Sony: Devs will help build the next PlayStation

One of the highest-ranking executives at Sony Computer Entertainment has revealed the company is hard at work on future platform developments.

But with former SCE president Ken Kutaragi now out of the picture, Sony is keen to turn to its first-party studios to help make future PlayStation consoles highly accessible for tomorrow’s game creators.

In an exclusive interview with Develop magazine, Sony Worldwide Studios (WWS) boss Shuhei Yoshida candidly explained how Sony has learnt from past mistakes and is now building tech that developers can get the most out of.

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But with former SCE president Ken Kutaragi now out of the picture, Sony is keen to turn to its first-party studios to help make future PlayStation consoles highly accessible for tomorrow’s game creators.

“When Ken Kutaragi moved on and Kaz Harai became the president of SCE, the first thing Kaz said was, ‘get World Wide Studios in on hardware development’,” Yoshida said.

“So he wanted developers in meetings at the very beginning of concepting new hardware, and he demanded SCE people talk to us [developers].”

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O_O

Whoa.........

Naughty Dog + Sony Santa Monica + Guerilla Games + Media Molecule + Zipper Interactive + Sony San Diego + other first party studios = PLAYSTATION 4?????????

Cool.

[MexicanAppleThief]

Whoa indeed.

[I_find_it_funny]

WIN

[Why o why]

'Bitter Lemons'

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[Rainstorm81]

La Chance, maybe you are the one that needs to "let it go"

Just saying, the only FAIL i see is your comment.

ON topic:

This maybe one of the smartest things sony has done recently, they are known for making consoles that arent really developer friendly, You get some of the best devs in the business with Sony's first party devs........PS4 may equal the gaming juggernaut..

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[sikbeta]

@La Chance

What? Are You refering to Kin or Kinect? lol

The way you hate almost amaze me, but dude, you can do nothing, you need to deal with this, just let it go... let it go....

O-T

First Party Devs help Build the Next PlayStation = CELL2

[nveenio]

Honesly, I hope they just put in a more powerful CELL and GPU. When it comes to the devs, they should just help make the dev kit easier to use. And honestly, I think the devs that have really been trying to use the CELL are impressed enough by it that they aren't interested in going back to standard architecture. And the bottom line is this: Easy tools make easy development. Take iPhone for example. Its architecture is not like Windows, but its dev kit is AMAZINGLY simple.

SIMPLE DEV KIT = AMAZING GAMES

[raztad]

@conloles

I doubt it.

Every component in the next PS will be a lot cheaper to make. From BD to Cell 2 (or any variant of it). Still with titles like GT5, KZ3 and inFAMOUS 2 + BD + 3D I dont think we will be seeing any PS4 within the next 2-3 years.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

With inflation (which I'm sure will hit soon after recession recovers) it seems to be within reason to charge $600 for the next generation of consoles. Expect a $600 price tag on the high end units!

@raztad
Unfortunately, consoles have almost always had high tech electronics to outlast the cycle. The current components are cheaper, but new technology isn't. Console manufacturers will have the same issue, but they are likely to choose lower end components next time around as Sony has showed that high tech component at an exorbitant price can kill your sales pretty quick no matter where you were last generation!

[DarkSpawnClone]

PS4 Best console ever ? ..Confirm or deny
Wow,thats amazing*gamergasums*

[Legosz]

Now sony won't fuck it up like last time Dev's had no fucking clue how to make games for the PS3.

[JoySticksFTW]

Hopefully, Sony listens to the devs

But truthfully, Krazy Ken did an amazing job. He got a bad rap. Because of him, we keep getting amazing exclusives that continue to improve year after year

[zeeshan]

I hope it doesn't cost $600 cuz that is a lot of money though to be honest, even if it costs that much, I'd probably have it pre-ordered so I could get it day one.

[Perjoss]

this is a nice move, the games devs are really what makes the console what it is, after all a super console from the future is nothing really if people dont make great games for it.

[Vicodin]

Oh god. What a bunch of fanboy drivel from the clown who wrote that garbage article.

The PS3 is an almost exact replica of the most successful console in history, the PS2. It is exactly what every console developer dreamed of back in the early PS2 days.

The PS3 is in essence the exact same hardware design as the 140 million selling PS2. In other words, the console hardware that console developers have the most experience with and have spent the last decade working with.

A PS2 engine and PS3 engine are written in almost identical ways:

On the PS2 execution starts up on the EE.
On the PS3 execution starts up on the PPU.

Tasks are spawned off to the VUs on the PS2 - lighting, vertex transforms, animation, etc.

On the PS3 those tasks are spawned off to the SPUs.

Main game code runs on the EE on the PS2 while the VUs work in parallel.

On the PS3 it is the PPU and SPUs that are running parallel.

When the VUs have computed enough data to render, that data is fired off to the GS.

The same goes for the PS3, but from the SPUs to the RSX.

The split memory architecture makes it so the EE half of the PS2 can work full speed while the GS works on its own data.

The same goes for the PS3, the Cell side can work full speed on its data while the RSX is firing away without having to fight over the same memory/bus

In a good PS2 engine the EE, VUs, and GS are all cranking away in parallel.

In a good PS3 engine the PPU, SPUs, and RSX are all cranking away in parallel.

There isn't a single console developer who sat around wondering how to write a PS3 graphics engine. They were writing PS3 graphics engines in their minds all the way back in the PS2 days when we would imagine what a next gen PS2 would look like.

You would think the fanboys like the idiot who wrote this silly article would give their little fanboy meme a rest. They've been trying to spread it since the Dreamcast days.

Time for them to find some new material.

[El_Colombiano]

I love this post.

[Ace_Man_6]

wow, how nerdy =/

[Shaman]

Exactly.Sony always had special cpus and gpus that are more like rasterizers than full capable gpus.While on contrary MS always had fully capable gpus with cpus that serve purpose of only general code.

[Hotel_Moscow]

thats weird because if its exactly the same then why did developers not like developing for ps3 if its exactly the same

like they should of been used to it right

[TheBand1t]

Yea, and there were similar complaints at the start of the PS2's hardware life about what a pain in the ass it was to develop for.

[coldfoot]

The PS2 had EDRAM to help with transparencies and alleviate the bandwidth issue. Where's the EDRAM in PS3?

[PopEmUp]

I just witness a nerd :P

[raztad]

It's good to see devels putting some feedback in the next PS console but I totally would prefer to have Ken Kutaragi leading the way. Man is genius and made PS what is now.

[lightningsax]

In a way, I totally agree. He was great at what he did. However, the gaming market sure has grown since then, and organizations have flattened out and networked themselves more.

The more connected a company is to their many divisions and strategic partners these days, the better. The more Sony's hardware division is connected to their primary software creators, the better off they will be.

Sure, genius is still needed to create a great thing, but it may be more of a collaborative genius instead of just a Kutaragi-esque leader the next time around.

I'm sick of the top-down attitude that big companies had taken in the past- "We're making this, and if you want to make games for it, figure it out" doesn't work anymore. Games publishers want some say in how to do things hardware-wise, so they can create great products out of the gate instead of weak proto-games for the first year. PS2 became a console with a giant library, but remember the launch? Yeah. Let's just bust on out of the gate with some interesting stuff.

I'm psyched about the comments. It's a good sign that once-siloed Sony is opening up and becoming deeply networked. By the way, that's Kaz Hirai's job. He's in charge of networking all this stuff. So you could say he's behind it. http://www.sony.net/SonyInf...

[raztad]

Yet the next PS is a Sony product not some sort of collaborative and commonly owned console. If it fails will be Sony being fuked up. I do agree good feedback/ideas is always a good thing, but Sony will ultimately design the PS4 depending on which their long term plans are.

Raw power probably wont be a priority. The PS3 is a fairly powerful machine, that within limits provides a satisfying HD/3D experience. Even if PCs are way ahead in terms of higher fidelity and resolution. PS3 does a pretty good job on my 1080p TV. I guess the new PS4 will be about pushing something more than just better visuals.

[Vicodin]

"thats weird because if its exactly the same then why did developers not like developing for ps3 if its exactly the same "

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

My god! It is 2010 and people are still trying to spew that garbage?

Awww, the poor liddle PC developers like John Carmack at Id, Valve, and all the other PC game developers no one gives a damn about didn't wanna port their crappy little directx x86 based engines to the PS3.

Hilarious!

No wonder console developers despise Microsoft and the Xbox. Microsoft dumps a bunch of x86 parts in plastic box and tries to pass it off as a console and all of sudden every crappy Windows game developers thinks they are entitled to run their mouths off about console engine development.

"Yea, and there were similar complaints at the start of the PS2's hardware life about what a pain in the ass it was to develop for."

Shocking! You mean the same crappy x86/directx devs who are too stupid to handle anything other than desktop PC hardware cried about the PS2???

[spandexxking]

taking a crack at carmack is not cool man.
as well as id he started up his own aerospace company, the mans a fucking genius!

[Dude420]

My god, why all the disagrees on spandex? Vicodin insults a great PC developer who tries to learn how to work on the PS3 like the first party devs, but gets all the agrees. I smell Rage hatin' fanboys here.

[DeathMetal]

Ps3 cell is not even made anymore discontinued by IBM LOL Sorry but crappy Pc tech spanks what's in your PS3 That's why Pc's play in Hd and you don't

[Panthers]

PS4 = Already amazing. I cant freakin wait, but at the same time I know the PS3 has a lot of life left and I want it to shine some more before passing the torch.

[Spenok]

Im sure the PS3 will be around for plenty of time to come.

[vhero]

Through the entire article they talk about devs helping with hardware not specifically a new console this means they had a lot to do with MOVE most likely too. So support is gonna be great for MOVE. It also means if the invite 3rd partys in on this that's a LOT of support right from day 1.
EDIT in fact they did get them in on MOVE

"This studio-collaborative philosophy at Sony has remained in place ever since, and was a core pillar of the design ideology for Sony’s new motion controller, PlayStation Move."

[Raoh]

i wouldnt write off insomniac either just cause they went multiplatform not only do they still have a relationship with insomniac, insomniac is partly if not mainly responsible for most of the midware tools for the ps3 for third party developers.

[FFXI101]

all the studios you mention help out developing the next Playstation system and have their own designed skin. God of War, SOCOM, LBP, KZ, UC, MLB The Show or even the new IPs.

[cliffbo]

using devs to help with developing a new console is nothing new at sony.

they did it with the ps2 when they purchased "psygnosis" who they consulted on cpu,gpu,middlewate etc..

whatever they do with ps4 it will push the envelope technically and and will have the tools required to get the most out of it.

[Heisenberg]

This does, in theory, sound like a pretty smart move. My only real concern would be that instead of designing hardware that pushes developers to move forward and learn new ways to develop for the latest tech, they design something that's comfortable and convenient for the developers and sacrifice innovation to please them.

Not that that's what I think will happen, I realize these are top quality developers, but for instance with the PS3: it wasn't necessarily a popular choice to develop for at first because it was deemed difficult to develop for, but in reality, it just required developers to learn new techniques and get comfortable with the new hardware, and now developers are making some of the most amazing games for the PS3 because they were maybe pushed out of there comfort zone.

So while the developers feedback should most certainly be considered when building the PS4, I hope they still push the limits with the technology. Having the developers involved from the beginning could also mean they have a chance to learn about the tech and the best way to utilize it long before any games are announced, meaning we could have much higher quality launch games.

[dabri5]

Awesome. Hopefully that means easier to program for. Good relationships with the devs is only good.

[morkendo]

under 399 sony have a winner!!

[sid4gamerfreak]

hopefully the devs can make the ps4 run ALL of its game in full hd natively

[JayD-1K]

that was supposed to be an agree but, i think if Sony gives them a good set of dev tools to begin with, it could really help. especially the 3rd party devs.

[hakis86]

Actually I would want fullHD, 60FPS and 3D without any problems :P

[hakis86]

This is simply just a very good idea, and all I can say its that I'm looking forward to the PS4! :D

[Brewski007]

Good plan, its first party studios are already getting the best out of the ps3, so it makes perfect sense to get them to help design the architecture they're most comfortable with, allowing us to get the best games possible.

[jneul]

if it's left up to sony dev's no doubt after seeing how much of a beast the cell architecture is, they will bring back a newer more kick arse version of the cell lol xD??

[xYLeinen]

This is fucking genius.

I hope tho that a new cell processor will be in the PS4 seeing that the market now has matured using it.

[cjflora]

From what I've read they plan to use a variation of the current cell processor architecture. On a side note, the PSP2 is rumored to be using a 4-core version of the cell processor. Hells yea...

[Merivigian]

Seriously.

[THC CELL]

Real gamers care

[Count]

You're not a ''real gamer''.

[lightningsax]

We care because it's thoughts from a top exec in the gaming business talking about a networked vision for future hardware development. It's a step in the direction of creating the PS4.

We like to read news. For gamers. You know, like the title of this site. If you don't like what you see here, in the words of Extreme, get the funk out.

[Chromer]

This is exciting news and it makes me wonder just how the next generation of consoles will turn out.

[belal]

omega4 thats just stupid, you should now know that sony is king at first party studios. if anyone should take notes it should be microsoft.

[rulakir]

i would love a new sega console..

[Count]

I don't think that people have enough trust in SEGA for them to be able to pull another console anymore.

After the failed Saturn and Dreamcast.

[adamx]

I'd buy a new sega console over a new xbox anyday just for quality alone. My Genesis is still alive.

[Red-Dead-Roar]

i thought about getting a 360 in addition to my ps3 once, but then i realized that even the psp has more and better exclusives....

dreamcast II ftw!

[lightningsax]

I don't think a new Sega console would do exceedingly well in the market right now, but I sure would like one.

The console would at least give Sega a reason to make some really good games - the refined arcade/console hybrid games they were both working on (Panzer Dragoon Orta, JSRF, Gunvalkyrie) and supporting (Ikaruga, Radiant Silvergun, Power Stone) back when they were all about awesome games.

Then again, they could just do a face heel turn and make some motion control console... with Sonic minigames... I'm not feeling so good... *dashes for the restroom*

[Ri0tSquad]

We've seen what they did with PS3, so I could only imagine how much better it'll be when the creation of PS4 is aided by these top tier exclusive developers.

[nefertis]

awesome Sony

[get2sammyb]

This is a great move from Sony. It means they can concentrate on the kind of performance developers want from the future PlayStation, and they can nail the architecture pretty early on.

Great decision. Shows Sony really learning from their mistakes.

[Theonik]

Indeed. Both the PS2 and 3 suffered greatly by being developed as home computers and not game systems. Especially on the PS3's case developers were complaining about how hard it was to develop for and it cost studios a lot of money to get the right talent to work with it. Sony not being actively involved with helping 3rd parties certainly didn't help. Hopefully dev involvement on the PS4 means they can put all that behind them.
A good analogy for the PS3 is an autistic kid. bubbles for anyone that figures what that means.

[hardcorehippiez]

hmmm has a slow learning curve, needs more love and attention to nurture it, but if developed right can excel at whatever it chooses to do. not usually too intelligent with little or no common sense, but usually gifted in the arts and music. some similarities i guess .

[Theonik]

Pretty close. :P
Here's the promised bubbles.

[PotNoodle]

Sounds like a good idea.

Steve jobs said something rather relevant for the current situation once and that was:

"People who love software should make their own hardware" - those principles in personal computing are up for argument, but for consoles - it certainly is relevant and a very good move to make.

[creepjack]

Good God you people are incredibly STUPID!!!

Omega isn't referring to the talent of dev studios, he is talking about the fact that MS talked to various developers when making the 360, there for making it easier to develop for.

Grow up people. You make all other PS fans look really bad.

[DEATHSTROKE-cro-]

oh shut up you two

1. we all know Omega is idiotic troll

2. Patchstation 3,you got owned few posts above. and your nickname says it all -_-

[yippiechicken]

Some people take this stuff WAY too seriously. I really enjoy my PS3 and its games but I also really enjoy my 360 and Wii. They all have great games that I enjoy.

I almost feel embarassed for the some of the people when I read their posts. LIGHTEN UP!! (Yeah, I'm kinda looking at you Vicodin, among others). :)

Just enjoy your games.

[Consoldtobots]

I think what's funny is how you troll-clowns still think you have an ounce of credibility left on this site. That's why you get a ton of disagrees even when you use facts. That's called ruining your reputation. NOBODY takes anything "omega" or people like him have to say seriously. I don't see your status changing anytime soon.

[Hotel_Moscow]

imagine if sony had went with the original plan of 2 cell processors and no gpu with all spus working

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

I hope MS releases their next console first that way Sony can make adjustments on the PS4 to outperform the new Xbox by a huge margin.

[Tony-Red-Grave]

my guess is

1) the brand with the least exp would leave the market to avoid consumer confusion and a cause a crash.

2) there would be a spilt between the casual and core market with a whole new console wars.

in all i'm proud sony is listening to their first party devs to get the most out of hardware while making easy to dev for and no doubt if their next console uses blu-ray then it will have BC for ps3 games.

not to bas MS but if they have first party devs i've yet to see a AAA Title ehich rivals a ps3 AAA Title

[Xfanboy]

With the devs Knowing every inch of the hardware they will Max it out faster!!

I always love to see new generation of console games play on high settings without me even upgrading my Gpu for at least 2 more years!! PS4 will be $500... I'll be getting one!! Would like to know what MS is planning next...

If Ps4 or new Xbox supports above 1080p in 3D then im jumping ship completely Im not a fanboy of anything!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

lol I lost Bubbles for being neutral & not being a fanboy Lmao!! you 35 yo Fanboys make me lol!!!

But my biggest comsern will be games price PC games could go to $60 & console could be $65-$75!! Damn Future broke...

[DEATHSTROKE-cro-]

stop using drugs, kid -_-

[Ju]

^^ He's right.

Involving the devs is a two way street. First, they can "mold" the console (to some extend) to their requirements and second they will have a fundamental understanding how the machine will work when it will be released.

I would expect nothing less than the capability to render full 1080p in 3D with a smooth frame rate for the next generation(s). Current generation is too close that not putting some technological distance to it with the next iteration is suicide.

[J-Smith]

well they say the xbox360 is *easier to develop for* but just look at the games on it[the rare LoL xbox360 only games], they look nothing special do they compared to ps3 only games which look more next-gen to me

[Consoldtobots]

that's because the 360 GPU is actually vastly underpowered when it comes to pixel shading. That's why anyone that looks close can always see the lack of pixel resolution being whitewashed over by the built in scaler. We see it in all the gears games, frame clipping, washed out textures, poor lighting.
Not that the latter have anything to do with pixel shading directly but you get the idea that the 360 is basically an xbox 1.5 like Sony said. They weren't trolling MS, they just looked at the specs of the 360 and had to fight the urge to bust out laughing.

[jetlian]

for epic MS was only gonna have 256mb ram. so omega is kinda correct. epic and a few other teams asked for certain things to be included

[Dannehkins]

I think this is seriously a very wise move by Sony. We could argue all day about the PlayStation 3 being harder to develop for and there are benefits to its hardware as demonstrated by their exclusive and some multi-platform games.

However, at the end of the day, who knows best? I would argue the developers because they have to sit down and eventually, develop for this hardware so it's best that we get right now before we meet any resistance later on.

If they manage to offer their input and expertise in what the hardware should be, we as consumers should be reaping the benefits in years to come, because it should in theory mean we get better games.

I think it's a good move and I hope it pays off, because at the end of the day, I love gaming and I'd rather see developers working in a comfortable environment producing fantastic games.

[kingboy]

I still think Ken should get involve some how for the most part cause his a gifted visionary plus i wouldn't want the ps4 to peak in it's first year like the xbox 360 but in a nutshell its a great initiative getting some input from first party dev in the crafting and making for the console

[jneul]

I hope they bring back a newer version of cell tech for ps4, this generation sony has shown that cell is the way forward, producing mind blowing games with great physics dynamics animation and gameplay you name it it's there.
It would be a shame to not use the cell now that companies are dropping their bias (like valve) and are finally making an effort to learning something new, something powerful!!!

[Ju]

This will be interesting to see.

The CELL as it is now can't stay. It was a compromise at the time because there was simply no "execution core" which could compete with it's raw vector power (neither CPU nor GPU).

Today things are a bit different. Such a chip must compete with latest GPUs form NVidia or ATI. A Tesla can possibly execute vector code faster than current CELL chips.

I think a new vector processor could still be desirable. The CELL proved to be very effective and flexible to program. A future console will most likely have a similar approach. But it would likely be a new GPU which takes over those tasks; unless they can create the GPU inside a next generation CELL, and somehow merge those GPU parts with the more high level vector core.

It would certainly makes sense to keep some sort of backward compatibility with the PS3. Or a future gpGPU can actually emulate SPUs (using shaders).

[yewles1]

I hope PS4 uses atleast tech from those experimental 5GHz PowerXCell8i's, those are beastly.

[Ju]

The PowerXCell wasn't an improvement. It added DP to the SPU ISA and changed the memory controller to a standard DDR3 type interface. Other than that, nothing got really improved. None of these extensions would make any PS3 game faster.

For a new CELL the PPU core would need to be made more competitive (like OOP support, bigger caches, 2-4 cores). SPU ISA needs to be improved (e.g. some extended instructions for specific operations?) and data throughput must be increased. The SPU ring bus currently saturates at 8 SPUs, so just adding more SPUs won't help, either. Higher frequencies are certainly possible - now that they can manufacture it in 45nm.

It will be a challenge to make a next generation CELL competitive with say a tesla.

[N4g_null]

Wow man you have only two bubble left to talk.

I think an upgrade to the current bluray tech would be the best move.

If we can reach almost solidstate drive speeds on an optical diskk then that would turn the bluray into almost like a Harddrive coming with each game even if it is only readable. This would be so big because then tool management could effective leverage this idea.

I want some of the GPU operations on the next cell on chip. So that we don't have to deal with the bandwidth issues and we can actually change the rendering output in wide ranging ways.

Then just put in any old GPU they can find and i'll be happy.

Of course a beefer CPU would be sweet also. What if they also bring back the idea of cell network processing.

Imagine you could put a disk in your old PS3 and have your PS3 play against you online as if it is another online opponent. That would be pretty cool and very possible. Yet it would be true to what ken wanted to make in the first place. The code is already there. Help it's even in quakes engine.

I think GPcpus will be able to emulate the PS3s SPU and if not they can always just release these games since most gamers don't mind them doing that with the PS2.

I'm not sure if they want to merge the gpu parts with a vector core when most of those GPU parts actually blow a vector core away.

I guess the biggest problem is I know whats possible yet I don't know if you can cram all this together due to the limits of silicon and the heat restrictions you run into.

Blue ray needs to keep progressing though. The holy grail is when your game disk can almost represent new hardware. I know thats asking for a lot but that almost would mean no more upgrades.

That is a software and hardware issue with an abstraction layer that would look like cloud computing locally. The power and idea of the cell was collective computing. I really wish ken could see this thur. Yes he is crazy but I like him. Did he make some mistakes sure yet he was on the right track the money just wasn't there yet.

This is a good move though and it can go well or very bad.... They need more than just the help of 1st party. They need some thing equivalent to the direct x and open GL committees.

[kumashii38]

Kazuo Hirai-san FTW !
great game developers + good hardware which is easy to develop for = countless great games!

I believe they can make it happen.

[gypsygib]

This is genius, the most talented devs in the world for making graphics and understanding highly complex hardware will design PS4. It should be OUTSTANDING. The new cell is the collective minds of Sony's first party. While other developers struggle with PS3, often unable to get rid of jaggies or make 720p these guys pump out the best console graphics in the history of gaming, it goes without saying that when it comes to programing they know what they're doing - probably more than a most people in the industry.

[Z777]

i sure hope THE OTHER company, *cough* MICROSOFT *cough*

will LEARN from it's "past mistakes". *cough* RROD *cough*

oooohh i crack my self up.

[adamx]

but if they do that they would only sell half as many consoles...

[Raoh]

also its about time. this is one reason microsoft has become such a third party darling. the tools are created by developers for developers.

[Jeff257]

This is good news. We are already going to see some of their input this fall when Move releases. Its already being integrated into some more Core titles and with Dead Space Extraction being ported to the PS3 we can see Sony went out to 3rd party devs with it early as well. The real key to Move will be the titles developed by Sony's 1st party and the 3rd party Move titles built for it in the next few years. Move will keep the PS3 alive a bit longer than previous gens. But when we see PS4 because of the Dev input there will probably be some very strong launch titles.

[cky4987]

"* Created the nightmare situation for developers where it was the first console in history to be stuck with LESS storage space for games than previous gens. Only 6.7GB for Xbox 360 games vs 8GB for PS2/Xbox games last gen. One of the main reasons Rockstar continually complained about what a nightmare the 360 was to have to deal with."

Just wanted to say that is completely untrue, and pretty sure the guy just made it up. All Xbox 360 games are on dual-layer discs which hold 8.5gb's. Both PS2 and the original Xbox were on single layer dvd's which held 4.37gb's Thats also what the Nintendo wii uses except with some game's such as Smash Brothers Brawl. That was on a dual layer. Don't just make up stuff to try to get you point across.

[ThatArtGuy]

MS requires room for copy protection. The 360's maximum space is 6.7 due to this reason.

[SuperStrokey1123]

Yeah that will be great, atleast we have a confirmation that there will indeed be a new Playstation, or prehaps a new PSP. Makes me very happy that they will be making epicly awesome games for a good deal more time.

[TONYPS3]

i dont want to think about next generation already. i dont have the slim. i paid lots of money for my ps3. ive had it since late 06/early 07. lets keep the momentum going this generation. developers claim to not have "maxed out" the ps3 yet so lets keep it moving. the ps2 is still in many homes. still selling. so im hoping my ps3 does the same. great news about the developers having input on the console next gen tho. lets keep pushing this cell. if the xbox(sic) developers(trash) can still push that 1987 hundai machine, can you imagine what naughty dog, guerilla, etc.. can do with the CELL. its only been like 3 years and ps3 1st and 2nd party developers have made great progress. EPIC EVEN

[prettyboy1]

cant wait

[deno]

Strong words. I love the idea.

[Karum]

Having software engineers and hardware engineers working in unison to develop a platform is an amazing idea.

It'll be exciting to see what comes out of such a partnership but to be honest I'm looking forward to quite a few more years of gaming awesomeness with my PS3.

[Drithe]

If they cant keep the price down to at least 399 on PS4 it will suffer the same fate that the ps3 has.

The less systems that sell the less games you will have on the system. Maybe, instead of driving the prices up on games and systems, you can just rely on good games to sell it.

Dont give me that arguement that prices go up every year and blah blah blah. IF that is the case then by that logic we should be paying 100 bucks a game by now, which would kill gaming altogether.

I only hope Sony NEVER officially wipes out the competition. If so gaming is dead.

End of Line.

[ForROME]

If that isnt a statement that they screwed up I dont know what is, good for you SONY you learned your lesson now 3rd parties will have no issues with your hardware going forward and these blind loyalty fools can shut their little mouths

[DarthBigE]

So Sony just gave up on ps3? If I hear about ps4 next e3 i will be mad as hell

[DarthBigE]

and i think that most developers out there are dont try hard enough to make games on ps3, if they did then we would have some kick-ass games like lbp2 that is coming out soon.

[theonlylolking]

What PS4 might need

2gb of ram, graphics card that is double or triple the power of the currnet PS3 chip, and 2x faster blu-ray disc reading capabilities. I dont think they would need to use a more powerful cell since the cell PS3 uses is already very powerful. If they use the PS3 cell you can play all PS3 games and keep the PS4 at a low price.

It also needs hdmi 1.4 support.

[ForROME]

Your specs are way off

4GB Ram is more likely, a 12X BluRay 1-2TB HD is what needs to happen and it cant launch more than 399 or it will fail

[trancefreak]

the ps4 will be a reasonable price at launch conloles! but for you Im sure you will be desperatly looking one on ebay for limited supply units @ launch for about $1,500 or more. You wont be able to handle the antacipation to wait for restocked models. ps4 will rock your socks

[Deios]

We don't need a next generation console. I feel like the PS3 is just begining.

[DeathMetal]

It can't do 1080 P or 60 FPS how is that the beginning

[N4BmpS]

Whatever makes you feel better right hamblin?

[N4BmpS]

I think what the exec. was trying to say was that the major devs of the PS3 are going to help push the PS3 in the right direction and when they get ready for PS4 their first parties will be big key players from the start and from the start they will help other understand that console, thus building it.

[DeathMetal]

What the hell does that mean. I own a PS3 just saying that next gen to me means 1080 P on everything i just think that a new console should be coming soon not in 5 years like a lot of people. Sorry but 30 fps 720 P is weak. It's funny cause all the fanboys like to compare PS3 to Pc when Pc games were running at those specs in the early 90's

[N4BmpS]

Okay? I really don't care what PC had back in the 90's PS3 graphics look good to me now, I don't have an HDTV so honestly I don't care for HD resolutions. My "what makes you feel better" statement was pretty random and asinine right? What you always say right? It doesn't matter what you say anyway, if it wasn't for a console anyway there would be no gaming industry.

[Captain Tuttle]

The PS4 will not be backward compatible with the PS3.

[yippiechicken]

I hope you're wrong. That would be a real kick in the 'nards.

[SSKILLZ]

OMG the ps4 is gonna be a freaking titan ! insane graphics and games running at 60 frames or more damn!!!!!!

I'm glad we have Naughtydog on are side their just amazing !

[Tsar4ever01]

I remember xerox coping a page from a site I can't remember, saying sony is looking to game developers for hardware spec feedback, back in mid to late 2008. Then they mentioned that the ps4 is gonna be Wii-atized, No more than 2x as powerful as the current ps3. Anybody here remember that? This is no REAL news. BUT WAIT!! Sony looking at "1ST PARTY DEVELOPERS!???" for hardware spec development input?
1st party developers has NO PROBLEMS with ps3 development!! They were the dev parties that saved the ps3 from certain DOOM! It's the 2nd & mostly 3rd Party developers having the MOST trouble creating games then porting. So why sony is consentrating on 1st party developers input. I thought Sony should cater MORE to 3rd party developers also.

[jalen247]

This can only spell bad news for the competition.

[ATi_Elite]

Sony is looking at 4 years before releasing another console. I think they may make some kind of add on to increase ram or the GFX accelerator to the PS3 but that's about it.

Neither Sony or Microsoft or any body else can release a $600 console because a $600 PC will easily kill it.

Consoles are dead as PC power increases and prices drop (4 core CPU's for $120 or $99)

Next "console" round will be Sony and Microsoft making PCs that play proprietary games or a PC add on.

Personally I don't even see Microsoft making another console now that Apple is getting into the PC gaming market with help from Steam and Valve.

[nickjkl]

but a ps3 isnt a pc

you might have a 4 core cpu now but sony will probably release something that destroys all cpus

just like how people were comparing cell to i7

[DeathMetal]

i7 whips the cell

[cmrbe]

If devs design the PS4. Woudn't this mean they will know how to get the most out of the PS4 in the first 2 years?. Wouldn't this shorten the PS4 lifecycle meaning we will have to buy a PS5 sooner rather than later?.

Its good to get the feedback from devs on what they had difficulties with but from a design point of view i am only confident if Ken is designing the PS4. Isn't the PS3 not proof enough.

However, in a way i see why Sony would let devs have a bigger say. Sony has been investing alot in them for the last couplpe of years and its only logical that they try to use their expertise from a software prespective. They are after all are he ones that will be creating the games.

[stuntman_mike]

I think thats a great idea letting the guys who make the games have a say in how the console is built.

[Argento-Nox]

This would be a great move by Sony for their next gen consoles. It makes perfect sense their 1st party companies have input on what they would want in Sony's next consoles, since their the ones making the games.