Killzone 3: These 10 things have to be better than in Killzone 2

Cynamite: "What Guerilla Games have to do to make Killzone 3 the best shooter ever? Here is the answer."

[-Alpha]

Aside from the given:

1) Vehicles, but fine tuned and limited to bigger maps
2) Better voice communication and more modes and variants. Also, fix the melee and give us fully customizable controls.
3) More guns in multiplayer with a ranking system that rewards the players more. Also, give the Helghan and ISA their own unique weapons
4) A party system is a must, and theater mode is more than welcome
5) Co-op
6) A better written and less generic story with more emphasis on the characters (Naughty Dog hopefully helping)
7) More class balance and maybe more classes
8) Less chokeholds and bigger maps so we don't have 32 players mindlessly rushing to defuse/plant the bomb in a tiny room during S&D. Spread objectives out better for modes like S&D in general for certain maps (Annoying as hell in Radec's Academy, but well spaced in Helghan Industries)
9) More customization options for multiplayer
10) Better information on servers so I can join the games I want

[MexicanAppleThief]

Dude, post your ideas here: http://www.killzone.com/kz/...

[-Alpha]

I did AppleThief lol. I even submitted it to the official forum on the PS3 boards. There are a lot of good ideas around and if we gamers have a say in the final game then I suggest everybody inputs their ideas too. K3 will be amazing, no doubt about it. I'd personally be satisfied with just more modes and maps, but there is so much more they can do since the engine is nailed down. And most importantly, a party system because I absolutely find it crucial in a game that is reliant on absolute teamwork.

[FURY__UNLEASHED]

I don't understand why Alpha-Male22 posts intelligent thing but always get more disagrees than agrees.

@ SKCShifty below: "Co-op must have or else not worth purchase"

So I guess Alan Wake isn't worth a purchase? That's funny since you've been hyping it up for months...

[blackbeld]

10 things? No... only one... and that is... GIVE ME SOME PERKS LIKE CODMW2.

[arakouftaian]

and they have been reading my ideas and our suggestions
wich is good

Ok what do you guys think about this idea i have
been giving GG ‚

You can invade anyone single player
drop in and out , and play as a HELLGAST
against any player that allow to be invade
it will make single player more huge and challenging
well i will make the others player life a H$!!
LOL

[huzzaahh]

Apparently the melee is fixed and the shooting is more precise.
Nothing has been said about co-op, but since everybody complained about the lack of co-op in K2, they'll hopefully add it.
I agree with all of your points and I hope they're all implemented.

[HolyOrangeCows]

"2. Bosskämpfe
From decaying throwing acres we do not expect Bosskämpfe against powerful monsters or enormous robots - from a Sci Fi Shooter such as Killzone very probably"

Say whaaaaaaaat??

[kneon]

Everyone always asks for more weapons but in almost every shooter game the differences between weapons of the same class are usually negligible, apart from appearance. Really you only need one weapon for each class of weapon for each side, and then maybe add some optional extras like upgraded sights/scopes, magazines, bipods etc. But not too much of that or you can adversely affect the game balance.

I agree KZ2 was a little light on weaponry, some weapons are even shared between Helghast and ISA. But I don't want them to go overboard like MW2 and BF:BC2 either.

[fuckitimout]

what about a longer single-player campaign? All I see is ppl talkin bout multi-player. The SP should be first priority imo. Not everyone is an online junkie and I hope GG understands that

[TheHardware]

seems like everyone here said what I woulda said...

I would like to add

the ability to customize your buttons please.

[DA_SHREDDER]

Killcam would be sweet.

[rezzah]

No it wouldnt be sweet, giving away the postition because you died makes the game seem less real. It ruins everything, and if people cant figure out who killed them let them use their heads to get around or firgure out how to get how to get back.

[Death2494]

people talk about how Sony's first party games look in ALPHA. Remember how people where saying that GOW3 VGA trailer looked like GOW2.5 in terms of graphics? Now compare that trailer to the RC, they look like two completely different games. Just can't wait to see what GG is going to do with KZ3. Remember Santa Monica shared the MSAA technique with all of SOny's first party studios and 3rd party

[Ravage27]

I fully expect crows to go extinct the day KZ3 launches.

[gtamike]

full HD 60fps

[Games4M - Rob]

i doubt it will be 60fps

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Off topic:

I'm glad to see the bubble system is working decently, now we just need a Zero bubbles level.

on topic:
I'd love to see some of the options in game that Halo has, recording and theater mode, and even perhaps customizing the maps.

[Silverwolf]

Hit detection, fine tuned controls and customizable controls.

[DA_SHREDDER]

Agreed silver wolf. This game would be a day one purchase for me if those three things manifested upon release of KZ3.

[ThanatosDMC]

If they can make hit detection as accurate as MAG, then it's a win. They need to polish some of those invisible walls through the fence/stairs. If i see a space between an object, my bullets better get through.

[xenovis]

Tighter *quicker responding* controls, 60fps, and a solid matchmaking system.

My take on the control issue:
KZ2 utilized a new type of rendering process that allowed the PS3 to have real AA applied to the final render pass. KZ2 utilized a FOV render process where the entire world was not shaded/mapped only what the player was looking at ~20% beyond FOV. This allowed for detailed textures and some great lighting, and of course AA. The main drawback with this process is that turning the character too fast can cause texture pop and lighting redraws. KZ2's engine made up for this deficiency by utilizing "wash" motion blur while turning, and of course reducing the speed that the player could move in all directions. The controls felt lumbered and clumsy compared to a twitch shooter like COD/L4D, however it was not implemented as well as the weighted/lumbered feel of dare I say Halo.

The largest problem with the KZ2 controls was not that they were restricted and made weighty due to engine draw/texture fill issues associated with this new FOV process, but that the controls had lag, a serious amount of lag. It was documented and slightly corrected by a GG patch however it is still very much there. Some people like sloppy controls because they aren't use to good ones. KZ2 has as much 300ms of controller lag in the later patches, which by any account is considered "laggy".

http://i42.tinypic.com/e067...

[ThanatosDMC]

I never had that problem... weird. But then again most people spray and pray rather than aim properly for headshots. They need to fix turret placements so Helghast dont get spawn camped or make it unreachable like in MAG.

[fuckitimout]

agreed. Clowns make so many excuses for kz2's controls. Weight-system my ass, those were laggy controls. As I've said in an earler post, I like kz2 but the controls are terrible.

[IHateYouFanboys]

the Anti-Aliasing in Killzone 2 was Quincunx, ie. 'smear vaseline all over the screen'. it was horrible, just like it is in Bioshock, and just like it is in Red Dead Redemption.

also, Killzone 2s engine didnt allow for detailed textures. textures were of very low res, and when combined with the Quincunx AA everything was very blurry.

agree about the input lag though. it is dreadful, inexcusable, and if it is there in Killzone 3 i am not buying it.

[HDgamer]

Crap gamer this is where you 360 fanboys get so insecure and complain about games you never ever will play even if your pathetic parents bought it for you. Get out of the basement and stop trolling and go to work.

[BannedForNineYears]

"5. Koop"
xD
I read it as it was spelled. xDDDD
I wish these kinds of articles were translated correctly into English.
v_v

[tiamat5]

careful people. Killzone 2 was a misunderstood gem. Too much change could ruin a good thing. RFOM was a great game which only needed slight changes and they overhauled the whole thing and messed it up'

[Bolts]

I agree. Other than maybe better default controls there isn't anything I want changed. Killzone 2 multiplayer is absolutely perfect the way it is.

[gypsygib]

All I care about is better more responsive controls, way better story, and no hit delay in SP or MP - take a page out of Red Dead Redemption's book for lessons on hit detection and response.

[KongRudi]

Weapons in Killzone 2 were great.. I hope they goes for the same in KZ3.

The lightning gun, were kind of crazy tough.. Too overpowered, but we didn't get to have that too much..

The Bolt Gun however were fantastic, it's my favourite gun in a FPS since Duke Nukem's shrink gun, followed up by running over and stepping on the enemy, wich were amazin in LAN-play.

I were thinking about it (Boltgun) yesterday, if there were enough ammo for it, people would only use that gun - throughout the entire game.. :P

I'm pretty sure if it had been available earlier, like in the demo, the game would have sold atleast twice as much. :P

Killzone is also one of the few FPS wich makes using grenades fun, they are implemented perfect, and the foes fear them.
The Flamethrower aswell, it is much more realistic than usual, and more fun to use due to the way the foes fear them.

The regular assault rifles, sniper rifles, machineguns, pistols, shotguns, RPG's weren't that ultra-great, but they were great, and got the job done, and felt like realistic weapons in a warzone.

I think Resistance is the place to go if you want the crazy guns, while Killzone have more realistic ones. :)
Both are fun.. :)

[IHateYouFanboys]

lol

"The Bolt Gun however were fantastic, it's my favourite gun in a FPS since Duke Nukem's shrink gun"

guess you didnt play FEAR or any of the other games that had a bolt/rail gun years before Killzone 2.

[RedPawn]

Co-Op Campaign play PLEASE!

[Chocolatebacon]

I'm aaaaaall for Co-op too!

[DSco4]

brighter graphics and I'll be buying this game

[Keanu777]

Co-op is a must have. and much more highlights for sure.