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Ninja Gaiden 3: Can it revolutionize the hack-n-slash franchise?

GB: "Ninja Gaiden was probably in my top 3 favorite titles for the original Nintendo gaming console. Ryu Hayabusa and Team Ninja are back once more for a confirmed Ninja Gaiden 3. The project was officially announced at TGS 2010 (Tokyo Game Show) in a closed door event. Ninja Gaiden 3 is said to take a deeper look into Ryu’s more human side, as the environment is set in a hellish realm. There has been no platform confirmations released."

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R2D24854d ago (Edited 4854d ago )

I am not a big fan of hack n slash games because they start to feel like I am just botton smashing. Metal Gear Solid Risen seems to be something that might change that.

@below - I think all the sliceing and diceing in the E3 preview confirms that this will be a hack n slash game, plus Kojima is not involved so dont expect to much from this game.

gameseveryday4854d ago

Not necessary, Metal Gear Solid games are not about hack n slash and I really hope Rising wont be a 100% game about hack n slash as it would just kill the essence of a legendary franchise.

anasurimbor4854d ago (Edited 4854d ago )

Kojima is involved, guns have been confirmed, as have stealth gameplay elements.

I know in the beginning Kojima said he wasn't the director of MGS:R, and would be focusing on MGS:PW instead. But he's been a constant source of updates for MGS:R, he said he tailored the gameplay trailers, and he's explained how several features of the game were his ideas (e.g; enemies screaming in pain after being dismembered).

He definitely has a role in development, even if it's a backseat one. He's not just going to toss his company's namesake to a new team and have them wing it while completely ignoring it, as some people seem to think.

ABizzel14854d ago (Edited 4854d ago )

Every game plays the same. In hack and slash you move and push a button. In shooters you point and pull a trigger. In racing games you hold a button and steer. In turn based RPG's you navigate a menu and pick an attack. In Sports games you run and push buttons to steal/tackle/hit/shoot/or whatever you do. In platformers you move and push a button.

I never understand why people make hack and slash games seem like it just button mashing when ALL games play on the same controllers using those same buttons. Just because it doesn't suit your taste doesn't mean it's button mashing.

Now getting back on topic. Ninja Gaiden would surprise me most by having a coherent story. The really need to revamp/reboot the game. Last gen Ninja Gaiden was THE hack and Slash game. God of War had the story, the character, the lore, and the world. But Ninja Gaiden was about the graphics, the difficulty, and gameplay. And today gameplay is all it has left to hold on to, but even that's faded with new competition (Bayonetta), and old franchises getting a gameplay overhaul. It needs a reboot/revamp/refresh of the original formula, because the current one isn't working anymore. And give us ninja vs ninja action and stop with the vampires, and werewolves, that's straight anime.

silvacrest4854d ago

shooters are just as repetitive, its only because the masses love it so much that it gets a pass when it comes to questioning its gameplay

Rhezin4854d ago

that's right R2D2, Kojima is not involved in Metal Gear Solid: Rising so I WON'T expect too much from that game.

As for Ninja Gaiden III Tomonobu Idagaki is not involved and is not needed. Team Ninja is still attatched and that's all that matters. HACK N SLASH FTW!

George Sears4854d ago (Edited 4854d ago )

People need to stop downing Rising simply because Kojima isn't the director. Sure, as the creator of the franchise you would expect great input when it comes to making certain decisions to make the game an overall better and true MGS experience but seriously now...

Him not being the director of Portable Ops didn't make the game bad at all. Hell, thanks to Portable Ops overall gameplay mechanics is what made Peace Walker one of the best of the franchise (gameplay wise)

baodeus4854d ago

not exactly, team ninja hasn't been doing well lately (or maybe they are just adjusting to reassembling the team). But let see, i'm a bit skeptical (although i don't think they seem to care much for a better story).

gamingdroid4854d ago (Edited 4854d ago )

The left-over Team Ninja hasn't done jack squat worth talking about. Basically, all the additions they did to NG Sigma 2 sucked and their claim to fame is to introduce jiggly boobies with the sixaxis... which I actually like!

I will try and be open minded about the "new" Team Ninja, but it remains to be seen.

Redempteur4854d ago

ninja gaiden sigma 2 is less cheap dead from opponents and a slightly better camera .

how can you not welcome these changes is beyond me ..

gamingdroid4853d ago (Edited 4853d ago )

The new camera in NGS2 didn't feel like it changed one bit, but I also was able to manually control my camera. You really have to do that in this game the way the camera was designed.

Cheap death has a lot to do with you keeping an eye on your enemies and always moving so that didn't change for me, but being forced to play with the new characters was rather painful. They didn't bring anything new, and they didn't feel good at all. The best character of the three was Ayane, but surprisingly she was very similar to Ryu!

That is Team Ninja's contribution!!!

I'm still playing NG2 on the Xbox 360, but not NGS2, because the button timing on NGS2 is off. Also, this is really a personal preference and doesn't affect game play, but the blood splattering all over the ground and etc, really made me feel bad ass. Having purple mist come out, just seemed wrong....

midgard2274854d ago (Edited 4854d ago )

i hate when people call them hack and slash, and if ur button maashing its cuz u lack skill, their are legitamate combos and button mashig leads to death in ninja gaiden.

why call them hack and slash when they are action games? i dont see people calling shooters R1/Rightt trigger mashers?

or point and shooters so wtf?

lol @showtimefolks

Whats NJ? Ninja Jelly? lol i know wat u mean haha

gamingdroid4854d ago (Edited 4854d ago )

Try button mashing and you will get your @ss handed to you in two seconds flat even on Warrior difficulty, let alone Mentor or Master in Ninja Gaiden 2.

The Meerkat4854d ago (Edited 4854d ago )

Hack n Slash (action games)is doing ok.

Castlevania LOS
Darksiders
God of War 3
Dantes Inferno

Were all pretty good.

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showtimefolks4854d ago

its gonna be good game since black there are always problems with NJ like small issues

i mean the camera issues has been in NJ for last 3-4 games there are minor yet frustrating things about NJ

i still like to play but it would be nice if some of the old nagging issues are dealt with

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What a New Ninja Gaiden Game Needs to Fix

Screen Rant Writes: Team Ninja knows fans want a new Ninja Gaiden game, but if Ryu Hayabusa is going to come back, there are some things that the series needs to fix.

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Melankolis1573d ago

- Better story, not that it has to be very deep though
- Better level design, on par or even exceed NG1
- Better enemies design, NG3's enemies design were boring and repetitive

TheRealHeisenberg1573d ago

Agreed and bring back the dodge roll. The dash was trash.

Melankolis1573d ago

Yep. I also prefer dodge roll than dash.

NapalmSanctuary1573d ago (Edited 1573d ago )

I'd say just re-add the dodge roll and have both but with different properties. As long as they made both tactically useful in their own ways, it could be really interesting.

Godmars2901573d ago

- No NG has had a good or deep story. Its best has only been about action and enemies.
- Likewise, level design was stages where you fought enemies, which said shallow story connected.
- NG3 utterly forgot that enemies where either trained and highly skilled psychotic killers, or literal demons who'd crack a baby's skull open for fun.

At this point Nioh and Shadows Die Twice have taken NG spot.

TheRealHeisenberg1573d ago

NG Black beats them both. Agree that NG3 was trash. Nioh and Shadows can occupy the spot until NG makes a triumphant return.

NapalmSanctuary1572d ago (Edited 1572d ago )

I take it you never played NG3: Razor's Edge. That game fixed the lack of difficulty. Maybe a little too well with how unfair some of the enemies and bosses were. Still not on par with the previous 2 games but miles ahead of the original NG3 release and well worth playing.

And whats this shit about story. Few action games come close to being on the same level of quality as NG 1&2 and having "good or deep story" didn't get them any closer to it. "Its best" sets it apart and far ahead of almost any other game in the genre except for DMC 3-5 and the Bayonetta series. NG 1&2, along with other games like Doom, prove how little story matters when you get the important aspect of a game (gameplay) right.

Not that Sekiro isn't a great game. The only thing that keeps it from standing shoulder to shoulder with NG 1&2 is its lack of weapon variety and its frame rate issues.

NapalmSanctuary1573d ago

I definitely prefer the Zelda-esque game progression. NG2 was still a great game though.

CorndogBurglar1572d ago

Don't give Ryu some crazy weakness that interrupts literally anything he is doing in order to do some BS animation of him wincing in pain! That garbage ruined NG3

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AK911573d ago

Bring back the difficulty of the first game both 3 and Yaiba (yes I played that POS game) had laughably easy difficulty that it wasn't even funny.

Thundercat771573d ago

With games like NiOh, I don't miss ninja Gaiden at all.

NapalmSanctuary1573d ago

Completely different sub-genres, dude.

CorndogBurglar1572d ago

Nioh was totally different than Ninja Gaiden...

Hungryalpaca1572d ago

Might as well say “wish games like Forza I don’t miss Mario kart”

Asuka1573d ago

Bring back the difficulty.

NapalmSanctuary1573d ago

I want a Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden 2 remaster for all consoles/PC. Complete with peak difficulties intact and maybe some new weapons and outfits. The problem with the Sigma series was that 1) they removed most of the puzzle elements 2) they nerfed the difficulty and 3) they seriously reduced the number of enemies on screen at a time in many places.

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The History of Ninja Gaiden: The Resurrection

In the conclusion to a three part series, CV takes a look at the most recent Ninja Gaiden games, for better and for worse.

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spicelicka1626d ago

They need to make a true sequel to Ninja Gaiden 2, that was the most satisfying combat I've experienced in a hack n slash game.

micdagoat191626d ago

been playing 1&2 on and off since they were released. I usually will play until I get frustrated then take another year off lol. Nver tried 3 or the 4th one even though they are in my backlog.

Domestupidname1626d ago

I tried to go back to Sigma but good god those controls are just insufferable. Couldn't do it.

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Fatality: Games That Killed Their Franchises (Or At Least Put Them On A Long Hiatus)

Phil writes, "Sometimes all it takes is one game to make a long-running or promising franchise become dead in the water, maligned to irrelevancy and just a memory in the annals of gaming history. It's a dog-eat-dog industry where it doesn't matter if the franchise has been around for ages or for milliseconds--just one or two failures and you're done. That's the case with these franchises, all of which I'm sad to see are currently nowhere to be found. Whether any of these will return for a kick-ass comeback or not is up in the air, but what is known is that for many, these franchises met truly unfortunate ends."

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PiNkFaIrYbOi2161d ago

For Tony Hawk's Pro Skater really the first 3 were really the only good ones. After that they sort of went downhill.

Skull5212160d ago

Biggest shame I think is SOCOM. Easily Sony’s best franchise by a long shot and they just let it die.

BlackIceJoe2160d ago

I was going to say SOCOM too. That was one of the best strategy games on the market and then Sony turned it Into a normal shooter.

Dabigsiebowski2159d ago

I thought Underground was pretty good

Segata2161d ago

Klonoa was great but released at a bad time on just 1 system with no marketing. Razors Edge fixed many issues with NG3 vanilla and is a guilty pleasure. Another one that killed a franchise is Lost Planet 3. The better game was Japan only in EX Troopers on PS3. I also would say Marvel vs Capcom Infinite killed the series. I know it's less than a year old but the writing is on the wall. Silent Hill series as soon as Konami gave it to western devs and also made mobile spinoffs.

CorndogBurglar2160d ago (Edited 2160d ago )

With all the licensing effort it takes to make an MvC game you are probably right.

Which sucks because people love MvC. Bad decisions were made with the last one, that's all. But I guarantee if they made a new MvC and put a good roster in with 3 man teams and no easy mode combos then people would go right back to it.

Unfortunately, most companies won't be willing to make another sequel as soon as the latest title flops. Even though MvC Infinite wouldn't have flopped if they had just made different decisions.

81BX2161d ago

Nice try buddy. Then why have they made 1,000,000,000,000,000. Games? Cod has never gotten it wrong...over and over and over.

FPS_D3TH2160d ago

Never gotten it wrong? I guess in terms of how to get kids to steal money out of parents wallets. It’s done plenty wrong lol

81BX2160d ago

Lol. Little money grabbers! I remember when paying for map packs was a big deal. Now we have to pay for everything. This is crazy

REDGUM2160d ago

It's all well and good saying COD sells well, which I don't deny, but that doesn't make it a good game. It merely means people want more of the same,game play, as you put it, over and over and over!

If it's so good, why are more people playing Battlefield 4 over the more current COD releases!

People impulse buy i recon, pre order a game before it's been shown to the public then just stick with it when it releases hoping for change!

I Find COD games much of the same with every release which is why I'd call id a dying franchise.
These kids will grow up soon and realise there's more out there than just corridor shooting games.

It's just an opinion afterall.

DialgaMarine2161d ago (Edited 2161d ago )

When has CoD died or gone on hiatus though? You may not like them, but tens of millions of people do, and buy it every year. People seriously need to shut up and leave that franchise alone. It’s not hurting anyone, and the whining is seriously getting old.

T2X2160d ago

I know right? Those games are always fun. At least IMO. The fun varies a bit depending on the location and theme, but overall, always pretty damn good.

81BX2160d ago (Edited 2160d ago )

Youre 100% wrong. They need to be called out just like every other company. That's why they returned to boots on ground. You let them treat you however they like... some of us chose to be treated how we like

DialgaMarine2160d ago

You say that as if I’m an avid CoD player. I don’t mind the series, but it’s definitely not my favorite. The bitching, however, was old back in 2010. 99% of people that do it only do so because they see others doing it. You don’t like CoD? Play something else. It’s not supposed to cater to fans of other franchises.

MWH2161d ago

I love Klonoa, there's always hope for a new game.

Pickledpepper2161d ago

I loved the dead space 1+2 hated 3. Played through them so many times but found number 3 such a bore to get through, really hope they pick this back up.

PowerOfTheCloud2161d ago (Edited 2161d ago )

Dead space 1 is imo unrivaled when it comes to horror games and part 2 was already kind of a let down by still good. I didn't even play part 3 because i didn't like the direction that game went.

Wish they will reboot dead space one day .

Pickledpepper2160d ago

I totally agree with you on that, dead space 1 was the pinnacle of survival horror and dead space 2 was still a great game, I have all achievements for 1 and 2 and both games still hold up well against modern games, 3 was a complete let down I did finish it just for satisfaction but had no fun from the game at all, found it very boring to say the least.

CorndogBurglar2160d ago

For me, the only reason Dead Space 2 wasn't as good as the original is because it wasn't new anymore. But when you think about it, DS2 was still just as good of a horror game. DS1 was so good because everything you came across was new and terrifying.

I remember the feeling the first time I played DS1. No other game, before or since, has given me that feeling that something is going to jump out and attack with every footstep you took. Talk about great atmosphere and tension!

REDGUM2160d ago

and the Resistance games franchise!

Fist4achin2160d ago

Agreed, plus I didn't care for what they did to the weapons crafting system.

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