Can Sony and Microsoft Replicate Wii's Success?

Given the success Nintendo has had with the revolutionary controller for the Wii, it was really only a matter of time before Microsoft and Sony followed the same path.

[kratos17]

i hate to say this but i hope sony and microsoft crush nintendo (i wont hold my breath)

nintendo have done absolutely nothing with all the money they made this gen

atleast sony and MS try there absolute best trying to beat out each other and giving us gamers cutting edge games every year

while nintendo just lay their fat heads on rehashed games and party games. i want to see new innovative IP from nintendo

oh and please give us a choice to use the classic controller for gamers that hate motion controlls like myself

[Canucks23]

I hope move and kinect fail horribly, so that Sony and especially Microsoft can get back to what people bought their consoles for in the first place, more hardcore focused games.

[tunaks1]

"nintendo have done absolutely nothing with all the money they made this gen"
I know 2 3d mario games that are now the highest ranking games of all time means nothing.

"while nintendo just lay their fat heads on rehashed games and party games. i want to see new innovative IP from nintendo

oh and please give us a choice to use the classic controller for gamers that hate motion controlls like myself"
how in the hell do you have 4 bubbles, oh right im on N4G.

I don't think Microsoft and Sony will be able to be as successful with their motion addons, because they are only addons. Anyone remeber the Sega CD for the megadrive? I have a feeling the Kinect will out sell the Move because of a huge marketing push from MS, though I think Move is better then kinect. Sony will advertise the Move too close to the wii that casuals are not going to see any reason to drop a huge load of money to get a slightly more sensitive wiimote. Even with some hardcore backing for the move(the people who will camp outside to get one-if that even happens) there won't be a big enough install base for any long term 3rd party support. If they do succeed 3rd parties will litter the hell out of the 2 motion addons with endless amount of shovelware.

[kratos17]

i realise my comment was a little harsh towards nintendo but i want to see nintendo do something different instead of another mario game and my opinion shouldnt be taken seriously because after all this is a discussion website and not everyone will agree

[Nicolee]

Welcome to N4G !

[Poseidon]

The Move will replicate wii's success, think about it, hardcore/casual titles, great advertisement (coca cola cans) and a formula that works! :) i applaud sony for their realization that accuracy/casual/hardcore can all meld into a single great device.

[-Alpha]

You do not know that for fact.

Replicating the Wii's control with more advanced technology doesn't mean the success will also replicate.

We've yet to determine the appeal this will have on gaming, core gaming, casual audiences, hardcore audiences, the industry, etc. We simply have to wait and not get ahead of ourselves. Patience, my friend.

[Dragun619]

I dunno if it will be an Instant Success, maybe a success over time more like it, but if there is a demand for Wii HD then there should be a demand for PS Move.

A great idea for Sony would be to look at the hardcore games Indie Developers have made for the Wii, and see if they want to expand that idea with PS Move. That would be cool.

[Nicolee]

i got Wii and for me i dont really play it anymore so i don't think i would buy move or kinect for casual gaming,

i need to see more titles of both move and kinect really but so far i want to play Sorcery on move and nothing on kinect . i guess it all about titles that will come out .

[Kos-Mos]

Nintendo innovates, sony steals and microsoft tries to innovate.
HOW ON EARTH WILL THEY CRUSH Nintendo?

As long as you can produce games that constantly gain super-high ratings all over the world and people loving it, why change the formula?

You seem to be pissed off because Nintendo don`t make teen games like cod and gow and gta.
Nintendo creates good entertaining and gameplay-focused games for all ages to play.

Ps:
Seeing you have kratos as an avatar tells me that you can`t be older than 14 mentally as kratos is the greatest character ever created to turn teen boys on.
No offense to God of war as a game.

[Bigpappy]

The way M$ is exposing Kinect, I would say they have a very good chance of matching Wii numbers for the rest of this gen. The fitnect gaming alone will pull huge numbers. Then you have the kids factor, which is Nintendo's secret weapon against M$ and Sony. Kids are going to love Kinect. You can cry about it on N4G all you like. But Kids are a major consumer, especially around the Holidays.

[Poseidon]

the psmove is already a success when it comes to hardcore gamers, in the sense of a whole new ground breaking in the spectrum of their realities as gamers. i think the move will follow the wiis success.

[xxLuckyStrike]

a good shot... its a new refreshing way to play games...(no controller required) Move is too similar to a Wii remote just an upgrade. New consumers win not be able to differentiate the two. My money is on Kinect.. All the casuals that have a Wii will likely choose Kinect as it will offer a different type of gaming experience.

News Flash:

Microsoft is in a real sticky situation on exactly how much to charge for Kinect. Should the A. Be greedy and over price it as usual. or B. Charge very little and get kinect in as many homes now to set up the next gen install base.

[PandemicPrawn0]

If they are smart they will go with your second option.

I would expect Kinect to be priced lower than the $150 placeholder as I think they would have been listening to public opinion on that. I’m going to guess around $80 to $120 USD.

On topic: I would have to agree with Greeneagle, I think that the Move is going to sell well but mostly appeal to gamers who already own the PS3. I think Kinect has a better chance of cracking the mainstream casual audience, but it is going to depend on the price of the device and the software.

Casual Kinect games should really be priced at about $30 to $40.

[IRetrouk]

kinect isnt new or refreshing its an eytoy copy we have seen the games and they could all be done on eyetoy.

[xxLuckyStrike]

and I suppose you think Move is new and refreshing. At least give credit to Microsoft for going out on a limb as opposed to just copying the Wii.

Last I checked a 2d camera compared to a 3d camera isnt even close. Sure Kinect launch title games will seem similar to eyetoy. But eventually you will see games only Kinect can do.

Ya! ya! I know Sony thought of everything first right(sarcasm)!!! Kinect= eyetoy and the Wii= Move. Live= PSN.

Just rediculous!!!

[IRetrouk]

not at all i have my 360 right here with over 70000 gamerscore so dont try an paint me as a fanboy, at the end of the day from what i have seen of kinect it is nothing more than an eyetoy 1.5 why would i buy something that is 10 years old and alredy proven not to work that well? its laggy and the games are a joke, i dont remember mentioning move but since you brought it up, at least its been proven to work, it does what its supposed to, i wont bother listing the games that are coming out for it because then i would be really making a joke of kinect, get those goggles off and actually look at what micro is feeding you.
microsoft is hardly going out on a limb, didnt they do that when they released the 360?, you know the console that failed more than it worked, yip i have had 5 replaced, am still very sore about it but i still game on because i like the service, but to say kinect is groundbreaking or refreshing is total bull and you know it.

[frankymv]

I think it will be tough going for MS and Sony in the motion space.

[SeanRL]

What I don't like is that a lot of wii owners instantly think that the ps move is a copy of the wii-mote when they see it even though Sony has been working on motion controls for longer and the ps move is more accurate.

[dizzleK]

no. nintendo probably wont even be able to replicate the wiis success.

it's a shame that sony and ms are pissing away so much $ on something thats already old hat instead of trying to truly innovate. i don't care what move can do, it's still a wiimote. i don't care what kinect can do, it's still biting off the wii. if they want to truly innovate and bring in new customers, find ways off making your games cheaper without cutting production values. i think more potential gamers would dig something with the production values of gow3 at a lower price (like $30) than a "me too" controller and $60 simpleton games.

[Godmars290]

Offer a last generation console as the next generation of console that has a gimmick controller that actually doesn't work with all of its games yet has wide appeal to the general consumer base who have no real interest is those games yet are aware of the Nintendo name, then I'm going to have to say no.

But that's just me.

Though I will admit Microsoft has it half right with a controller that can't be used with all games. Is likely gimped in a number of other ways that its defenders have yet to realize much less admit.

[ChickeyCantor]

"Offer a last generation console as the next generation of console that has a gimmick controller that actually doesn't work with all of its games yet has wide appeal to the general consumer base who have no real interest is those games yet are aware of the Nintendo name, then I'm going to have to say no. "

O yeah that must be it...

[BasilMarceaux]

One word: Nope

Nintendo has the casual shovelware market beaten hands down, theyll never touch Nintendo in this generation.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

I hate myself for doing this.....I agree.

[TheAwesomessMan]

My 2 cents: No

Why: Because most likely people bought the Wii for one main reason it was cheap and the main controller was Motion Controller so they had no other reason to buy another Wii remote the same day they bought because that was the system's main controller.

The Second is because most people are not going to buy another Motion controller plus system if they already have one. Plus, to them, the difference between the two systems, in their eyes , is HD some are not going to buy another system because it has HD unless they are hardcore gamers of old.

[tiamat5]

I don't want anyone to crush anyone but I want the Move to succeed on it's own. I would prefer them not to replicate Nintendo's 'success'. Nintendo's 'success' drew the line dividing us into hardcore and casual which never existed, caused them to abandon what they once stood for,made everyone think that half @$$ed mediocre junk is as good as well thoughtout imaginative games and turned my once loved characters into nothing but empty icons. I don't even consider Mario or Link characters anymore. So yes I want Move to succeed. No I don't want them to follow Nintendo. The Wii will always be a cheap piece of junk no matter how many copies of SMG they sell. Now go ahead and disagree. I know you want to.

[Terarmzar]

I dont understand when people say the Move looks like the wii mote, they have some similarities in the button layouts, the Navigator does not have a cord that needs to be connected the the move, The navigator has a joy stick. In my eyes i see the Wii mote as just a Bland controller. If you say the Playstation Move controller looks like a Wii mote than thats pretty much saying The Xbox controller looks just like the Dualshock controller, not the exact same look but very identical button layouts.

[pippoppow]

Next gen is where the real motion battle begins. Sony and MS' offerings are meant to draw attention to them the rest of this gen to consumers as viable motion control gaming options. They will not and don't have to have the same success as the Wii in the motion control space. It's to gain a little piece of that motion conrol pie the rest of this gen but more importantly be a set up for next gen.

[Kos-Mos]

You know what will happen next gen?
Nintendo will again create a new and fresh console that sony and ms will have to copy later in that gen while they desperately tries to make motion-gaming the big thing.
Nintendo is smarter market-wise and will be a step forward again.

[EliteAssassin81]

It seems to me that kinect is trying to go completely after the casual crowd, and the Move is more interested in precise motion control to give options over what type of controller you use. I'm sure move will also have plenty exclusives that just work with it too.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

I do and did agree with much of what you profess.
Hoping it is and isn't replicated for similar reasons.

[HurstDarkStar]

nope

[xg-ei8ht]

Not sure about about kinect and only seen a couple of games from Move. Sorcery being the best so far.

But you could flip it either way.

Without motion control, Nintendo would have struggled big time this gen, Because they claimed a market most thought did not exist. And yes it was clever of them.

I have nothing against nintendo. I play the wii here and there and also the ds.

But i've never thought of nintendo has hardcore and don't ever think they could be in any shape or form.

Think of it like this.

Off the bat if i were to say to you, Nintendo. What would be the first thing to mind. (mario,Happy colourful graphics)?

Same question applies to Sony(Tombraider,Tekken,GT,Vari ed)?

And again to M$(Halo,gears)

But it still depends on what generation your from.

If Anyone stands a chance of Motion control working, It's SONY.

Because it works in many area's, and they have many studios working on Move games and will push the tech.

[Samus HD]

NEVER

[ChickeyCantor]

I wonder though,
Once Nintendo launches a new console, Sony would still be holding on to the Ps3. By that time the Ps3 must be really cheap and Move is a standard than(to the package).
Nintendo's new console will come at a full price...I wonder what Iwatas next step is.

[Guitardr85]

Nintendo hit people with the "new" factor with the Wii. Most everyone I know bought a Wii because they thought it was cool, then forgot they had it about a month or two later. Since that wow factor has surely faded, I think it will be hard for MS or Sony to really sell they motion controllers. I guess I am a little biased though, after working all day, doing errands, going out, exercise...when I play a game I just want to play through a good story, not through a ball between two balloon characters...

[tunaks1]

"Nintendo hit people with the "new" factor with the Wii. Most everyone I know bought a Wii because they thought it was cool, then forgot they had it about a month or two later."
wow blast from the past do people still troll with that?

[Guitardr85]

It's not trolling, its a personal observation. Literally EVERYONE I know who has a Wii stopped playing it after a few months and haven't brought it out of a closet or reconnected it, etc. since.

[Spenok]

Looking at Microsofts price point id say it would be hard for them. Sony has a better chance, albiet not much of a better chance.