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Kinect Software outsells Move Software 13:1

The first round between these two motion rivals is over and it's a knock-out in favor of Microsoft's Kinect.

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Dark_Charizard5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

It's funny how PS3 fanboys always stress on that fact.

A change in the wind5281d ago

It`s funny how many people try to ignore the fact as well.

zootang5281d ago

@Dark

Is EA's John Riccitiello a PS3 fanboy?
http://www.industrygamers.c...

Dark_Charizard5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

Yes that fact is funny as well, Achangeinthewind!

And it's funny how your replies are mostly = [It's funny how + Counter Attack]. LOL :D

Lamarthedancer5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

It's funny how Xbox fanboys totaly ignore the fact that Kinect is killing core games for the 360 but are so proud with Kinects sale

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harrisk9545281d ago

It's also funny how MS uses shipped numbers when it suits them, but when Sony used shipped numbers MS jumped all over them. How many of the 8 million shipped are still sitting on store shelves. There are certainly a lot at my local best buy, target and gamestop... not to mention there is no shortage at Amazon.

Pixel_Enemy5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

Only fanboys care about this war. I am happy owning both consoles. I have move and I don't have an interest in kinect since I don't play the casual games. If MS gives me a reason to buy kinect then I will. Till then sales mean absolutely nothing to me.

@ChadWarden below
I agree completely. The only reason they care is for a leg to stand on in a fanboy argument. There is no other reason

chadwarden5281d ago

Its funny how people care about what kind of sales a company is achieving even though it doesn't change their own life what so ever.

nycredude5281d ago

I love how according to 360 fans everyone is a Ps3 fanboy now. According to you guys there is like a total of six 360 fans in the world.

TheLastGuardian5281d ago

I feel ashamed to live in America now. I'm surrounded by a bunch of casual ass panzies.

Retro_Zombie5281d ago

@Dark_Charizard

"It's funny how PS3 fanboys always stress on that fact."

It's an important fact.
http://www.mikebentley.com/...

evrfighter5281d ago

you could almost see the tears in all these comments.

NateCole5281d ago

@Dark_Charizard. The fact is the title makes it sound like its the whole world when its not. Do we all just assume that anything on N4G is about NA only?.

antz11045281d ago

@ Turkish:

Um, 360 already had one of those and another is a multiplat. I get where you're coming from but just sayin'.

LaChance5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

Cant belive Sony fanboys thought that Kinect would flop.

So delusional. The laughing stock of the industry.

Sony should be proud of you.

Oh and let me guess...in EU Move software is outselling Kinect 13:1 right ?? LMAOOO!!

Fat Bastard5281d ago

I understand why the Kinect is outselling move. There's two reasons: 1) marketing budget, 2) huge amount of xbox 360's in homes around America. I honestly think the 360 is so much more successful in America than Europe or Japan mostly because of Xbox Live. It is the superior online gaming network. America is more social for youth than Europe. I can go up and talk to a total stranger in the street here in America, but when I spent a summer in Europe it was considered odd to try to start a conversation with a stranger. I think Americans love socializing very much and want a better online system that allows them to do that. Europeans are happy playing better exclusives in the comfort of their homes even if they are single player. Now obviously not everyone is like this, but it is a trend I believe. I personally have both consoles and prefer PS3 due to the better exclusives, but it makes sense that other casual American kids and teens desire a console where it is the most fun and social to play cod and ncaa/madden. With Christmas time just past, many families wanted a fun new toy to add to their home that the children would enjoy. What better than a seemingly great accessory for the console they own? It doesn't matter if Kinect has shit games right now, it's something that can be put under the Christmas tree to fulfill the parent's desire to get something new and fun for their kids.

SuperLupe5281d ago

What makes you guys think that its the opposite outside of the USA ???

The real killer5281d ago

It's so funny that 360 fanboys come up with only USA.

stevenhiggster5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

Ford Fiesta's out sell BMW M3's by about 50:1.
Just sayin.

Scary695281d ago

Just goes to show how stupid consumers really are in the states. Embarrassing really shows how uneducated many people are.

NateCole5281d ago

but seriously. An article from inside Kinetic.com?.

ChineseDemocracy5281d ago

I.m not surprised, Kinect is a great device for the casual gamers.

Doesn't bother me at all, I'd rather save money for actual games this year.

KingME5281d ago

@TheLastGuardian - So, what's stopping you from moving?

Could it be that you are incapable of sustaining your own livelyhood and you still need mom and dad's help.

Could it be that you really aren't ashamed and you just simply said it out of frustration? (frustration that you wouldn't have if you weren't a fanboy.)

Please do tell? Mister ashamed? I truely am curious what makes a person ashamed to live in a country because it has casual gamers. The comment in itself simply stinks of immaturity.

Dee_915281d ago

hell it better be selling after all that marketing lol

SpinalRemains1385281d ago

It's even worse how RROD boys conveniently forget that fact.

RSPproductionz5281d ago

why does the title not specify. you dont see titles saying ps3 outsells xbox 360 20:1 and then when you read the article it says Japan. its bad journalism and it shows there desperate for hits.

rosebowl235281d ago

BREAKING NEWS: Kinect's advertising budget with Justin Beiber and other retarded celebrities cost 13 times more than Move's advertising budget.

More at 11:00.

darthv725281d ago

Think about it. Kinect software...can only be played with kinect. Move games are a mix of some move but mostly games already out that have been patched.

What do you think is selling more?

Folezicle5280d ago

These comments are hilarious, keep them coming

Kevin ButIer5280d ago

Since I cant play exclusive sales numbers, i just focus in exclusive game titles... and theres nothing to argue in that fact

TheDivine5280d ago

Motion controlls are a fad. The wii sold because it was new and wii sports and fitness games have mass market appeal. Kinect is new an exiting to consumers taking the wii and and reinventing it. Move comes off as wii ripoff to average consumers, been there done that. Kinect captured the imagination of people, its cool and exciting, controlling everything like minority report and it acually really fun. I havnt bought it and wont until i see more games id like with replay value. I disagree with people because i think kinect is bringing tons of games to the 360 and am excited to see how some of the tgs games play. We still get normal games but now we also get kinect games some of which have the possibility of bieng something great and new so its definately a good thing as more 360 owners means ore games and more third party support.

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NYC_Gamer5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

PSMove needs more original software instead of ps3 titles with support

BrianG5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

I think it has some good titles, more original titles than Kinect at the moment I believe (I could be wrong). The problems seems to be advertising and getting the word out.

Sony needs to realize this if they want higher sales.

EDIT: Below, thanks Hardknock, was not really sure. I adjusted my comment.

hardknock5281d ago

@BrainG

Actually Kinect Sports in the best selling Kinect game followed by Dance Central and then Your Shape Fitness.

Godmars2905281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

And Kinect needs titles other than Wii clones. It needs to be more than the gimmick Wii was otherwise it will end up like the Wii once the hype for it subsided.

Ju5281d ago

I think Kinect and Move are targeted at a different audience. Kinect is casual and thus more accessible. Move is more complicated to use, thus I'd rate it more hard core.

But if you want to sell in numbers and convince the soccer mums, kids need to have fun with it without the need to read a manual.

I find Move more satisfying because of the precision it gives me. But I have to admit my 10 year old son would probably rather play the Wii where he can just waggle the controls - or jump up and down in front of a camera.

I like that Sony took the risk and actually delivered a product for me; but I also think it won't reach the masses like Kinect (and Wii) will - unless there will be an absolute must have Move game (KZ3/Socom4 ain't it).

DigitalRaptor5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

Why? Why does it need that?

Sony are not promoting the Move as something that will change gaming for good. They are simply sellling a tight, accurate and responsive motion controller for people who like to play differently, and for it to be compatible with the games they want to put out.

There's nothing wrong with adding support to existing titles. And there will be more "ground-up" Move titles. But for now, I think most people are satisfied with games like Killzone 3, LittleBigPlanet 2, Heavy Rain, Resi5, and more.

Of course I wouldn't complain if there were more quality Move-only games, but if were to detract from Sony's offerings I would rather see just added Move support.

The difference between that and Kinect, is that Microsoft and their fanboys are trying to promote Kinect as some sort of game changing device that will change the way we play games and will be the "the future of gaming"! And what are we seeing? Watered down, casual Wii game clones, that do not bring improvements on anything.

siyrobbo5281d ago

i think sony rushed to get move ready for launch before kinect, hence the weak move only line-up and the fact that the majority of the games worth using it for are retrofitted.

I wouldn't judge anything based on a few months, see how things pan out over the space of a year. Sony don't have their killer app for move yet and for all we know dance central and kinect sports could be the peak of kinects capabilities

TheLastGuardian5281d ago

I agree but the games that support DS3 and Move will be he best Move games for core gamers. I'd like to see Sony have the sales they deserve but I'm happy with how they're supporting core gamers and not deserting them like Microsoft.

Ryo-Hazuki5281d ago

the better the kinect sales the less and less exclusive core games for the 360. Its already showing..i dont think you guys should be proud of that. 360 is turning into a casual system

ravinash5280d ago

I just can't see how Kinect will do anything to make gaming better for me.
With no controls other than move your whole arms & legs round, I don't see how this can be used to play the games I like to play.

But the thing is, I'm not the audiance that MS is after now. Because jumping round is what kids like to do, and thats why this product is focusing on familys.
Great for MS who want to get more sales, but I'm not sure what it is that the 360 fan boys keep getting excited about, because it means there will be less focus on the games they like to play.

Most they can hope for now is that they may get one or two high profile exclusives and the standard spread of multiplats. Because thats all I'm seeing these days.

8thnightvolley5280d ago

this whole fear of casual and ther wont be any hardcore titles on 360 is getting silly coz there will always be hardcore games thats just fact... all there is is the eco system of the 360 is gettting bigger and open to more diverse type of gamers than b4

tony67675280d ago

kinect should have more games than those shitty they have now

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Serjikal_Strike5281d ago

didnt an earlier article say it was 5:1?

hardknock5281d ago

That was Hardware. This is Software sales.

Miiikeyyy5281d ago

3 dissagrees for missunderstanding...
everyone whos dissagreeing for reasons like that are fucking deuches

Tinasumsum5281d ago

Considering Kinect smashed Move world wide we will make it 9 to 1 world wide just for you.

Pixel_Enemy5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

What ever helps you sleep at night kid. Your MS stock is doing just fine

VINNIEPAZ5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

LOL The good new articles Xbox have been getting has the Sony fanboys working double time

L M M F A O

EDIT @

"Funny how those same XBox articles can't exist without mentioning Sony in the headlines. They talk about Sony more than Sony does. Can 'Dance Central' and 'Your Shape Fitness' not stand on their own? Oh wait... :p"

Oh the irony, look at YOU talking about 'Dance Central' and 'Your Shape Fitness' more than the Xbox crowd. 9 time outta 10 the Sony fanboys are making the 1st comment about Xbox articles, sad.

P_Bomb5281d ago

Funny how those same XBox articles can't exist without mentioning Sony in the headlines. They talk about Sony more than Sony does. Can 'Dance Central' and 'Your Shape Fitness' not stand on their own? Oh wait... :p

Moentjers5281d ago

good news 360 articles: kinect is shipping a lot
good news PS3 articles: games, games, games, games, games

just look at the latest 'news' on n4g, you see where the focus is on.

Stryfeno25281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

good news 360 articles: kinect is shipping a lot
good news PS3 articles: PS3 Jailbreak, Sony going to Court, GT5 Lack of appeal

Fixed

ravinash5280d ago

That should be 'Fix'...not Fixed.

Considering this site is meant to be crawling with Sony Fan boys, there is a lot of anti Sony article being submitted. And then they claim their doing the damage control.

I'll just stick to the game articles thanks.

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nycredude5281d ago

Let me guess US only. Yeah without even checking the site.

insidekinect.com LOL

ct035281d ago

Worldwide, that 13:1 ratio is reversed. I'm sure.

Vegetom5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

@Zootang
Tell that to Sony and Microsoft, who threats the USA like it's the only market in the world.

WeaseL5281d ago

Did they add Heavy Rain, MAG and Tiger to the total?

SuperLupe5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

360 has no games ?

Kind of funny a console with no games keeps on selling more software than the PS3.

If you only play exclusives then you must be the saddest "gamer" alive along with your fellow cult followers.

95% of PS3 games coming out in 2011 are multiplat. And this year there were more quality multiplats on the PS3 than exclusives.

I wish there were no more multiplats on the PS3, you guys would run out as soon as possible to buy a 360. Cuz after your 26th playthrough of GOW3 or Heavy Rain you'd want to play try out something else beelieve me.

Kingmitch235281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

when people say "games" they usually mean ones of significance (which is subjective but
theirs ones that are hard to argue really count as "games" on a console, think of movie games)

x-box has no games (which is fanboyish)- means that it has no games to warrant a purchase, if you already have one then you will have plenty of choice but you would still be missing out on some of the best quality games.

The problem of games for 360 is that once a person has a ps3 and a pc then they are not missing out on much, especially 2011

Edit - also please stop using sales as an indication of anything, quality and sales might not be completely independent but an argument based on it is just false.

DoomeDx5280d ago

You act like the PS3 cannot play Multi-plats?

you want us to buy 360 just for the multiplatform games?
Dude, like i care about 360 having better graphics on multiplats.. Multiplatform games work flawlessly on my PS3.

STiRacer5281d ago

The world not the solar system. Stupid fanboys!

Strikepackage Bravo5281d ago

@zoo

How do you know its not the world? You got a link? No, well then STFU!

If PS3 is outselling 360 so handily in France, spain, Italy and Germany, then why the F is it still in 3rd place after 5 years?

Tru_Ray5280d ago

You might want to wait until after they release their 3rd and 4th quarter results for 2010 before you start spamming "But-bu-bu-bu they are still in third place". If they are still in third place it is because of a price disadvantage and a drastic change in gaming demographics.

Their place is not a big deal to me so long as they continue to produce the best software/hardware among all consoles.

Microsoft has officially sold their soul to the causals. It is hilarious to see all of the hardcore fanboys getting giddy over a garbage, gimmicky peripheral that is being touted as the future of home entertainment. I thought you guys liked Halo, Gears of War, and Mass Effect?

What happened?

TheFreak5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

LOL ps3 sucks 360's cock and both of them are getting raped by a wii hahaahahahahahahahahhaahahahah haahhaha

tony67675280d ago

your name says it all lool

TheFreak5280d ago

yeah I know. I am a looser like everyone else here hahaahahaahha

Evilbanana5280d ago

can i just point out not everyone who bought the kinect bought it for gaming purposes lol a ton of people bought it to hack it's crappy softwear to use for other purposes

f7897905280d ago

Move is still getting beat as bad as the 360 is in Japan. I'm shocked by the lack of marketing done by Sony. Nobody even knows it exists!

georgeenoob5280d ago

Read the title - 13:1. Dude, do you think worldwide would've made a difference in how Kinect outsold the shit out of Move?

meluvulongtime5280d ago

There isn't much for quality software for either motion control scheme at this point. It's like saying horse crap sold 13 times more than dog crap. All consumers still ended up with steaming piles of $h!t.

I like Sony's idea of making Move geared more towards the core crowd, but there isn't much in the means of software at this point. Adding support to regular games doesn't do much for me unless it improves upon the standard controller. Kinect is just aimed at casuals and unless some creativity comes out of it just isn't for me.

Muffins12235280d ago

yea but usa is the worlds biggest economy....kinect still outsells the move across the world...

40cal5280d ago

I picked up Sports Champions and The Fight for Move when it came out, but I have also been playing RE5, MAG, and Heavy Rain with it.

So should we also count the previous sales of these games?

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OllieBoy5281d ago

Don't care what casuals buy or don't buy.

marison5281d ago

If your girlfriend/spouse is a casual gamer, you do not care about her company when gaming?

That's a good thing. More gaming hours, more fun time.

nycredude5281d ago

I kinect with my wife in better ways and it's free and way more fun and burns more calories!

theIMP5281d ago

How do you do that when you are on N4G 24/7 trolling Kinect articles. Hell I bet Kinect get's more of your attention than she does.

nycredude5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

Bro You are on n4g more than any man can possibly be. Don't talk out your ass bro. I don't troll. I have opinions. At least I've owned all the consoles before. What do you own?

What games do you buy? Do you own Kinect? Do you own Move? Do you own stocks?

itchy185281d ago

isn't move selling not that much cause of low in stock for months since it was released?

Fishy Fingers5281d ago

I believe that was a large portion of the spin yes.

Kurylo3d5281d ago

Actually kinnect was the one with low stock. Yet it still happens to be selling truckloads.

protekjv5281d ago

That's correct, when I go around to places like target, bestbut, etc. I do notice that both hardware are either sold out, or have the last hardware available to purchase.

smartmart5281d ago

yeah sales really suffers when customers finds an empty shelf . I bought a 360 w/kinect because Move is back-order here since launch date. Not a bad thing though I've always wanted one to sit beside my ps3 and my wii. But my money was spent on kinect instead of move, well until i can get a hold on a pair of Move controller...

SancLunatic5281d ago

I already have a Wii-mote on the Wii. Why do I need to get Sony's Wiimote on my PS3?

protekjv5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

whos telling you to go buy it, sony?

jneul5281d ago

dude if you played on it you would realize it's not a wii-mote, this is the reason why move is not selling as well as kinect wiimote set a very bad example of motion controls, move realised how it should be done with proper 3d 1:1 tracking and augmented reality

DelbertGrady5280d ago

I've tried both and I'd pick a Wii with Super Mario Galaxy 2 over Move any day.

Miiikeyyy5281d ago

cus sony's move owns a fuckin wii-mote XD

Loner5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

Kinect is unstoppable.Outselling Move by such a large ratio

@ Below

Paul Blart Mall Cop hasnt grossed more than Inception
Paul Blart - $183,293,131
Inception - $823 million

BrianG5281d ago

Lol, you are unstoppable, trolling PS3 articles.

theIMP5281d ago

What the FUCK. How in the fuck are you going to call him out for trolling PS3 articles, while you are trolling a 360 article? Don't y'all ever get tired of being so hypocritical?

BrianG5281d ago (Edited 5281d ago )

hey look man, I see him in every article I enter, PS3 or 360. Look at his comment history and tell me hes not trolling.

Then look at mines, you may read some and interpret them differently than me, but I can assure you my history is not as biased as his.

And why so mad? I was just having a laugh cause I see him doing this everywhere. Nothing to get upset about man.

EDIT: check your history out while I was at it, and your almost as bad as him.

wu-stix5280d ago

Bad example Inception is a piece of shit also. A better example is tron outselling true grit or Justin Beiber/Lady Gaga vs anyone with any real talent.

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‘I think Xbox hardware is dead’, says Microsoft gaming veteran

One of the founding members of the Xbox team has questioned Microsoft’s multiplatform gaming strategy, and said they believe the Xbox hardware business is effectively “dead"

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Goodguy011d 2h ago

Think that rumor that they'll still make a new console but at a profit at $1000 will be true though. The series consoles will remain their cheap alternative throughout next gen I would say. Keep in mind that game pass and pretty much going 3rd party is their main focus. They want to bring xbox everywhere.

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GamerRN5h ago

If they don't maintain some kind of console presence, I think they will lose gamepass subscribers and just become a 3rd party publisher who eventually sells everything off

Cacabunga4h ago

Xbox games are releasing on all platforms. Who needs this hardware? PS or PC is all you need

Flewid6383h ago

I've never owned an Xbox in my life and I have GamePass.

thorstein2h ago

The only Xbox I owned was the 360. I have gamepass for my PC.

crazyCoconuts3h ago

Even if they could get it down to $800 for a box that can run with comparable performance to a PS6 (at, say $200 cheaper) the population of people willing to buy such a thing would be so limited.
It would be the worst of both worlds.

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Futureshark14h ago

A slow, painful and public death too.

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Looming Xbox layoffs threaten Microsoft's reputation

Even as the company sets out to overhaul the very definition of Xbox, cuts at its studios risk creating a negative image reminiscent of EA's worst era

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Jingsing3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I appreciate the article but this guy must be living in a delayed universe, The reputation was ruined 10+ years ago and hasn't recovered since. As such people have voted with their wallets and stopped buying Xbox products in large amounts.

YourMommySpoils2d ago

Their reputation was lost way before that. From the moment Microsoft said they entering the console business, we all knew it would be a downgrade.

Bathyj1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

That's not true at all the OG Xbox had drive and they had hunger and they wanted to accomplish something. It was a great console.

they didn't quite reach their goals and they gave up prematurely because they couldn't win. It was halfway through the Xbox 360 when kinect released and that was when they lost their way and we're a rudderless ship ever since

Agent751d 8h ago

In all fairness, Xbox had some great games with online play, Xbox 360 even better. Xbox consoles started to die with the Xbox One. Ditch consoles for the PC and PS.

YourMommySpoils1d ago

@Bathyj hard to compute ay. Xbox was never better than a PC and that's all they ever were. A demo box. Doesn't get more true than that.

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isarai3d ago

What reputation is this threatening exactly? 😂

Lightning773d ago

Rumors of Turn 10 being either shut down or hit with massive lay offs is on the horizon.

The issue is MS will do something right only to do something very, very wrong. And they do this what seems calculative at this point. Doesn't matter what they do the Investors and leadership want more and more money an endless bottomless pit of purr insatiable greed. A company that acts like it's broke or hurting is what really, really infuriates me. They've surpassed apple again well over 3 trillion who acts like they're a million dollar company is fk stupid. Pivots and changes for no reason and can't do things for more than a year with out a pivot or changing their metrics.

Christopher2d ago

That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest.

1Victor2d ago

@christopher: “ That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest”
The key word big can be ether good or bad 🤷🏿only time can tell

DarXyde2d ago

First Forza being generated entirely via AI?

If any company would do it, it'd be them.

Nacho_Z1d 15h ago

Isn't the point that it's irrelevant how profitable MS is, the suits have decided it's time that the Xbox division started making them money. Hence the layoffs, the pivots.

hennessey861d 11h ago

That wouldn't surprise me, as motorsport has been heading down hill since the great number 4. Where as playground have consistently put out better games. I think the two studios will be merged under playground games banner.

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Microsoft planning “major” Xbox layoffs next week

The cuts are expected to be announced next week.

Microsoft is also planning thousands of job cuts that will impact other parts of it businesses

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

MFs has been beating their chests over great quarterly results and big profits to shareholders while firing people by the thousands just like Sony.

I wonder if at the top of those rumored layoffs they´ll also cancel upcoming or unannounced games while shutting down more studios as well.

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pwnmaster30006d ago

Always got to throw shade at Sony smh.
Yes we get it,
MS good Sony bad
MS bad Sony is also bad lmao

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

F* them both!

Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares.

blacktiger6d ago

He was talking about both. Why you getting offended when he's using both names

pwnmaster30006d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Blacktiger

Im not offended , that’s just his formula lol
He can’t help help himself, he needs to bring Sony down when the topic involves MS.
Whether is good news for MS or bad, it some how leads to Sony doing bad lmao.
It’s actually hilarious.

InUrFoxHole6d ago

He's not wrong but im tracking what youre saying. In this case is should just be MS bad. Thats a lot of people fired

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Tacoboto6d ago

"just like Sony"

Gosh you're insufferable, not everything needs to be both-sides'd. Sony's had layoffs, but nothing like what Microsoft has been doing and is continuing to do.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I mean, no offense, but this is why you’re not some corporate business person running a major corporation. Big profits don’t mean jobs are safe. Do you understand why things like this happen:

Cutting jobs to maintain or increase profitability, especially in underperforming divisions like parts of Xbox like other gaming divisions.

Corporate restructuring and relocating resources for strategic stability in ever changing markets and consumer behaviors.

Investor expectations and optimizing operations to maintain investor confidence. Whatever boosts stock prices and improves future margins.

And there’s many other factors at play. It’s never as simple as business doing well, everyone’s safe. That’s just you not understanding at all how corporations work and have been working since the beginning. This isn’t something that’s specific to Xbox, you can bet your ass Sony and Nintendo do this and if it’s not clear by now, game development is not a stable job nor has it ever been for many. A lot of developers are contractors and guess what happens when a project is done?

Ganif6d ago

Nintendo said they have no plans for layoffs, and you can't seriously claim that the scale of Sony's layoffs most of which involved Bungie which is self managed as even close to the same scale as what Microsoft has done since they purchased Zenimax. And that significantly less layoffs would have happened if those publishers had stayed independent. Keep in mind that much of these layoffs have been due to redundancies specifically related to these buyouts.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Ganif

Nintendo:

https://gamerant.com/ninten...

Sony:

https://gamerant.com/playst...

https://techxplore.com/news...

I don’t think it’s realistic to treat Sony’s layoffs as somehow outside the norm for the industry right now. Even if Bungie is self-managed, Sony’s cuts went far beyond that like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, London Studio being shut down completely, and multiple teams across the globe took hits. These weren’t just minor adjustments.

Nintendo, I had to look up and you’re right. They seem to be an outlier, but rest assured at some point it happens. And even then there’s been layoffs, albeit a smaller amount and contractors.

Would fewer layoffs have happened if studios from acquisitions stayed independent? Maybe. But even independents have been hit hard and look at what’s happened with Embracer’s fallout, or smaller devs like Digic, Roll7, or Volition. This isn’t just a “Microsoft problem” or strictly tied to acquisitions; it’s a broader correction happening across the whole industry, and unfortunately, layoffs are a big part of that process right now.

Ganif6d ago

From your article:

"According to reports, Nintendo of America restructured its testing operations, leading to layoffs of about 120 contractors, part of a strategy for global integration.

Nintendo of America, publisher of iconic franchises like Mario and Zelda, is shifting some contractors to full-time roles for better development integration."

Contractors are not employees, and even if you want to count them as that, it's 120 people vs around 7500 since Microsoft purchased Zenimax.

In an era of game industry layoffs, Nintendo is hiring more people
https://automaton-media.com...

Nintendo Announces 10 Percent Pay Raise For Devs Despite Lower Profits
https://kotaku.com/nintendo...

Nintendo CEO’s refusal to layoff staff goes viral following industry-wide cuts
"Satoru Iwata took pay cuts to ensure staff didn’t have to be let go"
https://www.nme.com/news/ga...

And as for Sony you're comparing less than 1000 total jobs to an estimated7500

Has the industry faced layoffs, yes, but that still doesn't account for the mass layoffs due to redundancies that was easily predictable, or that fact that at least 1/3 of Microsoft's layoffs and studio closures happened before the industry downturn.

thorstein6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Take the L, Crimson.

People hate Nintendo, but Ganif proved why they deserve support.

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-Foxtrot6d ago

It's like banging your head off a wall, he just can't help himself.

Microsoft can do no wrong, Sony sucks at everything and Nintendo is bigged up because it's less hassle than trying to defend Microsoft all the time

What's going to happen when Microsoft finally turn completely third party, then what?

anast6d ago

I enjoy Obscure. Obscure does good work.

crazyCoconuts6d ago

Did you know that the first n4g was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

Tacoboto6d ago

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if anast and osbcure were both alts for the Admin.

We know how Obscure especially drums up additional comments and clicks with his spam-worthy remarks that somehow never get moderated

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Profchaos6d ago

Thats business present a strong front to your shareholders while your company burns around you.

Keep shareholders happy at all costs andnif not happy keep them numb to the reality of you organisation

Angyobangyo5d ago

" Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares. "

Just for the record, you clearly you do if you have to vent this hard.

TheExecutioner5d ago

Basically you think like kids when it come to choose between candy or chocolate.

Sonic18815d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Are you and Anast the same person?

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