Xbox 360 with HD-DVD + Wireless = More Expensive Than PS3? (confirmed)

Recent rumors stated that the XBox 360 with its upcoming HD-DVD add-on component were to place the system at an astronomical $900. Microsoft quashed that rumor by stating that the HD-DVD add-on would only be $200. However, considering a $400 unit plus HD-DVD plus wireless comes to a whopping $700. This is $100 more than the $600 PS3 with Blu-Ray and built-in wireless. In addition, the PS3 will have 60 gb instead of the 360's 20 gb.

Nevertheless, if HD-DVD does win the next generation HD format battle, then Microsoft may be in a great position. Moreover, one key difference between the two systems is that the 360's add-on components are optional meaning that the consumer can ultimately make the decision as to what components are necessary for his or her entertainment.

[RealDoubleJ]

...or at least until M$ think about making HD-DVD games (when Sony finally uses the extra sectors on the Blu-Ray disk) then i don't see this "add-on" necessary until i see a clear winner in the format war. Which, by the looks of consumers, is going to be (old-)DVD. Not until more consumers are schooled in HDTV's, the High-Def Generation won't be taking off anytime soon.

[D R Fz]

the ps3 is not out yet. When the ps3 does come out, the world will recieve that necessary push into the next-gen of entertainment/gaming and save at the same time. A $500 next-gen player and a $100 state of the art gaming console is what the ps3 iS. And guess what, free wireless added in. All these aspects are not only standard but this deal is what will give us the edge into the next-gen because everyone is given an equal opportunity to enjoy all the benefits of the next-gen. People will now have more reason to buy hdtvs which should not only benefit companies but everyone as well because prices of hdtvs will drop as more advancements are made. Why continue to make games on regular dvds when we are talking about how to get beyond the last generation. Therefore it is my conclusion that consoles fall in two categories, the best of the last-gen or the beginning of a new generation. I mean, can somebody please tell me something that the 360 can do that both the ps3 and wii can't do. Now if i were to tell you things that the wii and ps3 can do that the 360 cannot do, the list would be extensive. And even better, you are saving with the ps3 because it can do everything the other conosoles can do. And once again free wireless. Make the choice for yourself, for the benefit of the now and the betterment future. Ps3 is the way to go.

[joemutt]

They add in all the extras, yeah it would be that much if you add everything you possibly could.

I paid $338 on e-bay for my 360,

I don't need wi-fi, I SAVE $100!!!

I dont need HD-DVD, I SAVE $200!!!

Wow thats alot of savings!!! $300!!!

Maybe when I get into HD, I will upgrade, but for now I will spend my money on games.

MORE MONEY FOR GAMES!!!!!

[Silent]

As you can see wireless communication is better. Would you want to talk to your friends on a cell phone with a wire connected between yas?

[clayton]

He must be a sony fanboy, getting all excited because the 360 with the add-on will be more expensive than the PS3. He still doesn't get the point about choice. Blu-Ray isn't going to win the HD war. So when you can't get Blu-Ray movies 1-2 years from now you will be feeling really stupid. And I on the other hand will be enjoying a stand alone HD-DVD player.

[MONOLITHICIDE]

yea and your a 360 fanboy, look at you going to the asumption that blueray will fail and HD DVD will prevail you dont know that jack ass. Yea you dont have to buy the HDDvD but if you do it costs extra, more extra then our expensive $600 ps3, ps3 comes with hd gaming and hd movie playing and wifi built in ready out of the box, so shut up blu ray will win know doubt, oh wait but then youll reply how dso you know that, just because i said to you, but you what, blu ray is gonna win the format war

Snooches

[clayton]

He can add too, finally a sony fanboy with some brains. LOL XBLA rocks baby!!!

[GamerX2]

If you want a hd-dvd $200 buy it or Buy later when more movies are available or not at all!!"risk free" Just like the wireless adapter (I use a hard line connection myself) but if I don't want to buy them I don't have to buy them .Can sony fans say that????

[jiggajayp]

Please, by then the XBOX 360 price will be dropped to about $349-$299 so stop with all the hating already!!! Also, even if it does cost $200, we have the option of choice unlike u retarded ps3 fanboyz!!

[OhEmetophobia]

In which in the end when PS3 comes out on top it will burn the 360 fanboys b/c even with the 360's little price drops the PS3 will still be far superior and still will come with a Blu-Ray player.

The only way i'd see the HD-DVD coming out on top is b/c ignorant people will see the DVD in the name and come running for something familiar instead of something superior.

[Marriot VP]

AND WHO NEEDS WIRELESS....nobody. Its way too expensive for the mass market so everybody just uses a wired router or direct feed.

Also on ebay you can get brand new consoles for 50 bucks less than their retail. This 400 and 300 figure is for retail suckers. Price drops gonna happen and 200 is a fair CHOICE FOR CONSUMERS to make about their HD player, something sony won't let you choose.

[kingboy]

yea dude before going about callin people retards why don`t u post some news like others do to keep the site interesting.just posting bull everywhere ..

[LAWMAN]

And the PS3 has 60 gb. . .

However, I really like the idea that MS has given the consumers an option to purchase the HD-DVD unit. I really do think that MS did us a disfavor by neglecting the wireless. Everyone here that says that you don't need wireless, well that's fine, but many, many people (like me) find it very convenient. I'm not too excited to purchase another $100 for wireless. In fact, since I'm getting a PS3 as well, I'll probably use that for my wireless needs (i.e. browsing the internet, email, etc.)

[SjaakHaas]

uhm ok?

So u will use ur PS3 for wireless stuff like Exploring the NEt and Email? And why do need Wifi for that again?

I can see why the Nintendo DS has Wifi, because its a hand-held!!! Its NOT a console of 100 Kilogramms. My 360 never left its spot, it has a normal wiredconnection and runs as smoot as it needs to be, if i want to play over network, my friends can hook up with my Router.

Ill be lauging my ass of if i would see you with ur PS3 at a local Mac Donalds wifi hotspot.

[ChickeyCantor]

heheehhe XD i can see them already XD

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Dude, the wifi is so we don't have to buy a 50 foot wire. Wifi is amazing. I'm using it RIGHT NOW! My computer uses it, my psp uses it, my brother's psp uses it, his friends that come over and sit on our porch late at night use it...even though that's a little creepy. The point is...you can take ur ps3 into ANY room in your house and STILL get on ps3online...or whatever they're calling it. Or you could just tap into a neighbor's internet...or if you take it to a friend's house...it's all ready to go. Just think about it...ohkay?

[withintheranks]

HYPERTHETICALLY SPEAKING (which means you can answer the question and not mean it) WHAT WOULD YOU 360 FANBOYS SAY IF PS3 DOMINATED YET AGAIN? IM CURIOUS?

[LAWMAN]

Actually, it's hypothetically and it means to give a theoretical situation. But I digress. . .

I'm have been labled as both a MS fanboy and Sony Fanboy. I believe that I'm both I guess. I think that they both have great and essential products for entertainment purposes.

However, I think that good competition means that in the end we all get the better deals. So if Sony becomes the outright winner, that will mean even more expensive games and hardware for the future.

If MS wins the competition, then likewise there will be more expensive games and hardware.

You see, all the fanwhores (MS, Wii and PS3 alike) don't understand something that is essential with regard to economics . . . THAT IS A MONOPOLY IS NEVER A GOOD THING FOR CONSUMERS.

So the MS fanwhores will continue with the banter about how MS is better and will win the war, and that PS3 is garbage and that it will be forgotten. But if this is true, then you will get scewed in the end. The same goes for Wii and PS3.

[D R Fz]

Even when the ps3 dominates, 360 fans will rather die with their console rather than rejoice in the victory of another or that of others. There is only hope for those who can accept the fact that 360 is not what they thought it would be. Think about those of us who do want the next-gen player and the wireless added on, we would be saving money with the ps3. And thats just the way it is. We are talking abut a next-gen experience in not only games but in entertainment. Is a console without the wireless, next-gen player and hdmi truely next-gen, or just a repeat of the last-gen? Ps3 is the best better way to go.

[BoneMagnus]

Look, I love my 360, and I will likely get a PS3 when funds allow and there are a decent amount of must-play exclusive games, but what really matters is not who wins, but how the industry as a whole is doing.

MS released encouraging info about shipping 10 million units by the holidays and a high add-on rate. EVERYONE should rejoice at this news. If Sony or MS do well, then ALL gamers win. If one company drives the other from the market, then their is no competition and the quality of the product will suffer - and ALL gamers will see the results.

The PS3 is what it is because of the 360 - same with the Wii. And the 360 is what it is because of the other companies. They are fighting each other for your gaming dollar...as long as the market(us gamers)makes it lucrative for these companies to pursue games.

People need to remember this. A company is not about making the best console. It is about getting your money - and providing a product that you will want to buy. If, for whatever reason, people stopped playing games, these companies would pursue something else entirely. May that day never come.

[Shadow Flare]

well it obviously is

whats more the blu-ray plays movies AND games, unlike HD-DVD

Heads up. The ps3 is coming. And its on a war path

[OhEmetophobia]

I completely agree with this guy. While the 360 is a decent console. I think the PS3 is going to plow it into ground.

[GamerX2]

all you sony fan are just hopeing right now. for you guys bluray needs to win for you to justfy a 600 gamings system . 360 fans we can take it your leave it !! unless you are just one of those people that just has to see sony fail ..but for me it's about choosing

[Jay da 2KBalla]

360 is the better value for me. 400 dollars for my console. The best games is on the 360 in my opinion. If I want wireless then I pay an additional 100 dollars whhich i will but blu-ray and hd-dvd i dont want and neither are needed for games and hd-dvd looks better than blu-ray anyway. 400 plus wireless 100 =500 dollar xbox360 to 500 dollar ps3 with blu-ray. Yes sony fanboys the 500 dollar ps3 doesnt have wireless and like I said I dont want neither next gen format especially blu-ray because I think its gonna lose to hd-dvd anyway.

[pRo loGic II]

No one really care's; people are buying the console to play video games sheeesh. Silly topic posted by an Super fanboy. PS3 will cost this much, 360 will cost that much. This is Ridiculous flame fuel if i ever seen it. The HD-DVD add-on is no more important then the Wheel or 3rd party accories,(hmm!?)well it's not vital.

[ACE]

the 360 will drop in price when ps3 launches ....

so compare the price then lol :)

[OhEmetophobia]

Even with the price drop the PS3 will come out on top. It's not a matter of price but of quality.

[Aramis001]

Wrong. To the average consumer, it's a matter of VALUE. Value= Quality/Price. The Xbox 360 has at least as good quality as the ps3, and even if you put it as a little bit less, the 360 still has better value.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

What price drop? MS has announced NOTHING yet!

I seriously DOUBT there will be a price drop. They CAN afford it though...because they could have ALREADY dropped the price. They released a console for more than it was worth. I bought a PSP for 250 bucks. I get online with it, i play amazing games with it, i have aim conversations with it, i listen to music on it, and i watch movies on it...<yes, i actually buy umd's...

The 360 isn't worth 50 dollars more. And i'm being nice there and using the 300 dollar core system. Let's say it was up against the 400 dollar premium though. Still sux. It has a few good games, like dead rising...and...that's about it. Prey gets SO boring after awhile. Good though. There's just nothing to justify the price there. Eventually there will be...like...if you guys get Assassin's Creed...

That's about all i see for the 360. IF you guys get AC. I'm just trying to save you guys money by telling you to buy what you like. Don't get a 360 to spite sony. Get it if you enjoy Halo...which i STILL don't see the attraction to. I LOVE fps's, but halo's just...slow. Go play Unreal 2004. That game is amazing! Or even quake III.

Don't waste money on something that has a couple of good games...and you have to buy accessories for it to work right. COME ON!

[headblackman]

what you characters fail to realize is thats it's optional (meaning that you have a choice to get it or not/either way you'll still be able to watch movies :/) unlike the ps3 they are forcing you to buy that garbage blue ray disc. it's about like hdtv's just buying one will only increase your visual expirience, but it's really not necessary at all because a regular tv will work just as good and the games will still look good

[OhEmetophobia]

Okay can an HD-DVD disc hold up to 25 or more gigs of information NO but a blu-ray disc can. U know how much extra features one Blu-Ray disc can hold. That is enough to make the gaming experience a billion times better than what the Xbox 360 and their HD-DVD has to offer. Yeah you guys have the choice but in the end with how much space the blu-ray discs can hold PS3 comes out on top again.

[Aramis001]

Have you ever heard of Oblivion? That is an incredible game, with a HUGE environment and stunning graphics. Do you know how much space it took up? 4 gigs. There is NO NEED for more than 9 gigs, at least for the next 2-3 years, and even then, will it kill you to switch a disk once? Are you THAT lazy? If so, it's pretty pathetic.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

We've all heard of oblivion. It's that one game that everyone said was AMAZING and i played it for HOURS AND HOURS...and didn't enjoy ONE MINUTE of it. Basically...oblivion is good for YOU guys that lack better options. Does oblivion have multiple languages? Does it have much action in it? Is the storyline compelling? The answer to all of these is a resounding...NO!

The game's overhyped...and average AT BEST! Wait until a better game comes out to compare it to.

"Why did it get good reviews then", you ask! I have NO IDEA! Maybe it was because it's the best-looking rpg so far. Maybe it's because for some reason people would rather run up to someone and hope they can hit that person first...which is why i PREFER Devil May Cry! Maybe it's because people are so lacking in rpg's right now...they're desperate! Go play Kingdom Hearts II if you want a GREAT rpg with GREAT gameplay and a GREAT storyline!

I'm not saying oblivion is TERRIBLE...i'm saying it's very overhyped and if it would have had a blu-ray disc...the japanese could have used the SAME blu-ray disc...because u can fit multiple languages on it. It's like 10 games on ONE disc. THAT'S why we need blu-ray. Stay up to date on stuff dude...

[BIadestarX]

I'm not an XBox 360 fanboy. As matter of fact I may get a PS3. Since I have the money to buy any console I want I don't measure the value of a console by the amount of hardware it comes with. (My $4,000 PC it capable of handling anything the 360 can, yet it does not have XBox live or some of the games I want to play nor FF or MGS) I'm sure that the PS3 will have some must have games that the XBox 360 will not have, and who knows they might be able to pull a free online service (though I am curious about the quality of a service from a company that’s selling their consoles for a lot less than what it cost, mmm. I wonder where the money will come from; and for how long will they keep it; once the console’s sells start dropping. you see; xbox live is self-sustainable; it does not depends on hardware sells to stay alive; which is why you can play original xbox games over xbox live even thought microsoft it's no longer selling the hardware). Anyways; here are some features that puts the 360 on the Must have toy list for me regardless of hardware:
1) XBox live.
2) Exclusive games.
3) New Camera, being able to put your face on a game.
4) XNA Game Studio Express - Being able to make games for the PC and XBox 360 (For Free!).
5) GamerTags.
6) GameScore.
7) Live Market Place.

Those are just a few of the things that the PS3 will NOT have no matter the hardware. So, uhh no, I will not retire my 360 when the PS3 comes out. I will put it next to it. As always I will buy both including the wii. But for now the 360 it's my best option. I always wanted to make my own game. Some of you just want to play some IP like Final Fantasy or Metal Gear; so you will do fine with the PS3. Enjoy!

[D R Fz]

I sense much redundancy in your list and your post as a whole. First, 5, 6 and 7 are part of 1, Xbox live. With that, your list is diminished to 4 items. After that, number 1 does not count because Sony will also have an online gaming site to counter Xbox live. 2 doesn't even matter because Sony still has many exclusive games. 3 is just the work of ignorance to believe that the 360 camera will be better than the Sony eyetoy capable of rendering your environment in 3d. Finally, 4, if you want exclusivity then why are you happy that you’re getting games that you could just get on a computer? Next, think about what you are saying before you are corrected. Besides, ps3 is still the way to go.

[BIadestarX]

daritefeacherz, well, I separate them to indicate the features I like and will mostlikely will NOT be available for the PS3.
daritefeacherz, you are a good example of a fanboy. If you read why I wrote I'm not putting the PS3 down on any way. But that’s the problem with you fanboys; for you the PS3 it's perfect and the 360 has nothing to offer.
This is why what you have to say have no value and means sh**. which is why you have (2 Disagree). And you didn't correct me. One is corrected when he/she is wrong.
Some people are not looking to get more hardware for less. You are obviously bias against other consoles, try going to college, get a job that pays you at least $100,000+ and the last thing you will be worrying about is playing $4.20 a month for xbox live.
You are looking into making the PS3 the center of your universe since it's the only thing you can afford. Some of us look for the value factor not where we can save a buck. The PS3 will never replace a standalone blu-ray player. Why do you think Sony will be selling them for like $1,500; why do you think they delayed it? They know that once the quality of the PS3 blu-ray player it's compared with a standalone system it will be devastating. Have you try watching movies on the PS2? Any $50 dvd player have better quality.
This is why I don't care about the blu-ray player for the PS3 nor the HD-DVD from Microsoft; you will get what you pay for; a low quality multi-purpose device. You think you getting best value? You are simply getting a low quality player. Even the interface to interact with the standalone device it's better.
Even Sony knows that. If they didn't than blu-ray players would be cheaper than the PS3.

[D R Fz]

To tell you the truth bladestar, you're not even worth my time anymore. You are truly one of the biggest 360 fan boys. You write that you’re not putting down the ps3 in anyway yet you say things like "I separate them to indicate the features I like and will most likely will NOT be available for the PS3." This makes me laugh a little because your level of intelligence is now in question. Even to the point that it finally hit me, the reason I have two disagrees is because one came from yourself and the other, from your other account. Think about it, I have two disagrees and the only person to comment is you? And that my friend is not cool. Another thing, I do go to college. I'm actually on a full scholarship to New York University where I am in my 4th year of pre-med without having to pay the $60,000 tuition. In four more years, I will be done with med school and after that possibly a surgeon. I do research and because of that, I can confirm the truth. You, however, being such a fan boy, with must I say, limited education, can't even decide what state of mind you’re in. You try to personify yourself as humble, yet deep inside, your hate for the ps3 burns strongly, sparked and fed by the potential of the ps3 to dominate the next generation. But blade... it's ok. The truth will set you free in November, until then, your opinions and that of other ms fan boys will captivate you and keep you from seeing the light.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

dude...my sister's boyfriend is going to NYU next year. That's awesome. Anyway, thank you for showing that poor child the truth. It's what i strive for...and you, being fairly educated, are doing better than I.

Merci, monsieur!

[pRo loGic II]

Look at these Sonyfanboys posting these stories just to get us in these threads so they can vent there hate and fear on us poor folk that fall for this sheit every time.

[OhEmetophobia]

Look at those 360 fanboys who have no place on the PS3 forums anyways

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

wes, i know u want to defend us, but it's on the 360 forum too...

they are d-bags though, ur right.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

I'm sorry, but you spelled the word "there" wrong. It's "their".

Nothing bad... I just hate it when that happens.

Oh... and we don't force you onto these forums. You guys come because you want to defend a system that's only been out for a half a year. It's not worth it. Neither system has proved itself yet. Just wait...THEN we can argue about which is better. I would like to argue FACTS, not opinions!

[THAMMER1]

Wi fi dose not make the console. It is just a additional feature that is Sony did not make standard you would have a choice. You notice still for the 360 to be more expensive you would have to add the HD DVD drive and the WI fi. So who cares? If you want to be dumb about it lets just say cost reflects quality.

[Marty8370]

PS3/Bluray are the future.

[deathtok]

I've been saying this for months. Feature-to-feature the PS3 is the better deal. However, not everybody needs wi-fi or HD movies so it's a matter of perspective.

[Bishop]

Sega had an add-on DVD player where are they now, since its such a brilliant move on MS's part? I have a 360 but I would rather buy a PS3 with every thing included, even a browser then a $200 pos HDDVD add on or a $500 HDDVD player that studios will not support. Support is what killed BetaMax and it will more then likely hurt HDDVD. Because no matter how you look at it Beta failed but was still better then VHS.

[agent864]

I've found a lot of good info at http://forum.blu-ray.com/.

It looks like technically bluray is at least equal if not superior to HD-DVD. But at this stage they can't mass produce the BD50G cheaply enough in quantity for studios to release movies on the format. And the authoring tools aren't there yet. This won't be fixed according to the forums until Q1 2007. But there will be a lot of bluray players on the market by then, not only the PS3. So until then you're stuck with bluray movies on 25G discs encoded in MPEG2. The forums do indicate that Paramount could release its movies in the higher quality MPEG4-AVC format this year.

It also means that most likely PS3 games will be released on BD25G discs for a while, still about 15G more than DVD -- I can't imagine a game that would fill an entire 50G disc that would be awesome.

I'm getting a PS3 nonetheless and if by end of Q1 2007 doesn't look like they're going to solve the technical hurdles with bluray I may be getting that HD-DVD add on.

Nov 17 is still 3 months away a lot can change in 3 months.

[Watapata]

This could have very little impact or a big impact. The fact of the matter is that those who are on the fence over which to buy and intending to use whichever they do buy for movies, may very well be pushed to the PS3 now. The question is, how many people fall into that category. If you are looking for movies, games, and wireless connectivity I think more people would look toward the PS3. If you're looking for just games and movies, the split is likely very even, though PS3 might have an edge due to brand power and the general image of having at least slightly more powerful hardware. If you're looking at the games its either going to come down to which has the games you want, which you can afford, or a combination of the two. In the end, its still at least slightly positive news for Sony. As far as wireless goes and everyone that says that it isn't necessary, for some people it is or is at least more than justifiable. As an example, in my apartment there is no easy way to get a wired connection from where my router is to where my PS3 will be. In addition, since my roommates and I have laptops in addition to our desktops, wireless connectivity has come in very handy. Since I already have the wireless infrastructure in place, it makes perfect sense to desire wireless connectivity in my PS3 as well. When I eventually get a 360, I know that I will concurrently buy a wireless adapter for it. It doesn't make sense for everyone, but it certainly does for a fair number of people at the same time.

[The Real Deal]

First of all....Sega blew it by not adding an "already proven formatt in DVD". Dvd at the time of Segas launch was already out and decided on as a standard for 2 and a half years. Thats a lot different than blu ray or hd dvd. both formatts are still in its infancy stage and neither has been chosen by consumers yet. 2nd and 3rd generation hd dvd and blu ray players will work out the bugs and improve upon what they have done at the beginning. And another thing...whether or not the 360's price drops or not...we know from what MS has alredy stated....the hd dvd add on and the premium 360 WILL cost less than the ps3 models. So we can speculate on prices but we know it will be a better deal than ps3. And 3rdly.....Hd dvd is blowing blu ray players away in sales and movies right now. No one is buying the blu ray player. All that matters is support. And Most consumbers will always buy the cheapest option. Thats what matters in a formatt war. Couple that with the fact that as of now hd dvd movies look notibly better than blu ray and you have a formula for success in a formatt war. Superior quality and lower price point. Blu ray is doomed with the cheapest player being the expensive ps3 at 600 dollars. The cheapest hd dvd player is at 429.99 at walmart NOW. And with the add on it offers another option for people in the market for geting hd dvd.

[Watapata]

HD-DVD isn't blowing Blu-Ray away in sales. Neither is selling well at all. yes HD-DVD is selling better, but not by the margin you imply.

[THAMMER1]

determine who wins the console wars. More parents buy consoles than nerds and fan boys. Parents will not buy a $600.00 toy. Most little children whether fan boys or not are getting a Wii. Most of you fans girls are not getting the PS3 either because you probably do not have jobs. If you have a job do not flame that comment. But just get real you PS3 fan have been looking for a way to make the PS3 look better than the 360 for 2 years now and it is still not working. We already new the 360 would cost more with all of the options and personally I like the ability to chose over not having a choice. If the PS had the options the 360 has we would not even be arguing. If Sony took out WIFI and the BR it would be cheaper than the 360 and still have fun games to play. "But" Sony did not give you this option and you fan boys have rolled with it now you have to live with it.

$600.00= PS3, 1 free joystick+ $120.00 for 2 games, $50.00 for 1 more joystick+, to make BR relevant $80.00 for 2 BR movies= $850.00

$400.00= X360 w/free joystick+ $120.00 for 2 games, $50.00 for 1 more stick+ 1 year of XBL $50.00= $620.00

nuf said you do not need HD DVD or BR. Politics is for Fan boys. Parents will make since out of the economics. SOny still has to over come the base price point. Even if I took out the $600.00 version and added th $500.00 it still makes less since to get the PS3. Think about it.

[Watapata]

Gaming has grown immensely since when it USED to be defined by the purchases of parents. Most consoles since the last generation of consoles have been bought by the intended user as gaming has continued to expand to older and older users.

[The Real Deal]

Just announced today with current sales rate MS expects to sell above the 10 million mark by the end of the year and 13 to 15 million by May 2007. Over half of 360 owners have subscribed to xbox live and every owners has bought 2.9 accessories per console. The highest in history. If this is indicative of how the hd dvd add on will do...that means there will be 7.5 million hd dvd add ons sold by May 2007 to 6 million Ps3's according to Sony's plans of having 6 million sold by May 2007. Couple that with the fact that hd dvd players are selling out NOW and blu ray players are sitting on store shelves at 1000 dollars...Its look good for MS and Hd dvd.

Aug. 15th, 2006 9:14 am
Microsoft released today an update to retail Xbox 360 sales figures and forecast for the current fiscal year. By holiday 2006, Microsoft expects to ship in excess of 10 million Xbox 360 consoles along with a library of 160 games. And by the end of their fiscal year in June, 2007, between 13-15 million consoles worldwide are forecasted to ship.

Microsoft also provide some updated info on peripherals and game sales. Based on this month’s NPD data, the industry standard for tracking US momentum and market share, Microsoft states:

Xbox 360’s accessory attach rate held steady for the fourth consecutive month at 2.9 accessory units sold per console. At nine months into the lifecycle, Xbox 360 is still setting a record with the highest accessory attach rate of a console launch in the US.

Xbox 360’s software attach rose this month to 4.6 games per console. This surge continues to show the depth and breadth of Xbox 360’s video game library.

Xbox 360 had 4 of the 10 top selling titles across consoles:
“NCAA Football 2007” (EA)
“Prey” (Take 2)
“Chromehounds” (Sega)
“Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle Earth II” (EA)

[Sevir04]

the last i check ms had to lower it console sold figure, it was march 06 when they said they expect to have sold 6 million by june. 2 months later they droqed that figure to 5 mill. ane they missed it selling only 4.35 million by june 06. they are expecting 10m by year end. but they fail to see the Wii and Ps3 on market by then. fanboy from sony and nintendo will Quickly flood this holiday season and thats alot of fans! also consumers who want the PS3 as means of movie player will buy it as well.

[Sevir04]

the last i check ms had to lower it console sold figure, it was march 06 when they said they expect to have sold 6 million by june. 2 months later they droqed that figure to 5 mill. ane they missed it selling only 4.35 million by june 06. they are expecting 10m by year end. but they fail to see the Wii and Ps3 on market by then. fanboy from sony and nintendo will Quickly flood this holiday season and thats alot of fans! also consumers who want the PS3 as means of movie player will buy it as well.

[ChaosKnight]

*slams head* you know, its the fact Microsoft gives us the option of the high definition dvd player, personally i don't really care for blu-ray hell i dont care for hd-dvd that much, but whatever is cheaper i will purchase, and since i have a 360 already its likely im getting a hd-dvd. and really you dont need wi-fi, i use regular ethernet cable and it works so much better. I like how M$ is giving the option, that way, i'm not forced to purchase something that i dont want. I want a gaming system.

[D R Fz]

Then why didn't you stick with the ps2 and xbox if all you wanted was a gaming system?

[BIadestarX]

Well, lets see.
PS2 sucks when it comes to online multi-play.
They are not making many new games for XBox 1.
Not many XBox live Arcade games for Xbox 1 and none for PS2. Halo 3, Gear of War, Dead Rising, Test Drive Unlimited, Alan Wake, Crackdown, Too Human, ........
Do you have more stupid questions?

[OhEmetophobia]

What people fail to see in this forum (especially the 360 fans) are the fact that blu-ray isn't just a movie format. It will be the video game format also. Which leads me to this a blu-ray disc can hold up to 50 gigs of information. Do u know how much video game that is. that is amazing. So it's not just a movie thing. it will have a lot of advantages for video games also.

[drewlusk]

Those of you that think Blu-Ray is superior to HD-DVD need to wake up and read some expert reviews by home theater pros. HD-DVD right now is the superior format. 90% of experts say that hd-dvd looks better than blu-ray and is less expensive therefor should win the battle. But why is Sony so hell bent on Blu-Ray when 80% of the people that are going to buy the PS3 wont even have an HDTV to play it on. At least MS will let you choose what you want and not try to cram $600 down your thoat in a machine that might be marginally more powerful than the 360 and come with sh*t you wont need. PS3 will not be worth the price differance and Xbox live is the best gaming on the planet Sony cant come close to the know how MS has to create a gaming community. But go ahead and spend you money on the PS3 while I sit back and enjoy a truly great system. Fricken idiots!!!!

[OhEmetophobia]

Okay i don't really care that the PS3 has a blu-ray player in it. I have grown up with PS and that is what i'm sticking with. But okay let's say blu-ray did win. Then i have a free blu-ray player that game with my PS3 and you xbox IDIOTS have squat or wait u have to pay extra to add yours on. I mean come on. what the crap is that. Let's have this big piece of junk hd-dvd player to add to this already over sized and overrated video game system. I'm sorry but there is more advantages to the ps3 than the 360 all around.

[The Real Deal]

You represent most gamers. Most people won't buy hd dvd or blu ray movies for years to come. Most people don't use wireless. I mean heck half of 360 owners use the internet with gaming at all. And a small percentage of them connect wirelessly. Most of the half use cables which is a faster optimal connection to online anyway. So why should EVERYONE have to pay 600 dollars for blu ray/wireless connection....ect....Thats why its 600 dollars. Sure its a bargain for the people who want all those things. But what about over half of the people who don't want or need it? Why force them to get it if they have no use for it? Thats where MS has been brilliant. They have all the same options as ps3. But only for those who want it or need it. If you want wireless....its an option....if you want hd dvd.....its an option.....if you want a bigger hard drive....its an option......everything is an option so this way for 400 dollars you know you are paying for a PURE Cutting EDGE gaming machine and not a whole bunch of extras that you may not need nor want. Thankyou Microsoft. Its really common sense. Some say...."well add ons have never really done well"....I laugh at that because it just so happens that the 360 has shattered the attatch ratio of any console in history thus far at 2.9 accessories per console. Looking real good giving all those options. And people are buying them.

[shoota33]

Go ahead and enjoy your xbox 1.5 because no one cares.

[The Real Deal]

Over 6 million 360 owners care. And over 10 millon by the end of the year. And 4.6 games sold per console means they wallets are showing how much they care. 2.9 accessories per console show the depth of their caring. Gametime don't care because he is only getting a ps3. lol.....How sad. But Right now no one cares about the ps3 because of how they are trying to force consumers to buy their added Junk. lol.....Gametime and a few others may fall for it. But smart consumers will choose the superior console/formatt/and games with the xbox 360. Yes

[The Real Deal]

Over 6 million 360 owners care. And over 10 millon by the end of the year. And 4.6 games sold per console means they wallets are showing how much they care. 2.9 accessories per console show the depth of their caring. Gametime don't care because he is only getting a ps3. lol.....How sad. But Right now no one cares about the ps3 because of how they are trying to force consumers to buy their added Junk. lol.....Gametime and a few others may fall for it. But smart consumers will choose the superior console/formatt/and games with the xbox 360. Yes

[shoota33]

HAHA!! 6 million 360 users link please oh you dont have one just making up numbers that are to your liking i see real deal.Ms problably have not even sold 5 million yet but they did ship 5 million but did'nt sell.Go play your inferior console real deal i know how much of an xbox fangirl i mean boy you are so i will just leave it at that.

[The Real Deal]

http://www.gameshout.com/ne...

[The Real Deal]

http://biz.gamedaily.com/in...

[The Real Deal]

My bad

[ChaosKnight]

daritefeacherz said:
"Then why didn't you stick with the ps2 and xbox if all you wanted was a gaming system?"

What do you mean? i still play my playstation 2 (more than anything) and my xbox (and even my gamecube) for some of the games, but recently there hasn't been that many interesting games released, so im mostly playing next-generation titles

[The Real Deal]

HD dvd players are selling as many as they ship. They are selling out. Every time I go to best buy they are sold out and the salesman told me they sell the same day they get them. Then he proceeded to tell me they have blu ray in stock and they aren't selling at all. Hmmmmmmm....And Gametime....All I can do is laugh at you. Read boy. At the end of June MS sold 5 million according to Wikipedia.com a Factual source. And MS announced TODAY that they will have well over 10 million shipped by the end of the year. You couple that with the fact that you can go to your local best buy and walmart or Eb games and they will all tell you the same thing. They get 3 to 4 shipments a week and sell out. And Gametime why does it bother you that MS has broken sales records/games attatch records/and accessory attatch records. Just go play your ps3 and stop hating how good the 360 is doing. Only you loose by choosing ps3 and not 360. The rest of us win. Get it? Got it? Good. lol...lol.....lol

[shoota33]

What is there to hate about the real fanboy,They said they shipped 5 million units not sold.All you do is talk about how xbox is breaking records when they have NO! compition.Once ps3 come out there will be way more blu ray players in peoples homes than hd dvd no matter how much they are selling right now(which is'nt alot)they cannot compete will thesales of ps3 its just not going to happen.All i can do is laught at how much of an xbox fanboy you really are and MS has brainwashed your mind into really thinking they are going to win.Just go play your gears of war and stop hating on how good sony is doing.Only you loose by choosing xbox 1.5 and not ps3. The rest of us win Get it? Got it? Good.lol...lol....lol

[Watapata]

each time I have walked into a local Best buy or Circuit City, they've still had at least one unit at the store. Granted I don't go in very often, but I tend to go in on the weekends, right around the peak shopping time. Regardless, from everything that I've read, Toshiba has not supplied many units and so the sales numbers have not been impressive. I'm not claiming that Blu-Ray has been doing well by any means, it hasn't, but HD-DVD has not been doing well either. It could be a function of the portion of the United States I live in, but the closest Circuit City (about 45 minutes away) claimed to receive only 4-6 units every two weeks or so. That is hardly good sales.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

thats my job

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

wait...HD-DVD is inferior. Why dont you guys go look at both of them? Stop pretending hd is better. Oh, and stay on your own forums!

[The Real Deal]

And he must be right with no links...its true because LeonSKennedy4life said so. lol....lol....lol....lol..... No one believes you nor cares about what false claims you make with NOT ONE link supporting your LIES. lol....Thats hilarious. Well all the reviews of HD dvd and blu ray seem to disagree with you.

[UNREAL-T]

$900 dallers for a piace of s@#$ hel! no.
I'm getting ps3, $600 dallers for a piace of heaven. Ps3 has blu-ray and ps3 will have better games than 360 and ps3 has 60 gb and 360 has 20 gb, s@#4!. MS is doing everything they can to be better than ps3, there following sony, i can see the light, Ps3 will be better than 360, then 360 fans come here every f@#$king day and they talk about there dreams, 360 is this, 360 is that, please 360 fans get the f@#$ outta here.

[Sidherich]

so you will buy some pieces of air tied together by clouds.

what you gonna do with it?

[pRo loGic II]

You're post wraps it up.

[The Real Deal]

Xbox 360 Sales Figures Update and Forecast
By: César A. Berardini - "Cesar"
Aug. 15th, 2006 9:14 am
Microsoft released today an update to retail Xbox 360 sales figures and forecast for the current fiscal year. By holiday 2006, Microsoft expects to ship in excess of 10 million Xbox 360 consoles along with a library of 160 games. And by the end of their fiscal year in June, 2007, between 13-15 million consoles worldwide are forecasted to ship.

Microsoft also provide some updated info on peripherals and game sales. Based on this month’s NPD data, the industry standard for tracking US momentum and market share, Microsoft states:

Xbox 360’s accessory attach rate held steady for the fourth consecutive month at 2.9 accessory units sold per console. At nine months into the lifecycle, Xbox 360 is still setting a record with the highest accessory attach rate of a console launch in the US.

Xbox 360’s software attach rose this month to 4.6 games per console. This surge continues to show the depth and breadth of Xbox 360’s video game library.

Xbox 360 had 4 of the 10 top selling titles across consoles:
“NCAA Football 2007” (EA)
“Prey” (Take 2)
“Chromehounds” (Sega)
“Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle Earth II” (EA)

http://news.teamxbox.com/xb...

[shoota33]

I am starting to really think you work for MS or you are just one of the biggest xbox fanboys on the planet.

[LiquifiedArt]

2 of them are for the PC heres a chart:
NCAA Football - ITS A FOOTBALL GAME!
Chromehouse - ?? Give me a break, what a dissapointment, not that it could of ever been worth playing, ofcourse if NOTHING else is out then why not play this crappy game.

Prey - PC, average at best, and better for the PC
LOtR - PC, average at best, and Better for the PC

????? where are the games?

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

dude...we make these posts so we can inform eachother of good DEALS! If we wanted you guys on our forums, we wouldn't be complaining about you. We dont even touch the 360 forums. Ur here because you want to fight. We're here to learn. Stop spamming up our forums!

[UNREAL-T]

The Real Deal is the god of 360 fans, when he says something, u see 360 fans happy about what he said, u know what The Real Deal u think ur beter than jesus u think u know everything about the future, u come here every f@#$king day, then u talk about 360 if 360 is better than jesus. dude! every time i hear u talking i get mad, ur the reason i hate 360 fans so much. so The Real Deal get the F!@# outta here cause 360 can hear u but i cant hear u. oh! no, i got mad again, f@#$!.

[drewlusk]

What kinda tv do you own? I bet you are some snotty nosed teen that doesnt even own an HDTV and all you want to do is suck 600 out of mommy and daddy so you can tell your friends that you got the latest and greatest toy. Unfortunatly your friends will just look at you and smile as they turn back to play their 360's. You will go home crying watching Steel Magnolias on your PS3/Blu-Ray

[The Real Deal]

Microsoft's vision is to deliver high-definition (HD) entertainment experiences on every screen in the home, and Xbox 360™ is the killer app for HD televisions. Today Xbox 360 plays HD games, lets you download HD content from Xbox Live Marketplace, view live and prerecorded HDTV and HD movies from Windows Media Center Edition PCs, and view photos in HD by connecting a digital camera or Windows XP PC.

[The Real Deal]

With Xbox 360, you have the ultimate freedom to create your own high-definition entertainment experiences. By offering the Xbox 360 HD DVD Player, Microsoft is providing yet another option to enjoy HD content, with the understanding that next-gen DVD is not for everyone. Microsoft's primary emphasis remains creating incredible HD gaming experiences, but they also provide a host of options to take advantage of the powerful technology in the Xbox 360 to enjoy HD photos and movies, if that’s your choice.

[The Real Deal]

To help illustrate the difference between the standard DVD we've been living with for years, Microsoft corporate vice president Amir Majidimehr explains, "The standard DVD is less than one megapixel resolution, so when you think of your camera as many megapixels, the standard DVD is very low resolution."

The problem is that there's simply vastly more resolution and detail to be found in the original films, and with standard DVD, we're just not seeing that. HD DVD will finally offer the visual quality needed to see the film as it was originally intended.

[The Real Deal]

Why HD DVD?
It's no secret that there are two next-gen DVD formats hitting the market. The first to market was HD DVD and the second (indeed already out in Japan) is Blu-ray. After two years of deliberation, Microsoft made its choice and decided to back HD DVD. The question then becomes why? Here are a few reasons:

Manufacturing: Concerns developed regarding Blu-ray's ability to manufacturer the discs at the capacity originally intended. In fact, with the Blu-ray launch in Japan, the discs are being created at single-layer 25 Gigabyte capacity, which is half of the originally intended 50 gigabytes.
Easy to Damage: Because Blu-ray discs are encoded near the very top layer of the disc with limited protection, the data is literally at higher risk to damage. Conversely, HD DVD maintains physical protection similar to standard DVD.
Copy Protection: Blu-ray utilizes not one, but two different forms of copy protection, adding an extra layer of protection and complexity that just didn't appear necessary.

[The Real Deal]

HD DVD Benefits
What is it that HD DVD is doing that helps differentiate itself from Blu-ray? Here are a few nuggets to chew on:

VC1 Compression: While both Blu ray and HD DVD players are required to be compatible with three different compression technologies (including VC1), an intriguing trend has already begun. Content providers (movie studios) for HD DVD are nearly unanimously using the brand new VC1 compression technology, whereas Blu-ray providers are sticking with the ten-year-old MPEG 2 compression that has been used on standard DVDs. With VC1, HD DVDs are able to compress much higher quality video into a significantly smaller package.
Capacity: Dual layer 30 GB HD DVDs are already available, whereas Blu-ray has only released its single layer, 25 GB disc.
Hybrid Disc: HD DVD offers the ability to encode both a regular DVD format and HD DVD format on the same disc. If you purchase a hybrid disc, you can flip to one side and play the movie on any standard DVD Player, and when you do get an HD DVD player you can flip to the other side and play it in true HD.

[The Real Deal]

Interactivity
Quite apart from the previously mentioned features, one area where HD DVD is providing revolutionary functionality is its advanced interactive features. Check out these highlights:

Chapter Integration: Previously, on standard DVDs, you could only switch to another chapter by backing completely out of the movie (unless you scrolled through manually). Now, with HD DVD, you can bring up the chapter selection seamlessly while still watching the movie.
Bookmarks: Now standard on any HD DVD is a bookmarking ability. This allows you to "save" your favorite scenes from a movie and call them up whenever you're watching the disc. This is possible because of the persistent memory available in every HD DVD player.
In-Movie Experience: Mandatory for all HD DVD players is a secondary video decoder (not available for Blu-ray). This allows the disc to play separate video streams, which on its own completely changes the opportunities available for bonus features. That way, you can not only watch the movie, but also "watch" the behind the scenes features that apply to the scene you're watching simultaneously.
Online: All HD DVD players are required to be network capable. Of course, this is already the case for Xbox 360, but what this allows is for not only the player to be updated if needed, but new content to be distributed on the fly. The common example cited in Major Nelson's interview is that of a director recording more commentary. Now, instead of worrying about buying a new disc, that extra content is available to you as soon as you pop in the disc.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

i dont care if anyone listens to me, i have a strict "no link" policy! You know that, DUESCHBAG! Lay off and go find out for yourself. Stop trying to be black too! It's ridiculous!

[LAWMAN]

All the reviews that state that HD-DVD is superior to Blu-Ray is based on one (1) Blu-Ray player. To make a conclusion that PS3 has lost because of a few reviews are presumptuous at best. First, Sony and other 3rd parties have not released their Blu-Ray players. Second, the PS3 games are standard Blu-Ray format and therefore just because Blu-Ray may not be the winner doesn't necessarily mean that PS3 will lose the next generation battle.

For everyone that is posting that HD-DVD has already won the format war need to understand that is very far from the truth. However, if the PS3 Blu-Ray player looks like junk compared to all the other HD-DVD players, then that MAY be an EARLY indication as to where the format war is going.

The real format war really hasn't begun until there are sufficient amount of players on the market at which point analysts can make a judgment concerning quality.

[pRo loGic II]

I don't understand you're comment but read the top of the thread. Seems PS3 and 360 realated.

[CAPS LOCK]

i think u work for microsoft, u post so much crap about that company and u pay money for online, ur a fool, ps3 will have free online and it might be not as good as x-live but it will get better than it.

sony can easily make money from their online, they can have lots of adverts so they can make money, so its not impossible to have a free online running lag free.

[UNREAL-T]

Do u know me? how do u know i don't have HDTV?
dude! u and The Real Deal are brothers. because ya don't know what planet is the earth
Don't u? i think my HDTV is bigger than yo planet.

[pRo loGic II]

Im not understanding you're Number 41 post?. Stay off the dope.OK

[UNREAL-T]

The Real deal, oh my god! he talks alot of s@#$, dude! go to sleep.

[CAPS LOCK]

360 fans got an errection from the hd-dvd and saying they won already...pff that is bull y cant u wait untill sony and others release it before jumping onto bill gates d-ick

[The Real Deal]

I don't care about your policy. You are a walking living breathing JOKE. You just lie because you can hide behind your computer and type what your happy little fingers and ignorant mind can. Links let people know you actually know what you are talking about. And what did you say about acting black? My mother is Black and my father is Puertorican. So what are you talking about? lol....lol....lol.... But we all would like you to stop acting like you know someting. Everything you and Gametime types shows your lack of information and intelligence. Its hilarious. And this article is on the 360 side and ps3 side. lol....lol....lol

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

if u LOVE ur 360 raise ya hands in da air!!!

Now, what misinformed wannabe do i sound like?

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

if u LOVE ur 360 raise ya hands in da air!!!

Now, what misinformed wannabe do i sound like?

[The Real Deal]

No need to wait. The reviews are in and they are CLEAR. Blu ray is already out. Hd dvd is already out. Hd dvd is half price and over double the movies out now with proven superior quality in movie playback. lol....lol....lol

[shoota33]

Blu ray has way more support and is going to sell millions more players than hd dvd lol...lol...lol

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

if u LOVE ur 360 raise ya hands in da air!!!

Now, what misinformed wannabe do i sound like?

[LiquifiedArt]

Are all 360 users wannabe gangstas?? Do they all inspire to become a rap artist who not only degrates himself, but also his family with the lackluster speech aimed at his own family?

Keynote: This is not a goal to shoot for. Your better then that. whether 10yrs old or 30yrs old.

[pRo loGic II]

Xbox 360 with HD-DVD + Wireless = More Expensive Than PS3? (confirmed)
Published: 2 Hours ago
Submitted: 5 Hours ago By: LAWMAN
PlayStation 3 - Xbox 360 - Gaming | News Article

[pRo loGic II]

The cool thing about MS is when a kid asks mummy for the 360 it will be cheap enough for her to consider it, then little timmy can get the HD-DVD add-on for his birthday a month or two later, of course the kid will be fighting his dad over it. lol

[The Real Deal]

Thats exactly it.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

i get information from magazines. Not the lying/moronic internet. I dont use a pc to post, I use my psp! I dont care if this post is on both forums, you losers bash the PS3 at will. Dont show us the benefits of hd-dvd, we know! Im not the liar, your posts aren't worth the time to disprove.

[Silent]

HOLY MOLY...thats smart. M$ is damn smart. They sell every little things SEPARATELY. The next thing you know they gonna have a REFRIDGERATOR as part of accessory.

Xboxx60 is a JOKE!!!! The things they forget will later be an ADD-ON

[Dreamworker]

i will buy one for my beer when i play is it with usb to connect?

[Dreamworker]

i will wait with buying a hd player until every movie is released on one or both systems. when i go to blockbuster i see no movie in any system and i will not buy every movie i like to see. until the system war is over price will drop to 190$ for a stand alone player or next gen consoles come out inclusiv hd drive.

[The Real Deal]

Hd dvd right now has over 60 titles out and blu ray has 24 titles out. By the end of the year hd dvd will have well over 100 movies out and blu ray will have 50. And if you look at the movies listed its hella funny. Hd dvd has more big name top 100 movies 3 to 1 over blu ray. Its funny. So who cares if blu ray has a few more "no one cares about small no named" movie studios. They will all flock to hd dvd when they see the continual dominance in the hd dvd movie player sales and movie sales.

[shoota33]

If hd dvd was that good they would have supported it but they did'nt,blu ray will look better hd dvd when they start to use mpeg4 anyways and blu has srcach resistannt disk wicht hd dvd does not have and also because they know hd dvd will never be able to keep up with the sales of blu ray.

[UNREAL-T]

dude! I'm sorry, i didn't know u was puerto rican, i'm puerto rican too, my bad dude! we're brothers 4eva i won't say nothing to u anymore, but it dosen't mean i like 360!
what's good PAPI!.

[ddcab]

Blu-ray will win cuz everyone with a PLAYSTATION3 will have the format. Some ppl may not like it cuz of the price but Sony is smart from a business stand point. Face it less than half of the ppl with a 360 will buy the add-on. Conclusion Sony kills two birds with one stone. PS3 4 the win!!!!!

[pRo loGic II]

You need help, what an nut job.

[The Real Deal]

Thats coo...Yeah us Puertoricans stick together. Thats were I get my arrogance. lol....Its the New york in me. I don't dislike the PS3. I dislike some of the decisions that Sony has made this time. I am very please with the 360 and I have best friends that love Sony. But I have converted a few of them and I'm still working on a few more. lol....I just invite them over and let them experience the 360 in all its Greatness and the rest is history. Some run to get one. Others start to think about their options as far as waiting for ps3 or Jumping in NOW at an affordable price. But yeah its all good Alien.

[ASTAROTH]

Welcome back A$$HOLE. I know you were here just by the number of comments. You know what stupid. You tell me one time you wasnt puertorrican and now you are telling you are. And you are arrogant because of that. Wow what an A$$HOLE you are. BUT I FORGIVE YOU FOR BEING THAT A$$HOLE. IM GOING TO PRAY TO GOD SO MAYBE HE CAN FORGIVE YOUR LIES A$$HOLE!!!

[JIN KAZAMA]

there you go MS fans, enjoy your console. Thats jsut palin ridiculous!!

[The Real Deal]

Hey, how you been? Sorry I ain't been on here in a while. lol.... I have been playing Dead Rising for 4 days straight. WOW....what a game. I beat it 3 times with 3 different endings. The first day I played it for 23 hours straight without sleeping. That game is ridiculous fun. I would have to say its the best game I have played thus far EVER. And I have played em all. Its just super fun. So yes Jin. We do enjoy our console. And we will continue to enjoy it regardless of how good or bad Sony does with the ps3.

[shoota33]

So yes i see i am correct either you work for MS or you are one of the biggest xbox fanboys on the planet.

[pRo loGic II]

What's really sad is you getting ass-hurt! over MS's success do you really think a company that makes DVD player and tv's can compete with a company that keeps the PLANET going. lol

[shoota33]

xbox sales =24 million ps2 sales = 103 million seems like the company that keeps the world going cant compete with a company that makes dvd players and tv's.

[Dreamworker]

i give my money better to microsoft and bill (robin hood) gates. microsoft rules

[pRo loGic II]

Give them time man they're new to the market.

[shoota33]

Sorry pro logic MS will only be the market leader in your dreams.As long as sony is in the gaming market MS will always be #2 get over it.

[pRo loGic II]

The bulls are the best Chicago bull won 103 million champion ships. lol

[xXbebofisherXx]

how about you get your figures straight there buddy. sony can never keep up with ms becuase how many computers do you own that run on windows? that right there seals up that discussion.

ne way i love my double layer dvd's. i could care less about hd-dvd or blu-ray. i personally think they will both fail. dvd's still have alot of life in them. the only way hd-dvd and blu-ray will prevail is if everyone had a tv that could output 1080p well guess what barley anyone does becuase we cant afford the freaking things. maybe later in the next few years or more than that they may start making a decent climb but for now 720 p and 1080i look so much better than 1080p and much cheaper to purchase one too.

[shoota33]

Who the hell was talking about computers?

[fartanspartan]

Other companies make wireless adapters not just MS. Any wireless adapter will work for the 360 so you dont have to spend 100 for the MS wireless adpater for the 360. So in the end you can get a 360+hd-dvd+wi-fi for 360 all under 600. As long as you dont care if the piece matches. Hell you cant even see it anyways so it shouldnt matter of it says MS or not.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Real Deal...sorry bout the ethnicity thing, but u still gangsta! Dead Rising IS a great game, the only good one on the system. Im so tired of certain people telling the blatent truth and then making stuff up!

[The Real Deal]

I agree. It is a great game. And its the most fun I have had with a game in a while. But there are many other great games out for the 360 worth the price of admission. Prey was a fun ride though only 8 hours but a great 8 hours. Lord of the rings Battle for middle earth is a blast online. Chromo hounds is a blast online though its single player game left much to be desired. Battlefield is a blast online, Call of duty 2 is a blast online and a great single player compaign, I love NCAA football though it was missing a few extras but the core of the game is great. And much more. Keep in mind over 40 games have recieved 7's "GOOD"....8's "Great".....and 9's "Classic". So there is a good, great, or fantastic game for everyone.

[Aflac]

U can find the 360 premium for $360, then the HD-DVD add on $200, $30 wireless network adapter. Now, I know this is a lot of complicated math for u ps3 fanboyz, but $360+$200+$30=$590!!!

[shoota33]

Give it a rest all these add make the xbox more ugly than it all ready is and make it more expensive than ps3,and ps3 will still have more features than xbox even when you add hd dvd and wireless.

[TheMART]

Yeah the PS3 has more features, like

2 x HDMI?
Rumble?
3 x Gigabit Ethernet ports?
No GPU because Cell can do all that?
Be smaller then the 360 case?

Oh no wait, actually those were not real futures, those were the Barbie Ken Sony lies. Damn. I guess it's the same old story again, like lying over PS2 that was actually weaker then Dreamcast and XBOX in power.

Ah well at least Lametime still believes Sony's bullsh!t, ain't it great? They can lie whatever they want, they can cut things in promisses whatever they want those fanboys keep coming back like flies sit on horsesh!t

[Islandkiwi]

And this is not directed at either console, mind you, but simply at the notion that there was not a unified technology for hi-def dvds.

[STICKzophrenic]

I don't know if this has been said or not, but by the time I'M ready to get an HD-TV, which will be a few years away, the HD-DVD add-on probably will have dropped in price. By that time, the format war might be showing a winner and based on that I can decide whether to get one or not.

So yeah, I like that I have that choice to wait, but that's just me.

[kewlkat007]

Your still going to pay cheaper for the Xbox 360. There will be bargains for everyone. Also the 360 might drop in price depending how well they do this holiday season. Since 360 been out for a year, they can do that or should I say in a better position to.(unlike the PS3 which still has to prove itself after launch.)

If HD DVD becomes the logical format then it will be a great choice by MS(yet again). Whoever said Wifi was needed when you have a wired connection. Which connect will produce less Lag and without Interference?

when was i that you needed Blu-ray, Wifi, and card readers to enjoy a video game?

I gotta say PS3 has alot to loose. I know PS is and has been on top for the last 10 or so years but Xbox 360 is still the underdog for marketshare.

Again its all about choice..you can get a Core360 and build it up to how you like it. More so Buy HDD, when you do have highspeed broadband, buy HD-DVD when you actually do have a nice HDTV to go with it.

Again like "burger king"(have it your way)

As for Sony(bend over plz).....

[Siesser]

I just fail to understand why so many believe that consoles are nothing more than gaming systems. They really have evolved to be more than that; at least in my eyes. $600 would clearly be a lot to pay if your sole objective was playing games. If that were the case, then I'd get the $500 version. If you do have HD-TV, and do want to be able to stream and access media from a computer, and do think that there's a noticeable difference between DVDs and two new formats, then I can't help but think that Sony has released a more suitable, media intensive (40 more gigs of hard drive, wireless access to your computer's contents, highest quality visual signal, media ports, etc.) model. How is THAT not a choice?

[kewlkat007]

A good example of my post. Not everybody has HDTV right now. Then you expect people to shell out $4000 on a 1080P set to take advantage of blu-ray HDMI? Does that make sense?

Who did sony make this console for? Casual Gamers? Hardcore Gamers?

Talk about alienating a big percentage of gamers....but we'll see this holiday season.

[The Real Deal]

The price of the hd dvd has NOT BEEN made official by MS. But what has been made official is MS saying that the 360 with the HD dvd add on will cost less than the Ps3 versions. Thats all we know. We don't know the price of the hd dvd add on. We don't know how much of a price cut the 360 will get come November. But we do know that you can buy a 360 for 359.99 on some sites for the premium. We do know there are 3rd party wirless controllers for 29.99. We do know for 49.99 you can buy an adapter to connect your 360 to the bigger hard drive you have on your computer to use for saves/videos/demos/ect..... We do know you can buy a 3rd party wirless adapter for 29.99. We have options. Here is a question for sony fans. What percentage of ps3 owners will use the wireless built in adapter that they are FORCED to pay for? How many ps3 will use the blu ray player that they are forced to buy? How many ps3 owners will use all the extra usb slots ALL UP that they are forced to purchase? Think of the bulk of sony's original fan base. Think of the sony fans who only buy on average 3 games a YEAR. Do those people have an hd tv? Do they care? Will they even play online? I'm talking about Sony's Core fan base. You see MS already has their fan base on lock and key. We ain't going no where. We know what to expect from MS and we are happy with what they have made with the original xbox and the major step foward with the 360. The 360 is guarenteed to sell at least 24 million. And with all of Sony's mistakes the 360 is postitioned to steal many fans from Sony.

[kewlkat007]

Yes thats the problem bro...thats exactly the problem...videogames consoles should stay as videogame Consoles...Sony is claiming this sh!t is a Personal computer/gaminng/video player device.

Wouldn't they be cutting into thier own market? Last time I checked Sony also have PC's, Laptops, stand alone players, audio appliances. Trying to turn it to something it doesn't need to be at this time. I don't care what anyone say, they are trying to push this Blu-ray and hoping it will kick-start that format and win the format war with HD-DVD. IMO Thats not a good reason why I would purchase the console.(yes for the games/sequals)

Its basically tricking consumers(becasue of thier market share) by putting new and unproven technology into a consumers hands and hoping it kickoff a different Market. (Thats Arrogance)

I know "fanboys" will get it since they play just one system. Or wait till they afford it while they are missing out on a comparable console.

I expect a "hardcore" gamer as they will do whatever to get the latest.

As for "Casual" gamers just don't be persuaded by thinking you need all the extras you can't take advantage of.

For "simple" gamers I heard vista is coming out with new versions of Minesweeper and solitaire, Stay tuned.

[Siesser]

Despite being a fan, I too think that the idea of calling it a computer is absurd. But I'm not against throwing all those features in; the more the merrier I say. All the stuff they're throwing in is having me say "hey, that'll be cool." I would have gotten wi-fi regardless of what system I get, because it just makes life easier. The memory cards aren't THAT important to me, mostly because everything I use has xD, which isn't one of the supported. But do I view a console as something beyond gaming? Yeah, if they do it right.

Take my tivo. At first, it was just to record tv. Now I also use it to stream music from my computer (wirelessly) and to view photos on my computer. I can listen to hundreds of internet radio stations on it, and on top of that; record tv. I like having all of that in one box. There was talk a while ago (but nothing more has been said) that the PS3 might be able to act as a DVR. That would be cool; especially if it could record in HD (seeing as Tivo's can't yet :(

My ps1 was my main cd player; I brought it as a kid. My ps2 was my main DVD player, getting me through college. I guess I've come accustomed to viewing consoles as more than just something to play games on. And now that I've become so used to machines being multi-function, I'm kind of expecting it.

The PS3 a PC it is not. But it definitely seems like it can pull off being a media center.

[pRo loGic II]

My brothers wife wants to get him a Blu-ray player because she likes the way it looks better vs HD-DVD. I told her to check both BR and HD-DVD out side by side and she thinks (BR) looks better, the store employee told her that the first wave of Blu-ray player's had it's digital noise filter turned on by mistake and was the reason why HD-DVD looked better thus some saying it looks worse vs some saying it looks the same or better. I thought maybe you would know or find the truth.

[TOM]

So she thought it looked better(BR),but the sales person told her it didnt beacause the filter was on? Odd comment

[fartanspartan]

360 and PS3 should just combine to make one big ass expensive console. And play all games 360 games and PS3 games. So that way noone can say this or that and one is better but in the end im sure someone will. So lets all just do handstands so noone will have time to type dumbass remarks. But wait ill say it now my remark is dumb. haha beat u numnuts to it

[The Real Deal]

Thats what my son told me the other day. "Daddy it would be cool if sony and microsoft and nintendo made one unified system to play all games on."

I thought it was cute. In a perfect world thats how it would be.

[TheMART]

PS3 has more features, like

2 x HDMI?
Rumble?
3 x Gigabit Ethernet ports?
No GPU because Cell can do all that?
Be smaller then the 360 case?

Oh no wait, actually those were not real futures, those were the Barbie Ken Sony lies. Damn. I guess it's the same old story again, like lying over PS2 that was actually weaker then Dreamcast and XBOX in power.

Die hard Freaking Fony Fanboys still believe Sony's bullsh!t, ain't it great? They can lie whatever they want, they can cut things in promisses whatever they want those fanboys keep coming back like flies sit on horsesh!t

[kingboy]

oh crap go get laid! ur boring on all comments,u got nuttin to do?go play a console

[The Real Deal]

Well every review I have read has cleary said that the same movies thats out for blu ray and hd dvd...the hd dvd versions look better. I know it had nothing to do with filters. I have read it has more to do with the compression technique used for blu ray. VC-1 is required for all hd dvd movies and its an option for blu ray. And also many blu ray movies are still using mpeg compression techniques...lol....Blu ray still haven't figure out a way to use both sides of the blu ray disc so they are also limited to 25 gigs at this time. Hd dvd's are using both sides effeciantly at 30 gigs. Blu ray is having problems because of the data being so close to the surface of the disc. And on top of all that. I have seen both with my own eyes. Hd dvd clearly looks better. I think the person you are talking about problably saw the tech demo for blu ray. IN THAT case it does look as good as hd dvd. But once you put a real movie in...the quality drops off dramtically. Blu ray when displaying CG cartoon graphics matches hd dvd. But regular movies look notibaly worse.

[The Real Deal]

hd dvd uses film grain Tech and blu ray doesn't.

[no_more_heroes]

and saw them displaying different movies on blu-ray on a $3500 hdtv and it looked really grainy. The movies they had available were both cheaper than I thought they would be for both formats, though the blu-ray movies were more expensive by two dollars (I think it was blu-ray $24.99 and HD-DVD $22.99). The blu-ray player itself does look better than the hd-dvd player though.

[kingboy]

lol! ok xbox wins ,hd dvd wins..can we rest now and all make our individual choices?not everyone wear nike ,puma or rebook..they all got their respective prefered fanbase for ther product geez!let it go

[The Real Deal]

VC1 Compression: While both Blu ray and HD DVD players are required to be compatible with three different compression technologies (including VC1), an intriguing trend has already begun. Content providers (movie studios) for HD DVD are nearly unanimously using the brand new VC1 compression technology, whereas Blu-ray providers are sticking with the ten-year-old MPEG 2 compression that has been used on standard DVDs. With VC1, HD DVDs are able to compress much higher quality video into a significantly smaller package.

[STFU XBOX U SCARED]

I'm sorry a lot of these games don't seem to be on my list why is that! This list is different for different people you silly boy!

[The Real Deal]

And Metal Gear isn't coming out for at least another year. lol...lol....lol.....lol

http://games.ign.com/topgam...

[pRo loGic II]

I wasn't talking to you sorry, anybody that knows me; would know "personly" i think HD-DVD looks better then Blu-ray and would figure out i would have pointed my opinion out to her before she went shopping.

[fartanspartan]

i prefer cheese poofs

[pRo loGic II]

That's what i thought!, I'm going there tomorrow to ask him where he heard that. They probly had the settings on the tv; set differently so they can get rid of those $1000 dollar DVD players.

[The Real Deal]

This is what HD DVD is doing that helps differentiate itself from Blu-ray? Here are a few nuggets to chew on:

VC1 Compression: While both Blu ray and HD DVD players are required to be compatible with three different compression technologies (including VC1), an intriguing trend has already begun. Content providers (movie studios) for HD DVD are nearly unanimously using the brand new VC1 compression technology, whereas Blu-ray providers are sticking with the ten-year-old MPEG 2 compression that has been used on standard DVDs. With VC1, HD DVDs are able to compress much higher quality video into a significantly smaller package.

Capacity: Dual layer 30 GB HD DVDs are already available, whereas Blu-ray has only released its single layer, 25 GB disc.

Hybrid Disc: HD DVD offers the ability to encode both a regular DVD format and HD DVD format on the same disc. If you purchase a hybrid disc, you can flip to one side and play the movie on any standard DVD Player, and when you do get an HD DVD player you can flip to the other side and play it in true HD.

In-Movie Experience: Mandatory for all HD DVD players is a secondary video decoder (not available for Blu-ray). This allows the disc to play separate video streams, which on its own completely changes the opportunities available for bonus features. That way, you can not only watch the movie, but also "watch" the behind the scenes features that apply to the scene you're watching simultaneously.

Chapter Integration: Previously, on standard DVDs, you could only switch to another chapter by backing completely out of the movie (unless you scrolled through manually). Now, with HD DVD, you can bring up the chapter selection seamlessly while still watching the movie.

Easy to Damage: Because Blu-ray discs are encoded near the very top layer of the disc with limited protection, the data is literally at higher risk to damage. Conversely, HD DVD maintains physical protection similar to standard DVD.

[STFU XBOX U SCARED]

Whoa who actually cares! It's so pathetic there's proably an inch between them and yet people will buy which ever console has the more powerfull player even though you can't tell them apart. Really i canno't be bothered with these PC nerds if you want power buy a PC. These are gamming consoles really Xbox fanboys sound pathetic when they start going on about power specs and that, doesn't matter how much crap they can come out with about how powerfull there Xbox is, doesn't change the fact it's about gamming and i preffered MY SONY PS2. Man you people proably don't even know why you bought an Xbox, proably just heard oh it's the most powerfullist, i'll buy it with out any other reason than power yous will defend it and call it better just because it had more power, Pathetic, really i bet half these people have never played any of the games on it, just a bunch of PC thugs by the sound of it!

[ironwolf]

HD-DVD can be produced on the same equipment as standard DVDs with only minor inexpensive (relativly) upgrades. Blu-Ray requires completly new capital investment from one end of the production process to the other. The difference in investment is from 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars for HD-DVD to millions for Blu-Ray.

Which one gets the most to market also depends on who wants to invest how much in which equipment.

[JIN KAZAMA]

If you want to get exactly what the PS3 has, its going to cost you more than the PS3 on the 360. Its simple actually.
Anyways, glad too see you been enjoying Dead Rising. I dont doubt it is a good game, i am sure it is. The game I am really interested in is test drive, that game looks sweet, i think that will be a big hit, no doubt about that. The concept of it looks addicting as HELL!! I am sure it will be in the 9's.

But hey, I gotta stay with my PS3, i know they are gonna have some TIGHT games, i cant waitt o see more of motorstorm.

[ApocalypseShadow]

having a new format being forced on them.no one complained that games went to cd from cartridge.no one complained that it went to dvd.why complain that sony wants to go blu-ray?games will still be created on the format..choice is good.if you don't want hd-dvd for your 360.then that's your choice.the only problem is that for it to succeed,everyone that has a 360 has to buy it for it to be successful.or at least the majority.i've been gaming for over 25 years.and in that time,every add-on that was not built in the system has failed.i say again,for the last 20 years,all companies have failed in having an addon that sold well in high numbers.if you don't care about hd or blu-ray,then hd has already failed,because each ps3,high or low end will have blu-ray built in.wireless is not selling in big numbers on 360.but it will be built in on the high end ps3.so now lets look at dedicated players.sony will make theirs and release it.for a price they choose because it's their system.and blu-ray backers who have not released their blu-rays will release theirs.80% of movie makers are backing blu-ray.80 percent.companies are releasing hd-dvd movies now because they want to try to make some money now.but when both players are on the market fully then things might change.no one knows the future.we'll just have to see how all this pans out.this come from a multisystem gamer who looks at it objectively.just look at my past comments if you need proof.and i'm not going to click lame or cool because that implies that i'm biased.

[Optimus Prime]

ok it is more, but you dont have to buy the xbox 360 wireless. just go buy a wireless router, or an old xbox wireless router. it works exactly the same

[bee2427]

Sadly that list of xbox360 games most desired uh uh (ninety-nine-knights) received 5! from GAMESPOT ... if i spend 400 on a consol that im expecting good games from i hope there better then a 5!

[The Real Deal]

And with that said its still a great game. I have been playing it all day today. Sure its shallow. But if you like frantic mindless hack and slash games it gets no better than this. Its visually beautiful and sure its not that deep but to have hundreds and hundreds of enemies on the screen all at once and have 500 hit combos...well, its just plain and simple fun. Sure I think it should have been 39.99 but for 50 dollars I'm glad I bought it. And its not for everyone. But its a good game. I read the reviews and they all say exactly what I just said. Many reviewers just expected a deeper game than what is offered. I don't want every game I get to be deep. lol....I want some good ole fashion hack n slash sometimes. And Ninety Nine Nights does just that for me. But thats why there are over 50 games out. Every game isn't for everyone. And every game won't and can't get 8's and 9's. But its definately not a bad game. I remember that bruce lee game that came out, it got bashed badly with 4's and 5's. I actually liked it and still have it in my collection. Reviewers tend to have high expectations for all games. Some games just aren't deep. And thats cool with me. As long as you know what you want. Buy what you want.

[ApocalypseShadow]

means you have to buy it.like buying airconditioning.i don't want to buy extra things when you can fit it in the car,camera,tv or game system.since i've been gaming for that long,i've seen that game systems have evolved.ps3,wii and 360.they're not just game systems anymore.not when you had an eletronics giant enter the business.it's like childhood.it's great to look back on that innocence that we once had.or that some of us still have.not all of us here are over 25.i'm used to more for my dollar.360 gives me more.ps3 gives me more.wii gives me more.why buy a mcdonalds hamburger when you can have a jumbo jack with lettuce and tomato for the same or a little more.course you'll have to like the taste.but everyone gets what i mean.

[Dreamworker]

i dont know any of the systems will win. until a winner is on the market for under 200$ i will watch my dvd's on my 2 advanced progessive scan dvd players. and maybe the next generation console have the same system build in already.

[ApocalypseShadow]

right now.any new tech is expensive.when i was looking to buy a dvd player,i thought it was cool that ps2 had dvd built in.because i thought i'd kill two birds with one stone.a game system and a movie player.that pushed me to get a dedicated player and home theathre because of the ps2.after about five movies or so,i stopped watching movies on ps2 because it no longer looked as good.i still bought a dvd playback kit later for xbox just in case the dvd and ps2 went out.but they didn't.but it's cool to have soemthing built in.regardless of price.

[bluhefner]

Well its still jus rumors but if this happens lolz.But i dont really give a flyin kcuf about da 360.

[bee2427]

Im speaking for the quiet majority of people who do want the ps3 because of blu-ray and expect to buy an HDTV to play and watch HD movies... if all of the xbox fanboys are straight up gamers and that is the majority of people who will bring on sonys downfall by outselling them, thats ludicrus.
1)Why would Microsoft make a system to enhance graphics if all people care about is the game and not graphics
2)Sony is proven to be by far the most advanced consol and will eventually have much better graphics. All of you who dont want a hd-dvd or blu-ray player is saying they dont care want the best graphics out there which is obviously wrong and is proven by how many people go out and buy new systems strickly because it looks better then previous systems.
3) SO TO COMPARE THE XBOX 360 to the PS3 without including their movie formats is rediculous
4)The PS3 is a more powerful machine so right away even if it were priced at 400$ without a blu-ray player in it, it would kill the xbox 360 and with it in it only costing 200 more dollars for a machine that is going for over 1000... it blows xbox out of their league!

[UNREAL-T]

u know what i think about this console war maybe MS and SONY are laughing at us, while we're fighting and talking s@#4 about ps3 and 360. maybe they are like best friends or maybe there working together on something else,u never know, while we're like enemies, we have to stop this s@#$. i will stop talking s@#$ about 360, I'LL TRY.

[ApocalypseShadow]

these companies most of the time work together when it benefits both.when something overlaps,then it's competition.they don't care about us the consumer.they care about making a good product because it won't sell if it wasn't.but consumers come and go.they don't care as long as they hit their bottm line.so when fans say this is better or this is better,these companies aren't going to bake them a cake.

[ASTAROTH]

Its nice to see you talk about 360 price with the HD DVD and how you defend it. You said Microsoft gave you choses, Maybe we could chose it to be cartridge!! I believe the PS3 with all its features is a better buy than the 360. Games are coming so dont hesitate. My 360 is waiting in the dust for some GREAT games. Not 7. good or average games. But Im still going to wait. If GOW fail like every other overhyped 360 game, then Im going to be really pissed. I was hoping NINETY NINE NIGTHS to be an incredible game. Overhyped. IGN score it 5.7 so Im not going to waste $65 on it. So Stop being fanatics and analize games. I KNOW ITS NEARLY IMPOSIBLE. Rigth REAL DEAL?? WELCOME CHANG3!!

[The Real Deal]

That game is sooooo fun. Its Mindless Hack n slash. If your not into that type of game. Well, don't get it. lol...its that simple. I'm glad to add that type of game to my 360 collection. I needed that. But it got a mediocre score not because of gameplay or graphics. It got it because the editors at IGN and other sites expected more than mindless slashing of 1000's of on screen enemies. Its all about what you expect and want in a game

[DJ]

and using a 20 foot ethernet cable routing across a different room is inconvinient to say the least. I'm glad the wifi is included in the $600 version. You can even buy off-the-shelf USB wifi adaptors (i've seen them for 20-30 bucks) and just plug it into your ps3. Same with SD card, Compact flash, and Memory stick adaptors. We can even shove in any SATA 2.5" drive (laptop size) we want into our PS3s which is awesome. You can get standard 100-gig hard drives for the same price as MS 20Gb 360 drives which is astounding.

BTW, if 20 Gb 360 drives are $100, how much would MS charge for 60 Gb drives? o_o They gotta lower the price on those suckers, and soon. Talk about a price hike.

As far as I can tell MS is giving us 'choice', though a very expensive one (official wifi adaptor for $100?!! they're 25 bucks at circuit city for christ's sake).

Sony on the other hand doesn't care about choice and instead is focusing on giving us a hell of a deal and the best possible system for our hard-earned money.

[ASTAROTH]

Now Microsoft is going to redesign the 360. Now Im really pissed.(IGN.com)

[The Real Deal]

The price of the 20 gig will drop and they will announce a bigger hard drive soon. My bet is before christmas or the ps3's launch. With the Seagate merger (the makers of the 360's hard drive) I expect lower prices soon. But keep in mind that you can use your computers hard drive very easily for 50 dollars. It actually works really well. So I not only have my 20 gig drive which hasn't even been halfway used up and I download everything, but I have my 250 gig drive as back up if needed. Pretty cool huh...Good Job MS. As far as the ps3 hard drive. Does your warranty void when you shove any ole hard drive in your ps3? lol...lol....lol Think about it.

Now to Asoroths comments....

Well How many games do you want that are Great or Outstanding? 8's and 9's ? I mean its only been a little over half a year and there are games that have recieved Great to Outstanding ratings. Here is the list if thats what you are waiting for...

Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 9.3

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 9.2

Prey Shooter 9.0

Dead or Alive 4 9.0

Call of Duty 2 9.0

Burnout Revenge 8.9

Project Gotham Racing 3 8.8

Condemned: Criminal Origins 8.7

EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 8.5

Moto GP 2006 8.4

2006 FIFA World Cup 8.4

Perfect Dark Zero 8.4

Kameo: Elements of Power Adventure 8.4

Dead Rising 8.3

Far Cry Instincts Predator 8.3

Tony Hawk's American Wasteland 8.3

Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II, The 8.2

Tomb Raider: Legend 8.2

Cloning Clyde 8.1

QUAKE 4 8.1

Hitman: Blood Money 8.0

Astropop 8.0

Zuma Deluxe 8.0

Peter Jackson's King Kong 8.0

Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 8.0

Need for Speed Most Wanted 8.0

Madden NFL 06 8.0

[ASTAROTH]

REAl DEAL im sick of your excuses. I know games like Ovblivion are really good, as are some of games on your list. I also know its a matter of tastes, thats why I prefer other games and FPS over Prey. The point here is , no matter how much excuses you bring the 360 is in lack of the great games it promissed. Until GOW, I hope its not overhyped, there is nothing that can be a system seller. And man, no matter if you like it, or waste your money. N3 sucks. When IGN post a bad news against the PS3 you said it is a trusty source, but now you are saying its a matter of tastes. Come on dude. LOL. I believe that even GENJY 2 would be better. JAJAJA WELCOME CHANG3!!!!

[TBAteam]

So the ps3 fans are now saying "LOL you guys just got owned because it cost more if you throw in the options"....but 3 weeks ago it was "You pay for quality and the ps3 is quality"....and 5 weeks ago it was "360 cost less because its worth-less" .... but then again... the 360 only cost more if i want it to cost more..... so im kinda confused where the screaming sony fan is coming from... now that the 360 "cost more" does that mean you dont really get what you pay for? or is the ps3 the lesser console?

[TBAteam]

last gen you were all yelling "graphics dont matter, its all about gameplay" when the ps2 being less powerful arguement sprouted... but this generation the 360 is about 10-12% lower in processing power than the ps3... and now the arguement is "the ps3s power is amazing and xbox 1.5 is stupid" im a bit confused again where the ps3 fanboy (not the itelligent well thought out fans.. but the actual fanboys) are coming from. Do you guys even think about what you say before you say it... or do you just say whatever best defends you inanimate object at that time?

[bluhefner]

360 fanboyz were saying to the Ps3 fanboyz that $600 dollars is so expensive and that nobody cud afford it,but in order to watch HD-DVD w/xbox u need a $200 plus add on which is supposedly costing more for a high end ps3 altogether.And Ps3 already has Blu Ray,and has 3 times as much HDD GB.

[Marriot VP]

NOBODY WANTS A HD-PLAYER, only tech extremists. It's choice, sony doesn't give it to you.

[The Real Deal]

3rd party wireless adapter 29.99

3rd party wireless controller 29.99

Adapter to utilize your comptuers 250 gig hard drive 49.99

xbox 360 premium on several online sites 359.99

Many titles out now 39.99 to 49.99 to 59.99

xbox live for a year 36.99

So for 546 dollars you get a game, extra controller, wi fi adapter, year of live, and hard drive sharing capabilities.

And don't forget the price drop come Nov/Dec. WOW....Incredible...

[DJ]

Microsoft hasn't announced any price drops for their peripherals and add-ons, let alone the actual console. There is no price drop until officially announced by the company. Don't spread false information.

[The Real Deal]

Well Microsoft is re writing gaming history and breaking every record out there.

Xbox 360’s accessory attach rate held steady for the fourth consecutive month at 2.9 accessory units sold per console. At nine months into the lifecycle, Xbox 360 is still setting a record with the highest accessory attach rate of a console launch in history.

The fact of the matter is 360 gamers are a different breed of gamer than sony gamers. Sony's games attatch ratio is a little over 1 game per console. Micrososts games attatch ratio is 4.9. Xbox 360 gamers buy games and accessories breaking records that have been set over the last 20 years of gaming. So with the 360 you have to dis regard history because MS is re writing history this time around. WOW....

[andthensum]

The 360 is already missing so many features that in order to actually gain somewhat of a next-gen experience, add-ons such as the hd-dvd and whats that, a sensor controller, are needed. It's funny how a lot of 360 add-ons come standard with the ps3. And yet again, with the ps3, you save.

[The Real Deal]

But Yet the Xbox 360 had 4 of the 10 top selling titles across ALL consoles:
“NCAA Football 2007” (EA)
“Prey” (Take 2)
“Chromehounds” (Sega)
“Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle Earth II” (EA)

[TBAteam]

your totally off base.
the ps2 *sold* 103 million consoles(DRE)
The 360 *sold* 6 million consoles

the ps2 has been out for like.. 6 years
the 360 has been out for... .7 of a year

fan base is different that sold... fanbase is how many people bought the console and still play it (i have a ps2... i never play it because i have a 360...im in the 360 fanbase)

[pRo loGic II]

109 - Hefner's Back
BlueHefner - 2 Hours ago
Well its still jus rumors but if this happens lolz.But i dont really give a flyin kcuf about da 360. YET YOU'RE IN THIS THREAD POSTING ON THE HD-DVD ADD-ON FOR THE 360. LOL

[DJ]

You know there's other websites besides IGN.com, and even magazine publications. why don't you post reviews from those sources if your so resourceful? unless of course you're afraid of showing people what kind of horrible scores some of these 'great' titles have racked up depending on who's reviewed them.

A 7.0 is not a good score. It stands for mediocre. In fact, most games are rated at 7.0 You would be able to claim that 7.0 was a good score if games were reviewed properly on a median-based bell curve.

I saw a review for Killswitch. It got 7s from what I saw so i assumed it was a good game. I mean, come on, 7/10 should be good right? NO! It was utter crap. Most games i try that are scored at 7/10 aren't very good at all.

Of course there's the possibility that you're one of the few gamers that can't tell the difference between good and bad games (i actually have a friend with this exact problem. He claims Dynasty Warriors 4 and 5 have the best gameplay ever and rates them above even God of WAR!...I was shocked)

[ASTAROTH]

5.7, MEDIOCRE. And the REAL DEAL said the game is amazing, one of the best he played. He said its a matter of tastes. We know he only talks S#IT!!! WELCOME CHANG3!!!! READ POST 113!!!LOL.

[The Real Deal]

I didn't say its one of the best I have every played. Why do sony fans LIE. And now you want to mis quote me. Whats wrong with you? I like the game. But I understand why the reviewer would call it mediocre for a next gen game. They expect more than mindless hack n slash. I wanted mindless hack n slash. there is nothing wrong with that. I said Dead rising is on of the best games I have played. When a reviewer gives Prey an Outstanding 9.0 you say..."well ign is biased"...but when ign gives a game a 5 point somthing..."ign is right on and accurate"....lol....Wierd o's I tell you. Lying, in denial wierdos are you. Prey is Outstanding. I believe Ninety nine nights is Good not Great. But the graphics are amazing. There are games for everyone on the 360. RPG...check....FPS....check... .Racing....Check.....Fighting.. ...check......action....check.. ...old school....check......platform. ....check.....
sports....check.....

Get it? Got it? Good. Jump In.

[ApocalypseShadow]

your talking about things that people need.like controllers or head sets.hd dvd is not something someone needs to have friends and family play with you."hey man i want to play""alright i'll go out and by hd-dvd so that you can play too."not one add-on for the last 20 plus years was successful.microsoft has great attachment rates.that's good.but hd-dvd doesn't help your games at all like microsoft said.sony failed with the hard drive,sega failed with their add ons.nintendo and nec(turbographics)failed and so on.if it's not built in,it will fail unless there is a direct need.memory cards sold because you need them.controllers sold because you need them.hd-dvd does nothing for the 360.unless they can sell it for the low low price of $100 dollars and promote it like crazy,it will fail.it should have been built in.blu-ray is built in.you don't have to use it.but it is built in.and it saves everybody from buying an attachment.

[Dreamworker]

but what if the Hd-dvd add-on is like the xbox360 controller you can connect by usb to your pc what if the hd-dvd add-on connect to the pc by usb to.

[Dreamworker]

-if you have a 1080p Hdtv?
-you have high speed online conection?
-blu-ray wins the format war?
-exclusiv games with better graphics?
if you have all this and sony offers the better games what run 1080p thats a deal o.k.
i wait and will see what the future shows. i dont see 1080p Hdtv's in kids and teen's rooms with highsppeed connection in the next years.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

he and i dont get along, but at least he knows what he's talking about! leave him alone!

[The Real Deal]

Ms has already announced that the hd dvd add on will be compatible with a pc. MS is a master at making add ons work. SOny in the past has failed and nintendo has failed with add ons....MS has made it work and made it work beautifuly. Thanks Microsoft. Good job.

[Dreamworker]

i am sure with the new windows vista will come more surprises for sony. with a hd-dvd drive for 200$ OR LESS i think thats the price what consumers accept not a console what is build for games and the rest of the familie like to watch a movie but the gamer is sitting on the Hdtv in the living romm and want to play games. if you wanna play and the familie want to watch a movie you go in your room and play and connect the add-on to your pc and with windows media center they watch the HD-DVD.

[The Real Deal]

The vision cam is also compatible with PC's. Its just a master stroke by MS. HD dvd can be used for computer owners and 260 owners. And same goes with the 39.99 vision cam. Man its a great time to Jump into the next gen. Thanks MS.

[DJ]

'260 owners'

[The Real Deal]

lol...well said. But we can get along. I'm a coo dude. And I really don't dislike the ps3. I dislike sony's boo boo choices. I would be praising Sony if they had the blu ray drive as an option and the price was reflecting that. The bottom line is I don't want blu ray. I believe it will flop just like all of sony other format endevors. I don't want to buy a video game console with a flopping formatt. And that flopping formatt is the reason to why it cost 200 more than the competition. No one can make me change my mind about Sony's big mistake.

[The Real Deal]

If you look at the scores there is a word in red right next to it. 7 has the word "GOOD" right next to it. 8 has the word "GREAT" right next to it. 9 has the word "OUTSTANDING" right next to it. and 5 has the word "MEDIOCRE" right next to it. If you see a girl and rate her one through ten. a 10 is stunning. a 9 is top notch. a 8 is well above nice looking but not stunning. a 7 is Good looking but not perfect. a 6 is just above average. a 5 is average looking. a 4 is below average on the verge of ugly. and so on. Get it? Got it? Good. Stop trying to change the scoring methods to fit what you want to believe. Also if you look at the reader scores besides the reviewer scores they are typically higher. Reviewer are more critical of games than actual gamers. It is what it is. Are you sleep DJ. You are trippin.

[bee2427]

You put down sonys whole consol because of the blu-ray player? to me it seems like you were spitting off statistics about how much better the 360 was over sony but if the blu-ray player wasnt in it you would be praising it?

why dont you just say that sony made a big mistake with the blu-ray (although for my personal taste i disagree) rather put sony down and make xbox seem superior?

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Ken Kutaragi is a bit whack, but does Bill Gates speak Japanese? Ya...i thought so. haha...jk

But seriously, i believe blu-ray will win because its more supported, Sony advertises like crazy, its virtually unscratchable, and more people will own more blu-ray players. Screen resolution isnt a reason to buy something. Most people DONT have a 1080p tv... or even 720p. It's all about games now. We know the ps3 is more powerful, and we know the 360 has better online (for now). Just wait everyone!

[Dreamworker]

bill take my money and give it to the poor people that they can buy a 360 smile just a joke. no give it maybe in 2 years to fired sony managers.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Dude, we both know that both systems will sell well. No one will be fired. We, the news4gamers posters, are a joke to the outside world. Not hard to believe

[Dreamworker]

1080p we will need for the future of video gaming but not now maybe in 6 years. next consoles will both have 1080p or anything else games will be in full 3D. Movies in 3D without glasses will hit theaters in 3 years first movie is Star Wars 1 patent for this system is not japanese costs for a existing movie like lord of the rings only $5 million.

[THE TRUTH]

1080p "we" will need for the future of video gaming but not now maybe in 6 years.

Really You should say that YOU don't need it. Some of you gamers have said that Sony is forcing this on us. It seems that some gamers are guilty of what they "say" that hate about Sony. I want 1080p, I want WiFi I need a bigger harddrive. So to say what "EVERY" gamers needs is crazy because you don't represent every gamer!!

All I am asking is that we reserve judgement til we at least get our hands on these new consoles. If you don't like Sony or whoever that is fine and I respect your opinions but I predict that after TGS ALOT of these same opinions will change. There are some games that look to be awseome games that are going under the radar like (LAIR) and will be big for PS3. Let's let all the facts surface and be excited about this Generation of games

[The Real Deal]

How do you feel about just about every developer for the ps3 saying that running a game in 1080p is too much of a hit on the hardware and effects frame rate and extra effects? If you would like a link from IGN again I can provide it. Its a link from IGN ps3 listing all the games and they are all being made for either 720p or 1080i. Only 2 were possible for 1080p but with a side note saying that may have to come down from that due to hit on hardware. When most new 1080p tv's can de interlace and make the 1080i image upscale to 1080p. Its more feasable for game developers to make games in 1080i or 720p. So when you say "you" need 1080p you get it either way if you have a 1080p tv. What you need to understand truth is ....Yes the ps3 can output 1080p but its mainly for blu ray movies and not games. Sure its possible to make a game in that resolution. But it takes away from other features when you program a game for that resolution. It hurts the fps and certain effects won't be in that resolution.

One other thing Truth. Yes there are gamers like yourself who feel the ps3 is what you need. But the fact of the matter is you represent a small minority of gamers. Most gamers whether it be them buying the ps2 or the xbox or the gamecube....don't buy a system till it hits that 200 dollar sweet spot. Sure some may be tempted with the 300 dollar 360 or the 250 Wii. But none of the people, which is most everyone, will buy a console for half a grand or more. Thats my issue with Sony. They are leaving the bulk of their fan base in the cold. The same people who made them who they are. The casual gamer. Oh, thats right....sony threw the casual gamer a price cut in the ps2. WOW.....thats sad. Let them jump in too. Well, casual gamers...never fear....360 and Wii is here. If you want next gen gameplay with kiddie concepts...get the Wii. If you want next gen graphics and gameplay for big kids and adults with games that match or blow away what ps3 has shown thusfar...get the 360...either at 300 or shortly after the year mark at 199 for the core or 299 for the premium. THe more consumers that buy your console. The more developers show you love. Sony..."did you forget that"...lol.....

[AzaziL]

Logically, it's correct but since my wifi really sucks, like the box could be next to my pc and it'll still go slow, I don't use it. My only worry is the HD-DVD since not everyone will have it, that practically means most games on the 360 will be limited to regular DL-DVDS which in comparison to bluray is tiny. It'll take time before the thought of developing titles for the HD-dvd will emerge since most would opt to wait till a good majority has the device, but because of since, 360 games will always have greater space limitations then the ps3. If they really want their system to float, they should eat more losses on this one too so that more people will have it faster and devs will work on games for it sooner. Until then, sony smells blood in the water.

[The Real Deal]

No game has had to do it but multi dvd's is not out the question if needed. And I emphasize "IF" because no game to date. But if needed, it can be done. So disc space is not an issue. And with direct x 10 and xna and superior compression techniques...I don't see needing multi discs for games within the next 5 years.

[The Real Deal]

Some games will be released in both multi dvd formats and hd dvd formats if it comes down to a game needing to be that big. I have played over 200 hours of oblvion and that game didn't fill up the disc and it looks amazing. But its a none issue when it comes to disc space and games.

[omansteveo]

These articles are so stupid and make no sense at all the arguemet isnt and theres is no point wow a 360 plus a HD-DVD drive and an extra controller is more than a ps3 well yeah, im pretty sure if you got a Wii and 10 games its more or how about this a DS and 20 games, wait one more how about a ps2 and 20 games, yeah weird huh?? you puy a console and some accessories and your spending more money man go figure.

P.S.most useless article ever thanks for pointing out the obvious

[Twist96]

SINCE WHEN WAS THE $200 PRICE POINT ACTUALLY CONFIRMED?!

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Dude, you gotta chill. The PS3 has a big pricetag, yes, but it in NO WAY alienates their fanbase. They're still supporting the PS2...their other big console...UNLIKE SOMEONE ELSE! The 360 is a big price too! Have you not noticed that it's expensive too? Price shouldn't matter to a gangsta like urself...or anyone else that actually has a job. 600 dollars for a console that also does the work of a top-of-the-line pc is outstanding! How many people have pc's? EVERYONE! What i'm saying is...ur being retarded!

Oh, and about the disc-space. They're using blu-ray to put multiple languages on one disc. So we can flawlessly play other gamers from around the world...and so the developer only has to make ONE type of disc...a universal one. They also use it because it's hard to scratch. You can't disagree with something that's true. I'm glad MS is giving us a choice, but i'd WAY rather get a blu-ray player IN MY SYSTEM. It will probably be a GOOD blu-ray player too! Why is everyone complaining about the PS2 being a bad dvd player? Mine is still PERFECT! BOUGHT IT AT LAUNCH! I would like to have a slimline though. Seriously though, dude, most of us "ps3 buyers" aren't buying it because it has the best graphics...or we would have bought an xbox the first time around. We're buying it for MGS, DMC, FF, Lair, Resistance, and multiple others! We like our games...you like yours. Don't slam us...and don't lie. I realize you have links. Those links back up a minimal amount of your information. I don't have links. Rumors are DUMB! Don't listen to reporters or journalists. *cough...dan rather*

If you want my opinion...just lay off the forums, go play ur system, enjoy the time you have with your children, enjoy life period, and buy what YOU want to buy. If we all make a mistake by buying a PS3 with blu-ray...you can trashtalk us ALL you want! I'm serious. If it turns out to completely suck...i'll give you my number and you can even yell at me and call me stuff. Ask yourself something though..."Is it worth your anger to argue with a 17 year-old that has a different opinion than you?"

Just a question...

i still have respect though

[The Real Deal]

I'm good man. And thats how they show their fan base love? continue with the crappy ps2? Everyone would like to play next gen games. Ps2 was outdated 4 years ago when the xbox came out. 299 is only 100 more than most gamers who bought an xbox or a ps2 bought it for. Asking casual gamers to jump into the next gen for 100 more than they spent on ps2 is not asking much. But asking them to pay 300 more than 200 they spent for a ps2 is a shame and sad. i can afford a ps3 no problem.. thats not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about most causal gamers. Don't forget about the average joes. MS didn't. Thats why MS will have next gen dominance. SOny dominated the last two gens. And now its MS's turn. They did everything right. Sony has done many things wrong. And everyone will be witness to what I'm talking about this christmas. Price cuts/hd dvd/vision cam/gears of war. Sony's time is up. They forgot about their casual gamers in this NEXT GEN.

[DJ]

How did Sony forget about casual gamers? Got any proof to back that up 'cause no console maker is stupid enough to do that. I mean look at Microsoft, they've 360'd their whole strategy to target casual customers and taken a whole family approach to their marketing(kinda like Disney).

Successful business requires casual, intermittent, AND hardcore gamers. Sony's been doing this for over a decade and have beaten every company they've been put up against (sega, nintendo, microsoft). Have a little faith. They know what they're doing. True gamers don't waste their time hoping for the downfall of rival consoles; they enjoy games regardless of what system they come from. Which system they prefer is completely up to them.

It's OK to be a fan of a system(s). It's simply user preference. Think of it this way; you don't see Dell and Gateway users fighting each other day after day on these kinds of issues.

[The Real Deal]

They have completely forgot about the little people who made them as big as there are in the console industry. How? By charging half a grand or more to jump in. lol....lol....lol.... 90% of Japanese gamers think the ps3 is priced TOO high. Thats their home base. Their home turf....lol... Sony is depending on its brand name to some how make casual gamers some how some way come up with half a grand to play the ps3. Won't happen for most people. What Sony forgot is that gamers didn't buy sony because of their name the first two gens they won. They bought it because of the games that were exclusive to ps2. GTA sold 40 million. Thats almost half of sony's ps2 fan base. All those gamers don't even need a ps3 to play their favorite game. They can jump in at an affordable price with exclusive content on the 360. Do you get it yet DJ. I know its hard to swallow. But the truth is the truth. Like it or not. Get over it buddy.

[The Real Deal]

Your joking right? I assume you are an adult....Casual gamers are gamers who buy a console and a couple games a year. Sony's core base. There are 103 million ps2 owners but yet they buy on average 1.7 games each. Thats dismal but mostly due to the causal gamer who don't buy many games. Those people that supported sony are the gamers who bought the ps2 when it was 199, 149, and now 129. For the bulk of sony's fan base they buy it at a budget price and they don't buy many games at all. So by sony charging half a grand to play their least expensive option they have abandoned their core base of casual gamers. The guys that put sony in that number one spot for 2 generations. Those people waited for the ps2 to drop to under 200 before they bought it. Ps3 won't see 200 dollars for the ps3 ever. lol...lol.... So those causal gamers that they once had on lock and key are now left to play the ps2 for the next 5 years. Unless they get tempted with all the great content MS provides with a core system at 199. Thats when the take over will begin. Thanks Microsoft for making a system that is truly next gen and capable of soon hitting that 199 sweet spot.

[The Real Deal]

You have shown that you are not a true gamer. A true gamer, like editors at ps3land, IGN PS3, ect....they have bought the 360 and enjoy the 360 as a next gen console. Heck they have even went as far as to actually recommend it to their layal readers who come there for Ps3 news. WOW, thats a gamer for real. If you are a real gamer and have really been gaming all your life, then you know that the 360 is the best gaming machine to date by far and clear. Their not saying don't get the ps3. They are saying if you love games and are a true gamer...you should get the 360. So lets clarify that most of yall are not real gamers when you bash a console that even ps3 editors love and play.

Now here is my question for you.

What do you say to the parent who WILL not pay 500 plus dollars for a next gen console but their child wants the new Madden 2007 and they want the next gen Madden 2007. What do you tell them? Do you recommend them getting the 360 core for their 12 year old that has no internet access? Do you lie to them and say that Madden 2007 looks better on the ps3. lol....

Here is another one. What do you tell the gamer who only buys 1 or 2 games a year. They don't have internet access and they want the new GTA game because thats their favorite game. Now keep in mind he works a regular 9 to 5 and makes just enoough to pay rent, car note, insurance, cable, and normal bills. In the past he has bought the consoles at 299 when they launched. A ps2 and a xbox. He has to save frantically just for him to buy those consoles when they launched. What do you tell this guy? What do you recommend him to buy?

I would love to hear you sony fan boys put a spin on the obvious choice that even ps3 editors have said repeatedily. Lets hear it. Lets see what kind of true gamers yall really are. Or if yall are just blind fan boys.

[djbassay2k5]

"What do you tell the gamer who only buys 1 or 2 games a year. They don't have internet access and they want the new GTA game because thats their favorite game. Now keep in mind he works a regular 9 to 5 and makes just enoough to pay rent, car note, insurance, cable, and normal bills. In the past he has bought the consoles at 299 when they launched. A ps2 and a xbox. He has to save frantically just for him to buy those consoles when they launched. What do you tell this guy? What do you recommend him to buy?"

a 360. but thats all aside tha point, tha point is if a person has to go through that much trouble the last time the gaming industry changed... wut makes you think that they are going to do that again? seeing as though this is the casual gamer and the the two system SKU clearly states wut the contents box contains.

when the PS2 came out, i clearly knew that it was inferior to the Xbox. no doubt. but its was the same price and it doubled as a DVD player so if the PS2 flopped, it would still be go for something (barely)

"Those people that supported sony are the gamers who bought the ps2 when it was 199, 149, and now 129. For the bulk of sony's fan base they buy it at a budget price and they don't buy many games at all."

man this was like 2 or 2.5 years after the point of launch, by this time the parts in the PS3 will alomst completely obselete and dirt cheap to produce. and since is copy its competition like everyone is saying, im sure they will have a stripped down slim version of the PS3 without a haddrive/wifi but still can this on with usb (like xbox) for probably 200-300USD

OK now i would like to talk my opinion about the 360(i own a core and a extra controller, nothing)

its nuthin my PC cant do

there is nuthin really NEW about the 360, just custom parts that will probably never leave the 360, unlike tha PS which is a new brach of tech in 6 years which it should always be like. not more of tha same

its great, with all tha other addons that is

yea, straight forward its the better product, and it was last time too, hardcore exclusives, inovative design, better hardware but we all know the stroy with tha and the PS2

well my point of these comments were to state this fact. YOU cant compare two consoles if one has been out to the public for a year and one that has not even been released yet. because noone here can predict anything in the future.