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Sony Move and Microsoft Kinect Are a Wii All Over Again

4 Years into the Wii’s life and Sony and Microsoft have finally reached that special place that the Wii has capitalized in, called ‘motion control gaming’. Microsoft’s new motion system ‘Kinect’ is probably a step up from what Nintendo introduced to the world 4 years ago, but nothing revolutionary. Sony’s Move on the other hand, is a complete replica of the Wii with...

Lucent Beam5060d ago

I think anyone can see that. No offense to that article but it was all kind of common sense. Kinect is something totally different from Wii.... and it will most likely fail for being too restrictive in terms of what kind of games can be played on it. And Move is like a WiiHD+. I don't get if the author was trying to be insightful or what, but like I said... everything he wrote was just common sense.

Chupa-Chupa5060d ago

Appreciate your comment. Although going to E3 made it clear that Sony and Microsoft is really focused on this motion control system, and sort of bringing the less gamers along with it. It is nothing revolutionary. It's just funny to read and hear people hate on the Wii, then BAMM! Wii all over again. 4 years too late you think?

Takoulya5060d ago

Except that Move is getting real hardcore game support. Its precision and accuracy cannot be matched by the Wii, nor Kinect. SOCOM 4 and KZ3 are just examples of great games that are using Move properly. Kinect has no hardcore game support, and Wii's support is minimal. I'm not saying that the Wii doesn't have great games, I'm just saying that the amount of real, core gamers' games are low. I don't expect Nintendo to revolutionize their own finished product either. It would require a complete hardware change. Move is bringing in what the real gamers want and are interested in, and that's the reason I place it above the rest.

Seferoth755060d ago

Takoulya,
It's sad that you actually believe that. Move is not more precise than the Wii. There are no accuracy issues with the Wii remote in FPS. Move is a camera tracking a single sensor, Wii has a camera tracking 2 sensors. Wait... Your whole point about it being more precise is based off Sony using it in its own FPS franchises while Nintendo doesnt have any to use theirs in except Metroid?

So far you are proving me right that the only people interested in Move are completely ignorant of how it and the Wii work and what they offer.

Army_of_Darkness5060d ago

the only reason I hated on the wii was because the graphics were last gen and isn't even HD... the actual motion control part was a good idea to get Lazy gamers a little more active once in a while....

Nathaniel_Drake5060d ago

But these can be used for hardcore gamers, it's actually both now for the PS3, also the 3rd party support is much better on the PS3 so you will get much more games on it using the Move. It's just another addition to the Playstation family that adds more games, and isn't that what gaming consoles are about adding more games?

Anon19745060d ago

The Wii's success has more to do with it's initial price point than the motion control. With Sony and Microsoft duking it out with their high priced systems, Nintendo stepped right in with a cheaper offering and a ready cast of recognizable characters that are proven to sell games.

Don't get me wrong, motion control seemed fresh and probably pushed some people off the fence to try something new, but we'll see with Move and Kinect just what type of appetite gamers really have for motion control.

AWBrawler5060d ago

He obviously never played the conduit, Metroid, or an other shooting game on Wii. And Wii does have a shooter of their own coming: Sin and Punishment 2

Jaces5060d ago

Not true. Wii has no camera, the controller has two image sensors (lights) that are detected by the sensor bars own infrared lights.

The fact that MOVE has an actual camera to track movements already proves that it's capable of more precise gameplay. It's much more than wiiHD. Hope I wasn't too ignorant for you.

n4gno5060d ago

sepherote don't know what he is talking about (just look at ign previews for move), it's not only a wiimote for the best console (with the best library), it's also more sophisticated (more possibilities), more accurate, wireless, with eye toy (kinect father)...

every real gamer can see why it's way more exciting than wii, even if wii is enough to satisfy children and grand mothers (with bowling, etc)

rockleex5060d ago

Sony also restricts the amount of titles using the same basic concepts and premises to force developers to not just release shovelware over and over again.

Read any hands-on preview of PS Move and you'll notice how the precision, accuracy, and lack of lag is ALWAYS mentioned.

And like others have said, we'll finally be able to use an accurate motion controller with HD games once PS Move comes out. >:D

Delive5060d ago

My perspective, I never really hated on the Wii, more like Nintendo's direction. I got a Wii with hopes of this revolutionizing my gaming experience. The motion was interesting at first, but the gaming experience that went along with it did nothing to light my fire. The lack luster tsunami of games meant to entertain the casuals only drove me away after each game I spent money on was sub par to my Gamecube experience. This was Nintendo's strategy, their direction. This is exactly what turn me off.

With the Move and Kinect, your console is not based off the motion control. You still have the same experience with the high quality titles left and right that work with standard control. They just took the Wii and learned from it's mistakes (Which Nintendo also did with the Wii Motion Plus) and made their products excel where the Wii-mote had not. Their approaches are a little different though. MS appears to be targeting the casuals more aggressively than Sony is. I see Kinect as an enhanced produce targeting the same audience as the Wii, while the Move is an enhanced product trying to cater to both the core and casuals. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

4 years too late? I wouldn't say that. It's an evolution in gaming. N came out with something and is making money like crazy on it. Cheaper production cost and quicker output equal massive profit, and the casuals don't seem to mind the shovelware. It would only be smart to try to gain some of the market share in the casual area. These new devices take that and make it better, more accurate and advanced, moving motion controllers forward, while still supporting their core audience that got them where they are now.

Takoulya5059d ago

I know how the Wii works, and how it plays. I had one until I traded it to get a PS3. Games Call of Duty: World at War were imprecise and aggravating after an extended period of playing. You would get cheaply killed because of imprecisions. Also, the Wii would make it so the screen stopped moving if the controller got even just above the pointing radius. Move tracks movements outside the radius, and basically everywhere the sphere is detected. All the Tech Demos of Move prove its superiority. I'm not dissing the Wii, it's great, but Move is technologically more advanced, and much more useful for people who want a real hardcore gaming experience.

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Shang-Long5060d ago

its not so much common sense. since not everyone knows about it. but i get what your saying.

to be fair on the subject both are not anything new and just upgrades of a older device. ( wii mote, pseye. ) while people will buy into both products. i don't (and im sure im not the only one) think either will have the effect The wii did.

then again a lot of people believed the wii wouldn't do well and it did. so just like everything else. only time will tell

BannedForNineYears5060d ago

Isn't this all actually the webcam all over again?
Or actually....A camera all over again?
Isn't this technology all over again?
Isn't everything everything all over again?
o.O
-mind explodes-

gamingisnotacrime5060d ago

on HHG site says otherwise, it looks tremendous

Nathaniel_Drake5060d ago

Not Kinect that's a Eyetoy all over again, and even so for the move it seems it can be used in a much better way with better response and better graphics and can be used on games the Wii can't even touch like Heavy Rain or Killzone. Or a new game such as that flashlight horror game, which looks much better.

Imallvol75060d ago

I am dissapointed in MS and Sony for pursuing motion control Spend all that time and money on BS motion control. The Wii has saturated the casual market. I think they are both going to bomb.

Shang-Long5060d ago

agreed. but at least sony is giving a lot of hardcore support.

mrcash5060d ago

I just hope they implement it well. I personally can do without motion controls, as long as they never make it mandatory to play games with the "move" i'll be fine. It's all business, it was only a matter of time before ms and sony followed in nintendos footsteps,here's to hoping that some amazing games come out of it.

Pedobear Rocks5060d ago

working on motion control and video capture in their games since at least 2001 ... you want them to never try and recoup the cost of that R and D?

http://www.tawkn.com/?news_...

Meryl5060d ago

the more people that see this the better, but unfortunately wii boys are still blind:(:(

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv724d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle4d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18814d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio4d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning773d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga4d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv723d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19923d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21834d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga4d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan3d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit3d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus233d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv723d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier3d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan2d ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1014d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos4d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-3d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac4d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1014d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic4d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead3d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers5d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken4d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g4d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing4d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H94d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola4d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6694d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle4d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere5d ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN5d ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos5d ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN5d ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo5d ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies4d ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger5d ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic4d ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows904d ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger3d ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto5d ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos5d ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long5d ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel5d ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator5d ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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