Metal Gear Solid 4 and the Over Hyped Blues

Quote from the article:

"MGS4 since it's initial showing has been hyped as the definition of what a next-gen game is supposed to be. The last in the Metal Gear Solid series was going to be a master piece that defined the PS3 and gave credence to it's high price tag. The problem with that from the beginning has been that the MGS franchise has from it's roots never been a mass market property. Fans of MGS are a loyal hardcore bunch to be sure, but while the series started out with much promise on the original PSone -- it then slowly teetered into a complicated exercise of military morals and symbolism for life, that to this day many are still trying to figure out. Just what the fuck was MSG2 about? MGS2 drove a lot of the casual fans of the series away and quickly became a series that was only truly enjoyed by hardcore fans that had become almost intimate with the lore of the game."

Read the feature to see why this author feels MGS4 has hype riding on it.

[smart_head]

Well, someone was bound to talk negatively about the game. I guess I'm one of the hardcore fans of MGS.

[lesbiansonyfan-girl]

Thats the thing, smart head. You may be fan, but you are in the minority. I have been reminding people of how this series is not really that good from the beggining. But with all the sony fan-girls on here you attacked for that. But none of them have even played the games. Not many people have, look up the sales. The games in the past were boring and tireing but PS3 fans jump all over it to justify their systems even though they are not fans like you their just fan-girls who suck sonys balls. This game is not going to touch splinter cell for most people even though you might not prefer it. Splinter cell is a much more accssesible and fun than MGS to the general audience. People like DRTYSOUF below just don't get it. Why did he never play anothe MGS after the first one? Because it sucks, 2 was worse and three was the best of them all but it was still very much like busy-work. Nobodys bash the game because its sonys you ball licken fan-girl.
Just accept that the truth is the games suck and sony lovers are pathetic to hype this game so much, of cousre your all going to pretend you love this series and played them all. And the fan-girl agrees, for shame. I hope to get 50 disagrees.

[Armyless]

And it thusly gets published on N4G... And we all line up like ducks to comment on it.

Quack.

[vickers500]

@lesbiansonyfan-girl
Tell me halo is not overhyped, and that you are not sucking micro$oft off for the same game with prettier graphics. You have some anger issues if thats the first post you bring up here. Oh well, I guess nobody in your opinion can try a new game and like it, we all have to think like you because you're all knowing when it comes to video games. Let it go, and stop trying to fight a pointless war(console wars) and get a hobby besides bashing people you loser.

[peksi]

For the Nth time we're talking about a matter of taste.

[gaffyh]

I totally agree with smart_head I have played all MGS games so far since the PS1 version and the first one was fantastic, second one mainly focused on graphics (so story was bad). I think the third one redeemed the series. A lot of people say that MGS4 is the same game as previous ones but its not, the gameplay has evolved in every game, and the jump of what you can do from 3 to 4 is amazing.

I can't believe this got approved, there is nothing more over hyped than Halo, MGS hype doesn't even compare because it delivers on all fronts; graphically, increased abilities (meaning gameply is different), looks like a better story as it links to the first game (cuz Meryl is there).

[PistolPumptMonk]

lesbiansonyfan-girl.

i don't even know where to start. first of all, let me assure you i am not a sony fanboy (grew up with nintendo, play my fair share of halo) and i love all next gen systems equally. except 360 breaks too much (off topic). anyway, i felt compelled to create an account just to respond to your ridiculously stupid comment.

i will agree with a few points. mgs is NOT a series for casual gamers, and if they think mgs4 will make them care, they are wrong. but if you want a deep, compelling game with a story better than 90% of movies, play mgs 1,2, or 3. im not "claiming" to have played them all, i'm TELLING you i have played them all, multiple times, loving each one each time i play it. why don't you go ask ign.com, gamespot.com, psm magazine, egm magazine, or any other media source how much these games suck. don't make comments that just sound stupid with nothing to back them.

you are probably one of those people who sees the world through halo tinted glasses, and cannot accept anything beyond your shallow and light amount of brainpower. but don't criticize the best series of games of all time, and one of the most ingenious game creaters of all time.

look at the sales. look at the sales? are you KIDDING ME. i realize that, being a five year old, you may have just been born around the time of the release of mgs2, but i will inform you that that game was one of the most hyped and well selling games to come to the playstation 2 at such an early stage. the story doesn't "suck" its just VERY complicated and deep, and really only people who care alot about the serious should worry about it. its a magnificent marvel of gaming.

you have been saying the serious wasn't that good from the start? wow. congratulations on one of the worst comments ever brought into this world. i enjoy halo alot, its a fun game and i play it all the time with my friends online, but if halo and metal gear solid were pigs, halo would be the small big who can't get a place in to suck on the glory of metal gear solid (aka the mother pig). just go on back to playing your 5th, 6th, or 20th xbox 360 and leave the cool people alone. and buy a cooling fan, i hear they may cause your 360 to only break after 2 months instead of 1.

p.s. i have a life, i am a student at virgina tech, i have lots of friends, i work over 40 hours a week during the summer so please no comments about being a super nerd with no life blah blah blah. i don't need to hear it from you. just please try to sort your life out and leave metal gear solid out of this.

[drtysouf21]

because its a PS3 exclusive now people are trying to down play it and spin negative things about it. No matter what anyone says the game looks great and looks like it will be alot of fun to play. I think it will sell alot of copies along with PS3's. But everyone is entitled to their opinion. But it seems to me that he's trying to get attention by being pretty much the only person saying negative things about it hence the title and his second sentence which says "This article is surely going to piss off many, and perhaps maybe even make a few of you think." It didn't piss me off or make me think any differently no matter what negative thing i read about it my opinion still stands that it looks great and looks great to play will sell lots of copies and PS3's. And i only played the 1st Metal Gear Solid so i'm not a hardcore fan i'm a casual one and this will be a day one purchase for me.

[Maddens Raiders]

sums it up....of course on a much larger scale:

[Dr Pepper]

lol, while that may be a funny picture (Maddens Raiders), not getting MGS4 does not make me regret my purchase of a 360. It's a game that I can live without, even though it looks pretty cool.

[JIN KAZAMA]

dude, that pic made me laugh out loud at work!!! A few people turned around to look why I was laughing and I showed the pic to my coworker and he started cracking up!! that was hillarious.

The xbox 360 400 dollars, Gears of War 60 dollars, XBL 50 dollars, DLC for GTA4 50 million dollars.....turning on your 360 and getting RROD (which makes your 360)..........priceless.

[Blackmoses]

the funny thing is...the same thing could be said about any other game out there with a cult following...

It's a pretty pathetic attempt to garner attention from the masses. Truthfully...I don't know one "Gammer" after watching that 15 minutes of footage from the game, that would actually say that, "it's aight, may be a tad over hyped". C'mon are kidding me, the real reason you have people coming out of the woodworks seemingly drooling at the mouth over this game is because it jaw dropping.

This is the way a true gaming legend should go out in his final game. All the bells and whistles, all the little nuances that made this game so great with a touch of the new age gaming styles.

All the best ideas are revisions of an original. So if the Shooting mechanism resembles some other game then so what, he made it look ten times better.
Name one game with 100% complete original thought behind all of it's gameplay.....
...
..
that's right not a one. Not Halo, Not MGS4, not a one.
they have borrowed an idea here and there but this series and Halo has been used to death for ideas in plenty of other games. This article was nothing less than FlAME BAIT!!! Full of non-sense and a poor attempt to stand out and make a name for themselves.

[i Shank u]

now where's the one of Kutaragi drilling your sony butt?

[UJUSTLOSTONE]

This dude is a b*tch

whining about how he can't keep up with the series
get out of here.

When a I played MGS1 I felt like I was dropped in the middle of something of with no backhistory but I was able to catch on

Gimme a friggin break

There will always be naysayers, and haters, or people who don't like things for whatever reason

Look, my mom, who doesn't care for videogames, and barely understands what the internet is all about, Loves this damn game !

Believe dat

dummies

[Dareaver1]

MGS4 looks pretty but look at the stiff movements, the menu pop ups for everything. it's not intuitive at all. And then you have to look at the fact that instead of picking up a barrel and putting it on, one magically appeared, and then magically disappeared. that is not innovative at all. MGS4 has a lot to work out before it can be said to be a great and innovative game.

[Tsalagi]

You have to get adjusted to Metal Gear games. When i first tried MGS3 i hated it but after getting used to the new camo/healing stuff i loved it.

[Tesla]

If he wants to play something completely new, then maybe he should try some other game. What did he expect? That Snake is going to play football or go to cinema? For me, it is a superb combination of older games and new features. Oh, and if he is bothered with long cutscenes, then he should play Tetris. There are no cutscenes there, just gameplay.
People like him really piss me off.
Oh, and about MGS2. I hate it when people say that it's story sucks, just because they can't understand it.

[BaMYouRDeaD]

This guy must be really bored and lonely right now to sit down and try to spew out negativity about something like MGS. If he thinks it's over hyped, fine. But you can't deny the impact MGS has on PS consoles, and that millions of people around the world love this game.

Plus, this is someone's opinion, and isn't news.

[Elginer]

the writers point. I'm surprised actually anyone said anything. MGS has always been a niche franchise but know all of a sudden people are MGS fanboys. Similar KILLZONE 2 huh.

[xtcdukes]

Well, he called that one right. Apparently people aren't allowed to say anything against the fanboys flagship. He was stating an opinion and every single comment here had absolutely no redeeming value whatsoever. Just immediately insult someone's opinion without any recourse are what fanboys are known for. Personally I think he wasn't hard enough in his opinions. Way to think outside the box. It's a wonder new games that may stray from the norm of what so-called "gamers" think is worthy of playing are ignored. You all must have such a difficult time fitting through your front doors due to your enormously large heads.

and Tesla....I'll take Tetris over MGS any day of the week.

[Tesla]

It's obviously that he wrote that just so he can cause some controversy. Just because he can't understand the story, it doesn't mean that it is stupid. It looks to me that prefers those GUN-HO characters and stories, GoW, Black, Doom... You know: just go and kill everybody. I don't have nothing against that. But that doesn't give him the right to bash other things.

And, to let you know: I never use the Disagree button. I didn't hit it.

[Odion]

well he does have a point, while MGS is a freaking masterpiece, its like.... ok in movie terms its like

Sunshine of the spotless mind, its consider one of the top ten movies of all time, and to people who love movies they all agree its near perfect, but to the masses its just that weird movie.

MGS is like that, to core gamers it one of the best games ever easly, all the games are really great, but to the masses who just buy like Madden and GTA they think it freaking blows.

Again it doesn't blow, but it is a game made for gamers

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Just because you dont like what he says or feel his opinion is not valid does not mean it should not be approved. It's a legit story off a legit gaming site....approve and move on.

Argue the merits in here but dont try and squash legit posts becaus you feel its not inline with your opinion or it says something negative about your beloved game.

You agreed to be contributors and check storys to make sure they are valid, not duplicates, etc... Not to pass your own judgement on a story whether you like what is says or doesn't.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Please defend your "disagreement" here. I would love to hear what you have to say as to why you disagree with me saying you should not be "disapproving" stories just because you don't "like" what they say. PLEASE, PLEASE defend yourself.

[shirokishi]

While I understand the reports that have been posted towards this story, some of which I question since it is the opinion of one man of which I'm sure others who share his opinion would agree, I don't understand why the majority of you are saying this isn't news when it wasn't listed under news at all. It's an article (listed under article) of someone's negative perception of Metal Gear Solid 4, which he just so happens to believe is the same MGS mechanics with a nice cover over it, and should be readable (regardless of where you stand on MGS4 in general) to the general public even if it is negative.

So please. Regardless of your personal stance on this article, take it for what it is and discuss it.

[Elginer]

after MGS2 was a not a game played by the masses, it's still a select group of diehard MGS fans.

[SimmoUK]

MGS is a game played by the masses, always has been always will be you only have to see past software sales of MGS games to realise that, casual PS2 gamers all know of MGS and we all know how many PS2's got sold don't we ;)

Wow a disagree already, you disagreeing cause you don't know how many PS2's got sold, over a 100 million it crushed the competition, why because of a varied amount of software in all genre's, Phil harrison knows what he's doing always has...

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Ok, so I totally get your point. I see what you are saying and I personally agree with you that MGS series has definitely helped PS2 sales in the past. So you made your point here ..in the comments.

My question to you is. Why did you report this article and try and get it not approved as "Lame"?

[SimmoUK]

Because the article was totally one sided, it doesn't do anything but try and slate the game, Kojima is well respected in the industry from his past performances, it's like people doubting Polyphonic and other studios it's just a joke...

For example Mass effect is a game that doesn't interest me, but that doesn't meen that i don't think it's got good graphics and it will appeal to the sci-fi audience and the xbox fanbase in general...

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Ok, I again see what you are saying. The article definitely is an opinion peice by the writer. But I would submit that all previews and reviews of games are ALL opinion peices. Just because one is highly respected doesn't mean one is above critisism or critique.

As you pointed out Mass Effect, I will say this. I have no doubts that somewhere out there, there will be one, two ...heck many journalists who will find fault with that game in a preview etc. And those articles should be posted just like this one. We can all debate the merits of the article in here....but the words of legit stories should be seen by all and not subjected to approval based on opinion.

Lastly, I would like to say I am not wanting to bash you for your opinion. You are entitled to it. I just want to make sure that those of us who are contributors and can approve/disapprove stories are doing it for the right reasons and not the wrong ones.

[Tempo]

It's his opinion..get it yet? If the fans which u speak of (including yourself) love metal gear that much HIS opinion shouldn't be worth much. Now that guy whitey [shiro]put forward a well consturcted question on why you and others didn't want this approved, i was expecting you or the other metal gear fans to show him the same courtesy in a response, rather than a waay-out of left field rant.

[SimmoUK]

Ok Dlacy fair points well constructed reply there, i just think the article is totally one sided i.e a rant at the game, but like you said im entitled to my opinion thus you are to, I think the industry is very split up in tastes in general at the moment, certain people who prefer one console over another is because of the software they offer to that platform, personally I think Sony has a better line up of games this fall even though I own a 360 as well, just because I like the line up, what people should know is not to underestimate what Sony knows and what they are telling us, they have an advertising plan and a busniess strategy, yes they were later thus getting hounded by the press but they will reveal when they consider right, a compan is ownly as good as there last showing and Sony has alot more to bring to the table with so many inhouse studios, equalling exclusive games for there platforms, they were later but they doubled there inhouse, I have trust in who they are working with as past history tell's us to and eventually they will show all the goods, when that happens the bad press wil disapear and the people that were to early to judge them, will be made to feel small...

[Husso]

4/6 million seller in not niche.

[RussianSniper]

Someone's mad about not having a PS3...

Seriously, this guy is out of his mind if he's downplaying MGS, you don't see him downplaying Halo now do you?

No, lets just make the game look bad so I feel better...

[fopums]

but MGS4 does deserve a good portion of its hype, the confusing story being a negetive is a moot point. if you dont like the story thats your problem not hideo's.

I love the almost ridiculous plot twist's and double crossing between shadow governments. and cmon David Hayter saying metal gear is classic..
"METAL GEAR!?"

now if he wants to try and bring down a game thats over hyped well....lets just say that guy sports an orange visor and likes to wear green...

[calidredz]

Not much has changed and after MGS 2 I was done. The 20 minute cutscenes were just too much for me also. The stealth gameplay is fun for sure but the story was at least 30 percent of the game, I had no interest in playing 3 at all. This looks to have the same core gameplay but being I did miss 3 I think I can handle another MGS.

[Elginer]

has been hyped but no where near the level of MGS4, not was anyone expecting anything else but more HALO. With MGS4 I think a lot of people were expecting a hell of a lot more.

[Mucudadada]

has a case of the "I'm pissed and pouty because I did not buy the PS3" Blues. :(

[WHEELEDWARRIOR]

You know, if it were Halo, the Halo fans would be out seeking this guy's blood... if he were talking about Final Fantasy, those fantards would be ready to jam a stake through his heart...

The fact of the matter is that this guy's opinion is on MGS this time and here come all the rejects who simply can't accept someone's opinion on the matter, instead taking their time to vent and attack him for what is, as he says himself, his own opinion.

I really don't give a rats ass if the series did anything for Sony or the Playstation - the bottom line is that the guy has a good point, but you people don't care, as you're content playing the latest rehash of a game you previously played on another system with a shinier gloss of paint and a brand-spanking new storyline. Seriously, it's the ignorant jackassery that spews forth from the mouths of idiots like you who come out to attack people that might offer a valid opinion.

KEY WORD BEING: OPINION

Some people love the series, others don't - period. If you're going to talk crap about someone about their opinion, why not try to offer up a fair and objective commentary that actually makes sense instead of trying to offset the piece with a "Witty"* retort having to do with Tetris or simply thinking the guy doesn't own a PS3...

Seriously, it's not that hard to come up with a valid arguement... you people are just too ignorant and uneducated to even try.

*"Witty" being used to denote "Retarded"

[RussianSniper]

But we gave our opinions about HIS opinions.

So why don't YOU stop talking crap about OUR OPINIONS?

This guy is crazy if he downplays MGS for hype when Halo is only revered by every xbox lover out there...

[Vojkan]

MGS 1 was definitely ahead of its time. For God sake it was on PS1 and ....just awesome!
MGS 2 was fine game too, it had confusing story but maybe after we finish MGS4 we will understand it than a little better, who knows. I remmber when Ryan Payton said that a lot of stuff was removed from MGS2 because of 9/11, there were some similarities with those terror attacks and that removed stuff made game seem incomplete.

MGS 3 is a MASTER piece, every one should play it.

[SimmoUK]

It's just a waste of time talking to some people on here, even though commen sense and history is slapping them straight in the face, some people deserve to hear I told you so, at first I was confused by some but then I worked out that they were just plain dumb...

[xtcdukes]

Ok, where in this article did it say that this was a factual account of the series and or game in question? Has anyone heard the term op-ed piece? That's what this is. If you look at the site more closely, Deeko is very opinionated, but entertaining. While some may not agree with the post itself, the most positive thing it does is provide discussion on the game and gaming in general, which is what the site is striving for.

Debate all you like, but slinging insults and pointless hate is why the uninformed hate the gaming community.

[THC CELL]

if u want to get into this

Gears of war was over hyped

MGS4 Dont knock it till u Try it.
yes i am upset it is not coming to xbox but im not going to Diss it.

[mikeslemonade]

MGS is the 3rd best selling PS exclusive behind GT and FF. GT and MGS define what next gen is. They both have done it during PS1, PS2, and PS3.

[Jamaicangmr]

So now where supposed to discuss an article based on some faceless characters personal opinion when clearly the rest of the world doesn't share it? Some are tryin waaaaaay too hard to put a negative spin on MGS4. Just give it up, it's a great series and MGS4 looks like it's gonna be an amazing game.

This is just another desperate attempt. but once again am sorry it's FAILED...

[Figboy]

is that whenever there's a negative MGS article, they always have to harp on MGS2, completely ignoring the fact that Metal Gear Solid 3 *COMPLETELY and truly rocked, and redeemed any ill will on the franchise (i was disappointed in 2, and i didn't think i'd touch a Metal Gear game again, but then i played the demo of 3, and thought it was awesome, so i bought it, and it's possibly the best in the series thus far).

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I have enjoyed past MGS games for the stealth. Played the MGS & MGS2 and mostly enjoyed but the twisted story of MGS2 kinda left me on the outs with the game. It just got a little too nutty for me.

That said...MGS is a great series regardless of my personal opinion about the story line and MGS4 does look fantastic. It will do great...and fans of the series and PS3 owners in general should have a great game on their hands when it comes out.

[sonarus]

Well am not gonna say this guy is a fanboy saying metal gear solid is staying firmly rooted while other stealth genres are moving on. But it pissed me off when he mentioned splinter cell. Splinter cell and mgs are completely different games. Splinter cell is a good stealth game but MGS is a great game period. Splinter cell does not match MGS in anyway. I have played and completed all the splinter cells and Metal gears to date. Splinter cell is one of those games that comes out every year or so with just adding one or two things you can't say the same about MGS. MGS is the greatest stealth action game of all time. It may not appeal to casual gamers like he said but i truly don't believe that was his intention. A lot of great movies don't appeal to casual movie goers but you still cannot deny their greatness. Same is said for MGS. Forget killzone forget halo. MGS was the most important factor into buying my ps3. Other games played their part(GT, god of war) but MGS was the most important. If MGS dropped on a pc that required 2grand to play i would sell all my consoles to get it. Thats what MGS series means to ME.

Guys like this can talk and talk but they can never take away the greatness that is MGS

[WHEELEDWARRIOR]

Hell, I'd be insane not to - because what you're offering for "opinions" are nothing more than attacks on the guy's viewpoint rather than actually rebuttals.

For example, here was RussianSniper's comment:

"Someone's mad about not having a PS3...

Seriously, this guy is out of his mind if he's downplaying MGS, you don't see him downplaying Halo now do you?

No, lets just make the game look bad so I feel better..."

That's a valid opinion? Someone's mad about not having a PS3? Seriously, that's the single most stupidest thing I've read so far and it was echoed by another member not too long after, at least in terms of sentiment. Rather than engage in an actual debate where some actually interesting comments are made, your best retort is that the guy doesn't own a PS3...

Brilliant!

Sorry folks, but if the best you can come up with is some stupid one-liner denoting how vapid you are when it comes to trying to engage in thoughtful conversation about a game then don't bother posting.

As for his stance on the series, I'm sorry, but it's almost like every other damn series out there that gets a third or fourth sequel - after a while, you expect more out of a series apart from graphic updates and such. Considering this is next-gen, one would think that something amazing would come about that would help redefine the experience, but everything we've read so far seems to indicate the opposite. While Killzone seems to be jumping ahead by leaps and bounds over it's predecessor, MGS doesn't seem to be trying very hard. Sure, the proof is in the pudding, but right now the pudding isn't looking all that great. Kojima is a brilliant person, sure, but now I understand why he didn't want to go forward with the series, instead wanting to focus on new stuff.

[Lumbo]

What you keep on completely missing is the authors PAST "oppinion" on MGS4 (as long as he thought it would come to 360) and PS3 in general. Mike Torres is a vivid PS3 hater and he praised MGS4 as long as he thought it would come to the xBox. The moment they said on E3 that it won't he switched his "opinion" to "bahh, mgs4 is only hype and a bad game all in all, its just the same with a different look". Also the same guy claims Halo3 is the bestestest game to come, ever. Seriousely, the same guy claiming mgs4 is only refining the old games, and hence BAD, but Halo3 while not even refining Halo2 gameplay is supposed to be the best game that could ever be ...

Thats what irks most people here, not that he talks sh#t about MGS, that would be ok if he had a valid point, wich he has not, but that he attunes his "opinion" simply on one fact: if a game is for the Xbox360, or the PS3. And in his little world everything for the 360 is beautiful and good, and everything on the PS3 is ugly and bad, unless its multiplatform aka also on the 360.

[THC CELL]

all i can say is were not going to have a Dead Cell on this one

[FirstknighT]

My cousin LOVED MGS2 and made me play it. But I stopped playing it after the first level because I absolutely hate tank controls. That was fine with Resident Evil with the ps1 but not acceptable for the ps2. So I don't know much about the MGS series.

From the recent gameplay videos I seen, the AI is a joke. For example...

1. Snake uses "octocamo?" in the middle of a room and lays on the ground. A soldier walks right next to him and doesn't see him.

2. Snake crawls in a barrel and rolls down a hill taking out 2 soldiers. The soldiers just stood their and didn't even react to the thundering sound of the rolling barrel.

MGS does look like alot of fun. But it looks like it's intended for children. Busting out a dirty magazine while in the middle of battle to "heal" yourself is a clever idea if I was a 12 year old. I prefer more realism in the stealth genre like Splinter Cell.

Personally I thought the recent gameplay videos were disappointing.

*Don't just click on disagree...tell me why, don't be afraid*

[sonarus]

Well i can agree with you on the fact that from the gameplay video the A.I. is a joke but keep in mind that was not the purpose of the demo. The demo was to show the different game play advances which they did to my enjoyment. You may not appreciate them because you didnt play MGS2 and 3 but those of us who did will. MGS series has always had excellent A.I. so even if they use they same A.I. from 3 it will be fine. So dont consider that to be representative of the final gameplay. I can totally understand why you would see it this way too. The A.I. sucked in many areas but like i said MGS 3 and 2 A.i> was excellent so am not really worried.

Why is everyone all of a sudden now hating on MGS. You cannot deny the game looks awesome so whats the deal. There is no stealth action game that looks better than MGS4 and like always it will set the standards for all stealth action games going into the future.

[Bathyj]

Dude, this game isn't realism. Its quasi-realism. Its a game where a spy hides in plain view under a cardboard box or lays in a pool of ketchup to fake being dead. Its almost like a comic book. Look at the names in it. Solid Snake, Revolver Ocelot, Vulcan Raven. You cant take it too seriously if you want to enjoy it.

As for the AI, MGS AI has always been excellent and in the game you are really able to play around with the enemies minds. You can tackle any situation any number of ways and that thanks to all the different reactions you can get from the AI.

Yes he's lying on the floor in plain view, but with the cammo he's supposed to be invisible and they cant see him. Obviously he's not to us because it would be too hard from a gameplay point of view to get right behind someone if you couldnt see him. Its the same reason enemies dont see 3 big green lights stuck to Sam Fishers face. They need to be invisible to the Ai but visible to us.

This game actually looks the most accessible of the series for newcomers to me. Everyone with a PS3 has to try this game and I bet 95% that do will buy it.

[macalatus]

@FirstKnight,

If you want realism, how about this: How the hell can a man hide in the dark with those "three green glowing things" (NOTE: For all the super-senstive 360 fanboys, I'm referring to the GREEN glow of the night vision goggles)and still not be seen by the enemy? It's apparent that this game has no clue in military tactics (it's called "light discipline"). Look, in real life, even the dumbest bad guy could see "three green lights" hiding in a dark corner.

[FirstknighT]

Well like I said before I don't know much about MGS so from what I seen in the past...it looks kinda silly. Maybe if I played this game back in the NES days than I would have a closer relationship to the franchise but I didn't. I'm sure that is why alot of people will play this game. It's like their baby...Seeing their baby grow up from the NES days to now.

But cmon...taking out a dirty magazine while in the middle of battle to heal yourself??? This game is surely intended for children. This game should be categorized as a good ole fashion arcade game....not stealth.

[ApocalypseShadow]

it also defined stealth action.splinter cell didn't do it.it copied the DEFINITION of stealth.

even if it's a niche series,MGS helped put a brick on the wall of 100 million ps1 sales.

MGS 2 and 3 helped put a brick on the wall of 110+ million ps2 sales.

MGS4 will put a brick on the wall of 100 million ps3 sales.

[PS-Wii-60]

I'd hate to hear his opinions on Halo3 =/

Besides, successive sequels are always gonna be nothing more than an evolutionary step for the franchise.
You have to keep the core game, that's what it's all about.
Keep what works, refine it and add NEW elements.
After watching the 15min demo I think I saw more than enough changes AND additions that qualify it as advancing the series (and the genre! OctoCam Suit anyone?!)

There are exceptions to the rule; Resident Evil 4 and Tomb Raider: Legends both come to mind but, I don't think anyone honestly thought MGS4 was gonna go through such a drastic reformation. This is, afterall, the grand finale to a long running series; of course it's gonna stay true to the MGS world.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Only the hardcore wants metal gear solid that makes since to me. I lost intrest when everyone you killed kept coming back to life. Or better yet the story is so limited it shows a total lack of creativity. New Ips are what is going to keep the ps3 alive not a metal gear solid game that a 12-15 year old might find way to tedious just to hide, or attack a target. An example of the hardcore only game for xbox 360 is the splinter cell series.

There is a reason you only play with adults or mature teens in splinter cell. It is a tactical game that requires critical thinking, planning, and team cohesiveness that run'n'gun games lack. In halo 3 I could sneak in a base grab the flag all by myself and score it alone with little or no effort thanks initially to crouching stealth. In splinter cell infiltrating a enemy base with the multilude of detection equipment giving me away requires initial planning and a series of distactions just to make it into a base. Making it out is another adventure.

Games like this do not attract little billy and friends whom find jumping to their death or team killing as the most entertaining event. It attracts HARDCORE GAMERS with the need to play tactically and aggressively using teamwork. The most successful games unfortunately attract little billy and his dipshit kidde friends who all systematically team kill without being provoked. Adults will buy MGS and only adults. A good thing on-line but a bad thing in sales.

To anyone who hits disagree...what do disagree with?

[sonarus]

What the hell are you talking about. YOU wanted MGS before you found out it wasnt coming out on your console. All this anti MGS is begining to piss me off. This is like someone dissing mario as a great platformer when it is like the father of all platformers. MGS is the father of stealth action and the greatest one there is by far. If you say splinter cell is for hardcore only then i can argue so is gears of war and rainbow 6 and a whole lot of other games but these are still great games. MGS may be directed at the mature audience but this is their intention for you to think this will affect their sales in anyway is crazy. A good 80% of 360 and PS3 owners are above the age of 18 so for you to think not being for little billy will affect its sales or its ability to move ps3's is silly. The most succesful games this generation have all been mature rated so your reasoning is flawed homie

[mmike855]

This is a big game, and everyone knows there is a lot of story behind the history of Metal Gear Solid. To say this game is over-hyped is an opinion, and I wouldn't want to underplay it. However, this game series is historically, like Shigeru Miyamoto's masterpieces, a powerful and incredibly influential franchise. The hype is interest. We want more, and when it is a game we feel has potential, what is wrong with that? I am glad there are different experiences on each console, and think this is one title that will help the PS3 find its identity. Systems need defining, flagship titles. Metal Gear Solid will be one of those titles for the PS3. Hardcore fans and more "casually inclined" gamers will be drawn to the game for different reasons. Do I expect someone to leap from Animal Crossing to MGS4? No, but I do expect the game to sell millions, and continue to sell well long after it is released.

[Lumbo]

Hmm, www.deeko.com should simply redirect to www.xbox360.com. That would save people the hassle finding the propaganda they seek.

Mike Torres aka "i hate the PS3" strikes again. While in January he praised MGS4 fully believing it would come to the 360. Now MGS4 is a POS and all hype cause @ E3 it was announced it will be exclusive to PS3.

He even went so far as to call it bad cause it is "just the same game with a new wrapper". Originating from someone who wants us believe Halo3 is the 2nd coming of Christ does not make me believe his written slander any more than before. If Halo3 is so uber good, while basically being EXACTLY the same as Halo2 with some beefed up graphics, why is MGS4 only hype and basically a sh#tty game for the same reasons?

Seems to me based on the console the exclusive is for he changes his rating system, so anything on 360 is good, no matter what, and anything on PS3 is bad.

[Rythrine]

Sour grapes at its finest.

[23478ueyur_938223]

While if someone doesn't like the MGS series it's likely that they wouldn't like MGS4 either, I disagree with what he said about the game not having many new elements. The 3rd person aim, octocam, choosing sides in the battle, even the setting of the game is unlike what the past games have offered.

It's not unexpected that there would be someone with negative feedback for the game, and he is entitled to his opinion, but the unneeded profanity and declaring that "the majority of the press is fully erect and sucking on the proverbial tit of Kojima's latest endeavor" I would think is not a good way of having someone take you seriously.

I don't know anything about this editor so I can't comment on him having a biased opinion, but if what the poster above me said is correct, then that is utterly pathetic. Unfortunately a lot of people are like this; the interest of this game for those outside the PS3 circle died after the exclusivity was reconfirmed...I don't see why though. I'm still pumped for BioShock, even if it's a 360/PC exclusive.

Edit: Check out my other posts. It seems he is quite biased...

[PS360WII]

Well he seemed like he enjoyed being a writer. He kept talking about how it was his job and it's what he does and I'm here to make you think. He doesn't like the game-play because he doesn't like to go into the menu to use camouflage. I never had a problem going into a menu or two, heck I love rpg's those are menu glore! I can understand about the c/s for some people they just want to play the game, but as for me getting to a c/s in the game is like a big old checkpoint and you can sit back and relax to some cool little extra in the game. Also, it just seemed that he hates the idea of someone just walking into a store one day and picking up MGS4 because he saw a TV ad about it. That sounds a little bit like spite to me.

[Retro-Virus]

If Metal Gear Solid is all hype then so is HALO, Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy e.t.c

Great games deserve great hype. I don't know what the heck is he on but I will have some of it.

May be the author never sat back and tried to comprehend the complexity of MGS-2 only to realize what a genius Hideo Kojima is. The man's a gaming god and Solid Snake is one the most iconic characters ever created.

This is what happens when people who have an I.Q on the negative scale try to play and comprehend the paralell universe (i.e) METAL GEAR SOLID. It's more than just a game

Now go figure - Period !

[The great 1]

LET'S SEE THE XBOTS WANTED IT SO BADLY THEY CRIED FOR IT BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA GET IT, NOW THEY KNOW THERE NOT AND THERE CALLING IT SH!T TYPICAL YOU XBOTS ARE A DISGRACE TO GAMMING, THI GAME PWONES THE LIKES OF MASS EFFECT, ALAN WAKE, FORZA MOTORSPORT 2, TOO HUMAN ECT SO WHERE THE FUK DO YOU [email protected] GET OFF EH?