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The Jekyll And Hyde Of The Xbox 360

Microsoft splits its own market, but to what success?

Schizophrenic. That’s the first word that came to mind after watching Microsoft’s bizarre E3 conference. Ignoring the poncho-clad Natal Experience for a minute, the conference proper confused and befuddled before pulling the ultimate sleight of hand; chucking free Xbox 360 Slims at the audience.

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Anon19745490d ago (Edited 5490d ago )

This article nailed it. It's not so much Kinect itself, it's what it's up against. Like the article pointed out, this is an add-on, and an expensive one at that. With no hardcore support it's just an extra expense to the core 360 owners who have no reason to purchase Kinect while they could be playing Gear and Halo. Casual gamers are being asked to shell out extra cash on top of the price of the console to play essentially the same type of games they can get from the slimmer, more family friendly Wii. And then there's the appeal of everything Mario to the casual gaming/family orientated market.

And let's not forget that a 360 and Kinect bundle is going to cost you at least $299. What other console/fully featured Blu-Ray player do we know in that price range?

The odds are stacked against Kinect. Had it come out 3 years ago it might have had a shot, but now, up against this competition, there's no way it'll take off. Time might prove me wrong, but I just don't see it happening.

GreenRingsOfLife5490d ago

360 WILL indeed deliver now with the new SLIMMER version!

Inside_out5490d ago (Edited 5490d ago )

Kinect is for the casual gaming consumers...how many times do we have to say it...I got to work and a co-worker, who owns a PS3, asked ME if I saw the new M$ camera thing...He was freaked out...lol...talking to the 360...waving instructions...360 automatically recognizes your face and profile...he was impressed ans scared at the same time...

Every kid will want to play with Kinectanimals...anybody with children knows that...Ubisoft hit a home run with the yoga/exercise thing...That MTV dancing game...They are just getting started...Kinect releases in November, lots of time...M$ tried to show how versatile the 360 is...I think they did that...I

I have some questions about Fable and Milo...What happen to Lionhead?...Peter Molyneux usually won't shut up...I think the new direction at M$ doesn't include Lionhead...hmmm...Where was Crackdown...Kinect took up all the time...

@darkride...you don't have a 360...don't worry about it...Nobody knows how much the thing costs...Comparing Kinect to the Wii/Move is like comparing Tape to CD...Leave the hip cool stuff for the 360 crowd...

Biggest5490d ago

I have children. My 8 year old said "Wow. This is stupid, Daddy. Can I go outside?" My 3 year old said "I like tigers!" So the question now is. . . Do you spend $510 on an easy to break toy that a 3 year old will barely use? As a responsible parent I can say without hesitation. . . FUCK NO!

GreenRingsOfLife5490d ago

@Biggest. Would a responsible parent say "FUCK NO" ?

DigitalAnalog5490d ago (Edited 5490d ago )

You know, I'm led to believe you are one of the staff members on N4G JUST to keep the site hits coming. I hate to admit it but it's working.

-End statement

JackBNimble5490d ago (Edited 5490d ago )

Deliver what, wifi?What else does it have?

The difference between the 360 slim and the PS3 slim is only one thing.... the PS3 had a PRICE CUT.

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Paradise5490d ago

I really liked how you could control everything on the dashboard just by using your hands.

but that's about it. It doesn't seem like something I would use for gaming.

Rhythmattic5490d ago (Edited 5490d ago )

Every one demoing this before making gestures look like the kids from "Village of the Damned"

http://www.imdb.com/media/r...

What happens if I drink a Beer... Honest Question.

sgw_dec0y5490d ago

Speaking in terms of being a father I can see how Kinect would be ok. I have a very young son who really does not get how to use the Wii yet. But just wailing his arms around and running would be fine. To me it comes down to this... M$ is spouting this as the NEW BIG THING. Well show me the software that is new.. not redone Wii sh*t that we saw years ago.

Biggest5490d ago

Would you spend that kind of money on something that can be recreated by playing a silly song? My daughter would react the same to the credits of Toy Story 2. It's like buying a cardboard box. Everyone knows that young kids can entertain themselves for hours with one. But would you pay $150 for one?

JackBNimble5490d ago

I'll buy one (cardboard box) , my 4 year old loves them ...hahaha

mantisimo5490d ago

Bought Eyepet for my 3 kids last christmas (ages 5, 10, 14)

They each played seperately, hatched an egg, played for 3 minutes then asked to put whichever controller led game they were given for christmas on instead.

"But your eyepet will get ill and die" " "yeah yeah dad shuddup and make some cheese on toast while I kill Lozarovich" nice :/

come to think about it, it's actually like a real pet, "Dad can I have a rabbit, can I have a rabbit, can I have a rabbit, can I have a rabbit, can I have a rabb..." " YES YOU CAN!"

*a week later *

"Hey Skip, wheres Flopsy tail?"

"Oh I forgot to feed it and so she died, have you seen my PSP?"

Dsnyder5490d ago (Edited 5490d ago )

Microsoft has surely lost. E3. I dont even think Nintendo could screw this up like they normally do. No new games, awkward stuttering speakers, and embarassing presentation of Natal (I know its called Kinect but seriously that name sucks). Sony is going to have its day today. When they hit E3 its going to be a massacre. All those games to reveal. Its going to make Microsoft look like they have just been dicking around for the past year and they have.

V8SuperCars5490d ago

Awesome article, agree with every word.

Think MS screwed this one over, if they came out and showed Halo Reach, Gears 3 and even Assassins Creed Brotherhood all played flawlessly and smooth on the kinect MS might have had something going for them, showing stuff we have seen and played for the past 5 years on the PS2/PS3 and Wii was not impressive at all and to call it revolutionary was just funny.
And leaked price of $150 is the icing on a very bad un-risen cake LOL.

JackBNimble5490d ago (Edited 5490d ago )

If MS was able to integrate Natal/kinect in some aspect with the hard core games aswell as the kiddie games they showed then things would be much different.

Why does it have to be controllerless gaming? MS could have easily used controller/kinect for the hard core games. I think if they don't change things soon MS will find themselevs in some trouble unless they start pumping out good games for the hard core gamer.

EDIT: Now that MS will be focussing time and money on kinect will there be anything left for the hardcore gamer?

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Microsoft planning “major” Xbox layoffs next week

The cuts are expected to be announced next week.

Microsoft is also planning thousands of job cuts that will impact other parts of it businesses

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Obscure_Observer1d 21h ago

MFs has been beating their chests over great quarterly results and big profits to shareholders while firing people by the thousands just like Sony.

I wonder if at the top of those rumored layoffs they´ll also cancel upcoming or unannounced games while shutting down more studios as well.

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pwnmaster30001d 21h ago

Always got to throw shade at Sony smh.
Yes we get it,
MS good Sony bad
MS bad Sony is also bad lmao

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Obscure_Observer1d 21h ago

F* them both!

Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares.

Terry_B1d 20h ago

Yeah..its super annoying.

blacktiger1d 20h ago

He was talking about both. Why you getting offended when he's using both names

pwnmaster30001d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

@Blacktiger

Im not offended , that’s just his formula lol
He can’t help help himself, he needs to bring Sony down when the topic involves MS.
Whether is good news for MS or bad, it some how leads to Sony doing bad lmao.
It’s actually hilarious.

InUrFoxHole1d 14h ago

He's not wrong but im tracking what youre saying. In this case is should just be MS bad. Thats a lot of people fired

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Tacoboto1d 20h ago

"just like Sony"

Gosh you're insufferable, not everything needs to be both-sides'd. Sony's had layoffs, but nothing like what Microsoft has been doing and is continuing to do.

CrimsonWing691d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

I mean, no offense, but this is why you’re not some corporate business person running a major corporation. Big profits don’t mean jobs are safe. Do you understand why things like this happen:

Cutting jobs to maintain or increase profitability, especially in underperforming divisions like parts of Xbox like other gaming divisions.

Corporate restructuring and relocating resources for strategic stability in ever changing markets and consumer behaviors.

Investor expectations and optimizing operations to maintain investor confidence. Whatever boosts stock prices and improves future margins.

And there’s many other factors at play. It’s never as simple as business doing well, everyone’s safe. That’s just you not understanding at all how corporations work and have been working since the beginning. This isn’t something that’s specific to Xbox, you can bet your ass Sony and Nintendo do this and if it’s not clear by now, game development is not a stable job nor has it ever been for many. A lot of developers are contractors and guess what happens when a project is done?

Ganif1d 19h ago

Nintendo said they have no plans for layoffs, and you can't seriously claim that the scale of Sony's layoffs most of which involved Bungie which is self managed as even close to the same scale as what Microsoft has done since they purchased Zenimax. And that significantly less layoffs would have happened if those publishers had stayed independent. Keep in mind that much of these layoffs have been due to redundancies specifically related to these buyouts.

CrimsonWing691d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

@Ganif

Nintendo:

https://gamerant.com/ninten...

Sony:

https://gamerant.com/playst...

https://techxplore.com/news...

I don’t think it’s realistic to treat Sony’s layoffs as somehow outside the norm for the industry right now. Even if Bungie is self-managed, Sony’s cuts went far beyond that like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, London Studio being shut down completely, and multiple teams across the globe took hits. These weren’t just minor adjustments.

Nintendo, I had to look up and you’re right. They seem to be an outlier, but rest assured at some point it happens. And even then there’s been layoffs, albeit a smaller amount and contractors.

Would fewer layoffs have happened if studios from acquisitions stayed independent? Maybe. But even independents have been hit hard and look at what’s happened with Embracer’s fallout, or smaller devs like Digic, Roll7, or Volition. This isn’t just a “Microsoft problem” or strictly tied to acquisitions; it’s a broader correction happening across the whole industry, and unfortunately, layoffs are a big part of that process right now.

Ganif1d 18h ago

From your article:

"According to reports, Nintendo of America restructured its testing operations, leading to layoffs of about 120 contractors, part of a strategy for global integration.

Nintendo of America, publisher of iconic franchises like Mario and Zelda, is shifting some contractors to full-time roles for better development integration."

Contractors are not employees, and even if you want to count them as that, it's 120 people vs around 7500 since Microsoft purchased Zenimax.

In an era of game industry layoffs, Nintendo is hiring more people
https://automaton-media.com...

Nintendo Announces 10 Percent Pay Raise For Devs Despite Lower Profits
https://kotaku.com/nintendo...

Nintendo CEO’s refusal to layoff staff goes viral following industry-wide cuts
"Satoru Iwata took pay cuts to ensure staff didn’t have to be let go"
https://www.nme.com/news/ga...

And as for Sony you're comparing less than 1000 total jobs to an estimated7500

Has the industry faced layoffs, yes, but that still doesn't account for the mass layoffs due to redundancies that was easily predictable, or that fact that at least 1/3 of Microsoft's layoffs and studio closures happened before the industry downturn.

thorstein1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

Take the L, Crimson.

People hate Nintendo, but Ganif proved why they deserve support.

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-Foxtrot1d 20h ago

It's like banging your head off a wall, he just can't help himself.

Microsoft can do no wrong, Sony sucks at everything and Nintendo is bigged up because it's less hassle than trying to defend Microsoft all the time

What's going to happen when Microsoft finally turn completely third party, then what?

anast1d 20h ago

I enjoy Obscure. Obscure does good work.

crazyCoconuts1d 19h ago

Did you know that the first n4g was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

Tacoboto1d 19h ago

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if anast and osbcure were both alts for the Admin.

We know how Obscure especially drums up additional comments and clicks with his spam-worthy remarks that somehow never get moderated

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Profchaos1d 16h ago

Thats business present a strong front to your shareholders while your company burns around you.

Keep shareholders happy at all costs andnif not happy keep them numb to the reality of you organisation

Angyobangyo1d 8h ago

" Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares. "

Just for the record, you clearly you do if you have to vent this hard.

TheExecutioner1d 4h ago

Basically you think like kids when it come to choose between candy or chocolate.

Sonic18811d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

Are you and Anast the same person?

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AMD CEO Shares Vision Behind Xbox Partnership and Next-Gen Chip Roadmap

AMD CEO Lisa Su talks about the Xbox AMD partnership, next-gen Ryzen + Radeon chips, and AI rendering tech coming to all Xbox devices.

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AMD is really building hype around their unique partnership with Microsoft to help and build an advanced and seamless Xbox ecosystem across all Xbox consoles and devices.

I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimized chips" though? Seems ambitious.

Next year´s Xbox Showcase already looks promising and exciting. Here´s hoping they deliver.

InUrFoxHole6d ago

They had best show 3yrs in a row. Heading for another

VenomUK6d ago

Obscure_Observer said “I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimised chips" though? Seems ambitious.” To me, I interpret this to mean rather than having a couple of X/S products for launch and a handheld there is a longer term plan to release new products with higher specs at timed intervals. I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec.

Agent755d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games.

KwietStorm_BLM5d ago

It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever.

Ganif5d ago

Correct.

"Sony's PlayStation 6 reportedly will feature an AMD semi-custom APU with a Zen 5 CPU and UDNA GPU, capable of 4K 120FPS and 8K 60FPS gaming. The console will include X3D cache and advanced AI upscaling technology."

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Obscure_Observer5d ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever."

I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released.

Notellin5d ago

You should have just lead this comment with the fact that you have zero understanding of technology in the consoles and instead have a Toms Hardware online forum level of education.

Obscure_Observer2d ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever"

I´d told you were on some bs

https://www.pcgamesn.com/wp...

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Agent755d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games

Obscure_Observer5d ago

@VenomUK

"I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec."

Very interesting theory. Still not sure how MS would actually make it work.

KwietStorm_BLM5d ago

"I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released."

How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is.

Obscure_Observer4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

"How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is."

Dude, what I know for certain is that a tech as old as X3D chips which is actually *older* than both PS5 and Xbox Series consoles, is hardly the reason behind this new partnership between AMD and MS to build new *custom silicon* for next generation of consoles.

And yes it´s a huge announcement since AMD is working closely with MS to co-develop custom SoC which will allow backwards compatibility across all MS´s next gen devices allowing seamless integration between devices and full backwards compatibility across all generations of Xbox consoles.

I also know is that this announcement don´t have anything to do with Playstation and their strategy with AMD for the PS6, so stop comparing the two pretending that you know what´s going on, because you clearly don´t.

If Sony is working on something remotely similar, that´s remain to be seen.

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Fishy Fingers6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Some odd, deliberate wording, no branding, not 'Xbox consoles, Xbox handhelds' specifically, feels and sounds like they're building towards hardware that anyone can be used or licensed to/by themselves and other manufacturers.

Multiplatform software and hardware 'Xbox/AMD APU'.

Obscure_Observer6d ago

I guess you missed Sarah Bond´s next generation Xbox announcement this week, were she clearly states:

"I´m thrilled to share that we´ve established a strategic multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including, *our* next generation *Xbox consoles*."

But hey, I don´t think you´re entirely wrong, maybe MS will build their own Xbox consoles while licencing other manufactures to build and sell their own Xbox branded consoles. Who knows

BeHunted6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I think you watched the wrong video. It's below the description, or you can watch it directly on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/kprpRvsOua...

HyperMoused6d ago

Shares vision....we provide chips for money, this deal will sell many chips, we will make lots of money...good vision

Christopher6d ago

The marketing behind this is so heavy that I worry about the actual outcome. Why are they just not showing us the product, why all this talking in market speak?

Lightning776d ago

Probably because the next xbox isn't ready to release yet?

The marketing and rumors seem to be heavy out of no where. The rumor was a 27 release but it maybe it could be 26 new console launch instead.

Who knows.

Eonjay5d ago

There PR is alrways super heavy handed. No one is acutally buying an Xbox as is.
Also it is very early to be talking so much about a next gen console.

Obscure_Observer5d ago

There´s a lot of people interested on Xbox Next and its ability to run games from major stores like Steam.

We know that the PS6 is just around the corner as well, but so far, no news on what it might improve over the PS5 or PS5 Pro.

However, Sony already made public that their priority and actual focus is the PS6. So its not "very early" to talk about next gen when the very console manufactures are talking about it.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198124d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK24d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts24d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK24d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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