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Why Kinect Actually Innovates Motion Gaming – Move Does Not

"I have to give it to Microsoft, when Kinect was unveiled at E3 I was disappointed. The only game that looked interesting to me was Dance Central, and even then I still wasn’t convinced that Kinect was worth buying.

Now just 4 days after Kinect was released I am sold on this technology. The Move on the other hand is just a rip off of the Wii, the controllers are essentially the same, and the technology is essentially the same too."

Cody @ VideoGameBlogger

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codyodiodi5346d ago

Motion gaming is the same thing. You use your motions to control a character. Kinect lets you do more with your body to control the character.

It's apples to apples and oranges to oranges really.

darthv725346d ago

apples and oranges:
they both are fruits
they both grow on trees
they both can be juiced
they both have skin
they both are round(ish)
they both need photosynthesis to grow
they both contain vitamins
they both come in different types/sizes

There are more similarities than there are differences. Maybe the correct analogy would be Apples to Onions. Now THERE is a straight up difference.

unrealgamer585346d ago

lol where did this guy come from? XD

N4g's an adventure evey time I logon

fear885346d ago

I call that a fanboy Cody. It has nothing to do with the fact that it is your opinion but the fact that you insistently push it onto others and disregard the actual facts to prove or disprove that foundation is what really bothers me. You totally disregard the facts and come up with this amalgamation of actual history is outright hypocritical to your evident cause.

1. The eyetoy was a motion sensing tech not first of course (Nintendo and Sega dabbled in it) but certainly a precursor to Kinect.

2. Sonys augmented 3D reality patents with a controller and camera (in 2000 - 2004) predate the actual Wii licensing agreements to which Nintendo actually did not innovate but rather just licensed from another company namely Gyration Technology and Immersion

3. Microsoft bought 3DV systems (an Israeli tech firm) back in February 2009 who for several years were developing a 3D sensing camera that Kinect was made from to demonstrate at E3 2009.

4. Wii sensor is in fact a very low (and old) tech which involves the so-called sensor bar (which with all due respect is nothing more than 5 infrared led lights at both ends plugged into a power source) transmitting two concentrated sources of infrared light which is caught by the built in IR camera in the wii controller (which would explain why it needed constant line of sight to be accurate) essentially making it nothing more than a triangulated reverse VCR remote.

So don't tell me like I am some brainless monkey that YOU know whats really going on when its pretty evident that your opinion is coming from a source where the sun don't shine.

sayonara895346d ago (Edited 5346d ago )

Xbox fanboy wrote the "article", yay! Looks like he never heard about Eye Toy (2003) and first Move prototypes (2000).

Love this video of Kine..tic http://www.youtube.com/watc...

codyodiodi5346d ago (Edited 5346d ago )

I have heard of the Eye Toy. Can you please elaborate how the Eye Toy is like Kinect?

Last I remember Eye Toy had you stand in this cutout of a person and hit things.

Kinect has you play games, Dance Central a great example at what it can do currently.

For the PS Move have you heard of the Wii, it was released back in 2006.

Saynora, that video is funny. My webcam can do that, but it can't play Dance Central.

SkyCrawler5346d ago

Isnt the notion of you interacting with the projections on screen trying to get points "playing" games?

codyodiodi5346d ago

Kinect games are actually modern games. Eyetoy was just a cute little gimmik not intended to add to the console, or perhaps it was. Developers couldn't make good games for the Eyetoy though, it was a novelty act at best.

SkyCrawler5346d ago

I agree. Sony has done a lot with the eyetoy. I think they should have marketed it more and gotten it "out there". Then again Sony didnt really have any competition at the time. I find this vid interesting in comparing the similarities between the two....

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

sayonara895346d ago

"Move" in 2000: http://www.youtube.com/watc... (Sony patented camera + wand in 2004)

darthv725346d ago (Edited 5346d ago )

neither are innovative at the moment. When you really think about it, they are "evolutionary" NOT "revolutionary". Meaning they are simply the next extension of interactive control of an onscreen object.

Pong started it with a simple rotating knob. From there is has all been up the ladder. Eyetoy reference needs to stop or be directed to the proper comparison. In this case, the original Live vision camera.

PSEye is a better eyetoy. Kinect...it isnt a better live vision or eyetoy because they are nothing alike. How it is utilized will determine if it remains evolutionary or actually breaks that streak and becomes revolutionary.

Longrod_Von_Hugendon5346d ago (Edited 5346d ago )

"Kinect games are actually modern games."

What does that have to with the core mechanics. Nothing. It's an updated version of an old theme which Sony was the first to pioneer and was wise of them to abandon.

Kinect will have a short product cycle and won't even be remembered a year from now.

raztad5346d ago

Dance Central, really? it is just ONE game, and the most casual of the bunch. You make it sound like Dance Central is the holy grail of gaming.

True is most of the "revolutionary" Kinect library has been done years ago. Kinect as it stands right now is very limited as a way to interact with games. Probably MS will end up releasing a subcontroller at some point, if they really want to build on top of Kinect as a gaming platform.

Ethereal5346d ago

LOL. Do some research before you speak. Thanks to sayonara89 was going to post that.

Dee_915346d ago (Edited 5346d ago )

cody just a heads up
next time you make an opinion piece do a little more research

you can say move is just a more advaced version of wii .. but kinect is just a more advanced version of pseye
so to say one inovates and the other one doesent is just plain idiotic ..

Sharingan_no_Kakashi5346d ago

In saying that Move and Kinect are apples and apples, and then denying similarites between kinect and Eyetoy.

turok5346d ago (Edited 5346d ago )

u do realize ur opinion is fodder no? the public and its god damn mumbling. wheres the republicans to shut u up?

btw smelling sony fanboyism. so becuz of that... i cannot take any of ur comments seriously.

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jerethdagryphon5346d ago

or the activator ring or the wierd controller thing from nintindo

kinect doesnt inovate it incorperates

eyetoy visual camera for idintification check

activater ir grid for deapth and motion tracking check

codyodiodi5346d ago

Avtivater ring you had to set up on the floor though, right?

Kinect is under my TV and it stays out of the way. Literally to play it all I have to do is turn my Xbox 360 on, wave, and then say "play disc" I don't have to set anything up or grab a controller.

FriedGoat5346d ago

i like picking up controllers.
i like precision. something kinect doesnt have.

codyodiodi5346d ago

Kinect seems awfully precise to me.

Otheros005346d ago

How does it innovate by doing and being the same thing that's already been done before?

AceofStaves5346d ago

I see it as an evolution of existing tech, rather than an innovation. It's not bringing anything new to the table. It improves on a control scheme that's been out for several years.

In gaming terms, Kinect and Move are essentially the same thing - motion-based controllers.

It's in its non-gaming applications that Kinect innovates. Being able to voice-control your console, for example. That's something new.

garrod5346d ago

I'm inclined to agree with Otheros00. I understand that Kinect may work and be fun and even though I do have an Xbox 360 I for one do not feel that it is worth the price tag of 150 bucks for yet another motion controller gimmick. I have a wii and I recently just picked up the PS3 320 gig Move bundle and I am quite content with those for now.

Motion5346d ago (Edited 5346d ago )

Voice control is nothing new for consoles. Mario Party 6 for the gamecube came with a mic. You used it for giving speech orders in some of the minigames. Regardless, its all in the software as long has you have some kind of mic. You don't need any fancy hardware for voice control.

FragMnTagM5346d ago

That has been disproven. I have black family and friends who have used it at my house in really good lighting and very dark lighting. Works fine. STFU if you have no clue what you are talking about.

IrishYamato5346d ago

Ask my friend Google- he knows everything.

turok5346d ago

... a klan member. "looks at avatar"

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Looming Xbox layoffs threaten Microsoft's reputation

Even as the company sets out to overhaul the very definition of Xbox, cuts at its studios risk creating a negative image reminiscent of EA's worst era

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Jingsing1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

I appreciate the article but this guy must be living in a delayed universe, The reputation was ruined 10+ years ago and hasn't recovered since. As such people have voted with their wallets and stopped buying Xbox products in large amounts.

YourMommySpoils1h ago

Their reputation was lost way before that. From the moment Microsoft said they entering the console business, we all knew it would be a downgrade.

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isarai1d 5h ago

What reputation is this threatening exactly? 😂

Lightning771d 3h ago

Rumors of Turn 10 being either shut down or hit with massive lay offs is on the horizon.

The issue is MS will do something right only to do something very, very wrong. And they do this what seems calculative at this point. Doesn't matter what they do the Investors and leadership want more and more money an endless bottomless pit of purr insatiable greed. A company that acts like it's broke or hurting is what really, really infuriates me. They've surpassed apple again well over 3 trillion who acts like they're a million dollar company is fk stupid. Pivots and changes for no reason and can't do things for more than a year with out a pivot or changing their metrics.

Christopher5h ago

That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest.

1Victor5h ago

@christopher: “ That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest”
The key word big can be ether good or bad 🤷🏿only time can tell

DarXyde3h ago

First Forza being generated entirely via AI?

If any company would do it, it'd be them.

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Microsoft planning “major” Xbox layoffs next week

The cuts are expected to be announced next week.

Microsoft is also planning thousands of job cuts that will impact other parts of it businesses

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Obscure_Observer4d ago

MFs has been beating their chests over great quarterly results and big profits to shareholders while firing people by the thousands just like Sony.

I wonder if at the top of those rumored layoffs they´ll also cancel upcoming or unannounced games while shutting down more studios as well.

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pwnmaster30004d ago

Always got to throw shade at Sony smh.
Yes we get it,
MS good Sony bad
MS bad Sony is also bad lmao

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Obscure_Observer4d ago

F* them both!

Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares.

blacktiger4d ago

He was talking about both. Why you getting offended when he's using both names

pwnmaster30004d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@Blacktiger

Im not offended , that’s just his formula lol
He can’t help help himself, he needs to bring Sony down when the topic involves MS.
Whether is good news for MS or bad, it some how leads to Sony doing bad lmao.
It’s actually hilarious.

InUrFoxHole4d ago

He's not wrong but im tracking what youre saying. In this case is should just be MS bad. Thats a lot of people fired

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Tacoboto4d ago

"just like Sony"

Gosh you're insufferable, not everything needs to be both-sides'd. Sony's had layoffs, but nothing like what Microsoft has been doing and is continuing to do.

CrimsonWing694d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I mean, no offense, but this is why you’re not some corporate business person running a major corporation. Big profits don’t mean jobs are safe. Do you understand why things like this happen:

Cutting jobs to maintain or increase profitability, especially in underperforming divisions like parts of Xbox like other gaming divisions.

Corporate restructuring and relocating resources for strategic stability in ever changing markets and consumer behaviors.

Investor expectations and optimizing operations to maintain investor confidence. Whatever boosts stock prices and improves future margins.

And there’s many other factors at play. It’s never as simple as business doing well, everyone’s safe. That’s just you not understanding at all how corporations work and have been working since the beginning. This isn’t something that’s specific to Xbox, you can bet your ass Sony and Nintendo do this and if it’s not clear by now, game development is not a stable job nor has it ever been for many. A lot of developers are contractors and guess what happens when a project is done?

Ganif4d ago

Nintendo said they have no plans for layoffs, and you can't seriously claim that the scale of Sony's layoffs most of which involved Bungie which is self managed as even close to the same scale as what Microsoft has done since they purchased Zenimax. And that significantly less layoffs would have happened if those publishers had stayed independent. Keep in mind that much of these layoffs have been due to redundancies specifically related to these buyouts.

CrimsonWing694d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@Ganif

Nintendo:

https://gamerant.com/ninten...

Sony:

https://gamerant.com/playst...

https://techxplore.com/news...

I don’t think it’s realistic to treat Sony’s layoffs as somehow outside the norm for the industry right now. Even if Bungie is self-managed, Sony’s cuts went far beyond that like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, London Studio being shut down completely, and multiple teams across the globe took hits. These weren’t just minor adjustments.

Nintendo, I had to look up and you’re right. They seem to be an outlier, but rest assured at some point it happens. And even then there’s been layoffs, albeit a smaller amount and contractors.

Would fewer layoffs have happened if studios from acquisitions stayed independent? Maybe. But even independents have been hit hard and look at what’s happened with Embracer’s fallout, or smaller devs like Digic, Roll7, or Volition. This isn’t just a “Microsoft problem” or strictly tied to acquisitions; it’s a broader correction happening across the whole industry, and unfortunately, layoffs are a big part of that process right now.

Ganif4d ago

From your article:

"According to reports, Nintendo of America restructured its testing operations, leading to layoffs of about 120 contractors, part of a strategy for global integration.

Nintendo of America, publisher of iconic franchises like Mario and Zelda, is shifting some contractors to full-time roles for better development integration."

Contractors are not employees, and even if you want to count them as that, it's 120 people vs around 7500 since Microsoft purchased Zenimax.

In an era of game industry layoffs, Nintendo is hiring more people
https://automaton-media.com...

Nintendo Announces 10 Percent Pay Raise For Devs Despite Lower Profits
https://kotaku.com/nintendo...

Nintendo CEO’s refusal to layoff staff goes viral following industry-wide cuts
"Satoru Iwata took pay cuts to ensure staff didn’t have to be let go"
https://www.nme.com/news/ga...

And as for Sony you're comparing less than 1000 total jobs to an estimated7500

Has the industry faced layoffs, yes, but that still doesn't account for the mass layoffs due to redundancies that was easily predictable, or that fact that at least 1/3 of Microsoft's layoffs and studio closures happened before the industry downturn.

thorstein4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Take the L, Crimson.

People hate Nintendo, but Ganif proved why they deserve support.

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-Foxtrot4d ago

It's like banging your head off a wall, he just can't help himself.

Microsoft can do no wrong, Sony sucks at everything and Nintendo is bigged up because it's less hassle than trying to defend Microsoft all the time

What's going to happen when Microsoft finally turn completely third party, then what?

anast4d ago

I enjoy Obscure. Obscure does good work.

crazyCoconuts4d ago

Did you know that the first n4g was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

Tacoboto4d ago

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if anast and osbcure were both alts for the Admin.

We know how Obscure especially drums up additional comments and clicks with his spam-worthy remarks that somehow never get moderated

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Profchaos4d ago

Thats business present a strong front to your shareholders while your company burns around you.

Keep shareholders happy at all costs andnif not happy keep them numb to the reality of you organisation

Angyobangyo3d ago

" Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares. "

Just for the record, you clearly you do if you have to vent this hard.

TheExecutioner3d ago

Basically you think like kids when it come to choose between candy or chocolate.

Sonic18813d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Are you and Anast the same person?

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AMD CEO Shares Vision Behind Xbox Partnership and Next-Gen Chip Roadmap

AMD CEO Lisa Su talks about the Xbox AMD partnership, next-gen Ryzen + Radeon chips, and AI rendering tech coming to all Xbox devices.

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Obscure_Observer9d ago

AMD is really building hype around their unique partnership with Microsoft to help and build an advanced and seamless Xbox ecosystem across all Xbox consoles and devices.

I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimized chips" though? Seems ambitious.

Next year´s Xbox Showcase already looks promising and exciting. Here´s hoping they deliver.

InUrFoxHole8d ago

They had best show 3yrs in a row. Heading for another

VenomUK8d ago

Obscure_Observer said “I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimised chips" though? Seems ambitious.” To me, I interpret this to mean rather than having a couple of X/S products for launch and a handheld there is a longer term plan to release new products with higher specs at timed intervals. I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec.

Agent758d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games.

KwietStorm_BLM8d ago

It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever.

Ganif8d ago

Correct.

"Sony's PlayStation 6 reportedly will feature an AMD semi-custom APU with a Zen 5 CPU and UDNA GPU, capable of 4K 120FPS and 8K 60FPS gaming. The console will include X3D cache and advanced AI upscaling technology."

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Obscure_Observer8d ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever."

I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released.

Notellin8d ago

You should have just lead this comment with the fact that you have zero understanding of technology in the consoles and instead have a Toms Hardware online forum level of education.

Obscure_Observer5d ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever"

I´d told you were on some bs

https://www.pcgamesn.com/wp...

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Agent758d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games

Obscure_Observer8d ago

@VenomUK

"I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec."

Very interesting theory. Still not sure how MS would actually make it work.

KwietStorm_BLM8d ago

"I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released."

How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is.

Obscure_Observer7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

"How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is."

Dude, what I know for certain is that a tech as old as X3D chips which is actually *older* than both PS5 and Xbox Series consoles, is hardly the reason behind this new partnership between AMD and MS to build new *custom silicon* for next generation of consoles.

And yes it´s a huge announcement since AMD is working closely with MS to co-develop custom SoC which will allow backwards compatibility across all MS´s next gen devices allowing seamless integration between devices and full backwards compatibility across all generations of Xbox consoles.

I also know is that this announcement don´t have anything to do with Playstation and their strategy with AMD for the PS6, so stop comparing the two pretending that you know what´s going on, because you clearly don´t.

If Sony is working on something remotely similar, that´s remain to be seen.

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Fishy Fingers9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Some odd, deliberate wording, no branding, not 'Xbox consoles, Xbox handhelds' specifically, feels and sounds like they're building towards hardware that anyone can be used or licensed to/by themselves and other manufacturers.

Multiplatform software and hardware 'Xbox/AMD APU'.

Obscure_Observer9d ago

I guess you missed Sarah Bond´s next generation Xbox announcement this week, were she clearly states:

"I´m thrilled to share that we´ve established a strategic multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including, *our* next generation *Xbox consoles*."

But hey, I don´t think you´re entirely wrong, maybe MS will build their own Xbox consoles while licencing other manufactures to build and sell their own Xbox branded consoles. Who knows

BeHunted8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

I think you watched the wrong video. It's below the description, or you can watch it directly on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/kprpRvsOua...

HyperMoused9d ago

Shares vision....we provide chips for money, this deal will sell many chips, we will make lots of money...good vision

Christopher9d ago

The marketing behind this is so heavy that I worry about the actual outcome. Why are they just not showing us the product, why all this talking in market speak?

Lightning778d ago

Probably because the next xbox isn't ready to release yet?

The marketing and rumors seem to be heavy out of no where. The rumor was a 27 release but it maybe it could be 26 new console launch instead.

Who knows.

Eonjay8d ago

There PR is alrways super heavy handed. No one is acutally buying an Xbox as is.
Also it is very early to be talking so much about a next gen console.

Obscure_Observer8d ago

There´s a lot of people interested on Xbox Next and its ability to run games from major stores like Steam.

We know that the PS6 is just around the corner as well, but so far, no news on what it might improve over the PS5 or PS5 Pro.

However, Sony already made public that their priority and actual focus is the PS6. So its not "very early" to talk about next gen when the very console manufactures are talking about it.

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