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Motion controls in 2011

2010 brought a lot of new products to the gaming industry, but none have sparked more speculation then Sony and Microsoft’s forays into the motion control business. Attempting to capitalize on the Wii’s success, Sony’s Move controller, and Microsoft’s Kinect motion camera have been released, with hopes of finding a foothold against Nintendo’s sales behemoth. While they found a level of success, both devices have some work to do in 2011.

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darthv722836d ago

now that they are out...lets get them going in the right direction.

Jim Hawking2836d ago (Edited 2836d ago )

I'm only allowed 400 words an article so I can't be as specific as I want. When I said "murky" i was refering to the fact that it isn't clear if there is going to be hardcore support for the Kinect. Not if the Kinect will be a success. It sold 8 Mil in 2 months, Microsoft might make its half billion back by March. That's impressive.

I actually think that the Kinect's mod communtity is very very cool. Check out the links on my article if you don't know what I'm talking about.

And about reviews. Products with hype tend to be immune to reviews when it comes out, but reviews can harm it long term since it will discourage more skeptical or unintersted consumers from buying it.

This article wasn't anti-Kinect. Relax

Balt 2836d ago (Edited 2836d ago )

Anything that gets fat, lazy, uninhibited gamers off their ass and gets them motivated and moving is a plus and a win. I wish all hardcore games would die out and turn into nothing but short burst casual experiences for the family and for fitness/dance. It is highly detrimental to youth's health that they put perspective before desire.

I am all for motion gaming -- Kinect, Move, wii and anything else someone wants to throw into the mix to divert consumers away from Call of Duty, Halo, GTA and so many other pointless games.

Bigpappy2836d ago

From reading the article, it looks like it is time for M$ to call it a day, pack Kinect up and go home. The reading the article I conclude that the only reasons Kinect has better than the Move is because the Sony big hitters like Socom , LBP2, and KK3 have not been released yet and M$ spent $500mil on an advertizing campain to fool the public.

Sounds like I've heard these same points raised some where before.

He also said "The future of the Kinect is a bit murky, however, with the software receiving poor critical reception, and Microsoft’s core fan base expressing concern over the controller’s supposedly limited, casual only, application."

So the future of Kinect depends on 20 or 30 critics, not the f*ng 7+mil sales in 8 weeks. K-sports has sold close to 3mil copies in those 8 week (6 EU). Dance Cental almost 2mil. I think the software is not a problem and is in fact the reason for the sales. The core gamers who buy Kinect are not buying it to play HALO or GEARS. They are buying to play those "supposedly limited, casual only, application."

In conclusion this article is a fanboy's perspective and not a fear and rational look and where each peripheral's truly stands in their battle to out do the Wii, which I might add is a casual control device.

Jim Hawking2836d ago (Edited 2836d ago )

OK, lets breath for a second. Calmed down?

-I listed the Sony games and not the Microsoft ones because I can't find a AAA Kinect game confirmed to release for 2011.

-I made it clear in the article that so far the Move games haven't set the world ablaze but that they could in the next six months. Could being the key word.

-Xbox's fan base is mostly core gamers and it is easier to convert costumers you already have then attract new ones. All I was saying is Kinect isn't likely to appeal to core gamers in the long term, not a controversial statement.

-The notion that Microsoft gigantic marketing push had nothing to do with it's high sales is completely laughable.

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Yeesh

Bigpappy2836d ago

First, thank you for calming me down. I needed that.

On topic: I never said you should list any games for Kinect. I just pointer out that you dismissed them by saying they were " "supposedly limited, casual only, application." but failed to mention how well received they were by the the actual Kinect buyers (unlike any Move game to date).

"Move games haven't set the world ablaze but that they could in the next six months." So why could that not be true for Kinect which has already proven it could (see above). Why couldn't 'Child of Eden' or 'Star wars (Kinect)' or even 'Fantastic Pets' set the world ablaze? I think we will have to wait and see if your "AAA" games sell more Moves that these made for Kinect shovelware.
"-Xbox's fan base is mostly core gamers and it is easier to convert costumers you already have then attract new ones." I agree, it is easier. But do you believe that is the goal set out by these companies, to sell Move and Kinect to the exixting fanbase who are quite content with using a controller? That I don't believe. I think when Sony looks over the fence and see M$ selling 360's to new customers and expanding their fan and install base at a rate much higher that PS3, they might not care too much about how many Moves are selling.

Marketing builds awareness. But does it sell the product? Windows Phone7 got the same money allocated to its maketing. How is that doing in comparison? What happened to Zune? People buy Kinect because they see it and go "WOW, that is Kool" or the play it at a store or some ones house and go "Holly crap, that was fun as heck". I don't know or have heard of anyone who bought it because the saw the ad on TV and had to run out and get one. They might have seen the ads (aware), but they have played it or seen someone before buying it.

Mustang300C20122836d ago

"-I made it clear in the article that so far the Move games haven't set the world ablaze but that they could in the next six months. Could being the key word"

Isn't this what people were claiming was supposed to happen 6 months before release? While others claim that Kinect would not sell like it has. Yeah your right it could or it could go the same course it is currently going now.

"-Xbox's fan base is mostly core gamers and it is easier to convert costumers you already have then attract new ones. All I was saying is Kinect isn't likely to appeal to core gamers in the long term, not a controversial statement."

Sorry but this is simply a poor excuse. Guess what? I am a core gamer. I own two Kinects. My friends on my gamertag have been core gamers since 2002 when Live went active. Why are more than half of my 80+ friends on Kinect? Again I have been friends with these individuals for the last 10 years. They are just as much core as I am. Kinect is being bought by them now and the casuals. I think any company would be happy that they are bringing in a new market for their products. Not sure what makes you think otherwise. The Move as HARDCORE as everyone likes to say it is due to the games it is supporting would love to recieve those same casual gamers also.

"-The notion that Microsoft gigantic marketing push had nothing to do with it's high sales is completely laughable."

LOL Um the notion that people THINK all it was was mainly a $500mil campaign that propelled Kinect to where it is today is also idiotic. You and others ignore:

-That Kinect has been in the news all over the world since E3 09

-Macy's had nothing to do with Kinect getting out to the people? Which by the way was before the $500mil campaign

-Kinect has been to all the major events all over the world and cross country across U.S. and others

Yet Kinect was claimed to be a F'd up product becasue it didn't have a good showing based on alot of sites that claimed that MS E3 conference was the worst. So with all those points made prior to the launch then how come the consumers are going for Kinect and purchasing 360s regardless if they are core or not vs buying the PS3 and Move? Why can I go to the UK charts and see Kinect games in the top 10 and 40 but no Move titles?

Wh15ky2836d ago

@Bigpappy

"how well received they were by the actual Kinect buyers (unlike any Move game to date)"

I'm an "actual" Move buyer and I love The Fight and Sports Champions, both far superior to the Kinect games I have played (Kinect adventures and Kinect Sports).

I also far prefer to use Move to play RE5 and MAG.

Mustang300C20122836d ago

@ Wh15ky,

But this isn't about you and me and our preference of what we like. This article isn't about one individual. It was about the climate of the motion controls and the climate has shown that MS is benefiting more with Kinect than what Move is to Sony.
I had Move for one weekend after having Kinect for over a month during the beta. My family didn't care for Move. It works as presented but it simply isn't as fun as Kinect is. If they had been playing Wii which they haven't before maybe Move would have been just as fun but it isn't.

Wh15ky2836d ago (Edited 2836d ago )

UH??? I was commenting on Bigpappys comment:

"how well received they were by the actual Kinect buyers (unlike any Move game to date)"

Now allow me to re-word that comment in the way I understood it: No Move game has been well received by actual Move buyers.

I think you'll find that plenty of actual Move buyers rave about both those games, not just me. In fact the average user scores on alot of websites for Sports Champions, The Fight, Dance Central and Kinect Sports are all around the same with Sports Champions usually coming out on top.

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Mustang300C20122836d ago

Bingo.

What is funny about the article is that the claim that the "reviews" for both Move and Kinect are supposed to make a point.

Move gets "great" reviews but Kinect gets "murky" reviews. Your article uses a source that was on November 5th about Kinect reviews. Um well, it is over 60 days now. How is does the climate look now? Clearly reviews do not make or break what is going to happen. Not everyone hardcore or casual read reviews. Me personally I do give a sh*t about someones opinion when I already know the majority of reviews do not cover most of the games strength and weakness to even take that person opinion seriously.

SoapShoes2836d ago

Of course reviews don't mean squat, especially to casuals. Pretty much, now days, it's all about hardware. If the Wii used a standard controller, it probably would have fared as well as the GameCube even if it had the same games it does now.