say PS3 has lost. The console war is far far from over.

[eagle21]

japan and usa sales will hike in november and stay healthy to MGS4 where they will begin to really grow 2008. Just accept it, I saw an simpson game commercial last night for psp, ps2, & ps3 with the playstation 3 chime at the end, no 360 moniker, the game looked first party. Good for PS3, ea obviously is fair. I also saw a nice new singstar one for the white ps2 with rihanna S.O.S. Then 5 blu ray ones including spiderman 3! All on vh1 during 1 show, in the usa. Sony is stepping it up, please believe it.

[djevolve]

20-Oct 13-Oct
Wii 117,671 98,395 +20%
DS 137,931 95,082 +45%
PS3 23,405 26,685 -12%
PSP 62,171 66,153 -6%
Xbox 360 126,589 141,563 -11%
US SALES YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT

[Meus Renaissance]

This shouldn't have been approved with a title like this. It's just begging for trouble

[mighty_douche]

problem is that most people dont appear to even read the articles anymore, they just read the brief synopsis at the top of the page and judge the story on that.

[mighty_douche]

double post.

[goodganja]

Nasim and I have been saying it for how many months? Dominationstation 3 has been killing 360 in Europe. People DO NOT WANT AN XBOX. WHY SUPPORT A SYSTEM THAT IS MAKING NO MON3Y????

Micro$hit's only focus is computers, not consoles. Which is why Garbagebox never turned a profit. Please do yourself a favor and trade your lol360 while it's STILL WORKING.

In Europe, consumers arent stupid, they know that PS3 is a reliable console with Reliable games and Reliable exclusive.

PLEAS3 Trade in that crapbox
PLEAS3 Get with the program and buy Dominationstation 3
PLEAS3 Jump Out of the sinking ship
PLEAS3 Cancel Your XBOX Live acct. and get the same service for FREE
PLEAS3 Save your money and get a built in HD player and not the DVD drive
PLEAS3 Be smart about what you're doing here. XBox has nothing to offer
PLEAS3 realize that while Microsoft is too busy installing falcon chips, Developers are coming to grips with the Cell Processor.

P L A Y B 3 Y O N D

[kalle]

Do your mom and dad abuse you?

[waldopepper]

Dear Mr Crazier-Than-A-Bag-Of-Spiders

What is this victory you speak of? Does the first company past 20million units sold get a medal, a televised winners ceremony with the 2nd/3rd place companies being told to stop producing their consoles?

All these 'Sony failz', 'Microsoft will lose LOL' posts are ridiculous. Competing products can all stay in the market and to be honest, more competition will drive future innovation and make YOUR console better so why do you desperately want the competition to fail?

PS saying 'PLEASE' so much really does make you sound desperate. Are you a Sony stockholder or something?

[SmokeyMcBear]

PS3 has never even seen a CHRISTMAS in europe yet.. this is crazy

[Foliage]

And so it begins...

[Myth]

How many Christmas's has the 360 already seen?

[ukilnme]

When will all of the 360 hating and PS3 bashing jack@sses ever STFU and enjoy what they have?

[SmokeyMcBear]

360 Christmas' - 2
PS3 Christmas' - 0

funny isnt it

[Vavoom]

I'm sorry, did the PS3 not launch in November of 2006, remember the 360 has a year head start not 2. Which means that PS3 has had a Christmas, funny how you forget the things you want to.

Here is where you guys become inconsistent. You are always tauting the fact the the ps2 is outselling the 360 also, yet you never mention the the ps2 launched October 26, 2000 in the US. Which gives it a 5 year not 1 year headstart and the games library also advantage on the 360. And the same 1 year headstart on the regular Xbox.

Why are these arguments valid for the PS brand but no other. I really don't think that the 1 year headstart is really valid anymore. How do both systems look at the 1 year point in comparison. You don't here cleveland complaining that the redsox have been in MLB team longer that they have do you. That's because winners don't make excuses.

So with that being said, if you want to be seen as a winner, stop making excuses whenever you are on the short end of the stick.

[SmokeyMcBear]

im sorry but we are talking about europe.. maybe you should read titles and storys.. whats is it.. ohh right.. RTFA there ya go

[Myth]

Last Christmas does not count sir, they were sold out everywhere you couldn't buy one if you wanted to.

[Maddens Raiders]

I think people the world over, are starting to see the *real value in the PlayStation 3 and longevity-wise, that it's the best console on the market hands down.

[SECRETzSQUIRREL]

Coming from a Hardcore ex-xbox fan I can tell you that I saw this coming last year. Simply put wether the other 360 fanboys want to admit it or not, the majority of the original xbox fan base is fed up with a defective system, sending it in every other month for repairs and being screwed out of Xbl service and content (paid content that can not be played offline after you get a repaired unit back)

A price cut by sony is what most people, including a very large amount unhappy 360 owners have been waiting for. Anyone with half a brain will invest there money on a PS3 system that is reliable compared to the biggest console flop in gaming history, Yup a whooping 30%+ defective rate and the headaches of waiting a month or so for a beatup refurb to replace there shiny new 3-red light brick.

The sad part is even after almost 2 years the 360 systems are still dieing premature. Simply go to the Xbox hardware forums and read for yourself. More & more 360 owners are jumping ship every day and Sonys price cut is just what they have been waiting for to make the change.

For those that want a good laugh go read the xbox forums and take a look at the gamerscore of the owners reporting there DEAD 360's which come in daily. This score Represents just how much that system was used before it died. You will notice gamerscores of 200-800 and alot around the 1500 to 5000 mark. Now keep in mind that each 360 game when completely played through give you a score of 1000 each. Now do the math, a gamerscore of a dead console under 1000 means the system was barly played at all yet it still died to with 3-red lights.. lol

Again , I used to be a faithful xbox fan and to all other xbox fans all i can say is sorry guys it was fun the few months it lasted but the 360 system is crap and you know it. Stop screwing yourself , MS is unable to fix the problem, even with the new heatsinks there still bricking.

For those few who just got the 360 system and are running your mouths saying the 360 is the all great system etc.. Your system will die, its just a matter of time. Then and only then will they admit the 360 is a failure. Some people just have to be bipped in the head before they can see the truth. In this case its 3-red bips.

[razer]

My 360 works great, going on almost 2 years now, get's played a lot.

Sorry that you had a bad experience on the 360 but don't speak for everyone..

Your whole gamerscore theory is completely bogus and basically the whole post makes you sound like a cry baby.. Enjoy your PS3

[SECRETzSQUIRREL]

Wheres your gamercard? Most likely newbie to the 360 world. The gamerscore does hold weight and you should know that if you have played the 360 for awhile, which I cant tell because you dont have your gamercard on your N4G profile.

Anywho The proof is in the pudding, no one has to take my word for it , infact I advise everyone to simply vist the Xbox Forums. Im speaking for the many many many of 360 users who dont vist, Post or even know about sites like this.
Better yet read just a few posts that came in today from actual 360 owners on xbox forums, in there own words. And when your done why dont you reply to them and tell your fellow 360 owners that they are lieing.
Here simply click the link to read it from there own mouths & notice there gamerscore.
http://forums.xbox.com/1627...
http://forums.xbox.com/1626...
http://forums.xbox.com/281/...

Like i said you will learn the hardway my fellow xboxer, your time will come and it can not be avoided. Enjoy your system while you can and read the xbox forums when you send yours in for repairs while you wait a good month for the refurb. And i wish you teh best of luck on teh refurb as many others have had to send theres back the day the get it, going through 5+ systems in the repair loop.

Ohh and by the way, I dont have a PS3 instead i went back to PC gaming however If i were to go back to the console I would choose a PS3 simply because it is much smarter investment, very Reliable, more powerfull then the 360 and great games are starting to come out for it.

[waldopepper]

"For those that want a good laugh go read the xbox forums and take a look at the gamerscore of the owners reporting there DEAD 360's which come in daily. This score Represents just how much that system was used before it died. You will notice gamerscores of 200-800 and alot around the 1500 to 5000 mark. Now keep in mind that each 360 game when completely played through give you a score of 1000 each. Now do the math, a gamerscore of a dead console under 1000 means the system was barly played at all yet it still died to with 3-red lights.. lol"

mmmm really crazy theory that doesn't sound like it's based on reality at all. I know several 360 owners in 'real life' that have had their 360 since day one but don't have a gamer score over 1000 or 2000 and lots of others with a score under 5000 that have been playing with me online since day one of the 360 who I would consider 'high' users - different gamers treat their games differently. I like the feeling of getting as much gamer score as possible but a lot of gamers play a game mainly online (without getting the offline achievements) or simply like playing lots of games a little rather than few games a lot for a higher score.

[Vavoom]

So what are you now an evangelast for the PS3. Okay, you didn't like your 360 and you switched. The PS3 a great console, enjoy it. But I have to agree with Razor, you do sound like a sore angry whiner. For all I know you could have used a 2-day or 30 day live gold card and was too cheap to buy the full 1 year live subscription.

The fact that you are shamelessly on this site spewing your guts out like a woman scorned shows what you are willing to do anything to reach your agenda. I have a PS3 also, but I have no need to bash the wii because I don't own one.

"Again , I used to be a faithful xbox fan" If you own a 360 for the short amount of time that you claimed that you owned it. Maybe you should look up the word faithful.

Honestly, I think you're full of Sh!t!

[Maddens Raiders]

I don't think it was much of SECRETzSQUIRREL's "theory" as much as it was maybe those people that have had theirs since launch have had their 360's bricking as well and not so much that they're newer units bricking. All in all the forum numbers do show an alarming amount of failures whether Launch consoles or not.

And why does he have to be an "evangelist"? I mean if the PS3 was bricking all of the time or scratching discs and someone came on saying how they've switched to the 360 now and "go look at the PS3 forums" would they be an evangelist as well, or just a wary consumer?

[jmoneezie]

Why does some people feel a need to add their pointless comments into a conversation. haha, I would call someone an evangelist too if they were preaching the way squirrel was doing. Man, these dudes are a joke, it's as if they need one another like members at an AA meeting.

Kinda pathetic. Not to mention they are all repeating the same thing, sh!t is like a zombie movie..lol "I hear voices, but the voices are repeating the same thing....AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHH H! my ears are bleeding!

[SECRETzSQUIRREL]

Lol that was pretty Funny man, I expect little meaningless replys from blind, snot nosed fanboy like urself, If you would have even read the post you would have seen that I DONT OWN A PS3 YET. And if you would have checked my Xbox GamerCard you would have seen I HAVE BEEN ON SINCE LAUNCH AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GOLD, then if you would have read my profile you would have seen I WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL XBOX LIVE BETA TESTING. If thats not faithfull i dont know what is..lol
Yet you hate me because im not afraid to stand up and speak the truth, I dont kiss no ones @ss and i say it like it is.

Call it what you will but the fact is im not saying the PS3 is the greatest system that ever was lol Im only stating the facts and my words have alot more weight then most of you xbot fanboy wannabies Punks.
Sorry your to caught up in the console wars to see the facts. However My posts are simple and the truth infact i even provided links to 360 real gold member 360 owners stating teh same thing ...lol you are just looking like a comlete fool trying to defeat what i posted. Just Face it man the 360 is in real trouble and its all downhill from here.
As for crying like a woman, You would see it that way.. lol The fact is I and many other Real 360 owners know the truth adn we will continue to share the information with others who are considering buying a 360, Dont blame me that teh 360 is junk, blame MS for making this junk.
Im not the one dsscontined the core xbox360 and then choose to add a few cheezey $5 aracde games include it with the same defective core system, Give it a new SKU 360 Arcade and unload all my defective product on the public...lmfao That was your good buddy Microsoft.
I know the truth hurts but Live, Learn and stay clear from the 360.
Peace.

[Vavoom]

Thanks for clarifying you comment. I can respect where you're coming from. I stand corrected.

[Relientk77]

i like how they say "top of the pops" like were talking about some overplayed pop music or something :)

[montavious]

You cows are spazzing out because they sold 60K consoles in Europe a month?? 360 is still selling 5:1 in the US, well more than enough to make up the difference and that after your precious price cut! And now we're claiming Holiday 07 already for the PS3?? If anything they couldnt hold off on the price cut, I predict it will fizzle out just as the first price cut did.

[SmokeyMcBear]

thats exxaacccttllyyy the point.. these sales, which average out to 250,000 a month... and its NOT EVEN CLOSE to christmas yet.. you just proved a point buddy

[KILLZONERICAN]

XBOX 360 IZ FALLIN DOWN FALLIN DOWN FALLIN DOWN.....360 CAN HAVE ALL THA GAMEZ IT NEEDZ ITZ STILL GOIN 2BE DEAD LAZT WHEN THA PS3 TAKEZ OVA 2 BAD SO SAD...HAHAHAHAHA!

[wangdiddy82]

europe and japan from here on out.. i dont see the 360 ever selling well in japan and i dont see it selling any better in europe.. Halo 3 is done. That was 360's savior..

Now the ps3 just needs to take over the USA and this will happen at the end of this year maybe or in 2008..

[LONEWOLF231]

Make sure your words dont make a 360 turn and bites you in the ***!
I dont see the PS3 dominating any time soon, last time i heard SONY was begging Developers to stick with them.....ouch thats a new time low for SONY!

[LONEWOLF231]

Well good for Sony, funny thing is that they needed a price cut to beat MS in sales!

[tk]

This is still early days. Heck - the previous gen saw people becoming obsessed with the console "race".

All three will do well. XB360 mostly in USA. Sony in Europe. And Wii in... well... everywhere.

Heck - I tried one out - and I will most probably get a Wii if the PS3 does not get a similar thing to the Wii controller. I really rocks. With the PS3 lineup finally gathering steam, many will start upgrading from PS2.

[Mc187]

that ring a bell

[prowiew]

I dont get it. What do people(consumers) win if one console win in sales over the other?.

[Kazzik]

The first time the PS3 dropped price guess what it sold well for a month.Guess what happened when 360 had a price cut it sold well for a month.Are peopel that silly to call sony the winner and xbox a flop because of a couple weeks or even a month?It is called a trend sheesh people how do these get jobs writing this drivel.

I also get a big kick out of the fanboy who says M$ needs more games than Sony now that is funny. I do think Sony has a much stronger 2008 lineup and will make this competition closer but come on man are you serious?You forget when someone goes to buy a console EVERY SINGLE game is an option so when they walk in there they have alot to choose from on M$ and no so much on sony like GOW,BIOSHOCK,Halo 3,Mass effect,Forza2.PGR3&4,Saint s row,viva pinata and many more not to mention every single third party gamne sony has so please do not make yourself look like such an uneducated person and just zip it up hehe.

[HondaSIRowner]

I keep saying this F**k!!!! the 360 had its AAA titles released too early and were close to one another. All that's left exclusively is Mass Effect.

When the Price cut happens here in North America, PS3 will sell like crazy!

MoneySoft rushed out their games fast within a short period of time. This is where the word "lifespan" comes in to play!

[djevolve]

SO I WOULDN'T SAY THEY RELISED THEM TO EARLY I CAN'T EVEN CATCH UP I GOT SO MANY GOOD GAMES ON XBOX

[mikeslemonade]

The 360 just introduced new skus with games so it won't be for a while before they drop the price. The PS3 in the mean time will catch to the 360 in Europe. And then the only territory the PS3 needs to catch up will be North America which is overated. You need to win atleast 2 of three territories to win the war. Winning just North America is meaningless.

[ReBurn]

Can you point to the page in the video game rules of engagement where that little tidbit is written?

[waldopepper]

"You need to win atleast 2 of three territories to win the war" um are you confusing real life with Risk? If so then you're right you can't hold North America on it's own - you have to hold South America and eastern Asia and pile-up armies on the chokepoints. Also don't bother trying to hold Europe because it gets attacked from all sides.

[cmrbe]

I hope this would make 3rd party developers a little bit happy

[jazzmanb]

the thing is, is that mass effect is bigger and better than the whole ps3 holiday lineup...uncharted looks decent,but deffenatly not a killer app...when im playing halo3,bioshock,orange box,gears,madden 08[60fps] pgr4,and soon to be cod4 assasins creed,ace combat 6 and mass effect..how the hell do i have the time to play all these amazing ass games..seriously the 360 has too many great games..dont even get me started on the amazing 08 lineup...the 360 has TOO MANY games,thats the truth.. p.s

the difference between the ps3 and 360 is the games...multiports play far better on the 360,and the 360 gets amazing exclusive games,while the ps3 gets good ones...ratchet looks cool,and if i had a ps3 id give it a rental,uncharted kind of looks like a high def tomb raider ,though the graphics dont look that great,just high def...well see if the ps3 gets 1 killer app this year,but so far the verdict isnt good,especially with unreal getting pushed back..

[riskibusiness]

I think you must also factor in the quality of the mult-platform 3rd party titles in your choice of which console you buy. If you have multiple game systems, then this is still a valid argument when choosing the platform you will be buying the game for? It is clear which platform is the best to date.

[BodyBag]

Look at what Mikey Gee wrote. It's near the top. We are here to play good video games. Who cares about what system you play them on, just play the games you enjoy and quit taking for granted the freedoms we have. Things could be alot worse.

[GothicDeunan]

it's all about choice and having fun no matter the system.

[pshizle]

ps3 is a flop already 5million 1year give me a break

[mirroredderorrim]

I found this quite funny as the person who posted it has a high ranked status of 17,000+ achievement points off his Xbox Live service.
(this is why I am scared to buy the system a 2nd time)

Things have changed !

"On system #2 they gave me a free Kameo game , on system#3 they gave me Gears of war and on my #4th system a free not working wireless headset BUT ON #5 they will give me .......NOTHING !

Why ?

because my 4th system lasted over 6 mounths and DID NOT DIE in the first 60 days so I get NOTHING for that but...they will send a 1 ( one ) mounth free online card ..... wow ........What is that like $5.00 or so ?

Well I am glad now that I got the over priced PS3 now so I have something too play every time my 360 go's on V,C . That thing travels the country more than me !"

[AngryTypingGuy]

So what will the headline be when the 360 cuts its price and sales shoot up? Xbox Rox?

[RussianSniper]

What happened to the whole "HALO WINS XBOX 360 LOLZ!"?

Although it is true the price was dropped, I would think since Halo is the best game ever made that the 360 would at least move more than 36000 in all of Europe.

No, no way Halo was "Overhyped" it ROX!

[byaaface]

a bit of good news for sony. :) now if they can just stay at the top...

[360_Rules]

Yeah selling 2-1 is a flop. Then what do you call selling 5-1? LMFAO
The PS3 in North America is a giant Flop!

[specdoTsign]

FLAME BAIT.

[IntelligentAj]

It seems that people are getting overly exciting about 2-3 WEEKS of sales. Please let the market finish it's work before you start making asinine statements especially while throwing around the words flop.

[GothicDeunan]

It's not like you can just report the numbers different, you have to put a silly slogan on it so you get attention. It's like someone standing in between 2 giant corporations like M$ and Sony and saying... did you hear what THEY said? then running over to the other camp and saying... did you HEAR that?!

pffft

Journalism implies you are stating facts and letting the reader decide. This isn't journalism it's sensationalism.

[celticlonewolf]

The usa numbers are in the 360 outsold the ps3 by almost 100,000 units and outsold the wii to sorry I dont know how to post news on the web site go check at vgcharts. Good gaming guys

[EDMIX]

What people fail to relize is that the PS3 has no games and its beating the 360 in japan and in the UK! The 360 has had almost all of its big games come out, Lost Planet, Dead rising, Gears of war, Dead or Alive, PGR3 and 4, Forza, Halo3, Mass Effect and Bioshock and they still can't beat sony in the UK and Japan! THE PS3 is SELLING ON NOTHING, what happens when it begans to have games? the fact that the sales are on pair with the 360 worldwide is showing how much people will buy this system, even though its over priced and has no games, if halo3 can't win the UK and Blue Dragon can't win Japan! MS just lost this one. do you really think the PS3 will have the same sales when Killzone2, MGS4, Gran Trismo5, FFXIII, FFVersus, Home and LBP come out?

[DaEnforcer]

Holycrap guys we have to get loud about this issue, take a look at this:

GameTap 100.0%
GamePro 100.0%
PSM Magazine 95.0%
GamerNode 95.0%
IGN 94.0%
PSM3 Magazine UK 93.0%
GameZone 93.0%
UnderGroundOnline 90.0%
PSX Extreme 90.0%
Gaming Age 90.0%
Gametrailers 90.0%
GameAlmighty 90.0%
Pro-G 90.0%
1UP 85.0%

Nobody ouside of 1UP gave this game less than a 9 and this is not the end of the story. GameRankings ain't really up to date, they is no GameSpot score yet and guess what? gameSpot gave this game a 7.5, holycrap a freaking 7.5. Add to this that link ( http://www.gamespot.com/pag... where Gamestop forbids to talk negative about MS and their games and we know where we at. This needs to get loud, get the blog guys here and report it all over the world. MS is fooling gamers with biased review sites, this crap needs to stop.

[DaEnforcer]

Holycrap guys we have to get loud about this issue, take a look at this:

GameTap 100.0%
GamePro 100.0%
PSM Magazine 95.0%
GamerNode 95.0%
IGN 94.0%
PSM3 Magazine UK 93.0%
GameZone 93.0%
UnderGroundOnline 90.0%
PSX Extreme 90.0%
Gaming Age 90.0%
Gametrailers 90.0%
GameAlmighty 90.0%
Pro-G 90.0%
1UP 85.0%

Nobody ouside of 1UP gave this game less than a 9 and this is not the end of the story. GameRankings ain't really up to date, they is no GameSpot score yet and guess what? gameSpot gave this game a 7.5, holycrap a freaking 7.5. Add to this that link ( http://www.gamespot.com/pag... where Gamestop forbids to talk negative about MS and their games and we know where we at. This needs to get loud, get the blog guys here and report it all over the world. MS is fooling gamers with biased review sites, this crap needs to stop.

[CaliGamer]

Did they do the same thing for the PS3 threads? If so then it seems fair and makes sense to me, if they are only forbidding posting of bad news about the 360 that is sad, and it does beg the question of wether there is more to the story.
I would be curious to find out if this is a rule on all their threads, or only on select ones.

[DaEnforcer]

The have such a rule only for MS and their games, what a shame

[spike]

It dont matter. Do you want games, get a 360. Do you want movies get a PS3. I want games. Its selling crazy in the US. I live in the US. Great online. 360 is for me.

[Evo9]

PS3 is taking over like it or not here they come

[Hockeymac18]

Too bad it doesn't matter that much, as it appears that the 360 outsold the PS3 in NA by over 100,000 systems.

Still, it's good to see the PS3 on the way up for once. Competition is only good for the industry, and having Sony down in the dumps doesn't really do much to challenge MS directly (as the Wii is kinda targeted at another audience (with most of their games, not all)).

EDIT: I'm not sure what people are disagreeing with me about...I'm just bringing the "PS3 victory" down to Earth as I doubt it won this week. And I even said I was glad Sony was doing better! I want them to do well. I'm sorry if I like facts though, as the facts show to me they haven't beaten the 360 (yet)...but I still do want them to do well. I like Sony (well, I like the old Sony...not really the new Sony) and really want things to turn around for them. When I can clearly see, with evidence from all regions, that they've won a week, then everyone can celebrate. Still, it's a good sign...just not a sign of victory. So chill out people.

[honorable1]

Good I hope more great things come the PS3's way. Don't get me wrong I love 360 a lot more than I love the PS3 but strong competition leads to better results on both sides.

[Shaka2K6]

True facts of life.

[leon76]

the end of x360 in Europe!!! LONG LIVE PS3!!!!!

[djevolve]

20-Oct 13-Oct
Wii 117,671 - 98,395 +20%
DS 137,931 - 95,082 +45%
PS3 23,405 - 26,685 -12% PRETTY BAD NUMBERS
PSP 62,171 - 66,153 -6%
Xbox 360 126,589 - 141,563 -11% SECOND BEHIND DS OCT 20

I WOULD ALSO LOOK M$ TO BE DROPPING PRICES TO

[Snukadaman]

This was expected...but now when those 60 gigs are gone..what next...and with news today of pes sucking I think its going too have a major impact on the european market with that ps3 pes bundle.

[PopEmUp]

What do I tell ya it's just the beginning

[Niclas]

Ohh man .. here we go again .. first, my opinion is, too just f*** lean back and play your system..

The PS3 and the Xbox360 is hard to tell which one will end up "the big winner" lolz ..
The PS3 is the best Console .. u might as well just admit it .. (Free internet, blueray, better GPU, better proscecor, and cheaper).. but the PS3's problems is it dosnt have a very exiting game-lineup yet.. (Yea .. Motorstorm, R:FOM, Warhawk, R&CF TOD,) are oka games .. but GoW, Halo3, Forza 2, PGR5, Bioshock, Mass effect, Dead rising is still looking better ;P .. The Xbox still sells better in US .. but the PS3 sells better in Japan .. so there pretty equal, and it will be hard for the PS3 to keep up :P

Btw .. i own both systems and think they both are great in different ways = )

In my opinion the wii isnt nex-gen .. its plain boring tbh.. (A f*** GC with motion..) Nintedo is only making it cuz they coulndt aford 2 make a strong console .. their using the wii to earn money and make the "wii 2" a nice console)

But .. really lean back and play .. forget about this stupid "war"