Sony Suing Geohot, Fail0verflow, others over PS3 Hacking

"As of 1/11/2011 7:20 PM EST, I have been served with papers, see below...

Motion For TRO
Proposed Order

old front page, with relevant info removed, is here

contact me geohot ... gmail"

From Fail0verflow's Twitter!/fail0...
"Looks like Sony decided to ignore the facts and sue us all for it. See"

From Hector Martin's Twitter!/marca...
"Ah, so Sony decided to sue everyone under US law. Guess I won't be visiting the US in a while..."

From Muscle Nerd's Twitter!/Muscl...
"EFF has done a fantastic job keeping iPhone jailbreaks (not piracy!) legal..hope they can do the same with this PS3 news"


UPDATE- Charges include

18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(2)(C) – Confidential Information On Computer

18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(4) – Intent To Defraud And Obtain Value

18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(5)(A) – Knowing Transmission of Code

18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(5)(B) and (C) – Intentional and Reckless Damage And Loss

18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(6)(A) – Trafficking in Password

18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(7)(B) – Intent to Extort

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Romudeth2835d ago

Good and I hope they clean these people out and leave them penniless on the street. Geohot and Fail0verflow are criminal scum and deserve to be severely punished.

LordMarius2835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

Yay Sony!
Now bring on the bans for those who are hacking the PS3 and connecting to PSN. Keep my online experience cheater free(not counting Call of Duty). Keep your homebrew offline

JhawkFootball062835d ago

Not only will this lead to Geohot and Fail0verflow to stop releasing hacks for the ps3, it will also make other hackers very hesitant to release new information due to being afraid of legal issues

blumatt2835d ago

They deserve it. The only reason why these people are wanting to hack the PS3 is to play illegal ROMs and try to pirate PS3 games. I hope they get fined at least.

Sarcasm2835d ago

It's pretty lame how they keep trying to act all innocent.

JhawkFootball062835d ago

Sony could very well lose this case. There was a reason Apple never chose to sue Geohot, after he continues to hack almost every firmware they release for the iphone.

EyeContact2835d ago


True, but notice the charges. they intend to sue everything but the hacking part, because it is a flawed argument. Sony is just throwing everything on the board hoping something would stick.

I think its more of a desperation act if you ask me. Hoping it would slow down the jail break and deter the hackers for a bit.

ProjectVulcan2835d ago

Begun, the legal war has.

I'm interested in seeing how he escapes from this unharmed if he did indeed agree to the PSN user agreement. Im curious to what legal protection that particular section affords SCEA in american law. As far as i know that would give sony more leverage against this than just say an iphone with no strictly enforced terms of service by apple

evrfighter2835d ago

Actually hawk what this does is attract the attention of all the other hackers. Most would not hesitate to go after corporations when they smell blood. Apple tried to sue him already. Not only did they lose but it is now legal to jailbreak.

HolyOrangeCows2835d ago

And after FailOverBilbo and Frodo, the rest of you hobbits are next! lol

Glad to see action being taken against these creeps. GeoNotz exploits companies for his own gain of E-peni.

And don't give me the "Homebrew" crap. If you wanted to do homebrew stuff, you could do twice as much on hardware that these common hackers understand....a PC.

Prototype2835d ago

The sooner the better, also I hope everyone who does hack the ps3 gets bricked, their Trophy Score reset, and banned from psn

jerethdagryphon2835d ago

they accepted the sony psn agreement when they made an account, which they have to make to use the system

ive read the papers and most of there points are valid,

this will cause harm to sony and they have violated copyright laws good luck sony

morganfell2835d ago

If you think Sony are throwing everything on the board hoping something sticks then you are wrong. It's called take a hammer to a glass nail. They are sending a message to every hacker out there that they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Do you not realize that Title I of the US DMCA, the WIPO Copyright and Performances and Phonograms Treaties Implementation Act has provisions that prevent persons from circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work.

That means if a manufacturer has some kind of program, USB dongle, or password protection measure installed in the software/hardware to prevent illegal access, any attempt to bypass such a measure is in itself illegal. It isn't just copying the games but under DMCA jailbreaking game consoles is illegal.

If you don't think Sony has a case then you need to review the DMCA, the WIPO Treaties, and the US Federal Software Piracy Laws The Copyright Act (17 U.S.C.A. § 1 et seq.) And that's just one law that doesn't include the State of California. State is icing on the cake as their crime is a felony under federal law.

Try $250,000 and 5 years in jail for criminal liability and $150,000 for EVERY software infringement. Take every game they made playable illegally and multiply that by $150,000.

When they get out of jail the only thing that evil frodo is going to be hearing is, "Super Size me." Welcome to a life of financial ruin where you will not be allowed to own a computer or even a smartphone. And just remember this you little worm geohot. You asked for it.

Best2835d ago

This won't stop anyone from pirating games. Sony, the battle is lost.

Ryudo2835d ago

Am sorry I know am gona get fan raged for this, and am not a fan of piracy but...

I would rather not be sued every time I decide to mod a piece of hardware I bought legally with my own money.

So I hope this case if it's even real fails so badly.

zag2835d ago

Geohot is in the USA and he's a goner.

he'll be bankrupt for the rest of his natural life.

If a mother can be done over for 200+ million dollars from a jury as well so what do you think he's going to get in a US court.

Apple will be next on the door step and they have sued people for jail breaking.

I bet his dad going to be pissed big time as he runs a tech company I'd say he could lose his job as people generally don't want crims in their business ripping them off even if they aren't directly linked.

Sony will be doing him for the decryption and the reverse engineering that's a huge no no in the USA, as well as being an enabler of piracy on the PS3 system.

he'll be in jail with a huge payout to sony or not in jail but still have a huge payout to sony.

real life baby! gotta love it, bitch kicked in tha bwals, he'll have to get used to it and once your 21 it sticks for life, bye bye tech jobs.

sunnygrg2835d ago

I hope their mothers are rich enough to pay for their legal damages in the ensuing court battle.

d3nworth12835d ago

yes you bought the hardware and can do what ever you want with it but when you use it to play pirated software then the company has a right to step in.

rockleex2835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

They are being sued for using releasing Sony's private keys and using it to run their own unauthorized software.

In other hacks, homebrews, and mods, they never had to sign their code with the official key. So therefore its hard to sue them. All they did was get rid of security.

But this time, its TOTALLY different. They stole Sony's private key and used it to sign their own codes without Sony's permission.

That's VERY MUCH against the law.

That's like me stealing McDonald's private recipes and releasing it to the public so everyone can make their own McChickens or Big Macs.

Mahr2835d ago

"Do you not realize that Title I of the US DMCA, the WIPO Copyright and Performances and Phonograms Treaties Implementation Act has provisions that prevent persons from circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work."

Sorry, Charlie, but the technical law is irrelevant; whether or not a court will enforce that law is what actually matters. And the courts have ruled time and time again that laws involving the circumvention of copy protection are insufficient grounds to prohibit fair use.

Read 'em and weep.

Decrypted and copied DVDs in Norway.

Mod chips in the UK and Australia.

PS3 Jailbreaking in Spain.

iPhone Jailbreaking in the US.

How about console mod chips in the US?


"That means if a manufacturer has some kind of program, USB dongle, or password protection measure installed in the software/hardware to prevent illegal access, any attempt to bypass such a measure is in itself illegal. It isn't just copying the games but under DMCA jailbreaking game consoles is illegal"

Right, and that law is garbage, which is why the courts, across countries and media formats, have decided against enforcing it and its ilk. Heck, if the prosecution in the Matthew Crippen case had not imploded, we would almost certainly *already* have a precedent striking down that little provision and ensuring full legal protection for the modding community.

"Geohot is in the USA and he's a goner.

he'll be bankrupt for the rest of his natural life."

This is exactly the type of case that the Electronic Frontier Foundation -- which has argued successfully against Sony before (and which won the iPhone Jailbreak case) -- undertakes for free.

The merits of the case strongly favor Geohot, and a favorable decision for him will be landmark precedent legalizing the use of Homebrew on *every* console.

It's been a long time comin'.

MeanOldman2835d ago

too bad mahr. for ever case you nitpick theres a hundred others where the rulin went the other way. nice try but you fail.

and sony and ever company with anything to lose an their lawyers > over the eff.

heres what dudes like you ignore. jaibreakin is for some phones an then its only for software you already legally own. sorry dude but the technical law has been enforced a hundred times for every exception. these guys are goin down and them an their pirate buddies have ruined their life. bye bye now.

zeeshan2835d ago

Most of you guys are missing the point here. This will anger the hacking community and will work towards uniting hackers. A couple of people trying to break a system's security is one thing but a whole bunch of them is going to cause some serious problems for Sony.

Leaking something on the internet while remaining anonymous is not at all a big issue! You can easily have a contact outside US and get them to leak your work. Sony, M$ and Nintendo can't do ANYTHING to win this battle by going after one person or heck even a group. The sheer number of hackers out there can beat even these giants and we have seen this happen in the past with the most recent one being PS3 security getting compromised.

Really, I believe this will unite all the hackers and is going to become an ugly war between Sony and hacking community and I seriously doubt Sony's chances of winning this one.

Mahr2835d ago

"too bad mahr. for ever case you nitpick theres a hundred others where the rulin went the other way."

If there are a hundred, then it would have been very easy for you to link me to them.

"nice try but you fail."

My cases have the benefit of being real; yours are imaginary. I win.

"and sony and ever company with anything to lose an their lawyers > over the eff."

Sony has fought the EFF before. Sony lost.

Established fact > your opinion.

"jaibreakin is for some phones"

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. All those courts in all those countries said it applied to consoles -- and the courts in the US have given every indication that they will say the same. It is just a matter of time.

"sorry dude but the technical law has been enforced a hundred times for every exception"

You do not seem to understand the concept of legal precedent. Those cases are not 'exceptions'; those cases are now the supreme law of the land in those countries.

"these guys are goin down"

You want it to be one way -- but it's the other way.

Vherostar2835d ago

Ms used piracy to sell consoles.. Sony sues people who use piracy.. Massive difference in approach here.

MintBerryCrunch2835d ago

i've already said this once...but people arent getting what a TRO is

No one has been sued yet and this isn't really even a "lawsuit", again, yet. All Sony has filed is a Motion for TRO (temporary retraining order) asking that all jailbreaking tools and information be removed from the web and all hardware associated with such tools be impounded. Sony has not filed a complaint for copyright infringement.

MeanOldman2835d ago

you wouldnt make a very smart criminal mahr. better keep walking that line. cause according to you its smart to commit a crime cause you think the law will get changed before you are prosecuted. good luck with that. want to hedge millions of dollars and 5 years in jail?

put your money where your mouth is mahr. if you are so convinced you are right lets see you do something besides talk about it.

an open a ps3 hack site an start carrying geohots hack for download. lets see who believes most in what will happen.

you or me.

i bet its me. otherwise you need to just start walkin pal.

HappyGaming2835d ago

Lol I guess Geohot didnt get the job offer he was asking for from Sony...

Note Geohot: In your CV next time don't say:

It would be fun to be on the other side
(and than give out a code that harms that company)

The first line makes it sound like you see this job as a joke and that you are not serious or stable. How can Sony know you won't fuck them over again if you are unstable?

The second line makes your first line sound even worse.

DelbertGrady2835d ago

I never knew Sony had this many defense lawyers. lol.

sikbeta2835d ago

HELL YEAH!!! Right in your [email protected] Faces Douches!!! HUA! Make them Pay SONY, make them pay!!!!

NeutralGamer2835d ago

now THAT is how you deal with piracy :D

batterystrength2835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(7)(B) – Intent to Extort:

(a) Whoever—
(1) having knowingly accessed a computer without authorization or exceeding authorized access [...]

...(7)with intent to extort from any person any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any—

(A) [...]

(B) threat to obtain information from a protected computer without authorization or in excess of authorization or to impair the confidentiality of information obtained from a protected computer without authorization or by exceeding authorized access; or

(C) demand or request for money or other thing of value in relation to damage to a protected computer, where such damage was caused to facilitate the extortion;
shall be punished as provided in subsection (c) of this section...

Didn't Geohot say something like if they want a secure system they should hire him ? Or am I misinformed ?

DragonKnight2835d ago

To the people justifying what these people do claiming that they are only modifying something they already own, I once again adamantly reiterate that THEY DO NOT OWN THE SOFTWARE!!

Look, you want to perform case mods? Go ahead, Sony can't stop you. They won't pay for repairs if you break the console in the process, but they can't stop you from making the case mod. You want to rearrange the locations of circuit boards, heat sinks, fans, the laser or disc tray... you can do that too. Replace the blue laser diode, all the power to you and Sony won't go after you.

But the SOFTWARE is owned by Sony. Every time you agree to the TOS, you agree to that one little fact. So everything you do to software you don't own is illegal. It's a plain and simple fact. So, sorry GeoHot and Fail0verflow, what you did was in fact illegal.

deafwing2835d ago

wow the comment count is amazing Batman!


fossilfern2835d ago

YEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! happy days!

MerkinMax2835d ago

They were well aware of what would happen when they released the mods. People have froze my PS3 intentionally while playing MW2 which is complete bullshit.

deafwing2835d ago

I think failOverflow, if sued and the the lawsuit actually gets anywhere (maybe months from now) .. they'll fight this statement

18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(7)(B) – Intent to Extort"

NickIni2835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

Quite amusing the amount of 'wanna-be' lawyers on here. Given what happened with Apple, Sony wouldn't have rushed into this, they'd have definitely given it more thought and analysis than asking a couple of 14-year-olds on the internet who apparently seem to know more about the law than professionals. They must be pretty certain they can win it too and will throw a large sum of cash at it.

And the people who are wanting Geohot to win shouldn't be calling themselves Gamers.

WhittO2835d ago

So they should, I hope they bleed them dry so they are too scared to hack any other future consoles/devices.

pixelsword2834d ago

Because you're all about to experience a world of pain.

Mahr2834d ago

"you wouldnt make a very smart criminal mahr"

I have in modded in some fashion almost every single console I have ever owned, and I have owned a considerable number of them. According to your bizarre logic, that already makes me a criminal, now, doesn't it?

And yet here I sit, in good conscience and in precisely zero fear of ever even getting arrested, let alone going to jail, for anything.

"good luck with that. want to hedge millions of dollars and 5 years in jail?"

Are you admitting that even though I am a modder, I am not *already* on the hook for that punishment? Many thanks for proving my point.

"Quite amusing the amount of 'wanna-be' lawyers on here. Given what happened with Apple, Sony wouldn't have rushed into this, they'd have definitely given it more thought and analysis than asking a couple of 14-year-olds on the internet."

This was the exact same argument I heard when Sony was trying that case in Spain. You know, the case that they lost. And in losing, legalized PS3 jailbreaking throughout the entire country. And where afterward Sony was actually forced to pay damages to everyone it had sued over the issue.

Yeah, that case was pretty awesome. I think someone posted a link to it above.

"They must be pretty certain they can win it too and will throw a large sum of cash at it"

Literally every major corporation that has ever engaged in a lawsuit has thrown a large sum of money at it. But thankfully, the modern justice system is designed such that you cannot win every case by virtue of the fact that you have gajillion dollar lawyers. See above for examples.

As for the 'careful analysis and certainty' argument, that is very easily refuted by the attempts to charge all the members of Fail0verflow, the majority of whom do not even live in North America, with violations under US law. There is absolutely no intellectually-honest way by which a person can believe that such a path has any chance of succeeding.

It is a complete and utter act of desperation. And based off the merits presented, there is no reason to believe that suing Geohot would be *any* better.

SkyGamer2834d ago

I like how everyone ASSUMES that the whole reason why people hack systems is to pirate games. Maybe some people are pissed because sony took out features? Maybe some want to use homebrew. Not all people pirate games. Besides, if they put a game on their hdd and do not distribute it, maybe to test the game out before buying it, what is the harm in that? If a game is really worthy of your hard-earned money, then you will buy it. I bought Halo Reach Legendary Edition, RE4 Gold, Castlevania LoS, Nier amongst others KNOWING full well I could have pirated them but I chose to support the devs. What most people don't realize is a small factor called "free will."

"Just because you can doesn't mean you will." - SkyMan

blahblah2834d ago


so you didn't really read the papers;) if you would you would see how desperate sony lawyers were. either that, or they are just so bad firm, they shouldn't ever step into courtroom

didn't see so lame and desperate attempt since SCO. by the end of second one i was just waiting the part where they say Geohot is the party responsible for global warming.

if you read the first paper, you can notice how they want to throw pirating games on them... by using Twitter message. that was funny as hell. for extortion... rofl

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jidery2835d ago

I hope this guy gets owned, he is going to cost Sony millions.

theonlylolking2835d ago

He is costing gamers games and well everything gaming.

EyeContact2835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

lets see the list this guy cost us gamers.


New IPs from the many Sony studios.

shifting production from upgrading PSN to deterring hackers

No advertising for Infamous 2

resulting Sony to focus on more casual cash-cow games.

I like the idea of piracy. But also don't because i am a gamer so i guess i'm on both sides of the fence. =/

JD_Shadow2835d ago

I don't understand where any of your listed things have to do with the pirating/hacking/whatever we're calling it.


Why does every single person go to this? How many times do I have to explain this? THIS WAS NOT EVEN INCLUDED WITH THE SLIM MODELS, YET NO ONE NOTICED OR BITCHED ABOUT IT! It was more than likely to be removed from the fat models no matter what and they used the hack as an excuse to remove it. And when it WAS removed, you guys QQed to SONY, not to Geohot. Now suddenly, it's HIS fault that something that wasn't even IN the new models prior to knowing that the OtherOS thing EXISTED got removed from the models that still had it for reasons that Sony had a cover story for? Tell me where the logic behind that reason is.

"New IPs from the many Sony studios."

Not sure if this is what you meant or not, but how in the HELL is THIS a BAD thing? This is what we WANT MS to do instead of relying too much on third party exclusive DLC and buying out third party Sony exclusives (only we get hit by "shut up fanboy" or "you weren't entitled to [insert game here] anyway" every single time we bring it up). If that's what it takes for MS to get to giving us more first party titles, then by all means, hack the living HELL out of that damn 360!

"shifting production from upgrading PSN to deterring hackers"

Though I can see your point here, it does seem like Sony is focusing too much on keeping the PS3 hacker-proof. That's the fault of Sony, not the hackers. They should keep those that use the means to do detrimental things from doing them, but homebrew games are not one of those things, and Sony seems to DESPISE homebrew for reasons I cannot begin to understand (hell, do they even HAVE a reason that they have even given). They've done this since the PSP hacking days, and the new features were a sort-of bait for those unsuspecting people to actually take the "security fixes" along with the attractive features (which are very nice, don't get me wrong here).

"No advertising for Infamous 2"

Though advertising for Sony's games have gotten better, the lack of adequate advertising for anything PS3 has been a problem for YEARS. How can we put it to just piracy and the hack?

"resulting Sony to focus on more casual cash-cow games."

It would take me a novel to tell you how much there is that's wrong with that statement.

l_P_Freely2835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

otherOS, you may not have it but first generation owners do have that option and it came in handy to other users. if you kept track of Geohots blog, the key element of hacking the PS3 was though OtherOS. end of statement.

This is a sony article and not an xbox article. Keep it simple. First off, Sony is, if not one of the best game developing company in the business and they push their games more than anyone in the biz. How are they to make more block buster hits if they were to spread their money thin, and attempt to keep all their studios running when your company is in the negative all the time. How are you to advertise your games when you're spending your hard earned cash on making games and not to mention there are over 20 studios. please explain

and this brings me to Infamous 2 if you were keeping track on N4g. Sony was going to do a full out multi-million dollar advertising campaign for Infamous. But now their attention is adverted to keeping the PS3 "hacker proof" lol.

and as for "casual cash-cow" games. if Sony loses this case (which it looks like they will) it leaves Sony open for a counter sue spending millions more. as i said relying on cash cow profit to make up for the hardcore games that are being pirated.

juggulator2835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

How does it look like Sony is going to lose the case.

Multi million(no make that BILLION) dollar Sony vs poor butthurt hacker. Money always wins.

OtherOS is the double edge sword of this whole debacle.OtherOS allowed Geohot to run his own code and exploits but Sony knew the feature needed to be removed in order for the new form factor to be a true gaming console.

Things like new IPs, less advertising, and focusing on more casual cash-cow games are what could happen if these hacks continue to plague the gaming industry.

pixelsword2834d ago

They won't cost Sony anything; We who have to legally pay for games and services, however...

deafwing2834d ago

lol what is the big deal about using linux
seriously pick up an old laptop somewhere and install gnome and be happy people

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ZombieNinjaPanda2835d ago


Since when are you criminal scum for messing around with a piece of hardware you own?

Think before you say words. Now those who pirate are the ones who are technically breaking the law, but who am I kidding, every single one here has pirated something before.

Godmars2902835d ago

"Since when are you criminal scum for messing around with a piece of hardware you own?"

Pretty sure modifying to use copies of other product meant to be bought or offered from other vendors, also no purchased, qualifies.

In other words using something you bought to use other things that you haven't bought makes you a thief. Weather it be 20 year old Nintendo games still under license, or 360 games coming out tomorrow. That makes someone who does it criminal scum.

BattleAxe2835d ago

@ Zombie

lol its not like he's messing around with his hardware for his own personal use. He's publicly exposing Sony's software for the masses to engage in piracy.

I hope they nail this idiot.

ComboBreaker2835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

Since when are you criminal scum for messing around with a piece of hardware you own?

He owned his hardware, but Sony own the private root key. Stealing Sony's private root key and distributing it over the internet, using Sony's private root key for illegal activities, signing code with Sony's private root key without a license and without Sony's consent... All these things are illegal and unethical.

ZombieNinjaPanda2835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

Edit: @Venom
And I'm chillin with Tupac and Biggie Smalls right now. Both are believable amirite?

Edit: @ RememberThe357

Oh I'm in the same boat too. I don't want the platform overrun with piracy and cheating, but I too also realize that I've pirated things before. I just have to say I hate the fact that everyone here is acting like they are so innocent.

Edit: @ComboBreaker

House Key =/= electronical device. Though your arguments backing up what your saying are much better than what is said up above.


Hackers don't hack things for piracy, they hack them to have more features, hence the reason jailbreaking the iphone is now legal in the United States. The only problem is that hacking something has the adverse effect of piracy being let lose. It's like the Pandora's box effect. Hope is let out, but so is every other evil in the world. In this case piracy.


20 year old Nintendo games that are still under license but aren't being produced anymore. Explain to me other ways to get them?

Point being, these people aren't criminal scum, they may be douche bags, but they're not scum. Then again, what am I saying, only since the Ps3 has been hacked have these guys been criminals and scum.

RememberThe3572835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

I know I have. I'm stuck between the knowledge that I have committed similar crimes and the desire to keep the PS3 platform healthy. I find it hard to believe that people can take a side so easily.

I want the PS3 to stay healthy and not turn into the waste land that is the PSP, but I also know that I have done similar things with downloading tv shows for instance.

How can you be completely on the side of pirates knowing how much trouble they are causing on the platform you use. Frankly, in long term capitalist markets the more you steal the less you get. Without the available revenue product investment goes down.

At the same time how can many of us villainize what we do ourselves. How is it OK to pirate tv shows, movies and anime, but it's not OK to pirate games? How do we make that destruction?

I may be the only one, but I can't seem to take a side in all this. I don't want to see piracy but I also don't want to be a hypocrite.

EDIT: I find it interesting that these hackers are acting like Sony is the bad guy in this one. How is it that they are so narrow minded that they didn't see this coming? They act like they're the righteous ones but they don't have billions riding on the PS3. Anyone in Sony's shoes would do the same thing.

@BeOneWithTheGun: That is a completely different situation that doesn't serve to make any point. For you can't infinitely duplicate your car and give those duplicates to everyone who wants one.

jack_burt0n2835d ago

Come on get real, modding your console at home on your own is one thing.

Enabling and releasing all those modifications, information and making a song and dance about it, will get your ass sued lol.

geohot is the one they should target great to see him bankrupted and jail timed, irrelevant to what he did he is a d*ck.

BeOneWithTheGun2835d ago

To ur disagreers: if i buy a car and modify the engine to double my gas milage can oil makers sue me for lost profits?

VenomProject2835d ago

I've never pirated anything, not even an MP3.

Just because most people are pirating scum doesn't mean you should accuse everyone in a broad generalization.

nsnsmj2835d ago

Since when has homebrew only been about making emulators to play roms or finding ways to used unowned products. Homebrew could result in people making there own games run on the PS3, maybe some new apps, a better browser, etc.

Yes, there's always gonna be a downside, like hacking. But hell, downsides apply for everything in life. We don't even know for a FACT if Geohot and this group of hackers intent was for pirating, and won't until they're proven guilty or admit it themselves.

DeadIIIRed2835d ago

@beonewiththegun apples and oranges guy, unless you want to clarify the comparison between modifying an engine to increase gas mileage and transmitting confidential code knowing that theft is a consequence.

jerethdagryphon2835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

simple he owns the physical materials thats what he paid for, he doesnt own any of the code the firmware softwares or anything else

by deriving the keys he has commeted theft and corperate espionage if he had modified the hardware like ben heck does fine hes clear sonys not gonna sue heck over making a ps3 laptop theres no harm to them in it, i also think the dmca got a bit confused with what they considered jailbreaking, hots inital hack was removing a providor lock on the iphone so others could use it other then atat customers. thats fine

theres no reason to hack a ps3 the homebrew argument fails as it not designed for that do you hack a microwave to play music no. or a cdplayer to make teephone calls .

at any rate fail overflow and hotz stole sonys code thats theft doesnt matter how they got it if they had worked it out fine its an intelectual excercise but soon as they used it its theft

@ hsx9 : hardly he trialed blackmailing sony

if you want your next console to be secure hire me. thats a threat implied intention to hack there next console with a payoff of financial gain(employment)

blackmail is against the law further more these people have proven they cant be trusted in any position of athority with technolagy. i wouldnt hire them and nor should sony, its different when you hire someone with the express intention of using them to test security

or when a security firm throws up a challenge to hackers and stuff to test there own.

this is not legal and i hope sony win and makes it so hots and fail have to pay some sort of major resitution based on the number of sales sony loses from there nonsense.

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Billy_Dee_Williams2835d ago

This was bound to happen. Lets see real justice. What laws did geohot actually break? Hopefully the judgement is fair and not biased towards SOny.

Billy_Dee_Williams2835d ago

To my disagrees: I'm not saying he is innocent, I am just saying while something may be morally wrong, it may not be as bad legally as one would think. I dont know all te details, but I am excited to find out.

Bathyj2835d ago

Not me.

I hope the Judge is a GT fan.

HSx92835d ago

there are Sony fanatics who do not understand how the justice system works, I have almost been sued by Activision for "hacking" as well, and I'll tell you it's not fun when a multi-million company is about to sue you, thankfully Activision backed off.
Sure Geohot has done something that he should have kept a bit more private, but I am reading the documents and Sony is just trying to Accuse him of "allowing piracy" on the PS3. Geohot's Custom Firmware does not allow you to run Pirated Games, it has been confirmed, he disabled it because he knew he could get in legal trouble, Right now Sony is using a scare tactic and just suing for perhaps Copyright infringement, hopefully nothing bad happens to these kids, they are really smart and instead of Sony destroying their life's they could hire them to secure their console. They are young and very smart, all of us in this website wouldn't know how to hack this console even with our brains combined.

HSx92835d ago

I like how sony stretched the truth
"Indeed, in the last few days, people have already started copying, playing and
trafficking in pirated copies of video games using the 3.55 Firmware Jailbreak."

Nobody has figured out how to run pirated games, or in this case "back up" games, people are still trying to figure it out. The only way to do this is by using an exploit in the eboot which launches it directly, and you can only do that with 3-10 games.

RememberThe3572835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

It's not hard to see where your coming from, but you also have to be aware of your own perspective as a hacker.

You mention that Geohut specifically disabled the ability to run pirated software from his firmware. But the argument could be made that if he removed it from his firmware he had to know that someone else would inevitably hack it and make it work. And if he truly didn't want to enable piracy he would not have release his firmware.

You also say that Sony should hire them to hack their consoles and that would be grab barring the fact that their job interview would have coast their employer potentially millions of dollars. It took them four years to figure the security out, and that's four years too late if you work for Sony.

I don't want to see these guys lives ruined either, but they all knew what they were doing and when they had the chance to back off they didn't. If their is one thing in life that is constant it's that you reap what you sow. When you bag and insane murderer to shoot you in the face don't be surprised when he pulls the figure.

Hopefully this doesn't turn out too bad for either party involved.

EDIT: @your second comment:
"'Indeed, in the last few days, people have already started copying, playing and trafficking in pirated copies of video games using the 3.55 Firmware Jailbreak.'

The only way to do this is by using an exploit in the eboot which launches it directly, and you can only do that with 3-10 games."

You just explained exactly what their talking about. Stretching the truth and stating the truth are different. And by your comment it seems that they are indeed stating the truth.

HSx92835d ago (Edited 2835d ago )

hopefully u weren't one of the idiots who disagreed with my first post, but yeah I understand what you mean too, and the eboot exploit, you can do by using 3.41 firmware which geohot was never a part of, and data transferring the 3.41 firmware to a 3.55 firmware via the "Data Transfer Utility" feature on the PS3, without running any malicious code.