Killzone 2's Controls Didn't Fail...Killzone 3 Shouldn't Change Them

Ironstar: "With the announcement of Killzone 3, its hard not to remember the greatness that was Killzone 2. The campaign of Killzone 2 is great and solid all around, but that’s not what I’m here to talk about. Despite a wildly popular multiplayer at launch, Killzone 2’s multiplayer was much unappreciated (in my opinion)."

[Faztkiller]

I loved the controls they can tweak them but please don't take away one of the thing that made the game great and different

[FanOfGaming]

Yup, the controls were awesome.

[coolcole93]

Speaking of bubbles, is 3 like the limit now or something?

On topic: I really liked the controls, they just took some getting used to. Once you did, though, they were great.

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

If Killzone 3 gets CODized I won't buy it. Call of Duty noobs ruined gaming.

[Strange_Evil]

They can tweak it a bit, but don't lose the Weighty feeling, it's just adds a lot to the gameplay. I also would like them to keep the recoil same as KZ2.....

However, I found the bullet shower to be a tad bit inaccurate in KZ2, meaning if I am pointing my barrel with a Helghan just standing a feet away from the barrel and if I press the trigger down fully for a long time, then many of the bullets would miss on occasion. I don't know if any of you guys felt the same way or not ?? I just would like them to tweak their awesome hit detection system for even more realistic hits.....

Also, KZ2's controls initially had a long LAG which was around 166ms as per a few analysis by DF... So I would like them to bring that down significantly.

[Cevapi88]

its funny how people kick and belittle KZ2 for its laggy and "unrealistic" shooting mechanics yet they want controls that help you with a subtle aim assist *cough* CoD *cough*...the fact that you could run by an enemy w/o even noticing them in CoD when they camp was ridiculous...this tho is not a problem in KZ2...plus nobody camps in KZ...if they do...its very easy to flush them out...guns kick back like they should, and the controls make for balanced games

@strange evil....yeah the showering of bullets was something that i felt like they needed to fix...when you are in close quarters or a small room and it gets hectic its very easy to completely lose control of the gun...im sure they are fixing the minor issues people had...if they went and revamped the core mechanics of the shooting, it might make those who have a problem with the controls happy, yet those who mastered it will need to get used to new mechanics and i for one wouldnt like that

[morganfell]

Agree as well. The controls, the sway, it just felt unique and a damn fine piece of design.

[Bathyj]

Subtle aim assist?

Its called Autosnap.

Its used in programs like Autocad.

[HammockGames]

Personally, I liked the controls in KZ2.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Guerrilla tack on a "CoD-like" control option. Ya' know, for those that couldn't adapt ;0)

[mrv321]

@cez

So because it's set in the snow it's copy MW2? Because MW2 invented snow right?

Halo: Reach is copying killzone because Reach has a jetpack.
Gears 3 will copy God of War 3 because I said so... I don't have any evidence of this but I will pretend like I do.

'The single biggest complaint was the controls...MW2 has sold 10 times the amount of games as KZ...they will fix the controls if they want to be relevant...Same for the cover system...it was broken...they need to adopt the cover system from Mirrors edge/Brink which is the cutting edge for FPS this gen...' Mirrors Edge didn't even have a cover system... so what are you on?

'Fanboys don't get it...Sony wants 10 million units sold for this game...' Your right you don't get it. When did sony say they want ten million sold again? Care to show me the article.

[kneon]

@cez

The cod fans have COD, and will have a new one every year from the looks of it. They aren't likely to jump on the Killzone bandwagon en masse even if they did make the game feel like COD. And if they did do that they would lose a good chunk of the existing fan base.

It would be stupid of GG to make the controls too COD friendly, there are already too many games going after that target market. The only way to incorporate such controls and not alienate KZ fans would be to have it as an option in multi-player and allow you to choose to join only games that use your preferred control type.

[LoVeRSaMa]

I didn't mind the controls, but I do understand many people were put off by this, perhaps if they just submitted to this one small thing they could make everyone happy?

[pimpmaster]

WTF are you smoking?!?! the controls were terrible in kz2. just to shoot someone from cover would take holing 4 buttons!!!!! crouch, up, L1, R1. and im not even gonna talk about the horribly slow camera controls

[SmokeyMcBear]

uhhh... pimp.. you do realize that shooting anyone also takes a bunch of button, the left and right analog sticks. the L1 for aiming, and R1 to shoot... Plus, if you played it the way it should have been played instead of copying MW.. the to zoom in was R3.. and you didnt hold it down, you simply pressed it.

[Hanif-876]

I think it should be like Battlefield Bad Company 2 it has a sense of weight yet accessible to most FPS gamers :-)

[Punch-o]

I agree 100%.

[Noctis Aftermath]

Yes, more like BFBC2, hopefully they also remove the stamina/energy bar.

[DARK WITNESS]

I think you nailed it there.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

I say have a lot of control schemes so everybody can enjoy like BFBC2 and COD controls plus the already standard Killzone 2 controls.

[vickers500]

Exactly. I did complain about KZ2 controls, because I personally did not like them, even though I did end up getting used to them and getting good at them, it still felt like a chore. Every time I make a comment about the KZ2 controls, people automatically assume I want them to be like Call of Duty. No, you fanboys, I DON'T want them to be like CoD.

I would much rather prefer they be responsive. Hell, make them like Bad Company 2 and it will be my favorite shooter of all time. I wouldn't even mind them making it like Resistance 1 or 2. There are plenty of different ways for Kz2 controls to change without adding noob controls to them.

Deadly Spartan hit it right on the head.

[Gamerbee]

4 Prez.

[MiloGarret]

Let's give DeadlySpartan a fourth bubble (have you seen anyone with 4 yet?). Everyone who agrees vote +bubble (intelligent)

[Oner]

I agree as well Vickers. EVERY time I talk about KZ2's aiming it becomes an argument about things that people are too ignorant to want to understand correctly about. Adjusting and tweaking is NOT making them exactly like COD.

People's comprehension about the topic (or in general for that matter as well LoL) is laidend with immaturity, a simple lack of just LISTENING and blatant name calling instead of trying to grasp what is trying to be explained to have a proper discussion about the subject!

There are 2 issues at hand that KZ2 had to deal with ~

1) Weight
2) Responsiveness (NOT COD style auto aiming)

I always wondered why the handgun had the same "weight" as the rocket launcher or rifles and why all the weapons "felt" the same and responded the same when aiming. If that doesn't make sense of how there was something clearly odd with KZ2 or throw up a "Huh?" flag then I don't know what else to say but ~ Pfft whatever...I'm not going to argue anymore with anyone about it because I like the "weight" just not the slow responsiveness/delay to an input! But if anyone has any insight or information they would like to discuss then please feel free to kindly reply!

@ Milo Garret ~ Done. (For him & Vickers500)

[DarkSpawnClone]

great idea dude!,BFBC2 controls are awesome killzone 3 actually sounds like its going to be similar with bfbc2 because of the destructible environments. killzone 3 sounds really cool i CANT WAIT!!! i hope its out this year or Earlie next year hurry up E3 i want a trailer!!,but i wouldn't mind the cod button layout either(not auto aim).one thing killzone 3 needs is more game modes and maps and guns.i loved how killzone 2 switched game modes all the time in one round of the multiplayer that was awesome! i want to play killzone 2 now, and i dont have a copy! ;[

[Bordel_1900]

I have to agree, please don't change the controls. I don't play fps much, but I loved KZ2, the controls and pace and strategic type combat is what made me like this fps.

[arakouftaian]

because they wan't all the controls to be easy to use and easy to kill.

is like a guy in n4g said

"is like if you g/f fake the organs and the real pleasure is when she really has a real organs" lol

[alphakennybody]

"is like if you g/f fake the orgasm and the real pleasure is when she really has a real orgasm" *fixed*

[N4GAddict]

It takes some getting used to but its was never a problem

[mal_tez92]

The weighty feeling of the movement, aiming and shooting is what makes Killzone 2 my favourite shooter.

CoD players can have enjoy their noob style simplisticnarcade game if they want, but i find it lacks immersion.

[RatFuker]

the controls are a very good thing killzone2 has going for it. cant wait! snow levels! ( . ) ( . )

[kwicksandz]

if it has the same/similar control scheme them im crossing kz3 off my shopping list. no excuse for sluggish unresponsive controls

[keyserhitman]

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[Static-X]

Doesn't bother me, I changed my controls to Alternate 2 anyway. Felt more natural

[stevenhiggster]

It's not the control configuration that ppl moan about it's the "laggyness".
I personally like the controls just fine the way they are, but I wouldn't complain if they tighten it up just a little.

[RumbleFish]

hmmm... I don't know exactly how to put this, but i have to say I loved the movement of the character and it's weighty feel but there's no excuse for the laggy response and the broken aiming that resulted from that.
So I hope for a demo when the game releases so we can check out if it will have the same broken aiming which they tried to fix with three!!! patches.
I remember when the demo was released through PSN everybody started to cry about the broken aiming and Guerilla said that will only be a problem of the demo, and it will be solved when the full game will be released. They lied and from some odd reason the community partially started to defend this broken aiming and like Guerilla called it a design decision. I really understand the praise for the game because it was unique and had stunning visuals but the hype made many gamers close their eyes.
If the controlls will be laggy again: sorry, not my cup of tea but good for the ones who liked it. If they get rid of the lag: this will be a day one purchase for me.

[DA_SHREDDER]

Noone is asking for aim assist. We just want the controls to be tweaked to where we dont feel like a slug when we turn. Also, they should take out the cover system completely if they aren't gonna implement it online and just add prone. What is the big freakin deal?!!!!

Everyone I know that tried KZ2 really didn't like the weightiness when it came to turning and what not. At least 15 friends of mine didn't bother buying the game simply for that reason. Why should Guerrilla cater to a minority when it comes to this? You guys are the minority btw. If you weren't then the game would have sold over 2.5 million so far, which it hasn't. N4G doesn't reflect the general masses when it comes to this issue. Im not for the COD type of controls, just make it like BBC2 or MAG and I would be ecstatic.

[alphakennybody]

Can it get anymore clear as that? seriously, up your game and skills. KZ2 has by far in my opinion, the best fps controls and the grenades feels so natural( the best in any game) I hope they don't change that too.

[gtamike]

Maybe have 2 options for controls

[Faztkiller]

For Single player that would be fine but in MP it would make it unbalanced they could offer play-list for each but that would split the community so its easier said than done

[unrealgamer58]

shouldn't you adapt to the controls instead of whining

[N4GAddict]

Yeah, the controls are fine.

[ISKREEM]

I hate how anyone who don't prefer the "weighty" controls are considered some kind of lazy, whiny, person. While the ones who tolerate them think they're part of some super elite, hardcore, crowd.

They've nailed the controls for the multiplayer, and I think they are perfect for the game as a whole. I've never "hated" the weighty controls, but going back to the campaign after playing the multiplayer extensively is a real eye-opener.

[CoxMulder]

I hate how anyone who prefers the weighty controls is called a fool, noob or idiot for supporting something "obviously" broken & unintentional. While the ones that complain about them think they're the only ones smart enough to know how Killzone/FPS-games should play.

[BlackKnight]

You are fools. The "weight" is lag time. That's why even shooting the gun lags. You can't tell me a trigger is heavy, not to mention it would be dumb if a developer implement a delay of the trigger to simulate the time it takes the pull, it's already simulated, with your finger on your controllers trigger!

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Take a long read. Fanboys need to realize GG never even TALKED about the weight/delay of aiming. That's because it wasn't implemented, it's a side effect of pushing the SPU's too long with so many postprocessing effects that you develop long frame time (the amount of time it takes to render a frame once it has been queued for render, this is completely different than FPS).

Sorry, but the "weight" is the engine lagging due to such a load for the graphics. THAT's why people are called fools. They look like sheep trying to do damage control about an engine that's laggy and try to pass it off as a feature, not a detriment. And this is completely different than COD's auto aim. This has nothing to do with auto aim.

[CoxMulder]

Oh oh yeah sure, sorry mister expert..

All that article tells me is that Eurogamer analyses are terribly inaccurate and depend on too many variables.

So Killzone 2 has a few ms more latency than COD.. so f***ing what?

The game plays like a dream, and the heaviness adds greatly to the immersion and was IMPLEMENTED in Killzone 2, as it was in the original Killzone.

Funny how the experts on Killzone 2 are the people who READ about it instead of PLAY it. Simple idiots.

[BlackKnight]

I played the game...about half way through the campaign. The last time I felt such laggy controls was years back when I had a subpar video card trying to run Far Cry 1 on max settings.

A few ms? try on average 50-180% more latency than what 30FPS latency should have (100ms vs KZ2's 150-183ms). KZ2 isn't the only one, it's another reason why GTA4 is so annoying to shoot in, it has horrible latency as well while games like UC1 and Gears feel so much better. I would say UC2 but they started adding motion blur and other effects onto the SPU's also and that game has laggy controls too now, such a shame. Graphics should not hamper gameplay. COD runs at 60FPS, so does GT5 and the forza series. There is a reason, because if you have a graphics engine that doesn't introduce frame lag, you can have controller response as small as 66ms! You want that responsivness, be it shooting in COD or timing cornering in GT5.

It was NOT implemented into KZ2, seeing as you are out of bubbles, PM any article to me where GG says so. I think KZ2 is a great game but this is a glaring flaw that kills the gameplay, especially a game that relies on shooting someone. It's not heaviness. heaviness would make it so that the weapons take time to accelerate up to the speed you want to turn, while this is lag. With lag, you push the stick, and there is NO motion, then once the game finally spits out the frames of you moving, moving as fast as you should have been when you first hit the stick. You need to learn the difference between a delay (lag) and slow acceleration ("heaviness").

The best analogy is hitting the gas pedal on a car and the car doesn't move and it takes time for the fuel injectors to release the gas and explode in the pistons and turn the wheels which is when motion final starts, thats lag and thats KZ2 and other games have too much of. Heaviness is simply the car being heavy and taking time to get it to speed up from 0 to the speed you want it to go, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

I'm not an expert, I'm just not a fanboy either.

[Colonel-Killzone]

I thought the controls were fine honestly. I think a lot of people was mad because they got owned online. Honestly all the call of duty fanboys thought they were gonna own on KZ2 and when they got owned so badly they ranted about the controls etc. GG fixed the controls and they still got owned and ranted. Honestly GG listen to the people who supported your game from day 1 not idiots who come play rant and quit.

[N4GAddict]

I enjoyed Killzone 2 multiplayer more than MW and MW2.

[CoxMulder]

One of the best things early on in Killzone 2's multiplayer were the noobs in last place with 1 kill 27 deaths & 0 mission points whining & complaining about the controls and how COD was much better.

[DA_SHREDDER]

Colonel, I never ever got owned in KZ. I was usually in the top 5 or so when I played a full game. Got all the map packs, and fell in love with the game, and would have stayed in love if I didn't have to wrestle with the controls and melee system as much as I did. If anything I consider myself an elite considering how many top 10% percentile trophies i kept on getting, and still have as proof I probably owned most of you, the ones that calling me a noob are the ones that got their asses handed by me. As a true fan of the series, Im asking to tweak the controls to make everyone happy. Not just the minority on the subject.

[Falloutxii]

Why the hell do you think me and many other people get tons of kills?
(Trust me it's not luck it's skills) : )

[Dsnyder]

They were the same as COD controls. I couldnt believe the complaints when that game came out about the controls. You really cant adjust your brain to a slightly new control scheme? Morons.

[LordMarius]

I am glad GG isn't listening to the whiners, I want to play Killzone not COD.

[tigertron]

Killzone 2 had excellent controls as far as I'm concerned, and most of those that didn't like it were COD players. If you want COD, play COD. If you want to play KILLZONE, play Killzone.

I had no trouble getting kills and headshots, and therefore I had no trouble with the controls.

[OhReginald]

AGREED!!! killzone 2 has perfect controls for a console shooter!! im just glad that i can sleep at night knowing that killzone franchise will never have twitchy call of duty controls.

[The real killer]

"Despite a wildly popular multiplayer at launch, Killzone 2’s multiplayer was much unappreciated (in my opinion). One huge complaint of the game, that I found utterly stupid was the “controls issue”. Ironically, I believe the controls were one of the main beauties of the game"

What a loser he is, complaining about controls.If he is a noob, play with COD series or halo somthing, don't brag about the realism controls from Killzone 2, Killzone 2 contols are just PERFECT for real gamers.

[The real killer]

I agree, the best experience FPS controls you can get.

[A change in the wind]

I loved the controls, and if you figured them out, you were rewarded with very rich controllability. The controls also weeded out the Call of Duty nubs in a hurry. They got out of there faster than I`ve ever seen, lol.

[mumbo101]

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but the controls are what really threw this game off for me. I played it a lot when it first came out, but after a while I just couldn't handle it anymore. Call me a nub or call me whatever, but that's just my opinion. I'm still going to get the game no matter how they choose to go with the control scheme and feel. Hopefully I can hop on some kz2 and get used to it by the time the game comes out.

[nefertis]

GG DON'T CHANGE THE CONTROLS!

[LTC]

but there was 1 problem. The contols had a slight delay to mimic the weighty feel of the weapons. Then why did ALL the weapons feel the same weight. For example the hand gun should have felt more nimble than the machine gun. The machine gun should have felt lighter than the rocket launcher. It wasn't like that, all weapons felt the same weight which I hope they change in KZ3.

[Corrwin]

Playing Killzone 2 then playing something like Resistance or Call of Duty and you can tell how out of touch the user's camera is from it's environment. KZ2's control and weight help set the tone and really put you into the fight - as a soldier, rather than an unstoppable hero.

If anything I wanted the cover system implemented online!

[peeps]

yeh but you don't feel like the person playing... you feel like your fighting with the controls to make the character look where u wanna...

[Corrwin]

I didn't have that problem, I must admit. I looked exactly where I wanted to look, shot who I wanted to shoot. It took about 5 minutes to get used to it, but from then on I tried setting all FPSs on my consoles to use the same controls.

[mp1289]

i think those controls made the singleplayer more realistic but i still dont prefer it for the multiplayer; however, i much more prefer an increase in weapons/attachments and rewards. for graphics, well i trust they can break their own bar.

[Ps_alm3k]

I think it can be more sped up, to a more realistic movement.
I do not turn that slow in real life, but definitely no auto aim like COD!!
People claim skills, but it had auto aim!! Just give me everything the same, but 60 fps! : )P

[peeps]

the controls just need tweaking. call it adding weight or whatever but you shouldn't have to fight with the controls to aim where you want.

plus i believe it was fixed in the end but at first ppl just abused the aim assist anyway by tapping L1 to lock onto someone and just keep tapping it while you fire = u never miss

[jaosobno]

Controls were ok for the most part, however, I'd like a bit less lag while aiming. I don't mind the solider wieght while moving, that was definitely great thing. I really don't like games where I feel like my character is floating above the floor. Feels like a ghost instead of a solider.

[redsquad]

Don't like KZ3 controls? Fine, go and buy something you do like, but don't dare lobby to ruin it for those of us who LOVED the game and how it played..

[peeps]

what about the ppl who loved killzone 1 but hated what they did to the controls for KZ2...

oh i adapted in the end, but why should you have to? for me a control scheme should me feel like i'm the 1 in control. i can play kz2 just fine but it just doesn't feel good to play it, thats the problem.

[redsquad]

I liked (and was able to easily play) both. Must be my sophisticated brain, able to adapt and all that...

[e-p-ayeaH]

exacly thats the thing KZ1 > KZ2

[venum]

If you people can't wait to get used to the control, I can understand you think the control sucks. But it's not true.
I like the no aim assistance in Killzone 2.
Just get used to.

[ATLGAMER]

just want all their games to play like cod or halo...well not halo n e more it even took a page for cod now

[yogaflame]

i love the realistic controls that if you have heavy arms you move slower and if its lighter load you move faster

[costillaman]

I think the controls are fine.I just got done playing KZ2 after not playing it since November and I played just fine took a game to get settled but it plays great still.

[MechaGear]

I think the Eurogamer hands-on already stated that there is no or little change.

[...]Killzone's weaponry still retains the sense of weight, impact[...]

[B00M]

Thing that sucked was that no one aimed down the sights, just hip fired because it was just if not more accurate. I like the weighty controls but GG should look to the BC2 controls as its the perfect balance.

[sam2236]

If I have to press three buttons just to aim and shoot while crouching, then there's no way in hell I'm buying KZ3.

Oh and they seriously need to fix the cover system. Not much of a cover system if your head is sticking out from behind cover so the Helghast can take cheap shots at you, is it?

[radphil]

why people just use a broad term like controls?

Why the hell does no one use terms like deadzone, etc?

[bananasNmonkeys]

I agree with all of you I loved the controls of killzone 2, and recently started playing again. However after all this is the video game INDUSTRY and if GG want sales the controls are gonna have to be tweaked abit.
I mean cmon the main thing that stopped people playing is the controls.

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[X-Frame]

I also love the control feel of the character in KZ2 but admit that it could use some tweaks.

For example:

1) The "weight" should be less when you're using a pistol than when you're hauling a rocket launcher over your shoulder.

2) They should do something to encourage more players to aim down the sights - as when I play I can go several games without ADS for most weapons. Hip-fire accuracy should remain the same, as Killzone has always been primarily a hip-fire shooter.

I'm sure GG already updated the "weight system" from feedback but I'm mostly sure they didn't abandon the feel of KZ2 with something twitch like COD. Some of the previews already say that KZ3 handles the same as KZ2.

[BABY-JEDI]

For me Killzones development is the same as the GT series. It is about creating a totally immersive reality. As they say 'God is in the detail' add 3D . WOW

[Kassanova07]

I concur.

[keyserhitman]

i thought the controls were awkward..
just me..

i found the movement too sluggish, melee was horrible and killing an opponent was too long (bullet sponge)

i loved the gameplay and multiplayer was sick!! loved the class system
but there was this love/hate relationship with the controls

sorry guys and gals but that was what let me down
if they made it a lil lighter, controls a lil more sound as a pound & the hit response a lil less long.. then ill be smiling

im still gona pick up KZ3
because i enjoyed KZ2

[BABY-JEDI]

At least people are really passionate about the game (even the haters) & that says a lot. For me the controls require practice (just like real life beleive it or not). Firing a gun & hitting a target is really difficult. PS No humans or animals were harmed just paper targets LoL

[chidori666]

nice guerila games not change the controls killzone 3 because of rant of noobs of mw2.

[bjornbear]

if the controls were too much for you, well, i guess you aren't good enough for KZ ;) go back to MW or BF.BC2 or Halo...

[bjornbear]

i didn't say go back t those games as a bad thing.

i enjoy BF:BC2 AND MW (not MW2 ;)), its just VERY different, and some people prefer that, so thats why I said that =)

[mauleriscool]

The controls were a problem within potential buyer's eyes even if you say you loved them. Seriously, I played socom since the first with Look speed 100, acceleration 100, and dead zone 0 (I find any game that uses a high ammount of deadzone seriously annoying). Killzone2 basically had dead zone up to 100. Most people I know that wanted KZ2 ended up not buying it because of this.

Since GG started updating the controls with patches(probably because sony wanted them to), I wont be surprised if they make them more responsive like COD. This DOES NOT MEAN add aim assist.

[sigfredod]

The controls on KZ2 wre great

[Hotel_Moscow]

i think people are misunderstanding what people mean by controls

some people are thinking that by controls they mean lay out

while others are thinking its the weighth feel

to me its a little of both its both i just find it easier to scope with l2 and shoot with r2 because it feels like im pull the trigger on a real gun with r2 shooting with l2 other than those two buttons i don't really care

and the weighty controls are okay i like them actually its just the fact that even on max sensitivity its like im moving slowly and those that say the weighty controls are what it should be should see how the pistol feels the same as every other weapon which is ridiculous

but if they do make it so that l2 is zoom and not crouch they would have to make like l3 to take cover so you just run up to cover with r3 pressing forward and as youre stuck to the wall you can move the l button left right and up to look from cover while being able to scope with 12

[ballsofsteel]

i know people will disagree with me here but personally i think they go for quicker paced aiming like COD. still reading? wow I commend you on not being a fanboy. anyway here are my reasons. the slower aiming isn't necessarily its that it doesn't go with the gameplay their setting up. In KZ2 the action is very fast paced, frantic, and in all directions. Therefore it's aiming system to play to those strengths but it doesn't, with it's current setup turning around takes a full second which is way too long and even aiming above or belove you takes some time. If you look at BFBC2 is has a similar aiming system as KZ2 but no where near the problem the reason why? BFBC2 multiplaer is a lot slower and deliberate and specifically most of the action happens in front of you not much of it happen above, below, or behind you. If they want to keep KZ2's aiming then they must change the map design and gameplay to suit it the way it set up is to have frantic, quick paced shootouts with slower aiming and very dimensional maps which does not mix.

One thing that doesn't make sense to me is when people say that it's aiming made KZ2 different. I'm sorry but KZ2 can't stand on it's own without a frustrating aiming system? KZ2 has a consistently changing game mode(warzone) which besides resistance 2 is not in another game, it has a great kick back system which means you can't spray and pray like in COD, it has a great perks/badges system that creates a great amount of customization and tactics which is unlike anything seen in games. in my opinion it these things that truly separate KZ2 from the pack not it's frustrating and off putting aiming system.

[Fanb0y]

N4G users are the minority... a lot of people had problems with the controls.

Making the controls more responsive would attract more casual gamers like me - meanwhile, you guys would still buy the game. Win-win.

[j9]

change them

[hoo_mook]

The controls are slow. Remember that sequence in UC2 when you carry the camera man that's been shot? That's weighty.

Complaints of slowness & clunkiness are not made up. FPS fans expect to have snappy controls and i don't mean auto aim. When you want to look left or right it should be sudden like dramatic gopher: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[DigitalAnalog]

Hopefully the can tweak the cover-system to be more dynamic. Like switching between walls or sliding under them. That would BE HARDCORE!

-End statement

[Hotel_Moscow]

basically take brinks movement system

[DA_SHREDDER]

And to anyone who is calling people who want the change a noob or sissy, I give an open challenge to anyone on here to add me and lets see who owns who? This is my final attempt to call people out cause yall people call me out, but when i post a challenge, none of you so called "true gamers" have yet to add me and challenge me formally. BTW, true gamers dont think they are better than anyone. Thats where most of you on N4G fail when it comes to critical thinking and logic.

[tiamat5]

Yes please don't listen to the whiners. When Insomniac did that they ruined Resistance for the rest of us. Just do like the rest of us did. Adapt and compensate for the new controls and weightier guns instead of moaning and complaining about them.