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Penello on Kinect: We don’t want “shovelware”

VG247 writes: Albert Penello, director of platform marketing for Xbox, has said Microsoft doesn’t want Kinect games to be “shovelware.”

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dangert125109d ago

did he not attend E3 ? but hey one mans rubish is a next mans gold or somthing like that its a good attitude to have anyway only the best

GWAVE5109d ago

It doesn't matter what he wants. Xbox brand execs have been dropping like flies, so if Microsoft doesn't agree with what you want, they'll just bring in someone new.

But Kinect's performance at E3 definitely showed Microsoft's focus, from what they said to the games they demoed. It's casual. Sorry, Natal supporters, but thems the breaks.

Anarki5109d ago

Yeah they do, since when did Microsoft care about their consumer? They'd jump at the chance of anything that'll make them some cash.

AAACE55109d ago (Edited 5109d ago )

This won't end well!

@dangert12... It seems like everytime I see you on a 360 post, you are making a negative comment! Be careful man... your fanboy is starting to show... zip that up!

@Chaos69 1.2... The strange thing is, they bash everything for the 360 and the majority of the stuff they bash ends up selling well! They bashed Halo, Gears, and several other things 360 related, and the majority of it sold pretty well. I don't believe them. I think they work for MS and are trying reverse psychology on us! lol!

HolyOrangeCows5109d ago (Edited 5109d ago )

We saw about 3 different dance games preped for launch and about 4 fitness games preped for launch.

The shovelware has already begun.

Chaos695109d ago

You PS3 fanboys seem to care more about Kinect than X360 owners.

Microsoft Xbox 3605109d ago

You 360 fanboys seem to avoid Kinect threads/articles after the fail seen at E3. What happened pre-E3? You guys were touting Natal as some kind of revolutionary step in gaming. You can't expect PS3 fanboys to forget about that hilarious claim so quickly.

maddhatter1235109d ago

run your mouth get owned and then play the victim that is all these 360 clowns do they're a joke.

beans5109d ago

How are we playing the victim and getting owned when you want to be gamers are still stuck in 3rd place trying to claim victory lol. Those natal people are still around but now instead of talking trash like you guys will sit here and watch it destroy PS3 and gain market share on Wii. You can hate all day on Kinect but the fact remains there are still many unanswered questions and plenty of time to show something for it's core. Funny how you guys talk so much crap and then when proven wrong pretend you never said anything. The only people getting owned here are PS3 fanboys who think Japan=the world. This holiday prepare for a wake up call as all eyes are turned towards 360. :(

tinybigman5109d ago

thats what you already have on your system with the crap you showed at E3.
expect more people thats all i have to say.

LetsTorque5109d ago

Now here's the difference between Sony and Microsoft... when Sony says they dont want shovelware on Move, they not only mean it, they prove it! But when Microsoft says they dont want shovelware on Natal, they not only contradict themselves, they lose credibility!
Another thing Microsoft says are the words "Exclusive", now this word has been flung around by MS constantly! They said exclusive content (GTA) which is not even exclusive because it is on Sony's system; they say exclusive Netflix... which is on now on Sony's system, im not going to waste my time by listing all things MS, because its just not worth it, but I've learnt over the past years, MS is willing to con consumers into buying there system.
BTW I'm not saying Sony has not said anything that they haven't kept to, but what I can say, is that Sony has more credibility in my eyes than Microsoft ever had.

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Omega45109d ago

It will be a lot harder for shovelware to made for Kinect considering every game will have to be made differently to use Kinect, so most if not all the games will be unique.

Plus MS doesn't have to worry about ports either unlike Sony, and all the good Wii games come from Nintendo mostly, so all Move will get is the third party shovelware.

Pedobear Rocks5109d ago

I just showed you (above) Deca Sports ie 3rd party Wii shovelware is one of the first games coming to Kinect.

TotalPS3Fanboy5109d ago (Edited 5109d ago )

have exercised his right to ignore and deny reality.

mrv3215109d ago

Shovelware on a 360... this isn't new, indie games and marketplace is full of it.

You do realise Move is not a Wii Controller right? And infact uses a camera... like Kinect.

What Kinect will get is a lot of shovelware eyetoy games.

NYC_Gamer5109d ago

kinect launch software=shovelware

rekof5109d ago (Edited 5109d ago )

The problem is ,.. That is all Kinect is capable of doing ,..
except that fitness apps,.. ( that is great for exercising programs ,.. if it works )

So the statement is illogical in its structure,..
Or they don't want software for it,..

sad

Michael-Jackson5109d ago (Edited 5109d ago )

"Shovelware" is a game targeted for Casuals ONLY with generic characters, average graphics, low budget, shallow gameplay and no storyline. That's all Kinect has at the moment!!! u understand???

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tinybigman5109d ago (Edited 5109d ago )

hey O you must've missed the part of the presser or the rest of E3 where it was said most hardcore games will also support move like say Socom4, RE5, KZ3, HR, LBP2 huh?

wake up from your dream world and join us here in the land of the real world please.

n4gno5109d ago

He's not the only one, but him can read and comment all the news (with biased mind, but it's hard to cure 4 years of brainwashing medias), some others xbox fans in denial prefer to ignore facts (sells ps3>xbox, better exclusives on ps3, move is the best motion controler for now, people are interested by 3D, etc)

Qui-Gon Jim5109d ago (Edited 5109d ago )

"You can't reason somebody out of something they haven't been reasoned into."
(unfortunately, I don't know who said it)

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Microsoft's Xbox gaming handheld will fail unless someone else makes it

Despite Microsoft's experience in hardware manufacturing, I don't trust it not to fumble its first gaming handheld device which may eventually lead to a successor not getting released.

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LG_Fox_Brazil1d 22h ago

Unless it has some fature that really makes it standout I don't think someone who wants a handheld will pick it when the Switch 2 is just around the corner and the Steam Deck offers a huge library with much better prices worldwide

OtterX1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Especially since the existing PC handhelds (Steam Deck, ROG Ally, etc) can already run Gamepass. I don't have a Steam Deck yet, but I did see Forza Horizon 5 already running pretty well on it natively, so I'd imagine most XBox exclusives on Steam would run pretty well too. The most Microsoft could do is try to brute force a more expensive, higher power handheld. I doubt it would do well if that were the case.

ABizzel11d 10h ago

This has been my point. It’s too little too late, and there are too many options out now that can already do the same thing with similar or better tech, in a similar price-range. A best case scenario for them is slightly above Steam-Deck performance at $100 less, but that’s not a huge selling point for anyone who has already jumped into the handheld PC market, and people still on the fence. Or go the other route of as cheap as possible but making it a streaming only device around $199.

It would do well and reach over 1m sold just because of the Xbox branding, but their consoles are already selling less and less (by the looks of it), so I don’t see a handheld being this great savior for them.

They simply need to rebrand one of the Surface tablets into the device with dedicated controls and more gaming focused, and call it a day instead of heavily investing in a handheld

VariantAEC1d 6h ago

I'm guessing Xbox Wireless will be a streaming system like PS Portal. And yes I fully expect their portable Xbox to be given a really stupid name like "Wireless." Maybe even a dumber name like the Xbox Series W.

Jingsing1d 16h ago

Doesn't make much sense to have a handheld that is locked down to the Xbox ecosystem when the PC handheld can run everything. I'm sure the same people that bought the Xbox fridge will give Microsoft their free money though.

XBManiac1d 12h ago

Microsoft handheld Qualcomm based... you will see it next year... and you will see it sink.

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The Xbox showcase brought the E3 magic

After having to prove itself for years, Xbox doubled down and pulled it off..

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GaboonViper12d ago

Yep Xbox absolutely knocked it out of the park with that stunning show, it was everything a gaming showcase should be, games games and games, well done team Xbox.

CrimsonWing6911d ago

It really did. Like I came out of that with the hype for new games I haven’t felt since… well the better years of E3.

monkey60211d ago

It was without a doubt one of the better showcases in years. There was plenty there that excited me. Something has been lacking in years on all platforms

EasilyTheBest11d ago

It was an amazing showcase I loved everything about it. Can't wait to play some of those games.
What's going on. 4 comments & no negatives yet. Wow, what's going on with N4G.

ThinkThink11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Show was so good, it made me forget about that blue dragon rumor until the next day. Too many games to process.

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Is Xbox Going Multi-Platform The Right Decision For The Console Market?

Shahmeer from eXputer: "The new Xbox strategy to go multi-platform could eventually change console gaming as we know it, and I am concerned."

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Bathyj12d ago

Can we stop pretending that Xbox has any great influence over the console market?

All they can do is try and steer their own Destiny. They have very little to do with what the other players in the console market are doing.

And yes, going 3rd party is pretty much their only option and is good for them.

RaidenBlack12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Still whatever little direct competition they're offering against Sony ... that'd be gone, which is never good for consumers.
I know Sony will continue to apease the gamers but without any proper competition in same space, they might not work at the fullest efficiency.
(Taking into account, thats generally been agreed here, that Nintendo has long been not the direct competitor to either MS or Sony)

xHeavYx12d ago

The " without any proper competition in same space, they (Sony) might not work at the fullest efficiency" narrative has been proven false for years. Let's stop pretending that, in terms of games, Xbox has been any competition to Playstation.

fsfsxii12d ago

Sony had 0 competition for most of its playstation business, and they still succeeded, the only thing xbox introduced was paid online and dlc

maniacmayhem12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Sony had little to no competition during the PS2 era and they have an iconic catalog.

I don't think Sony needs competition in the console space to still release great games. It would be the games that would be competing against each other.

Einhander197212d ago

Xbox does not need to exist for PlayStation to have competition.

They compete with Nintendo, PC, streaming and countless other devices.

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neutralgamer199212d ago

Yes release games on other platforms

Your own gamers still get the games day one on GP. So GP will grow and stay stabilize

By releasing the games on PC,PlayStation and next switch they can get $70 for their games.

MS didn't invest 100 billion for nothing. This way Xbox generates way more revenue

GhostScholar12d ago

And Sony is doing the same thing whether you want to admit it or not.

anast12d ago

The show was like a sub-show for Sony. All these games are coming to PS5.

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outsider162412d ago

You gotta admit though..xbox showcase was actually really great.

RpgSama12d ago

I mean, yes, it was an Activision, Blizzard, Bethesda presentation, they just so happened to buy all of those publishers, nothing we would not have seen on any other award show if they had not bought developers that were and STILL are developing multiplatform games.

If you remove them you are left with Microsoft game studios, another Fable, Another Gears, Perfect Dark which for me didn't look all that great, Avowed, Age of mythology and south of midnight (might be missing something I guess)

anast12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

No better than any other show. There weren't any major new announcements, which is what everyone has been complaining about. The bar shouldn't get lowered for a trillion dollar company.

crazyCoconuts12d ago

"another Fable, another Gears, Perfect Dark"?
That's a lot of pretty great "anothers".
I could use a few of those "anothers" from Sony right now.

helicoptergirl12d ago

Yes it was a really great showcase that Xbox had. Multiplats and all. Overall it was really cool

Terry_B12d ago

for pc and playstation..yes it was. Not a single reason was given to buy an xbox.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Perfect Dark looked amazing! Wouldn't mind seeing something like that from Sony tbh.

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thesoftware73012d ago

anast,

"All these games are coming to PS5."

Very disingenuous statement... Some, but not all.

Oh, so that is the new narrative, "sub-show for Sony." lol, wow.

The sad part is that you are clearly and fully aware that it is very unlikely for any 1hr and 30min gaming presentation show to showcase ALL Exclusives, it just doesn't happen.

And don't you think it sad that MS had a better Sony showing than Sony? If I were you, I wouldn't consider that a flex, lol.?

anast12d ago

They are coming to PS5, the ones that matter of course.

There is nothing sad here. You might need to start your argument without an emotive.

I don't think they had a better showing. Unless we lower the bar for only Xbox.

crazyCoconuts12d ago

None of us really know how much they're going third party. They're still ACTING like they want to protect the platform - no mention of PS5 in their show, still marketing the console, still using the Xbox logo.
Yeah Phil acknowledged more is coming to PS5. But is that Indiana Jones? Perfect Dark? Gears?
If they keep those key properties in their stable it's not accurate to label them as simply 3rd party.
They may very well still be in the game after all...

anast12d ago

@Coconut

Sony did the same in their last. They showed games that were already announced.

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Giga_Gaia12d ago

We need to stop pretending like Xbox matters and has any influence in the industry.

By entering the industry, Microsoft made it worst, everything bad in the industry can be tied to them (like paid online and DLCs). The industry would be better off if they had never been in it.

Before you say Sony would have no competition, they would still have PC and Nintendo. As they are right now, Microsoft are not competition, they don't actually matter.

crazyCoconuts12d ago

I think you're mostly right. They've been failing on console and will most likely drop out.
But the concern a lot of us had was that they would use their $ to win monopolistically. They've already bought a huge number of big studios. Going multi-platform would alleviate that concern.
But they could still turn the screws, this game isn't over quite yet... They're sending mixed signals.

CrimsonWing6912d ago

I think in Xbox’s direness it is, but let’s not pretend like they don’t understand the value of exclusiveness to their platform. Not every damn Xbox game is coming to PS5 and the stuff that has hit have either been GaaS games or games that didn’t exactly sell gamgbusters and are extremely niche.

When Halo, Gears, Forza, Perfect Dark, Fable, etc. start coming to PS5 then that’s pretty massive and also diminishes any reason to own an Xbox.

LucasRuinedChildhood12d ago

Doom isn't niche. It was heavily implied that all Bethesda games, outside of games with contractual agreements and the existing multiplayer games, would all be exclusive to Xbox.

CrimsonWing6912d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Ok, sorry, Doom is the exception.

My point is Xbox is still keeping exclusives for their bigger games. What’s been released are GaaS: Sea of Thieves, Grounded aka Honey I Shrunk the Kids, and then niche stuff like Pentiment and Hi-Fi Rush. Then you got Doom coming out, which is an outlier, I suppose.

crazyCoconuts12d ago

It's not niche but it's not everything.
MS has got a HUGE cache of IP and studios now

Scissorman12d ago

It's the only decision. Hardware sales are on a sharp decline and Game Pass growth has stagnated.

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