Why The Move Will Succeed and Kinect Will Not

Beyond The D-Pad writes "The PlayStation Move has officially been released and with that the next step in motion controlled gaming has been unleashed. It’s a new war between two giant hardware manufactures that may have already been won by a third manufacturer many years ago.

Whether or not a victory has already been won with the release of the PlayStation Move and the upcoming release of Kinect Microsoft and Sony are directly competing with each other for a slice of that Nintendo success. Here is why I believe the PlayStation Move will succeed and Kinect will not."

[Hank Hill]

The author makes good points.

EDIT: Care to explain the disagree? Anyone? I didn't think so.

[MrMccormo]

Well, let's also consider that Move is available in stores right now. Kinect is not. Those added sales, as well as added customer awareness, are really going to help with overall sales. Gamestops have a playable Move booth, as well as an interactive Move video display. You think customers aren't going to notice that?

[perfectCarbonara]

It just dawned to me that you can't really set up Kinect booths in stores since there's always people moving in the background to distract the camera and a lot of people won't be wearing proper clothing.

If MS does decide to set up lots of booths in stores people will see through the smoke and mirrors in a second and get Move instead.

MS did not think this one through IMO.

[Longrod_Von_Hugendon]

Well when Kinect does finally debut and they put up a booth right next to Sony's, which of the two do you think hardcore gamers will be more inclined to use? The one where you can play KZ3 3D, GT5 3D, SOCOM, MAG, Heavy Rain, RE5, Sorcery.

OR the one where almost all of the games for it runs on rails.

It has nothing to do with dates/times and everything to do with hardware and the technology behind it but most importantly the games.

Nice try Mr.Mccormo, nice try.

[mugoldeneagle03]

That kind of sounds like the 360/PS3 console launch. Do 360 owners see it like that?

It doesn't matter who launches first and who doesn't. That's part of the strategy. Yes Move came out first but that doesn't mean it will automatically win. If there's anything Microsoft can do right its Market & Hype.

I have the Move, love it, and expect it to stick around maybe even into PS4. But I still expect Kinect sales to go off this holiday

[-Alpha]

I'm one of the people that think that Kinect will sell on MS's advertising and the casual interest.

I would have went on to say that it looks like a good casual product for the casuals, but I just can't see casuals putting up with it's strict requirements.

If you read the Kinect manual one of the troubleshooting solutions include you changing the color of your clothes or cleaning your floor. The product is way too anal. I totally understand that full body motion may require such tasks but it's not something MS has thought through and it shows. Public demonstration becomes a burden and we are left with closed demonstrations, smoke and mirror presentations, etc.

They honestly should have gone the route Sony did but then they end up looking too similar. On one hand I'm glad MS pushed in a different direction but it's not exactly the best alternate direction.

If these companies are trying to push the next big thing then MS isn't doing it. And with 3D support Sony is doing really well pushing new ways to play into mainstream gaming.

I honestly think MS should have continued pushing Online gaming. XBL was such a phenomenal service at the launch of this generation and OnLive pushed some great things (brag clips, etc). MS really needs to bring XBL up to speed in terms of cost and differentiating themselves from competing online competitors. Instead, we are stuck seeing XBL accommodate Kinect.

MS has some serious catching up to do IMO.

[Philoctetes]

I agree that Kinect is going to sell. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it outsold Move. But that's irrelevant because I don't own stock in either company. All I want is to be able to play good core games, and by that standard Kinect is a complete failure while Move has some potential. I don't care about sales.

[Armyntt]

Havent played a with a Kinect yet and neither has most people. The article is throwin gasoline on a fire dont even click. As for what kinect does sounds fine, for party games and games you just wanna play with family. If i wanna go the hardcore route i still can. But even if the Kinect doesnt work with hardcore games thats fine too i real controllers for that. Its just like with Move, you can play KZ2 with it but will you 99% of the time. You might for a change a pace but you probably wont be doing more often than not.

[dead_eye]

@ Alpha-Male22

childish giggle hehe "anal"

sorry i couldn't help myself. but good point.

[ocnkng]

Wrong. Move is going to make a huge difference to Shooters. Consider this fact: I am a left handed person but I had to adjust to using right thumb stick to shoot using the dualshock. With move at last I can use my aiming hand to do what it was always supposed to do.
Move, when implemented correctly is almost as effective as mouse and keyboard for FPS, if not better.
Sure there are some issues in the early games (regarding free aiming) but those are just the developers figuring out the best configuration to go for. Also there will always be a learning curve for dualshockers to get used to move controls, but do you think that will last?
I am getting Mag today to play with my Move. I don't care if I die a lot, I want to get better at this coz this is the future of multi-player FPS

[jden28]

The author doesn't provide any numbers and forgets that there are more kinect pre-orders than there are Move's sold. Not to mention that M$oft has said 1000 times that the original wave of games are "DESIGNED" to attract a "LARGER CASUAL" audience. Anybody posting on this site is not a casual player so the games shown at TGS are part of the second wave and are more geared towards us hardcore. Look bottom line, if you have a girlfriend and you've ever tried to get her to play games and she's said what botton do I push kinect is for you . I showed it to mine and she can't wait. The casual market is simply bigger than the hardcore and kinect will sell better to people that don't want to be bothered with figuring out what botton to push and there are more of them than there are of us. So rather we like it or agree with it a system having more pre-sales than your system has sold tells us who will sell better.

[gta_manic]

Stop the fail, your embarrassing yourself

[Longrod_Von_Hugendon]

So show me credible industry back data that shows Kinect pre-orders numbers. I'm not saying if they do or not I'm just asking for some concrete proof is all.

[boodybandit]

Okay Longrod_Von_Hugendon, it's a dirty job but I will get those figures for you.

*puts on latex gloves, grabs KY jelly, reaches up jden28s ass, POP*

There yah go!

*goes to wash hands and vomit*

[ocnkng]

In the beginning the author mentions that he is not judging the failure or success from a sales perspective.

[jden28]

I read the article and many responses.
My point in the whole matter is that Move will do great with hardcore audiences as evidenced bye it being the preffered platform to many of us who blog. We who are on this site represent the hardecore not the casual and I think thats where the kinect will do well with casuals like my girlfriend. But to those of you looking for what i mentioned about pre-orders I read it on this site so just as you on any given day read about all the possible shortages for kinect do to limited stock and high pre-orders.

[Dread]

As I see it Sony is trying to attract the hardcore with move. MS is trying to attract the casual. They are different things, with different strategies. We can fight about which one is best, but it is irrelevant they are simply different experiences.. If you want to play hardcore games and like motion controllers go for the move, if u just want to have some fun with friends, and not get too involved, then get kenect.

At the end neither of them will attract me :)

I think they will both make some money, but I simply do not think that either of them will replace the traditional controller. At least i hope not (fingers crossed)

[lowcarb]

I disagree because Kinect isn't even out yet to see how the games made for it respond to motion. He says Sony takes it more serious but anybody that keeps up with news can see that MS is taking Kinect way more serious with exclusives and advertising. It makes absolutely no sense at all to be cheering on Move as if it's some type of game changer. Played a few days ago and will tell you the so called exclusives for it were boring and left me underwhelmed.

"Is it units sold? Is it attachment percent? Or maybe its related software sales? "

Here he cherry picks what he thinks will win this for Sony. "In the context of this article my definition of success is none of the above but instead will be which device I think will provide a superior gaming experience." Like I said before right now other than precision talk going around there is no superior gaming experience especially if I can just pick up a controller a play those games the way they were meant to be played and better. What will win this is developer support and original experiences not add-ons to existing games. Sure you have Sorcery but other than that one game Move has a long road ahead (kinect as well) to prove itself. If anything Kinect hype will help Move because consumers will confuse the two. The games will do the talking and in a year or two we will see who offers the best experience. This is my opinion just like the authors.

"It just dawned to me that you can't really set up Kinect booths in stores since there's always people moving in the background to distract the camera and a lot of people won't be wearing proper clothing.

If MS does decide to set up lots of booths in stores people will see through the smoke and mirrors in a second and get Move instead.

MS did not think this one through IMO."

They can make a booth that blocks out people walking walking behind the camera duh.

"The one where you can play KZ3 3D, GT5 3D, SOCOM, MAG, Heavy Rain, RE5, Sorcery."

Those can all be played with a normal controller. Where are the Move exclusives? Oh that's right they already have a booth and those games are boring. Sony can show as many games as they want but i doubt they would ever make games that only support Move.

edit alpha: But wouldn't it be fair to at least give MS a chance to put Kinect on the market and see just how well it performs? As far as catching up I think there progressing just fine minus the absurd price hike.

edit"I agree that Kinect is going to sell. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it outsold Move. But that's irrelevant because I don't own stock in either company."

Your console is your investment so if it sells well then games will come which will make your investment well spent. Sure you don't make any money out of it like stocks but you can lose money if you never use it.

[BrianG]

I agree with what your saying about the games. You can't say one is going to fail just because the games don't interest you.

But after reading your comment, your saying the same thing, Move doesn't interest you cause the exclusive games for it are boring. So your doing the same thing the article is doing when talking about the games.

Also, the games that support Move, like KZ3, MAG, etc. They are icing on the cake. They are extra, bonuses, options, for playing the games. Most of them being free mind you. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean everybody will not appreciate the options they will get with those games.

As a gamer I love options. Granted I might play KZ3 with a controller most of the time, but if I get Move I'll appreciate the fact that I have a choice to play it differently.

We all have opinions, which is why I didn't disagree with you, but just realize that these are all opinions.

[lowcarb]

Your right I'm doing the same thing but also saying it's my opinion. Also to make it clear I have not tried existing Move games and was talking about the games I played at the booth. Sure there is great potential with move and I like the idea better than Kinect being honest. I'm just saying let's at least wait for it to come out and see if it delivers and see if Sony takes the exclusive titles more serious.

[fooltheman]

the problems is that even though sport champions does look generic it's a damn good and challenging game..
Indeed challenging...

Maybe kinect games have more the looks, but in no way they can provide such satisfying and complex experience like table tennis in Move...

[ocnkng]

kZ3, MAG, Heavry Rain, SOCOM are actually worse coz they support both DS3 and the Move? So it would have been better if it only worked with the move? How retarded is that..
Also what do you mean by this phrase 'Games having original Move experiences' what sort of games are those? A few come to mind: Tumble, Echochrome, Eyepet etc.
Bottom line 'games made for the move from ground up' will always be there, however they will not necessarily make you want to play them as opposed to hard core titles. (assuming u r a hardcore gamer) because games meant only for motion controllers are mostly casual titles.
And when it comes to hard core games, they will invariably have to be supported by controllers also. Two reasons:
A) hard core games need buttons
B) Not all of the community possess Move accessory.

In the end the best thing about Move is its ability to support casual as well as hard core games.

[lowcarb]

Your assuming that just because Sony could not make hard core games using Eyetoy that Kinect is bound to follow in it's foot steps. Lets first stop assuming Kinect is Eyetoy and then let's wait to see what developers come up with before claiming buttons are needed for all hardcore experiences. You sound very easily fooled into believing everything Sony tells you. MS has already stated that some games will use the controller but Kinect is not out yet and MS has also stated core games will follow. What's so hard to understand about that? Why are you and your type so stuck on Sony and what they say about the competiton (buttons)? Those games you mentioned are not built from the ground up for Move which is the problem. If you wait like the rest of us instead of pretending that you know everything about Kinect things will be fine. I never once said Move sucks but I do admit my experience with it was boring. You talk it up but as of right now and until I try Kinect Move just doesn't catch me as wow yet. Once exclusives come (something you don't seem to understand the importance of) I would love to try Move again just to see how much better or worst then Kinect it is. It's my opinion deal with it and stop having a fit because it's different then yours. Spin is not always necessary.

[gta2800]

In other words.

Move=Real gaming experience
Natal=Mini games/Quick time events

[tacosRcool]

Agreed with your agreement

[ArchangelMike]

"... which device I think will provide a superior gaming experience."

My sentiments exactly, and I think it is obvious which peripheral offers a better and enhanced gaming experience, without dumbing it down just to cater to casual gamers!

[M4ndat0ry_1nstall]

"In order to declare a winner we must first define what success is. Is it units sold? Is it attachment percent? Or maybe its related software sales? In the context of this article my definition of success is none of the above but instead will be which device I think will provide a superior gaming experience."

I respect the authors opinion. Because that's all it is.

[GameTavern]

The problem with that is...
You can't declare a winner on which provides personal satisfaction until both of them are out. You can get a general idea, but until Kinect is something in your home, your opinion may change for the better or worse.

So this article is too pre-emptive.

[divideby0]

what a waste of a click

approvers have to step up and stop approving blogs and just some kid with an opinion based upon nothing but his feelings and access to the net

[Pennywise]

Blogs belong in the comment section. This is not news. This site is just a gateway to clicks through flamebait headlines.

[Dread]

agree

[boodybandit]

90+% of what is posted on N4G falls under that catergory.
This place has turned into blogosphere hell. The worst part is those that write, submit, approve and come here and drive up the heat by commenting under their very own articles.

Ahhh.... I'm done whining now, but ig I'm being honest, I do feel better. ;)
I'm gonna go have some cheese.

[live2play]

move will win on the software quality
kinect will win on software and hardware sold
move will win the hardcore
kinect will win the casual and the diehard buy-anything-microsoft-related fanboy

[timmyrulz]

This is not news, this is propaganda flaim bait fodder for those who seek to justify their purchase of a particlar brand and to futher enhance their already unjustified but inflated ego

Just go away, i want news

[live2play]

you gotta admit
all this flamebait is what make this site exciting
we defend our choice we ward off fanboys we argue we get mad
we LOVE to HATE n4g

[ReBurn]

This should have been submitted as an opinion piece. Not that this piece of information will make a bit of difference in the flamewar to come.

[actual_gamer]

Usually start with a headline like Can/Will/Why/Is/What something something going to fail?

[jneul]

but but but natal is teh future / sarcasm

[ocnkng]

Lol.good one, btw I saw u in Vgchartz too. n4g rocks though!

[blackburn5]

I believe we can't judge success or failure yet. Sales or preorders mean nothing at the moment. What people don't factor for is returns. Even if one out sells the other what is the point if it is returned after Christmas or even before that. People go on an on about sales and outselling but what comes down to is staying power. Who says either Move or Kinect will last beyond their release times? Some might think the Move doesn't have enough games coming fast enough and some might think all of Kinect's games are shovelware or not worth waiting for.Everyone acts like once I take it from the store I can't as easily take it back. What's the point of selling millions if most people are disappointed and get rid of it. My advice, save the failure predictions and gloating until after Christmas when we see who is still in everyones homes. But in my own personal opinion though most people who play Kinect are breathless,tired and sweaty when they are done playing. I want to see how long average people can keep that up.