KitGuru: "OK, the chances of the next XBox being called 720 are 50:50 at best but, for now, at least you all know what we’re talking about. While the name and final design for the box and packaging might still be up in the air, the internals appear to have been locked down. KitGuru investigates."
A partially redacted data sheet highlighting the expected ray tracing features coming to RDNA 4 GPUs has been shared by well-known hardware information leaker @Kepler_L2. We expect the features to also be present in the hybrid RDNA 3 + RDNA 4 RT design coming to PS5 Pro when it launches (presumably) later this year or early next year. The leaked data points seem to confirm that advancing ray tracing technology is going to be a major focus of RDNA 4.
This will be the actual start to Ray Tracing on consoles, I'm really looking forward to seeing what PSSR is capable of as well.
I can't wait to see what games designed around this can do.
Don’t hope for anything major imo. RT remains a power consuming feature and I don’t think a pro version will make all that much difference. Higher frames (say 60fps) with RT features as they are now would be a big win if that would be the case. If RT features would be extended, games will probably stick at 30fps like they do now, is that worth a pro upgrade?
Zero first, second or major third party console exclusives have lacked a 60 fps mode on PlayStation, 30 fps is an xbox problem.
The GPU alone statistically offers 40% uplift, and with PSSR upscaling games designed around the console should have a significant performance uplift.
And my understanding is that RT has been largely decoupled from the CU's in RDNA 4 so the performance hit from RT should be much less than on current AMD GPUS. And regardless, the huge number of RT cores with the doubled RT intersect engine should be able to power through RT in a way that simply is not possible on current consoles.
With a rumored (according to the leaks) 4x performance jump in RT performance (and a 40% boost in overall GPU performance), in addition to the added AI upscaling frame generation tech, the actual RT performance increase should be significant.
@Frosty; 40% GPU boost you claim. With PS4 pro vs base at the time, that increase basicly doubled so 40% ain’t that big of a deal imo.
4x performance jump with RT (if true) sounds impressive but will we be able to play games in 60fps quality mode then? If not then pro is a waste as most gamers prefer 60fps performance over 30fps quality mode.
@sagapo
The PS4 Pro had the same GPU as the PS4, the PS5 Pro is switching from RNDA 2 to a mix of RDNA 3 and 4. The 40% increase is just the CU increase and doesn't include any uplift from the technological improvements AMD has done to RDNA which have been significat.
PS5 Pro is going to be a much bigger improvement than the PS4 Pro was, especially when you take into account the RT improvements..
@Einhander; assuming you are right, answer my question: will the pro do 60fps in quality (RT) modes? Because if not, why bother imo.
I really hope so, AMD has been pretty far from Nvidia's performance on Ray Tracing, so to see such a huge uplift, with greater performance and efficiency is a big win.
if astro bot is fully raytraced / 60fps on the pro model, we can start believing the hype
No games are fully raytraced as of now, even on PC. All of them utilize a combination of raytraced and rasterized graphics, with ray tracing being used for shadows, reflections, or global illumination in the best cases, but not for the entire rendering process.
There's gonna be quite a difference between ps5 and ps5 pro compared to ps4 and ps4 pro
agreed, PS4 Pro was only geared at pushing more pixels per frame (and HDR), not making those pixels look better in the process. PS4 Pro didn't offer much as far as increasing the actual quality of the rendering went.
Expecially when ps5 is around 10tflops and ps5 pro rumored to be 30tflops compared to ps4 at 1.84tflops and ps4 pro at 4.2tflops u could pretty much call it a ps6 near enough. Then ps5 pro could be using rdna 3 or say rdna 3.5 because it's rumoured to be using that newly assets of rdna 4 which benefit greatly on resolution and Raytracing even effect etc etc. What would be nice for sony greatly benefit is amd solution of the X3D in its Cpu on cpu bound games
As always:
I can't wait for the specs of the new consoles.
Wether it's NSW2, Xbox Next or PS6.
If Cerny stays the lead architect of the PS6's hardware (which is very likely I guess?), I am VERY excited for Sony's approach.
They've always done something unique noone else did.
And I expect the same for the PS6.
Edit: man, crazy. PS6 (six!) is already near! Time flies.
Ceeny won't be going anywhere I don't think. He and his team have produced back to back amazing consoles
What I want to know is what the price for pro will be since it's much more powerful compared to regular PS5
Microsoft was quick to fire back against the FTC’s latest claim
All the whiners 😭 complaining about Gamepass, where were they when Sony increased their prices and introduced several tiers for PS Plus membership?
When Sony does it, it's perfectly acceptable. When Microsoft does it, all hell breaks loose...
Hypocrites 🤡 much!
BTW, I bet most whiners 😭 complaining don't have or even care about Gamepass. They whine simply because it's Microsoft.
We were very vocal and many people including myself cancelled their subs. Tf are you talking about? 🤣
As isarai..said. even i cancelled it when they raised their prices. Im enjoying single player games now.
It's not the price increase the main problem. It's the removal of day one releases for console users while PC user are safe (for now). It's a weird message being send to console fan ( "You should have bought a PC bro !)
This has nothing to do with PlayStation, this is about Microsoft breaking its promises.
Bringing up PlayStation is just a petty deflection attempt to not take responsibility for their own actions.
People are unhappy because this has caused thousands of people to lose their jobs, four studio closures and xbox owners should be mad about price increases and the fact that Microsoft paywalled day one games breaking their promise to their own consumers. Now even if you don't want Call of Duty you're paying for it.
The xboners like you who keep defending this type of stuff are actually making things worse for yourselves because you keep sending the message that no matter how much Microsoft bends you over by breaking their promises you're still going to defend them.
Xbox gamers make gaming worse for everyone every time they defend this type of crap.
@Einhander1972
When ponies like you accept anything Sony does without complaining, that's the major problem here...
Sony can do anything they want, and people like you will simply take it with a smile.
This has nothing to do with Sony.
It just shows how weak the argument is when the best you and Microsoft can can do is deflect with whataboutism's.
This is about Microsoft buying a huge publisher then going to court and saying things they knew weren't true, then going back on their own word. They went into court and knew telling the truth wouldn't be popular with either the court or the public so they lied in court. That is what is being judged here, not anything that Sony did.
You claim we are defending a price increase, but you are defending outright lies that have caused studio closures job losses and your own price increases and new games are paywalled to a higher tier.
And what did you get? Games that you were already going to get without buying these publishers. And on top of that now regardless of if someone actually wanted the games they are forced to pay extra for them.
The scale difference between our two arguments is huge.
"Sony can do anything they want, and people like you will simply take it with a smile"
Isn't that what you are doing with Microsoft's price increase you hypocrite? I bet you were the first to complain about Sony's increase, but not surprisingly first to defend Microsoft's increase because you are a hypocrite.
They didn't "remove day one" for console users, they created a tier that doesn't get them. They basically brought back Live Gold with GamePass games instead of monthly drops.
Yeah I complained when Sony increased their prices it was dramatic and they didn't even comment on why it was fine and I'll complain here to
In fact there was a huge outcry just because you missed it doesn't mean it didn't happen
It wasn’t the same thing. Sony’s tiers didn’t take anything away from people. Two of the tiers already existed. No promise was broken. Xbox tiers are breaking promises MS has made regarding day one, while also increasing price.
People were complaining and pissed. Only you seem to think Sony gamers graciously accepted it. You sure do whine a lot don't you
^^^^
@Hotpot
"Your turn, criticize MS yourself, right now."
He's a hypocrite so he won't. He's going to simply take it with a smile on his face like the pic in his avi 😭
I’m not trying to be an ass here when asking this, I just genuinely want to understand more. What’s the case that the FTC have?
@crismon
Microsoft said to courts when they purchased Activision they wouldn't raise the price with gamepass but they did after they got Activision.
@slave3: “It a warp lol ftc is need but this case against Ms is over.
😭😭”
Well at least PLAYSTATION GET ALL Xbox FORMER “EXCLUSIVES”.
GEAR is next on the list of lubricants before they ram the big HALO on PlayStation.
So enjoy winning that FTC battle to badly loose the war 😭😭.
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I mean, yeah.. if any of these tier options aren't right for you, you can always just buy your games the old fashioned way.
You can buy games the old fashioned way now. Microsoft’s end game is releasing Call of Duty exclusivity on Game Pass.
For now.
I can assure you, Microsoft wants subscriptions to access their games.
Just a matter of when not if or optional.
If the price raise was attributed to the acquisition. Nobody can make that claim, and every sub service has been raising their prices. Sony made a massive one not long ago.
The problem is Gamepass price was already raised last year, just for them to raise it again this year. That right there will help the FTC's argument
It's only gets magnified when Spencer's words don't match what the company does. He said publically gamepass wouldn't change as a result of COD. He said the price wouldn't change. Both of those things were clearly untrue. Among other things
They didn't just raise the price though, they also removed day one games from the standard tier and paywalled new games behind a more expensive tier which they also raised the price on.
And the FTC's appeal also brings up the job losses and studio closures as evidence that this deal should have been blocked.
Well, one thing is for sure Microsoft knows more than anyone about misleading people.
The fact is Microsoft said they wouldn't raise prices due to the merger then they did including making a new tier of game pass. They said they wouldn't fire people and they did. And they also closed studios so it's hard to argue that the effect on the consumer and the industry hasn't been negative.
This is a incredibly weak rebuttal.
Go and google the FTC case against Sony for misleading it's customers about the PS Vita. Then come back and discuss who knows more than anyone about misleading people.
What you claim Microsoft said is just lies. They never said they wouldn't raise prices or fire anyone. And even if they did it's their right. You statement is pretty weak and proves nothing but you have a bias just like so many other people here. You guys are just butt hurt that Microsoft won this case and it backfired in Sony's face because they threw stones and thought their own deals would not be a factor but they were. As a matter of fact it was one of the factors that helped MS win the case. Just take the L because it's a done deal. It seems the only effects from this deal is upset playstation only fans who thought the deal was never going to happen. Microsoft won. Get over it. Stop worrying about things we have no control of. Just play games you like and don't focus so much on who made it and all that petty stuff.
You're here again Sony grrrr in a MICROSOFT article
Just chuffed you've given up the obsession with Jim Ryan with just a few more sessions and you'll be able to comment on the actual article you can do it reaper the community is right behind you
Chin up
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You don't understand.
Sony is not part of this appeal at all. Sony wasn't even a part of the original FTC case. The FTC brought this case aledging that Micrsofts buyout of ABK would have a negative impact on the industry. They claimed that it would cause job loss and and that the consumer and the industry would be negativly effected from the buy out including from price increases to game pass.
Sony was only there to provide testimony on how they expected the buyour to negativly effect thier buisness.
They did not file the suit.
This appeal is of the ruling that blocked their injunction, and the FTC is presenting evidence that the buyout has in fact had the negative impact that they said it would and which was the basis for their injunction call.
The fact that you and Microsoft need to keep bringing up Sony instead of actually defending the actions themselves shows that you don't actually have a defense at all.
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Despite losing its lawsuit seeking an injunction to freeze Microsoft’s purchase of Activision Blizzard in July 2023, the FTC appealed the decision with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. While it awaits a final decision from those justices, the FTC’s been filing additional evidence to support its claims that the merger would hurt competition in gaming and hurt customers, including a letter from earlier this year after Microsoft laid off nearly 2,000 employees across the newly acquired teams.
FTC never heard of inflation. Did they expect Gampass to remain the same price forever?
Would be funny if Gampass remained at 10€ fifty years from now...
"Microsoft insists Game Pass prices ‘will not increase as a result of Activision merger"
https://www.videogameschron...
"It says a price rise “would be counter-productive as it would increase subscriber churn rates”
"Game Pass prices will not increase as a result of the Merger"
Gamepass wouldn't increase in result of the merger... but it doesn't mean it wouldn't increase due to other reasons, like inflation, extra expenses, etc. Do you expect Gamepass to remain the same price forever?
All other online services have been increasing prices.
I cancelled my Ultimate sub after the announcement, so they were right. And yet, they still did it. That is so MS.
Inflation is down since they made that statement.
They also call into question the 2000+ people Microsoft has fired from the developers they bought.
And again, this is contradictory to what Microsoft said they would do.
They lied in court.
Lol...they never said gamepass wouldn't increase and they never said it would because of the merger. And even they did it's their right to do so. So what's your point?
Sony and other streaming services (Netflix, HBO, ...) have been increasing prices and altering their services. Do you expect Gamepass to remain the same price forever?
Others can increase prices and alter their services, but Microsoft can't?
Hypocrite much!
Exactly let's not forget this deal was done under the same economic climate this was predictable yet they maintained they would not be increasing prices yet now the merger is done they increased prices and split tiers to avoid further scrutiny.
This is and always has been how Microsoft do business deflect blame and increase profits
You are correct. It's actually lower. It was around 7% in 2021 and now it's around 3%, which is ideal.
inflation aint the same thing as to lock stuff behind a paywall that was previously not. lol
Yeah you're right. It's just a coincidence that this happened after spending billions of dollars buying up the industry. And closing studios. And firing thousands of people. All while barely being able to give away Xboxes. It's all because of inflation. LOL
Fanboyism bro this is pure fanboyism, it's bs we all know it so stop defending Microsoft.
Except $/mb of broadband, $/mb of storage, and $/compute power only gets cheaper over time. As Microsoft’s overhead has gone down, it’s prices have gone up.
@lelo: “FTC never heard of inflation. Did they expect Gampass to remain the same price forever?
Would be funny if Gampass remained at 10€ fifty years from now...”
I see you got the industrial size chapstick truck from Microsoft and put it into use already.
Add one more backpedaling to Microsoft and Phil rhetorics
Gamepass price was going up regardless of inflation or not and you know it. Hey atleast you guys have an excuse to ride for a little bit
Need I remind you of how much MS is worth? There was no need to let anyone go or any studio. MS are just cancer and should leave the industry.
Replies(1)Apparently it's ok that they raised PSN prices, but Xbox can't compete?!
The "Standard" is just a rebranded Xbox Live. Not expected but not crazy since they didn't really have a proper entry level subscription to match PSNs entry level.
Xbox raised their prices last year too though, their entry level was core or gamepass console.
The whole "Bu bu but Sony" thing with the PSN doesn't take into consideration Microsofts whole argument to the FTC during the entire Activision merger court case is that they wouldn't raise prices due to the merger, nothing would change.
Sony never said shit about raising prices and the like so while we can think it's scummy the FTC won't have an issue with it because the argument wasn't towards them, they never swore against anything.
If the Activision merger never happened and Microsoft raised their prices as a standard thing, like Sony with the PSN or even how Netflix has done it with their subscription it would have been business as usual.
I'm so tired of the Sony defense team. Pay off me thinks a lot of these comments come from Sony shills
All the judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit just got a free windows 11 upgrade!
The price hike just brings it closer in line to PSN, yet it still has greater value. The standard sub matches the lowest PSN sub.
FTC trying to seem relevant. Claiming their multi million dollar case was to stop a $3 dollar price hike is a stupid argument and embarrassing for them.
PS+
$80 per year cheaper
More total games
Retro Games - Added monthly
VR games - Added Monthly
Ubisoft + Classics
4 k Streaming of nearly all games including ones you own digital not on the service. (xbox 1080p series s)
Sony Pictures Catalog
Anime from Crunchyroll
Full Game Trials with Trophy Support
PSN absolutely does not have more total games. I have PSN Ultimate or whatever it's called.
They don't get day one exclusives.
They don't even have Last of Us 2 Remake on there yet! Or Last of Us Part 1!!
You get Ubisoft classics, so does Xbox. But w Xbox also get EA games!
VR games don't matter to me, but Xbox also gets PC games that don't matter to me.
Both have classic games.
Streaming means nothing to me, it's still a failed concept, Digital Foundry tests it often, and it's not there yet for "serious gamers". The lag is intense!
Sony pictures and anime are neat, I'll give ya that.
Full game trials are cool, but Xbox gets the full game day one, so.... 🤷
I haven't had a good game in PSN since HellDivers, this year has been dead.
Honestly, once Xbox starts dumping all these exclusives on to GamePass, it's gonna be a flood of great titles
It's $80 cheaper, you're paying $240 a year in hopes of getting Microsoft games, and things aren't looking great on the development side of things beyond all the stuff they started 5 years ago. There is no guarantee that some of these studios will even exist going forward.
No, game pass does not offer Ubisoft Classics, and you only need Extra unlike EA Play which requires Ultimate.
And it doesn't matter what you don't want, xbox isn't offering it for people who do. Those things add value for a lot of people.
What digital foundry found was that PS+ Streaming was vastly superior to xcloud.
Full Game Trials include 3'rd party games.
PlayStation get's "good games" all the time that aren't on xbox,GranBlue Fantasy Relink, Final Fantasy, Helldivers, Rise of the Ronin, Stellar Blade, Zenless Zone Zero, Pacific Drive ect. every week something new comes out or is announced for PlayStation that's not on xbox.
And you're bragging about day one but that keep proving to be unsustainable. That's why studios got closed, 5000+ people got fired, games got ported to PlayStation, the reward system got gutted, prices were increased multiple times and those new games got removed from game pass and paywalled to a more expensive tier.
@GamerRN
I guess you don't subscribe to both services.
PS+ Premium has close to 1000 games.
GPU has less than 500.
GPU doesn't come with Ubisoft Classic.
However, the do have EA Play instead.
I pay 120$ a year by using cdkeys.com for GamePass Ultimate
And I definitely have both... My main gripe is PSN extreme or whatever it's called is u don't have all the 1st party stuff I want. That being said I just started up Death Standing Directors cut (terrible game, cool story)... I really want Last of Us Part 1 and Part 2.... Other than that, I don't think I have access to Ubisoft games? Where do I access those? Are there any good ones? The menu system is very confusing trying to go to classic games, PSN collection, etc etc etc
The FTC should give up. Microsoft owns the US Government and then someday the world and all its useless masses.
So..This is all speculation?....
I heard the 720 will run on pepsi and the PS4 will run on coke.
The way I see it ,.. there won't be a next xbox,..Stockholders are not happy at all,.. I don't really want that to happen, bit of competition is nice.. but it seems plausible,..
All speculation...move along folks nothing to see here...
Here is a link to Fusions performance preview, Doesnt look great at all. Even if Fusion II was double this performance it would still be unimpressive.
http://www.tomshardware.com...
Barely runs games in 720p at a decent frame rate.
It is the right time for such a rumor. If MS will release a console in 2012, info will begin to leak.