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The Dumbest Arguments Surrounding the PSN Downtime Controversy

GameFront, "What is it about the PlayStation 3 in particular that attracts some of the stupidest “debate” this side of the Internet? I sometimes wonder if the PS3 is a close third to religion and politics in terms of subjects guaranteed to start a staggeringly stupid fight. While the Xbox 360 and the Wii have their fair share of loyalists, there’s something particularly zealous about those who intimately adore their PS3s, and it seems to inspire a brand of lunacy that is without compare."

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iamnsuperman5171d ago

"Everything can be hacked, Internet security is bad everywhere, this could happen to anyone" the most stupid paragraph on the list. We have no idea how strong Live is and hackers are a determined bunch. The reason why it made front page is because this kind of hack hasn't happened to the gaming industry. This has opened a lot of minds in the industry about security. It just happened to Sony first.

The RROD argument has been totally missed by this guy. The reason why it appears is because articles appear of Sony being doomed. The RROD was a costly mistake by Microsoft which hasn't jeopardised their reputation and sales. The reason why that argument worked is because it is a hardware problem and if a hardware proves to be faulty a lot of people are going to be put off and changing hardware is hard. Its a response to stupid doom articles

Christopher5170d ago (Edited 5170d ago )

***Gamers, man. F***ing gamers.***

Am I to take this statement from the author to mean that he is a non-gamer writing about gamers?

Edit: wait, why is Jim writing for another gaming site now? Don't tell me destructoid.com is cutting back on their bat-s**t insane post quota.

Nitrowolf25170d ago

LMAO
It's Jim Sterling
of course he not a gamer

move along

thugbob5170d ago (Edited 5170d ago )

@iamnsuperman

You are missing the point of the article. The point is people are defending SONY instead blaming them for what happened.

I personally blame SONY for what happened as well as the hackers, but I'm also willing to forgive SONY. PSN being down sucked, but now that it's almost over, I'm over it. Can't wait to start playing online again.

EDIT: A disagree? So it's not SONY's fault that PSN got hacked? SONY is not responsible for protecting our information? I never knew... I guess I'm wrong... At least I'm willing to admit it...

MaxXAttaxX5170d ago

That's all I have to say to the author(Jim Sterling).

Christopher5170d ago (Edited 5170d ago )

I think what people are fixated on is who to blame rather than the whole picture.

Is it Sony's fault? Without a doubt.

Are they the only ones to blame? Nope.

Does this mean they don't care about their customers? Far from.

Should I abandon Sony? Up to you, but if you've enjoyed their service(s) and/or games in the past, there's really no reason you should.

Why is the gaming community filled with such hatred and bias towards the different companies? Because we're only human, and many humans look for someone to cheer for and support over others, just like sport fanatics.

Edit: regardless if Sony is or isn't found negligent of the break in security that lead to the current situation, it is still at least partially Sony's fault. That doesn't mean Sony could have done much to catch and prevent this attack, but they are still at fault for it. That also doesn't mean they were negligent, it just means they weren't prepared for this specific attack.

Edit #2: thug bob said it well below. Neither of us are attacking Sony, only saying that when you look for faults, you have to include Sony in there due to their responsibility involved in securing our data. Even if there was nothing they could have done to prevent it. What's more important now is the lengths Sony is going to to improve the security of their infrastructure now and in the future.

rob60215170d ago (Edited 5170d ago )

@thugbob

While I do think Sony may to blame here - the fact of the matter is Sony is getting sued for this. The government is looking into seeing if Sony was negligent in protecting our personal info. I think you're jumping the gun on blaming Sony, we don't really know what kind of security Sony had. In time, our justice department will handle this. It's perfectly fair to defend Sony, until we really know there was wrong doing on their side. Innocent until proven guilty.

Focker4205170d ago

@thugbob

I don't see it that way. I don't blame Sony at all for what happened. Its not their fault hackers broke through their security.

Just like I don't blame a bank when it gets robbed. I blame the person that robs the bank. I don't say "Hey bank, why wasn't your security good enough to stop that robbery? Its all your fault that person robbed you."

Or someone that murders another person. I blame the murderer, not the victim. I don't say "Hey victim, why didn't you stop that guy from killing you?? Its your fault he killed you"

I know those examples may be a little more extreme but it reflects my views on whose to blame between a perpetrator and a victim. I don't blame Sony one bit in this whole ordeal. There was nothing to justify the breech in the first place.

thugbob5170d ago (Edited 5170d ago )

@rob6021 and Focker420

Fair enough. I wouldn't go as far as to say that SONY was neglecting to protect our information as they did have several security firmware updates, but for people to say that SONY isn't at fault at all is absurd in my opinion.

Do I think SONY should be sued? Hell no. People are just using this as an easy attempt at getting money and I hope they fail in doing so.

It's unfortunate that this happened, but I'm willing to forgive. SONY is obviously putting a lot of effort into making sure PSN is protected this time thus the reason why it is taking long for PSN to be brought back.

Focker4205170d ago (Edited 5170d ago )

@thugbob

I do understand where you're coming from. Just I always think if we never had these hackers, or any thieves for that matter, then there'd be no need for cyber security or anything like that. If we were all honest people than everyone would be fine and never worry about their stuff getting stolen.

Unfortunately this isn't a perfect world and there are a ton of pieces of trash out there that take pleasure in ruining people's lives. Ultimately those are the ones I blame.

Sony did have a security system set up, and it just so happens the hackers got past it. I don't fault Sony for that. I don't expect them to have military level security systems set up just to protect the PSN. I mean who would have ever thought this would be the outcome?

Even systems in the government get hacked, so you really can't expect Sony to stop every attack if the government can't even do it. There shouldn't even need to be a security system set up, but because of people like these hackers there does. And thats why I put the blame 100% on the hackers, not Sony.

DarkTower8055170d ago

@ Thugbob, yes, it is Sony's fault. But it's just as much fault as Firefox, MS and Google when I get viruses through my web browser. I even bashed Sony for a bit, but now I realize that the shutdown was the best thing they could have done, and I think Sony even knew a shutdown to patch security holes was inevitable.

We consumers don't even blink an eye anymore when we get viruses browsing the internet. Sony has 1 breach and people want heads to roll, kinda dumb imo.

rockleex5170d ago

How did this fanboy trolling piece of an article even make the cut?

N4G, where standards go lower and lower each day.

wsoutlaw875170d ago

The truth is we do not know who is too blame here. If Sony slacked on security then its their fault. But, we don't know that for sure so why try to decide with out the facts. You could believe the articles, but they have been shown false when they said everyones cc # and security codes were taken and passwords were completely unprotected.
Either way the person doing it is too blame. A crime is the criminals fault no matter how easy it was to do. Making an article like this is just a way to show hate when jumping to conclusions towards those with a different opinion, and half of the arguments, like the very first one, are false. I love articles who call out fanboys while using clearly biased opinions in the article.

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rob60215170d ago

@IamnSuperman

I agree with you on your assessment, In my college classes for Network security you learn early on that anything can be hacked. The guy is arguing against a pretty standard network security principal.

I don't see why it isn't a good argument that this was the work of determined hackers. If it was so insecure why did it take 5 years for hackers to get to the info? We know recently Sony got tagged as a target for hackers.

B1663r5170d ago

Wow you failed to understand the whole thesis of network security. I hope you didn't pay a lot for that class. I will try and re-explain the concept to you...

Yes, with time and access any lock can be defeated. In fact that is how safe locks are rated, by how long they take to defeat.

That is why you have a security guard standing in front of the safe with a gun. Well he doesn't have to have a gun, but the point of the lock is to delay the thieves until the security guard can call the police.

That is where Sony screwed up. The main part of any network security system is that security guard. He wasn't hired until this last week.

But they also seemed to be lacking any sort of trip wire system...

And I don't care how many firewalls they said they had hooked up, they were obviously not doing anything.

Then the week to notify the public about what had happened... Well that gets back to that security guard that didn't exist.

So to recap, you can have the perfect security system in the world, but if there is no one monitoring it...

You get the Sony PSN breach.

ComboBreaker5170d ago (Edited 5170d ago )

claiming Sony fanboys are zealots, and in the name of their Microsoft lord, must be sent to hell. LOL.

Xbox Zealot: "Your Sony religion is wrong. Our Microsoft religion is right. All Sony zealots must be destroyed."

Sony Zealot: "Why? We're just trying to play our games peacefully, without disturbing others. Why must you destroy us? Can't you just leave us alone like we left you alone?"

Microsoft Zealot: "Because you're a savage and your PS3 religion is wrong. As an American, I must educate you and impose the one and only true 360 religion upon you and the rest of the world."

The Japanese: "We laughed at your feeble attempt to try to overrun our country with your Microsoft religion."

tehReaper5170d ago

Sony Zealot: "Why? We're just trying to play our games peacefully, without disturbing others. Why must you destroy us? Can't you just leave us alone like we left you alone?"

That's NEVER the case. Most PS3 fanboys do NOT play their games and just leave everyone alone. They shove their exclusives so high up they don't even care about multi-platform games anymore. Exactly the opposite attitude that gamers should have.

Games are games, made for gamers. Exclusive, multiplat, it doesn't matter.

ALFAxD_CENTAURO5171d ago (Edited 5171d ago )

Lol, Jim Sterling.

elite-shot5171d ago

Dumb article please dont approve

BrianG5171d ago

One of the dumbest things I keep seeing is "Don't you get it, our credit card information was stored in PLAIN TEXT!!!".

Idiots haha.

rabidpancakeburglar5171d ago

Stupidest article I've read in quite a while. I assumed that the dumb arguments would be the people blaming sony, I wasn't expecting a fanboy article

solidjun55170d ago

it's a fanboy "journalist." (I say that loosely). No one should be surprised it's from monocle fanboy jim.

solidjun55170d ago

Jim Sterling: Stupidest "Journalist" on Earth. I'm sure kancerkid will defend him to the death. >_>

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Ex-dev leader Chris Barrett accuses Sony/Bungie of firing him to avoid a $45M payment

Chris Barrett was one of the prominent developers who was fired a few years ago during the Me Too scandals that hit the game industry.

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gold_drake197d ago

girl, 8 women reported you.

thats how that works. u wrre not "entitled" to anything.

shouldnt have been a creep.

DarXyde197d ago

"While that sounds despicable, Barrett was accused of crossing the line between professional and personal behavior. In the course of its journalistic investigation of the Me Too scandal, Bloomberg interviewed eight people, including multiple women who reported Barrett, as well as other Bungie employees who were either involved in the investigation or spoke to the women involved."

Yeah, sounds like you did it, dawg.

jznrpg197d ago

I’d avoid paying you 45$ mil with all those problems you brought

gold_drake196d ago

thats what i thought too haha

pwnmaster3000196d ago

On who.
8 girls reported him.
He is trying to save by putting blame on something else other then the situation he put himself in

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Here's how PlayStation's 30th anniversary London Tube carriage looks

PlayStation is celebrating its upcoming 30th Anniversary by letting you sit on its logo while riding the Victoria Line in London.

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MaximusPrime_213d ago

Reminds me of Sony's other awesome PS promotion in London, such as OXO tower and London underground roundels. All with shapes replaced with PlayStation's iconic 4 controller shapes.

Awesome promotion, Sony!

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goken213d ago

Awww… i wanna ride that train!

Die hard Xbox fans be like “I’ll catch the next one”

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Kadokawa Confirms Interest From Sony in Official Statement

Kadokawa has confirmed interest from Sony in an official statement, clarifying that nothing has been decided yet.

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lukasmain220d ago

Lock it down Sony and lets get Bloodborne 2 and Demon's Souls 2 cooking.

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Miraak82 220d ago (Edited 220d ago )

I'd rather FS work on ER2 or new Ips that they can actually own just incase they ever break away from Sony if this happens, wouldn't want them to become just Sony ponies for their neglected IPs . On the upside of this though I wouldn't mind having an actually Sony 1st party rpg developer which I feel they're lacking . My feeling are mixed on this without even considering the monopoly they would have on the anime/manga side of things

oldenjon219d ago

Seeing as ER is essentially open world dark souls, do we really need ER2 / ds5 so soon?

DarXyde220d ago

Can't they just be contracted by Sony?

Without the acquisition?

goken219d ago

They can be contracted but… it’s like you can call up a girl/guy/others and hook up now and then, then one day you think to yourself “maybe we should go steady” 😛

GamingSinceForever219d ago

You’re focused on a small portion of the deal. Kadokawa is a large media company which is who Sony is after. FromSoftware is only a portion of the deal.

Asterphoenix219d ago

Well the bigger picture is the novel/manga part of the industry of Kadokawa and Sony owning a good portion of the anime companies in the US . Well Sony would contract them again if they could but From Software is too busy doing its own thing.

CrimsonWing69219d ago

Yea ever since Tango Gameworks got dissolved, I’m not exactly gung-ho on acquisitions.

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neutralgamer1992219d ago

These things never used to leak. Now so much stuff leaks ahead of time

Lionsguard219d ago

Leak? It has to be public information, they're both public companies.

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gold_drake220d ago

currently, the kodakawa enterprise is worth a wooping 4 billion dollars. according to google. might be wrong

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jznrpg220d ago

If/when Sony acquires Kadokawa I hope it means that anime games can start to be a lot more than they are now. The stories are fleshed out they just need to add quality gameplay/environments. It makes financial sense to me since you have anime fans and gamers who would buy these games if they are high quality.

maniacmayhem220d ago

Is Sony trying to be a monopoly and keep games out of the hands of gamers? Or is this different?

jznrpg220d ago

So MS should only be allowed to acquire publishers and Sony should sit there? This is a consequence of MS’s actions. This is why we didn’t want ABK to go through. It’s too late to complain now

maniacmayhem220d ago

Are we going to accuse Sony of the same actions then?

You really believe if ABK didn't go through Sony wouldn't be interested in this company now?

Bless your tender heart

thesoftware730219d ago

That is besides the point, there is stance you took against this type of acquisition/monopoly type situations.

It's about you word and your stance..with the it's ok posture you are taking now shows you only find outrage when it fits your nonsensical fanboy, console warrior BS lol

Your word and "Stances" means very lit

glennhkboy219d ago

The nature is different. Kadokawa is more renounce for their extensive rights in Japanese literature, films & amine. Gaming is actually their least known business. If Sony can take over Kadokawa, Sony will become a major media player in Japan (currently Sony Japan has only a small footprint in Japanese media outside of gaming & amine).

Drakul219d ago

You can play MS games on your PS or PC. But Sony has monopoly mind set; release Sony games only on PS or very rarely on PC.

Lexreborn2219d ago

Anyone who is trying to make someone look like a hypocrite after THEY set the standard is a turd. If you want to try and make it seem like you convinced people into agreeing with your view. You didn’t, the people that were against it STATED they were against it. Then when we were told shut up doesn’t matter what you think NOW you want us to continue to fight when it goes against YOUR interest someone you don’t like is playing by YOUR rules?

Naw, we good… enjoy the game you playing and don’t get mad when the company/entity you hate does it better.

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-Foxtrot220d ago

I thought it was more “you guys allowed MS to buy Zenimax and Activision, two massive publishers so it’s fair game now, why should we be left out”

I hate it but you can’t allow one to do it then make out it’s the end of the world when others do it. It’s shitty but MS opened that avenue so all bets are off now.

maniacmayhem220d ago

So basically it's okay to do it because MS did it, right? I think this is what is known as hypocrisy.

Here's the thing, MS is basically putting all their games on everything and the kitchen sink when you and others claimed they wouldn't.

You actually believe Sony will do the same if they acquire this studio?

You all love to shit on MS when these deals go down but then make up excuses and rights of passage when Sony does it, and this is proof.

goken219d ago

@maniacmayhem

Believe me MS is putting it everywhere not because they want to, but because it doesn’t sell (well) on their own platform (xbox). If they did that, they would lose money, nevermind recuperate their the money they spent buying studios.
Sony on the other hand may or may not have the same problem (probably not).
Hey sony and fans weren’t the ones going “exclusive bad” , they just disagreed MS buying these massive publishers. And since MS did it, let’s just say “to not reciprocate is impolite “

LikAChicken219d ago

@goken @foxtrot

Sooooo...hypocrites...

"hypocrisy is the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's behavior does not conform; pretense."

There's no way you guys believe that Sony wouldn't do this deal before Microsoft bought ActiBlizz. That's not how capitalistic/business industries think.

Vits220d ago (Edited 220d ago )

No, Sony is trying to establish a monopoly on anime streaming, manga, and light novel publication in the Western market while also becoming the largest company in this segment in Japan, replacing Kadokawa in the current triopoly (Kodansha, Hitotsubashi, and Kadokawa).

It’s a completely different ballpark from what Microsoft did. To put it into perspective, even if Microsoft had acquired Zenimax, ABK, EA, Tencent, Take-Two, and Embracer, it still wouldn’t come close to the level of control Sony would achieve in both the Western and Eastern anime/manga markets if they successfully make this purchase.

The closest comparison would be if Disney managed to swallow up both Comcast and Viacom, or if Microsoft had acquired both Sony PlayStation and Nintendo, establishing a monopoly in the console market. That is the level of control we are talking here.

Extermin8or3_219d ago

Except the FTC etc already ruled that anime isn't an industry in its own right. It's a sub genre of a much larger entertainment industry.

Vits219d ago

@Extermin8or3_

Exactly! That’s why this is such a massive problem. The only obstacle between Sony and a full-blown monopoly is how much cash they’re willing to throw around. They’re on track to dominate every anime streaming platform, corner the Western manga market, and seize control of light novel publications. On top of that, they’d cement their place in the tripoly that dictates the flow of source material.

And let’s not pretend Sony’s track record in this “non-industry” inspires confidence. They’ve gutted streaming catalogs, enforced censorship at every turn, and, naturally, hiked up prices for good measure. A monopoly like this is a recipe for disaster even more when a bunch of old-stupid americans don't even get that it is a industry, 3 industries at that.

mkis007220d ago

This is for anime...they have 1 developer people like. Sony for sure has a borderline anime monopoly if this goes through.

VersusDMC219d ago

And the dbz sparking zero developer to be fair.

glennhkboy219d ago

Not exactly.... In terms of Japanese anime, Kadokawa isn't the largest one. Others like Bandi Namco & Sunrise are bigger than Kadokawa. On the other hand, Kadokawa has a very big catalog of Japanese films, like Haven & Earth. Combine this with Sony Film from Hollywood, Sony may have enough films & TV shows (US & Japanese) to start its own steaming service.

Outside_ofthe_Box220d ago

Monopoly, no, as this is nowhere near the size of Bethesda + Activision, but games out of gamers hands, yes. They will mostly likely make their games exclusive when acquired. MS going multiplat ain't out of the kindness of their hearts, but of a necessity from a business perspective.

Also it's not that this is okay because MS did it. This is more of a consequence of allowing MS deal to go through. Should this deal go through? No it shouldn't, but MS literally just bought two publishers. It would be like complaining about Nintendo charging for online when MS and Sony have already been doing it already.

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CrashMania219d ago (Edited 219d ago )

'Or is this different?'

MS spending a whopping 75 billion to acquire dozens of studios and IPs compared to Sony potentially grabbing a handful for a fraction of that price, I'd say so yeah.

We all know what Phil wanted to do with those IPs, but it turns out spending that much money along with plummeting console sales, stagnant gamepass numbers didn't bode well for making everything in exclusive, so it's going the opposite way almost completely now.

porkChop219d ago

I'm not worried about the gaming side of things. But in terms of anime this isn't good. Sony bought out and merged Crunchyroll and Funimation, and they own a bunch of other anime studios. They already own so much of that industry it doesn't make any sense to allow them to swallow up even more.

mkis007219d ago

With how ms was able to purchase acti and bethesda, there is no prayer for this to be blocked. The precedent has been set. Also incoming Republican govt means even MS may be able to do more.

Extermin8or3_219d ago

Anime isn't considered it's own industry. Regulators already ruled awhile ago now that anime was merely a genre within the wider movie/TV series industry.

porkChop219d ago

@mkis

Even with ABK and Bethesda, MS is still a small fraction of the industry. The game industry is massive, no one is remotely close to having a monopoly. This is different. Sony literally bought both of the largest anime platforms and merged them together, on top of buying a bunch of separate anime studios. They'd have a very clear monopoly if they add Kadokawa on top of that. I'm not sure Kadokawa has any reason to sell, and I don't think it would get blocked if they did buy them out. I just don't think it's good for anime.

SoloZelot90219d ago

I think they're interested in kadokawa and are also interested in continuing the partnership that started with demons souls...that game that brought from software to fame.

anast219d ago

It's different. Hypocrisy is not a sin.

goken219d ago

To be a hypocrite is to give others the impression that we are holier than we actually are. It is the same as being false, or telling a lie. Jesus pronounced a curse on hypocrites seven times in Mt. 23:13-29.

gold_drake219d ago

i think the big difference, imo, is that Activision was just soo massive of a publisher/dev team. they had alot of really good, really big franchises that would have absolutely changed the gaming space if they would have stayed exclusive to MS.

i looked into Kadokawas franchises, and while they have good stuff, its not comparable to actlivision in the slightest.

aquistions only suck if people are being layed off in the masses. and thats what happened with Activision unfortunatly. well see what happens with this one.

Lionsguard219d ago

This is why we the MS acquisitions were frowned upon on the first place because it just starts this tit for tat buying war that benefits no one.

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