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Natal: The Price Is Wrong

We’re gamers, and so generally the kind of people who like to live at ‘the cutting edge’ of new technology. We’re more than happy to embrace new concepts and more often than not we’re the first to race out and get our grubby little hands on any new electronic toys and gadgets. Most of the time we think nothing of the cost but simply delight in their shiny factor and the joy of doing things in new ways.

So why then does the thought of shelling out $149 for Microsoft’s Project Natal leave us so totally cold?

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Al Bundy5508d ago

Natal, come on down!!! You're the next contestant on The Price is WRONG!!!!

Inside_out5508d ago ShowReplies(1)
GWAVE5508d ago

Spend $150 (rumored) on a camera used for casual games, or just buy a Wii? Or just buy several 360 games. Or buy several 360 controllers. Or buy a DSi. Or a PSP.

It's tough for any gamer to really justify this.

JokesOnYou5508d ago (Edited 5508d ago )

The same site that were all over rez difference of FF then when RDR was found to be subhd for ps3 suddenly they come out with Why Screen Resolution Doesn't Matter.

The majority of headlines from this site seem to be nothing more than tailor made BS from the comments section of n4g:

Ex-Microsoft Studio Boss: 'Natal Will Fail
Why Screen Resolution Doesn't Matter
Five Features The PSP2 Needs To Beat The DS
8 Reasons Why LittleBigPlanet 2 Will Be The Best Game Ever
I Only Buy Call Of Duty When The Year Is An Odd Number. Who’s With Me?
Black Ops Down
Bungie Deal: Winners and Losers
E3 2010: 360 Vs PS3
Top 5 Third Party PS3 Titles That the 360 Needs
Why Half-Life episode 3 will never appear on PS3
Is Alan Wake The 360's Heavy Rain?
Where's The 360's God Of War?
Where Are All The Create-'em-ups On Xbox Then?
Is Heavenly Sword Better Than God Of War III?
Natal: Resigned To Failure?

-This definitely does seem to be a fanboy blog that favors ps3, but their not above writing flamebait for either, as long as the headline will get them hits from n4g....sort of like HHG without a videocamera. lol

"Nowgamer; Will the site ever write some real news?"
http://n4g.com/news/526249/...

-Also no price is confirmed and until E3 nobody knows whats coming for Natal.

JOY

JD_Shadow5508d ago (Edited 5508d ago )

"Ex-Microsoft Studio Boss: 'Natal Will Fail"
Ask the Ex-MS boss about why he said that. It's not the site's fault. You're only blaming the site for reporting it. You didn't want them to tell us that he said that.

"Why Screen Resolution Doesn't Matter"
RDR PS3 had exclusive DLC. Stuff like that seems to make screen res moot. On FF13, where a lot of compromises happened due to the multiplatform announcement, you bet your ass it matters.

"Five Features The PSP2 Needs To Beat The DS"
Don't see anything wrong with that.

"8 Reasons Why LittleBigPlanet 2 Will Be The Best Game Ever"
Some others would believe that LBP2 might just be the "best game ever".

"I Only Buy Call Of Duty When The Year Is An Odd Number. Who’s With Me?"
Bases on that Treyarch made the odd numbered CODs. Criticism about the dev teams.

"Black Ops Down"
Not clear what this headline refers to.

"Bungie Deal: Winners and Losers"
Not the only site that did this.

"E3 2010: 360 Vs PS3"
Just about EVERY gaming site is making E3 articles similar to this one. You're going to blame THIS site because you don't like them, but excuse everyone else (you do this by simply LISTING this headline)?

"Top 5 Third Party PS3 Titles That the 360 Needs"
So...you're admitting that MS DOESN'T need to buy-out/convince/whatever to third parties to make PS3 third party exclusives to go multiplatform? If people complain WHEN something like that happens, you would say how big of PS3 fanboys we were FOR bitching about it.

"Why Half-Life episode 3 will never appear on PS3"
They may be wrong on this, but we all know how Valve is.

"Is Alan Wake The 360's Heavy Rain?"
They are talking in terms of hype, quality, and whatnot. Do you NOT want it to be the 360's HR? HR was an incredible game.

"Where's The 360's God Of War?"
"Where Are All The Create-'em-ups On Xbox Then?"
Two very valid questions to ask after seeing Modnation Racers, LBP, and God of War.

"Is Heavenly Sword Better Than God Of War III?"
HS was VERY underrated.

"Natal: Resigned To Failure?"
This is what some people do believe about Natal.

The thing is is that you're bringing what I think are valid questions to ask about things and something that could be (whether or not we like to hear it), and calling them flamebait because you don't want to hear THIS headline. The price tag IS wrong, and I wasn't interested in getting this BEFORE!

Oh, and MCV seemed to CONFIRM the price point. It was not seen as a rumor.

JokesOnYou5508d ago

You're missing the point, every site does a bit of negative speculation every now because sometimes reporting negative news is a part of being a professional but "nowgamer" has boatloads of "made for n4g headlines"...just look all these headlines a within a month or so.

Take a look at all the flamebait spewed here on n4g and you will see that many of the headlines from this site are tied to the comments section of n4g, more respectable/bigger sites like IGN, joystiq, gamespot etc tend to just do previews, interviews, cover announcements, general gaming news, and most importantly just provide the facts in such a way that they are INFORMING THEIR READERS instead of the constant editorialized propaganda, which is more often slanted in a negative fashion one way or the other. Hell besides the headlines reading some of the content its like it was written by a n4g memeber with the obvious talking points. Also they "seem to confirm" and "confirm" are different which basicly means its not confirmed until micro does, but really I'm its not a big deal just something they should point out if their interested in making an accurate news article, at any rate my main point is that this site is all about fanboy rhetoric= generating hits from n4g. That's fine, they're well within their rights to do so, however for me any site that seems to cater to n4g fanboy discussion's on a consistent basis aren't very creditable, much like HHG, who I personally like because I admire him for following his passion, however I just don't take his journalistic critique of gaming very seriously.

JOY

Denethor_II5507d ago

@JOY So you don't like the PS3?

Mo0eY5508d ago

Ahhh, Nowgamer is doing damage control. There's a reason Microsoft has the label M$. :]

Sarcasm5508d ago

"We’re gamers, and so generally the kind of people who like to live at ‘the cutting edge’ of new technology"

Well isn't that far from the truth. Or else there wouldn't be 35 million 360's sold worldwide.

MNicholas5508d ago

since they took out the 3D processor last year and moved 3D processing to the Xbox360 CPU.

How much does a webcam go for these days?

cryymoar5508d ago (Edited 5508d ago )

you can get an Eyetoy from Gamestop and use it as a PC or PS3 web cam for $2.99.
that's how cheap web cams are now days.

Microsoft is gona charge you $100+ for a redesigned Eyetoy rip off.
PASS!

sikbeta5508d ago (Edited 5508d ago )

You're talking about the Eyetoy for PS2 or The PS-Eye for PS3? Cos the 2 are Different...

The Eye for PS3 is Better than the Eyetoy, as far as I know the PS-eye cost $35/$40, but there is Always Eye-Pet Bundled with the Eye for $60...

Alcon Caper5508d ago

If they market it as a product like Rock Band, which charges upwards of $100 for their complete set of instruments, I think they can surround Natal by setting the trend that it's "cool" and "in." With the amount of support MS is putting behind it, I would think that this is their strategy.

Unfortunately, that purchase base is so short-lived. How to tap into the long-term market seems like more of a challenge. After all, MS wouldn't want Natal to just be a 1 year fad, but something that would revolutionize the industry. If it falls into the short-term category, it will be labeled as gimmicky and cheap.

Personally, I don't think the technology is, but this is wishful thinking only. We'll see living proof when E3 rolls around.

Syronicus5508d ago

Come on, let's recall the price they have on those hard drives...

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pesevengi5508d ago

http://n4g.com/news/531504/... - think this one says it all already. Plus no-one has confirmed that the price is $149 and this article makes it clear why it most likely won't be!

Forbidden_Darkness5508d ago

More then one site can have 'opinions'

Forbidden_Darkness5508d ago (Edited 5508d ago )

"We’re more than happy to embrace new concepts and more often than not"

Wait...? This part of the sentence doesn't make sense.

Briefcase Joe5508d ago

I was going to post the same thing.

cosmoracer5508d ago

I suppose I represent the casual game segment, but I don't like being labeled that. I work, I have a family and I have the money to buy it. I am short on time to play. When it comes down to it, I want to the get most fund for my buck in the limited time I have. I am kinda loyal to the 360, but I used to be loyal to PS. At $150, I can put my money towards a PS3 and open up that new experience. That sounds like more fun for the dollar than hitting red balls. Really, it comes down to whether or not Natal has a killer ap. I have yet to see something (other than Mylo and Kate) that makes me really makes me think I am going to get a long term better experience. Sure, it will always be fun for an hour or so, but I learned from the Wii that the novelty wears off quickly and it starts to collect dust.

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Microsoft planning “major” Xbox layoffs next week

The cuts are expected to be announced next week.

Microsoft is also planning thousands of job cuts that will impact other parts of it businesses

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Obscure_Observer1d 13h ago

MFs has been beating their chests over great quarterly results and big profits to shareholders while firing people by the thousands just like Sony.

I wonder if at the top of those rumored layoffs they´ll also cancel upcoming or unannounced games while shutting down more studios as well.

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pwnmaster30001d 13h ago

Always got to throw shade at Sony smh.
Yes we get it,
MS good Sony bad
MS bad Sony is also bad lmao

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Obscure_Observer1d 13h ago

F* them both!

Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares.

Terry_B1d 13h ago

Yeah..its super annoying.

blacktiger1d 12h ago

He was talking about both. Why you getting offended when he's using both names

pwnmaster30001d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

@Blacktiger

Im not offended , that’s just his formula lol
He can’t help help himself, he needs to bring Sony down when the topic involves MS.
Whether is good news for MS or bad, it some how leads to Sony doing bad lmao.
It’s actually hilarious.

InUrFoxHole1d 6h ago

He's not wrong but im tracking what youre saying. In this case is should just be MS bad. Thats a lot of people fired

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Tacoboto1d 13h ago

"just like Sony"

Gosh you're insufferable, not everything needs to be both-sides'd. Sony's had layoffs, but nothing like what Microsoft has been doing and is continuing to do.

CrimsonWing691d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

I mean, no offense, but this is why you’re not some corporate business person running a major corporation. Big profits don’t mean jobs are safe. Do you understand why things like this happen:

Cutting jobs to maintain or increase profitability, especially in underperforming divisions like parts of Xbox like other gaming divisions.

Corporate restructuring and relocating resources for strategic stability in ever changing markets and consumer behaviors.

Investor expectations and optimizing operations to maintain investor confidence. Whatever boosts stock prices and improves future margins.

And there’s many other factors at play. It’s never as simple as business doing well, everyone’s safe. That’s just you not understanding at all how corporations work and have been working since the beginning. This isn’t something that’s specific to Xbox, you can bet your ass Sony and Nintendo do this and if it’s not clear by now, game development is not a stable job nor has it ever been for many. A lot of developers are contractors and guess what happens when a project is done?

Ganif1d 11h ago

Nintendo said they have no plans for layoffs, and you can't seriously claim that the scale of Sony's layoffs most of which involved Bungie which is self managed as even close to the same scale as what Microsoft has done since they purchased Zenimax. And that significantly less layoffs would have happened if those publishers had stayed independent. Keep in mind that much of these layoffs have been due to redundancies specifically related to these buyouts.

CrimsonWing691d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

@Ganif

Nintendo:

https://gamerant.com/ninten...

Sony:

https://gamerant.com/playst...

https://techxplore.com/news...

I don’t think it’s realistic to treat Sony’s layoffs as somehow outside the norm for the industry right now. Even if Bungie is self-managed, Sony’s cuts went far beyond that like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, London Studio being shut down completely, and multiple teams across the globe took hits. These weren’t just minor adjustments.

Nintendo, I had to look up and you’re right. They seem to be an outlier, but rest assured at some point it happens. And even then there’s been layoffs, albeit a smaller amount and contractors.

Would fewer layoffs have happened if studios from acquisitions stayed independent? Maybe. But even independents have been hit hard and look at what’s happened with Embracer’s fallout, or smaller devs like Digic, Roll7, or Volition. This isn’t just a “Microsoft problem” or strictly tied to acquisitions; it’s a broader correction happening across the whole industry, and unfortunately, layoffs are a big part of that process right now.

Ganif1d 10h ago

From your article:

"According to reports, Nintendo of America restructured its testing operations, leading to layoffs of about 120 contractors, part of a strategy for global integration.

Nintendo of America, publisher of iconic franchises like Mario and Zelda, is shifting some contractors to full-time roles for better development integration."

Contractors are not employees, and even if you want to count them as that, it's 120 people vs around 7500 since Microsoft purchased Zenimax.

In an era of game industry layoffs, Nintendo is hiring more people
https://automaton-media.com...

Nintendo Announces 10 Percent Pay Raise For Devs Despite Lower Profits
https://kotaku.com/nintendo...

Nintendo CEO’s refusal to layoff staff goes viral following industry-wide cuts
"Satoru Iwata took pay cuts to ensure staff didn’t have to be let go"
https://www.nme.com/news/ga...

And as for Sony you're comparing less than 1000 total jobs to an estimated7500

Has the industry faced layoffs, yes, but that still doesn't account for the mass layoffs due to redundancies that was easily predictable, or that fact that at least 1/3 of Microsoft's layoffs and studio closures happened before the industry downturn.

thorstein1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Take the L, Crimson.

People hate Nintendo, but Ganif proved why they deserve support.

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-Foxtrot1d 12h ago

It's like banging your head off a wall, he just can't help himself.

Microsoft can do no wrong, Sony sucks at everything and Nintendo is bigged up because it's less hassle than trying to defend Microsoft all the time

What's going to happen when Microsoft finally turn completely third party, then what?

anast1d 12h ago

I enjoy Obscure. Obscure does good work.

crazyCoconuts1d 12h ago

Did you know that the first n4g was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

Tacoboto1d 11h ago

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if anast and osbcure were both alts for the Admin.

We know how Obscure especially drums up additional comments and clicks with his spam-worthy remarks that somehow never get moderated

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Profchaos1d 9h ago

Thats business present a strong front to your shareholders while your company burns around you.

Keep shareholders happy at all costs andnif not happy keep them numb to the reality of you organisation

Angyobangyo1d ago

" Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares. "

Just for the record, you clearly you do if you have to vent this hard.

TheExecutioner20h ago

Basically you think like kids when it come to choose between candy or chocolate.

Sonic188119h ago(Edited 19h ago)

Are you and Anast the same person?

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AMD CEO Shares Vision Behind Xbox Partnership and Next-Gen Chip Roadmap

AMD CEO Lisa Su talks about the Xbox AMD partnership, next-gen Ryzen + Radeon chips, and AI rendering tech coming to all Xbox devices.

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

AMD is really building hype around their unique partnership with Microsoft to help and build an advanced and seamless Xbox ecosystem across all Xbox consoles and devices.

I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimized chips" though? Seems ambitious.

Next year´s Xbox Showcase already looks promising and exciting. Here´s hoping they deliver.

InUrFoxHole6d ago

They had best show 3yrs in a row. Heading for another

VenomUK5d ago

Obscure_Observer said “I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimised chips" though? Seems ambitious.” To me, I interpret this to mean rather than having a couple of X/S products for launch and a handheld there is a longer term plan to release new products with higher specs at timed intervals. I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec.

Agent755d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games.

KwietStorm_BLM5d ago

It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever.

Ganif5d ago

Correct.

"Sony's PlayStation 6 reportedly will feature an AMD semi-custom APU with a Zen 5 CPU and UDNA GPU, capable of 4K 120FPS and 8K 60FPS gaming. The console will include X3D cache and advanced AI upscaling technology."

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Obscure_Observer5d ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever."

I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released.

Notellin5d ago

You should have just lead this comment with the fact that you have zero understanding of technology in the consoles and instead have a Toms Hardware online forum level of education.

Obscure_Observer2d ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever"

I´d told you were on some bs

https://www.pcgamesn.com/wp...

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Agent755d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games

Obscure_Observer5d ago

@VenomUK

"I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec."

Very interesting theory. Still not sure how MS would actually make it work.

KwietStorm_BLM5d ago

"I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released."

How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is.

Obscure_Observer4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

"How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is."

Dude, what I know for certain is that a tech as old as X3D chips which is actually *older* than both PS5 and Xbox Series consoles, is hardly the reason behind this new partnership between AMD and MS to build new *custom silicon* for next generation of consoles.

And yes it´s a huge announcement since AMD is working closely with MS to co-develop custom SoC which will allow backwards compatibility across all MS´s next gen devices allowing seamless integration between devices and full backwards compatibility across all generations of Xbox consoles.

I also know is that this announcement don´t have anything to do with Playstation and their strategy with AMD for the PS6, so stop comparing the two pretending that you know what´s going on, because you clearly don´t.

If Sony is working on something remotely similar, that´s remain to be seen.

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Fishy Fingers6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Some odd, deliberate wording, no branding, not 'Xbox consoles, Xbox handhelds' specifically, feels and sounds like they're building towards hardware that anyone can be used or licensed to/by themselves and other manufacturers.

Multiplatform software and hardware 'Xbox/AMD APU'.

Obscure_Observer6d ago

I guess you missed Sarah Bond´s next generation Xbox announcement this week, were she clearly states:

"I´m thrilled to share that we´ve established a strategic multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including, *our* next generation *Xbox consoles*."

But hey, I don´t think you´re entirely wrong, maybe MS will build their own Xbox consoles while licencing other manufactures to build and sell their own Xbox branded consoles. Who knows

BeHunted6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I think you watched the wrong video. It's below the description, or you can watch it directly on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/kprpRvsOua...

HyperMoused6d ago

Shares vision....we provide chips for money, this deal will sell many chips, we will make lots of money...good vision

Christopher6d ago

The marketing behind this is so heavy that I worry about the actual outcome. Why are they just not showing us the product, why all this talking in market speak?

Lightning776d ago

Probably because the next xbox isn't ready to release yet?

The marketing and rumors seem to be heavy out of no where. The rumor was a 27 release but it maybe it could be 26 new console launch instead.

Who knows.

Eonjay5d ago

There PR is alrways super heavy handed. No one is acutally buying an Xbox as is.
Also it is very early to be talking so much about a next gen console.

Obscure_Observer5d ago

There´s a lot of people interested on Xbox Next and its ability to run games from major stores like Steam.

We know that the PS6 is just around the corner as well, but so far, no news on what it might improve over the PS5 or PS5 Pro.

However, Sony already made public that their priority and actual focus is the PS6. So its not "very early" to talk about next gen when the very console manufactures are talking about it.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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lukasmain25d ago

Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198124d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK23d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts23d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK23d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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