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4D Graphics: A Reality Only For PlayStation 3

We all know what 3D graphics are - length, width & depth, but how many know what 4D graphics are?

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360? this is obviously flamebait
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Lame
and old. progression of time is possible with shaders a long time ago, go and check Geforce FX demos that came out in 2003
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thereapersson6517d ago (Edited 6517d ago )

inb4obliviondoesthis

Also, while I believe that this whole "4D" thing is a tangible concept, I still that that Sony shouldn't have blurted it around so much when it's going to be at least 2 years before we start seeing games that take full advantage of stuff like this.

LOFT3166517d ago

you its gonna be a while before we see these kind of capabillaties in full action but some of the games that or out now and some that are due in the near future are touching on this damm these games are gonna be lookin better and better

solidt126517d ago

Yeah it will be in a few years when the PS3 starts using all the SPE processors on the Cell processor.

radzy6517d ago

i thought they sacked kutaragi ?

monkey6026517d ago (Edited 6517d ago )

and radzy fanboys in general kill me. you are the same as your own worst enemy just working for the other camp

EDIT: thanks virus ;)

closedxxx6517d ago

Two years is being optimistic.
I don't imagine developers putting a lot of stock in this technology.
Although it is impressive as a concept, it doesn't have much practical application for the majority of todays games.
How long would you actually spend in one area in todays games?
Even in Oblivion, you weren't in the environment long enough for there to be any noticeable change to the environment, and even if there was a slight change, that is hardly the focus of the game.
Static environments are fine.
We live in day to day rooms that undergo very little change over weeks, months and years.
This "4D" graphics claim is just another bullet point to sell hardware.

This technology is not practical, or worth the time required to implement it.
I can't think of one developer that would want to spend the time to integrate "4d" graphics into a game instead of working on the function aspects of the game.

It just seems excessive

VirusE6517d ago

Well put monkey602! Bubbles for you

The KEN KUTARAGI6517d ago

I got canned a few months back :(

I mean........ I quit- er... ummm... RETIRED !! :)

Mu5afir6517d ago

This is perfect for various aspects of games.. an obvious use for this technology would go to RPGs. But even sport games etc.. can use them. Remember games like "NBA Bollars" etc.. now imagine playing that game, but you start out as a young kid, and grow old over time etc..

How anyone can ignore using TIME as a factor in gaming is beyond me.

larry0076517d ago

this is why UT3 x360 version is delayed.

The programmers were saying that they would have to massive downgrade the game to make it run on low powered x360.

console war is finished.

I feel bad for x360 owners who might have to dump their consoles in garbage bin STARTING SEPTEMBER

eLiNeS6516d ago

It's the only place you will go back to see your nice new living place look like a SH!T hole in a matter of days. It will turn in to a great place to show off your dusty trophies.

rareairtone6516d ago

Isn't that what the message at the end of the first video was saying?

ALI-G6516d ago

first it will be relased 1 year afteer 360 version @5fps @480i

just give me game to play even if it at 2D

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Odion6517d ago

uggg PSU just showed how stupid they are, 4D is not the progression of time, its the perception of it. To see 4D would be like looking right and being able to see everything thats going to happen in the future for what you can see as a constant stream. And looking left you'll see the past for that area as a constant stream.

This mearly simulates the progression of time.

THC CELL6517d ago

odion stop talking bollox man

psu has just showed u what 4d is

Odion6517d ago

sigh just to make you look like a moron

http://www.tenthdimension.c...

just watch up to 4D part. 4D is not something the human eye can see, the progression of time is not 4D if it were then we could say every show and movie that does that is doing 4D

cloud3606517d ago

well this 4d is a type of programming. only possible on ps3.

the 4d u showed was somonesleases opinion. it didnt exist.
and science is a lie

Systematrix6517d ago (Edited 6517d ago )

The human brain can't comprehend 4 spacial dimensions. Time is the 4th dimension but it's temporal, not spacial. Another "gimmick" to fool the ignorant.
Edit: Good link btw Odion.

Armyless6517d ago

The first 3 dimensions are simulated as well... I don't recall anyone bragging about giant floating holograms in their living rooms.

Systematrix6517d ago

I guess the people that disagreed with my comment actually think you can simulate or visualize 4 spacial dimensions? Our world is doomed.

VirusE6517d ago

Odion everything you are saying is correct but I think that the average iq and age in this thread is to low for the majority to comprehend it.

4d is a marketing gimmick nothing more.

DeadIIIRed6517d ago

Of course you can't see time, that was never the point of this article. The point is that you will be able to see the realistic effects of time. "It merely simulates time" uh....duh?! Everything in a video game is simulated if you break it down like you do. The point is to simulate time to make it look as realistic to a 3 dimensional world as possible. If you accept that current games are 3 dimensional then please spare us your bs and accept that a simulated 4th dimension is acceptable.

VirusE6517d ago

DeadIIIred I think you are missing the point that it isn’t a proper simulation and shouldn't be called 4d. I am not saying it isn't a viable and cool piece of tech but it isn’t really 4d and that is what odions point is. It’s just a cool marketing name. 3d games simulate the 3rd dimension 4d games are not simulating the 4th dimension as it can’t be simulated even with a real super computer like earth simulator.

tfur6517d ago

2 things... 4D objects, and procedural textures...

4D objects...
http://dogfeathers.com/java...

hypercube... screen saver on linux systems for a while... 4D vector data, projected on a 2D plane(monitor/tv)...

4D rendering...
The whole idea, is that you have textures in 3D space... if procedural, you can translate these attributes in time...

Go download POVray, a free raytracer, now apply a stone texture to a metaball or something... then translate one of the stone attributes (turbulence and scale) in time...

The Cell SPE's are just really good at this... this is where plain texture maps fail... procedural is the holy grail, since it has infinite scale or translation... Just like nurbs and implicit surfaces have infinite scale... Pixar Renderman uses procedural textures...

beavis4play6516d ago

i'd love to hear you explain your theory of 4D as indepth as the article explained what it really means.seriously, i want you to scientifically explain the "look to the left and see the past and look to the right and see the future definition of 4D"

sloth4urluv6516d ago

Thanks God VirusE has a brain. This isnt 4D, and you dont need procedural textures to mimmick what they are doing.

I can make that kind of effect on a way older engine by using a new texture, a dirty old texture and using some sort of animated alpha channel via vertex or alpha map texture.

Wii60_FTW6516d ago

4D = Time = Fony's latest Gimmick for their blind 2D ant slaves. Enjoy! ;)

Armyless6516d ago

I'll wait for you to look it up.

Still waiting.

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BIadestarX6517d ago

"Now, let’s fix a common misconception. These 4D renders can be processed on the Xbox 360 with an average mean time of 10-12 seconds. Yes. The renders are possible, but the dynamic realization of procedural texture streaming is not. The dynamic renders with characters in the scene, with progression of life through the time continuum, are not possible with the 360 system. It would take days to produce dynamic renders on the 360 in the fullest definition of 4D graphics." another article made by Sony fanboys in order to brain-wash even further their lemmings.

So, go on.... Sony fanboys click the link... And jump into the world of 4D graphics that only the PS3 can offer...

Sony has the authority of changing what 4D actually means. They did forgot to mention that developers will not bother using 5% of these capabilities (assuming it's true) since it would cost them cost them millions in development. but hey... it's good to know. This remind me when the PS2 came out... many of these articles fload the internet... and lots of tech demos. too mad none of them actually were implemented in games.

A Man6517d ago

Your head is stuck so far up Microshafts arse. Jesus talk about scared.

MarioFromTexas6517d ago

You say it doesnt serve a purpose for games. Example you shoot a car and it catches on fire. Would you like to see the same car with orange flames all over it or would you like to see the car Disintegrate in real time in front of you. 4D is basically those special affects come to life not just smoke and little of particle affects. Bullets holes, explosions, hair affects, facial expressions, clothes dynamics. It's all caculated and control by time. It's probably not going to be in every game but AAA are going to be using it. I want better physics, animation, interaction with your surroundings and most of all a beleavable world caculated by time

sloth4urluv6516d ago (Edited 6516d ago )

Mario you do understand that this 4D graphics is only the texture animating, cars wont disintegrate and chunks wont break off of walls when you shoot them because the textures are animated....

you assume that everyone that disagrees with you is an xbot, and in typical fanboy fashion make bogus claims armed with your vast knowledge of system architecture, enormous programming skills, and unmatched game designing talent.

either that or you looked at some pictures and half read an article and assume you know what your talking about.

Keep in mind some poeople are pc gamers, some are nintendo fans, others are just skepticle on buying a PS3, they are not xbots, and are not paid by microsoft to state their opinion, or point it out if someon is full of it.

Wii60_FTW6516d ago

Just reading these sony fanboy responses truly makes me sad for the future sake of humanity. Are we already in Mike Judge's Idiocracy? I think so. Wake up, morons. 4D is a marketing gimmick designed to trick the lowest IQ apes on the planet...YOU! LOL. monkeys.

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thereapersson6517d ago

But this whole "4D, 1080p blah blah blah" BS really gets on my nerves. Just release the damn games and STFU so gamers can experience all the things you talk about!

Lord Anubis6517d ago (Edited 6517d ago )

4D textures is only one of two things that will be in future games. IF you go to their website you'll learn a lot about 4D and there's a game that will take advantage of their middleware.
http://www.profxengine.com/...

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2025 Cloud Gaming Trends: Growth, Challenges, and the Push Toward B2B

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As someone who has been gaming nearly as long as gaming has been around (since the early 70's), you'd think I'd be against this. Having grown up with all the major platforms and the whole notion of physical ownership... but I'm not. i embrace this as it is a revolutionary convenience. And one i know for a fact many (especially here) have not even given the fair chance to use. I get it... i was there too. But now i have a new outlook on it. It really is a hell of an option if you just want to play with no commitments. By no means am i saying this should replace traditional gaming, its an option. And one that people should look at optimistically as a way to compliment traditional gaming. There is room for both to thrive.

Zerobalance6h ago

I tend to use streaming on new games in GamePass. To see if I like the game. If I do, I'll download it for a better experience. It's so convenient & useful.

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AMD CEO Shares Vision Behind Xbox Partnership and Next-Gen Chip Roadmap

AMD CEO Lisa Su talks about the Xbox AMD partnership, next-gen Ryzen + Radeon chips, and AI rendering tech coming to all Xbox devices.

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Obscure_Observer7d ago

AMD is really building hype around their unique partnership with Microsoft to help and build an advanced and seamless Xbox ecosystem across all Xbox consoles and devices.

I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimized chips" though? Seems ambitious.

Next year´s Xbox Showcase already looks promising and exciting. Here´s hoping they deliver.

InUrFoxHole7d ago

They had best show 3yrs in a row. Heading for another

VenomUK7d ago

Obscure_Observer said “I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimised chips" though? Seems ambitious.” To me, I interpret this to mean rather than having a couple of X/S products for launch and a handheld there is a longer term plan to release new products with higher specs at timed intervals. I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec.

Agent756d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games.

KwietStorm_BLM7d ago

It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever.

Ganif7d ago

Correct.

"Sony's PlayStation 6 reportedly will feature an AMD semi-custom APU with a Zen 5 CPU and UDNA GPU, capable of 4K 120FPS and 8K 60FPS gaming. The console will include X3D cache and advanced AI upscaling technology."

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Obscure_Observer6d ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever."

I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released.

Notellin6d ago

You should have just lead this comment with the fact that you have zero understanding of technology in the consoles and instead have a Toms Hardware online forum level of education.

Obscure_Observer4d ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever"

I´d told you were on some bs

https://www.pcgamesn.com/wp...

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Agent756d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games

Obscure_Observer6d ago

@VenomUK

"I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec."

Very interesting theory. Still not sure how MS would actually make it work.

KwietStorm_BLM6d ago

"I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released."

How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is.

Obscure_Observer5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

"How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is."

Dude, what I know for certain is that a tech as old as X3D chips which is actually *older* than both PS5 and Xbox Series consoles, is hardly the reason behind this new partnership between AMD and MS to build new *custom silicon* for next generation of consoles.

And yes it´s a huge announcement since AMD is working closely with MS to co-develop custom SoC which will allow backwards compatibility across all MS´s next gen devices allowing seamless integration between devices and full backwards compatibility across all generations of Xbox consoles.

I also know is that this announcement don´t have anything to do with Playstation and their strategy with AMD for the PS6, so stop comparing the two pretending that you know what´s going on, because you clearly don´t.

If Sony is working on something remotely similar, that´s remain to be seen.

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Fishy Fingers7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Some odd, deliberate wording, no branding, not 'Xbox consoles, Xbox handhelds' specifically, feels and sounds like they're building towards hardware that anyone can be used or licensed to/by themselves and other manufacturers.

Multiplatform software and hardware 'Xbox/AMD APU'.

Obscure_Observer7d ago

I guess you missed Sarah Bond´s next generation Xbox announcement this week, were she clearly states:

"I´m thrilled to share that we´ve established a strategic multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including, *our* next generation *Xbox consoles*."

But hey, I don´t think you´re entirely wrong, maybe MS will build their own Xbox consoles while licencing other manufactures to build and sell their own Xbox branded consoles. Who knows

BeHunted7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

I think you watched the wrong video. It's below the description, or you can watch it directly on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/kprpRvsOua...

HyperMoused7d ago

Shares vision....we provide chips for money, this deal will sell many chips, we will make lots of money...good vision

Christopher7d ago

The marketing behind this is so heavy that I worry about the actual outcome. Why are they just not showing us the product, why all this talking in market speak?

Lightning777d ago

Probably because the next xbox isn't ready to release yet?

The marketing and rumors seem to be heavy out of no where. The rumor was a 27 release but it maybe it could be 26 new console launch instead.

Who knows.

Eonjay7d ago

There PR is alrways super heavy handed. No one is acutally buying an Xbox as is.
Also it is very early to be talking so much about a next gen console.

Obscure_Observer6d ago

There´s a lot of people interested on Xbox Next and its ability to run games from major stores like Steam.

We know that the PS6 is just around the corner as well, but so far, no news on what it might improve over the PS5 or PS5 Pro.

However, Sony already made public that their priority and actual focus is the PS6. So its not "very early" to talk about next gen when the very console manufactures are talking about it.

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