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GND: HD Classics huh? So that’s why Sony took out backwards compatibility

The new "Classics HD" label pretty much confirms what many feared back when Sony announced they were going to remove b/c altogether from all PS3's.

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SOAD5056d ago

No. The emotion engine added a cost that Sony thought wasn't worth it.

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raztad5055d ago (Edited 5055d ago )

@SOAD

I agree. That was a costs cut measure.

Besides WTF? since when blurry upscaled PS2 game = HD remastered version, with trophies?

"The new "Classics HD" label pretty much confirms what many feared"

I havent seen anyone fearing. PS3 owners are more than happy to play the best PS2 titles in HD. I'm so buying Sly Cooper, it ven got fully 3D support.

To the author: Buy a PS2 if you dont care about visuals.

tinybigman5055d ago

With the remarks because everything is updated and all the games in the series come on ONE disk for a low price.

You can't be that bargain if you ask me.

Inside_out5055d ago

I have no problem with it as long as the games cost $9.99.

raztad5055d ago

LOL. You dont have a PS3.

evilmonkey5015055d ago

I would spend 20. That's about it though.

sikbeta5055d ago

@SOAD

Actually is The Graphics Synthesizer GPU, EE was Emulated in some European PS3s

O-T

Remastered Collections of Franchises in 1 Blu-Ray + HD + Trophies are Awesome and no-1 is forced to buy them if don't want to like no-1 was forced to buy a PS3 Fat @ $600 with 10 Years of Gaming since Day One aka Backward Compatible PS3....

ExcelKnight5055d ago (Edited 5055d ago )

EE was also emulated on the first 80GB PS3 SKU in North America (and Japan?). All other SKUs after that don't have the Graphics Synthesizer, including the Slim model.

People have crunched the numbers before and already came up with a resounding "not possible" when trying to consider the possibility of PS2 backwards compatibility on those systems. If you look, you'll notice that 80% of games work on 80GB PS3s compared to near-100% for the 60GB model. Now consider this: If taking out and emulating EE caused a 20% drop in compatibility, imagine what trying to emulate the GS will do? Nothing released after 2004 would run reliably, if at all (that's when games started using updated GPU functionality, as evidenced by Star Ocean 3 being incompatible with older PS2s).

Edit: here's one fairly interesting and popular series that doesn't run on 80GB PS3s (so don't even count on it working on a theoretical return of PS2 BC today). Ratchet & Clank doesn't work properly. Most titles in the series have severe slowdown or just plain freeze.

http://us.playstation.com/s... <-- Just select "80GB" and enter "Ratchet" as the search term. You'll see the games don't work for that SKU. They work for the 60GB SKU, though.

bjornbear5055d ago

but at the same time, its obviously an advantage for them to remove BC

+ proven it can be done in software alone, they just saw a huge pot of money they'd miss out if they went ahead with BC

but yes, emotion engine = main reason

ExcelKnight5055d ago

No, Emotion Engine is emulated on 80GB PS3s. As sikbeta pointed out, it's the Graphics Synthesizer (GPU) that was the last piece of PS2 hardware left. All SKUs after the MGS/Motorstorm 80GB model don't have the GPU, which in turn makes it absolutely impossible to emulate PS2 games anymore.

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SilverSlug5056d ago

If someone wanted to play PS2 games, they could always get.. i dunno? A PS2? 60GB PS3?

I have God of War 1/2 on PS2 and still got the collection for the update.

basicsameh5145056d ago

@silverslug
i can buy a ps2 and the original game for the same price as the hd collections

B-Real2065056d ago

could you point me that direction? Is this a new ps2 and a new game or both used. I'm pretty sure the god of war collection when first released was 39.99 but now you can find it for 29.99 new......So about that deal.

StanLee5055d ago (Edited 5055d ago )

I still have my PS2 and a huge collection of PS2 games. Who sells or trades a classic console like the PS2? To me the HD collection is a great way for Sony to tap its huge library for profit. I bought the God of War HD collection even though I had the games on the PS2 so there is value for fans of classic franchises. Trophy support and the HD upgrade are worth the investment in a few classic franchises you love. It's not like no work goes into the HD transformation. There is a lot that goes into it. Like I would buy a Ratchet and Clank HD collection day 1.

Highatus5055d ago

I agree Stan, I still have my ps2 and my collection still, as well as a launch ps3. I feel there is much value in these collections, I look forward to the sly collection as well since I never played the franchise and I can get 3 classic games remastered for the price of one.

I think the author pulled out the old jump to conclusions mat.

vickers5005055d ago

"Who sells or trades a classic console like the PS2?"

People who hear Sony say that the ps3 will be backwards compatible, and assume it's going to be that way forever (it's a fair assumption), which renders their ps2s useless. PS3 was expensive back then and some people needed all the cash they can get, so why would they NOT sell their ps2?

Christopher5055d ago

***PS3 was expensive back then and some people needed all the cash they can get, so why would they NOT sell their ps2? ***

If you needed the $20-40 selling your PS2 back then could net you for a PS3 in order to make the purchase, you shouldn't even be considering the purchase. Anyone who made that sort of deal is, honestly, an idiot consumer.

wicko5055d ago

Yeah I think its a good trade, HD remakes for old titles over b/c. Would still be nice if we had both, but I still have a PS2.

NYC_Gamer5056d ago

i have my 60gb but never really played any ps2 games on it....

El-Fenemeno12135055d ago

Same Here, I have the 60 gig as well, but I don't think I ever played a PS2 game on it since the month it released.

ShiftyLookingCow5055d ago

I guess you people already owned a PS2.

Orange5055d ago

I played GOW1 and 2 and Shadow of the Colossus on my launch PS3....and if Sony is telling me SOC will be remastered with a solid frame rate, at 60 Hz ta boot, I would say buying the remastered disc will be money well spent.

Don't forget, the frame rate was juiced on God of War, too.

ULTIMATE_REVENGE5056d ago (Edited 5056d ago )

Sony did make a really stupid move and re-mastering PS2 games in HD? I don't want them remastered, I want to play them in their original form from my original copy. If you re-master them then it loses that classic feeling.

Sony should kill the PS2 and bring back B.C ASAP. Why do you think the most requested feature on the PS ideas site is PS2 B.C? because people obviously want it.

B-Real2065056d ago

Why would you kill something that is still selling and will continue to sell. If I'm not mistaken a business need to make a profit to survive. Are you gonna kill your mom because she's old? Naw didn't think so.

Really at 99 dollars new with a huge catalog of games it's a steal. I am sadden by the loss of bc but I could have bought a 60 or 20 when they first released. Sony did announce that they were in fact killing bc. You had your chance there.

I actually like the idea of remastered ps2 titles. I wouldn't mind the team ico games since I never played them when I had my ps2. They have a huge library with many jems

ElementX5056d ago

I'd rather have remastered. For those of you wanting the classic feeling, plug in your PS2. I never owned PS2 and after playing PS3 I tried PS2 and the graphics were difficult to look at. Everything was extremely jaggy and the experience wasn't very good for me. I would welcome more HD releases.

ULTIMATE_REVENGE5056d ago

PS2 games had jaggies so obviously it's going to look jaggy.

ElementX5056d ago

I'm aware of that, I was saying compared to current gen, last gen graphics are hard to look at.

vickers5005055d ago

Actually, it's not really remastering them at all (except with trophies and 3d). They are releasing the version the developers originally intended to make but were restrained to by the ps2's hardware.

This way, we get to experience the intended experience, and not a lesser version.

DelbertGrady5056d ago

First it giveth then it taketh away. Then it giveth again but now you have to payeth.

Topshelfcheese5055d ago

ya, kinda like:

50dollars a year for xbl
100dollars for wifi adapter
170dollars for 120gb hdd

need i go on. I don't care if they added some of the stuff to the slim, the crazy ass prices they charged for this stuff made it so I never downloaded a single xbla game, but I have 20+ PSN games.

Garnett5055d ago

"50dollars a year for xbl
100dollars for wifi adapter
170dollars for 120gb hdd "

Too bad, Wifi is included and a 250 gig HDD is included.. and well for XBL, PSN Plus says Hi, but the features of XBL are over shadowing it...

@Dlacgy13g

How DARE you speak of thee Sony!!!!!! KB himself, will come hunt you down, Terminator style! From the future, using the Move!!!!!!

wicko5055d ago

lol what features of XBL are overshadowing PS+? Is it that you get to play online?

bjornbear5055d ago

or are you so desperate you count this as a negative =P at least PS2 games are worth playing unlike xbox games

n4gno5055d ago (Edited 5055d ago )

so dumb.

it's not the same ps2 game as you can play on your ps3 60, it's really better and worth the price.(don't you pay for old and dumb "arcade games" on xbl, who are so inferiors to ps2 remastered ?)

(to funny to see dumb fanboyz, like dlacy, to "lol" about remastered games, when he is paying for playing online, paying for inferior hardware, paying for games onb dvd, etc etc )

edit : "Sony's approach: Update the graphics, add trophies and put the game out for $40 at retail to sell millions...
Microsoft's approach: Update the graphics, maybe add some features, add achievements and put the game on XBLA for $10-20...
Nintendo's approach: Just put all the games on the platform at a reduced cost as they are. "

- don't compare sub-game with masterpieces
- 40 ? for two games, in hd (not "updated poor graphics of poor games")
- if you want to talk about money and value, sony killed the competition in every fronts (hardware, accesories, psn prices : wipe out, etc say hello)
so, when a dumb man paid to much for his crap, the first thing to do, is to don't "lol" about people smarters, who have the best, for the best price :)

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

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Profchaos6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers5d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken5d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g5d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing5d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H95d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola5d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6695d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle5d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

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jznrpg6d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos6d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola6d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies26d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken26d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga26d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken26d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6426d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long26d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197226d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic26d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12526d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91326d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer26d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91325d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit25d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher26d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6925d ago (Edited 25d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit25d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher26d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken26d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197226d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic26d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2326d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218326d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder26d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts26d ago

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