Sony Move and Microsoft Kinect Are a Wii All Over Again

4 Years into the Wii’s life and Sony and Microsoft have finally reached that special place that the Wii has capitalized in, called ‘motion control gaming’. Microsoft’s new motion system ‘Kinect’ is probably a step up from what Nintendo introduced to the world 4 years ago, but nothing revolutionary. Sony’s Move on the other hand, is a complete replica of the Wii with...

[Lucent Beam]

I think anyone can see that. No offense to that article but it was all kind of common sense. Kinect is something totally different from Wii.... and it will most likely fail for being too restrictive in terms of what kind of games can be played on it. And Move is like a WiiHD+. I don't get if the author was trying to be insightful or what, but like I said... everything he wrote was just common sense.

[Chupa-Chupa]

Appreciate your comment. Although going to E3 made it clear that Sony and Microsoft is really focused on this motion control system, and sort of bringing the less gamers along with it. It is nothing revolutionary. It's just funny to read and hear people hate on the Wii, then BAMM! Wii all over again. 4 years too late you think?

[Takoulya]

Except that Move is getting real hardcore game support. Its precision and accuracy cannot be matched by the Wii, nor Kinect. SOCOM 4 and KZ3 are just examples of great games that are using Move properly. Kinect has no hardcore game support, and Wii's support is minimal. I'm not saying that the Wii doesn't have great games, I'm just saying that the amount of real, core gamers' games are low. I don't expect Nintendo to revolutionize their own finished product either. It would require a complete hardware change. Move is bringing in what the real gamers want and are interested in, and that's the reason I place it above the rest.

[will11]

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[Seferoth75]

Takoulya,
It's sad that you actually believe that. Move is not more precise than the Wii. There are no accuracy issues with the Wii remote in FPS. Move is a camera tracking a single sensor, Wii has a camera tracking 2 sensors. Wait... Your whole point about it being more precise is based off Sony using it in its own FPS franchises while Nintendo doesnt have any to use theirs in except Metroid?

So far you are proving me right that the only people interested in Move are completely ignorant of how it and the Wii work and what they offer.

[Army_of_Darkness]

the only reason I hated on the wii was because the graphics were last gen and isn't even HD... the actual motion control part was a good idea to get Lazy gamers a little more active once in a while....

[Nathaniel_Drake]

But these can be used for hardcore gamers, it's actually both now for the PS3, also the 3rd party support is much better on the PS3 so you will get much more games on it using the Move. It's just another addition to the Playstation family that adds more games, and isn't that what gaming consoles are about adding more games?

[Anon1974]

The Wii's success has more to do with it's initial price point than the motion control. With Sony and Microsoft duking it out with their high priced systems, Nintendo stepped right in with a cheaper offering and a ready cast of recognizable characters that are proven to sell games.

Don't get me wrong, motion control seemed fresh and probably pushed some people off the fence to try something new, but we'll see with Move and Kinect just what type of appetite gamers really have for motion control.

[AWBrawler]

He obviously never played the conduit, Metroid, or an other shooting game on Wii. And Wii does have a shooter of their own coming: Sin and Punishment 2

[Jaces]

Not true. Wii has no camera, the controller has two image sensors (lights) that are detected by the sensor bars own infrared lights.

The fact that MOVE has an actual camera to track movements already proves that it's capable of more precise gameplay. It's much more than wiiHD. Hope I wasn't too ignorant for you.

[n4gno]

sepherote don't know what he is talking about (just look at ign previews for move), it's not only a wiimote for the best console (with the best library), it's also more sophisticated (more possibilities), more accurate, wireless, with eye toy (kinect father)...

every real gamer can see why it's way more exciting than wii, even if wii is enough to satisfy children and grand mothers (with bowling, etc)

[rockleex]

Sony also restricts the amount of titles using the same basic concepts and premises to force developers to not just release shovelware over and over again.

Read any hands-on preview of PS Move and you'll notice how the precision, accuracy, and lack of lag is ALWAYS mentioned.

And like others have said, we'll finally be able to use an accurate motion controller with HD games once PS Move comes out. >:D

[Delive]

My perspective, I never really hated on the Wii, more like Nintendo's direction. I got a Wii with hopes of this revolutionizing my gaming experience. The motion was interesting at first, but the gaming experience that went along with it did nothing to light my fire. The lack luster tsunami of games meant to entertain the casuals only drove me away after each game I spent money on was sub par to my Gamecube experience. This was Nintendo's strategy, their direction. This is exactly what turn me off.

With the Move and Kinect, your console is not based off the motion control. You still have the same experience with the high quality titles left and right that work with standard control. They just took the Wii and learned from it's mistakes (Which Nintendo also did with the Wii Motion Plus) and made their products excel where the Wii-mote had not. Their approaches are a little different though. MS appears to be targeting the casuals more aggressively than Sony is. I see Kinect as an enhanced produce targeting the same audience as the Wii, while the Move is an enhanced product trying to cater to both the core and casuals. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

4 years too late? I wouldn't say that. It's an evolution in gaming. N came out with something and is making money like crazy on it. Cheaper production cost and quicker output equal massive profit, and the casuals don't seem to mind the shovelware. It would only be smart to try to gain some of the market share in the casual area. These new devices take that and make it better, more accurate and advanced, moving motion controllers forward, while still supporting their core audience that got them where they are now.

[Takoulya]

I know how the Wii works, and how it plays. I had one until I traded it to get a PS3. Games Call of Duty: World at War were imprecise and aggravating after an extended period of playing. You would get cheaply killed because of imprecisions. Also, the Wii would make it so the screen stopped moving if the controller got even just above the pointing radius. Move tracks movements outside the radius, and basically everywhere the sphere is detected. All the Tech Demos of Move prove its superiority. I'm not dissing the Wii, it's great, but Move is technologically more advanced, and much more useful for people who want a real hardcore gaming experience.

[Shang-Long]

its not so much common sense. since not everyone knows about it. but i get what your saying.

to be fair on the subject both are not anything new and just upgrades of a older device. ( wii mote, pseye. ) while people will buy into both products. i don't (and im sure im not the only one) think either will have the effect The wii did.

then again a lot of people believed the wii wouldn't do well and it did. so just like everything else. only time will tell

[BannedForNineYears]

Isn't this all actually the webcam all over again?
Or actually....A camera all over again?
Isn't this technology all over again?
Isn't everything everything all over again?
o.O
-mind explodes-

[gamingisnotacrime]

on HHG site says otherwise, it looks tremendous

[Nathaniel_Drake]

Not Kinect that's a Eyetoy all over again, and even so for the move it seems it can be used in a much better way with better response and better graphics and can be used on games the Wii can't even touch like Heavy Rain or Killzone. Or a new game such as that flashlight horror game, which looks much better.

[Imallvol7]

I am dissapointed in MS and Sony for pursuing motion control Spend all that time and money on BS motion control. The Wii has saturated the casual market. I think they are both going to bomb.

[Shang-Long]

agreed. but at least sony is giving a lot of hardcore support.

[mrcash]

I just hope they implement it well. I personally can do without motion controls, as long as they never make it mandatory to play games with the "move" i'll be fine. It's all business, it was only a matter of time before ms and sony followed in nintendos footsteps,here's to hoping that some amazing games come out of it.

[Pedobear Rocks]

working on motion control and video capture in their games since at least 2001 ... you want them to never try and recoup the cost of that R and D?

http://www.tawkn.com/?news_...

[Meryl]

the more people that see this the better, but unfortunately wii boys are still blind:(:(

[MajestieBeast]

Im glad sony is just broading the fanbase instead of going completely after the casual gamer also cant wait to see ape escape and more footage from sorcery and heroes on the move.

[webeblazing]

i dont get it sony always had so called casaul titles and devices. wii always was the most ambitions and waited evrybody and kept doing them. and ms always use they money and software. just because these things came or are coming out lets not start acting like this is new. im happy sony aint trying the eyetoy again cause it sucked after it wasnt the new thing no more.

[tiamat5]

What stupid thing to say. I can't believe people are still spouting this trash. Is there some kind of time limit before everyone stops b’’’hing about the similarities between the Wii-mote and the Kinect and the Move. So there are suddenly restrictions on moving forward? Microsoft and Sony can't come up with a better solution to motion control over the Wii's glitchy outdated graphics? The reason why we made fun of the Wii-mote wss because Nintendo did nothing with it. Just like the touch screen on the DS. They fiddled with it,made no advances forward, it didn't even prove that the controller wasn't a better solution. And now Sony and Microsoft snatch the reins and try to make a better product, suddenly everyone's upset and accusing everyone of copying. Nintendo is like a child. They have something that they can barely comprehend or use to it's full potential but when the grown ups take it away to do something serious with it, they cry and stomp their feet

[Seferoth75]

Thing is Sony didnt come up with a better solution. They copied Wii in more ways than just the design. They are relying on their naive fan base to buy what they dont know anything about.
I even like how you associate the graphics with the accuracy of the controller. Only a Sony fan would think that was credible.

Just because you choose to ignore everything they've done with Wii and its controller doesnt mean Sony made a better one.
It would be nice to meet someone who backs Move with facts instead of fanboy logic.

Judging by your post the only one crying here is you and it seems the things being said are beyond your ability to comprehend.

[n4gno]

" naive fan base"

lol, a nintendo fan saying that :)

by the way, you don't know what you are talking about, sony do it before the wii on ps2, and now, it's a better motion controler, on a better console, the kind of thing smart gamers can't ignore.

"Lets be serious
If Wii never came out, Sony and MS wouldn't be doing motion"

that one is funny too, sony is doing motion controlers since more than 10 years (ms also had a "siasix" like, 10 years ago)...don't remake history uneducated kidtendos ,)

[strickers]

The graphics will not effect accuracy but the maths crunching Cell chip just might and you can't ignore the better physics and lighting improve games in general but physics matter more in Motion games.
The Move is more accurate though,we're hearing this everywhere.
Your wild claims are the ones without merit.
The use of Move in "proper"games may also be what appeals to PS3 gamers.
The thing that's interesting me is that journos I respect are backpeddling and saying how much they like Move now(PSM3,Techradar,Greg Miller at IGN).These people were skeptics.

[keysy420]

we as gamers know that nintendo comes up with all the new stuff and the others copy. sony comes up with hardware that others copy like dvd in the machine and blu-ray

[B_Rian89]

how many times will we see this same story

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[djfullshred]

It's really quite simple. The new toys from MS & Sony are to get into the kid's game demogrpahic. That makes good business sense. But let's get real, there is no need to hype these toys up as anything more than the casual game interfaces they are. There is nothing to criticize for the companies wanting to offer these products either, but it is ridiculous to keep seeing the spin that these things are going to make everyone want to start jumping around their living room when playing video games. Yeah, you hardcore gaming motion control players can get yourself all tired out, while I shoot you with no more effort than a twitch of my thumb. ;-)

[AWBrawler]

If Wii never came out, Sony and MS wouldn't be doing motion, and heck Wii wouldn't be doing it if Miyamoto didn't look back at the original blue prints for gamecube and the Powerglove

[ndibu]

So let me get this right, you guys didn't have a problem with Wii motion-controls, you had a problem with the lag and inaccuracy and the fact that it was not HD? Oh I see...so where did all that talk about not wanting to waggle and flail about come from? Better yet, now that your hardcore gaming device of choice has motion controls, where did that talk go?

[dale1]

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