PlayStation Move "nunchuck" doesn't detect motion, must be charged separately

Many are rightfully comparing Sony's "Move" controller to Nintendo's own Wii remote. Not only does the wand device function similarly to Nintendo's controller, it even connects to another controller device that serves the same general purpose as Wii's nunchuck controller.

That said, there are some notable differences between Wii's nunchuck and Move's nunchuck.

[DasBunker]

do we need an article for whatever feature "move" has or lacks?

anyways im glad theyre gonna use it on hardcore games too like socom.. and not just try to clone shovelware ala wii.. like others..

[WildArmed]

The article that has all the feature CLEARLY states that it is just a convenient replacement for the dualshock 3 controller.. and if you dont want to use the 'sub controller' you don't have to, you can just use the DS3.
They basically cut the DS3 in half for the PS move as some ppl found it extremely awkward to hold a DS3 in 1 hand and the PS move in another.

[Sony Always Wins]

I think Sony is "moving" towards the wrong direction with motion controls. Leave the kid stuff to the Wii.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

@Sony Always Wins

I think you are Misinformed and like other bunch of users.

Move Controllers also will have games for Mature people, not only for kids.

Sony clearly said, Casuals and Hardcore. They demostrated 1st the Casuals.

Also, will be compatible with other games like Resident Evil 5. Killzone 3, maybe Resistance 3, and others. Those games are not even Casuals.

[krisq]

Move and Natal are both aimed at casual gamers. If you think otherwise, you are wrong. It's clear Sony and MS will try to please core base somehow by throwing some advance games at us but the reality is, they want a chunk of Wii pie which is casual market. Almost every hardcore gamer says he will not use motion controls so why do they still do it?

[Mike134nl]

is the online aspect, gamers with move will have a big advantage over gamers who are using the dual-shock controller.
On the plus side this advantage to move players will promote higher sales.

[krisq]

...but I don't see any advantage from using Move in fps/tps games :/. I'm sure I will be much more precise and faster with DualShock than with motion control. If you're thinking Move == mouse, you're wrong. It's nothing like it.
What about the fatigue? Ater one hour of playing with Move I will have enough.

[DatNJDom81]

the media has to show the masses how Sony copied the Wii (well, it kinda did), but will praise the fukc outta natal as revolutionary. U know natal.... the eyetoy wannabe with voice recognition, body movement recognition, and lag. :)

[palaeomerus]

Playstation Eye is a miked webcam that is now getting a light peripheral to allow it to use depth data and a motion control wand. Natal is a miked depth sensing binocular webcam that focuses on heat sources to know what to look at, and via software recognizes the position of relevant elements of the human form.

It's clearly more advanced than the Playstation Eye which is common webcam and a microphone added to a console. All the eye does is define a 2d boundary representing the human form. It has no 'knowledge' of limbs. It just looks for the edge of your 2d shape as seen from the camera and computes detection of whether the interior of that 2d shape collides with 2d vectors of a virtual object and then a light to track the heading and facing of a "weapon/tool" with depth. Unless you are willing to put lights on your limbs and torso, it will probably not be able to accurately discern the motion of elements of the human form and convey it's 3d motion to an onscreen model. It will just use your 2d shape as a crosssection of 3d motion (meaning a silohuette to detect the detect the edge of) to make some gusses about what you are doing. Even if people do wear a light-suit it will still use software to do the 3d data and so will probably have too much processor overhead to use in complex co called 'AAA' games (which the complaint people are leveling at Natal)

Personally I think both Move and Natal are a huge waste of time and energy but then I was wrong about the Wii. We'll see how things work out soon enough. I am somewhat concerned about camera placement, lighting difficulty, and calibration issues that could make both Move and Natal harder to set up well than they should be. And of course lag may be an issue as well.

[tunaks1]

"anyways im glad theyre gonna use it on hardcore games too like socom.. and not just try to clone shovelware ala wii.. like others.."

LOL, im not even going to entertain that question, the Wii launched with Zelda, just think about that for a second, and yes IR control is amazing for shooters, ironically PS3 fanboys have denied this fact until now, go and play MP:3 and you'll see.

Anyways not having motion in their nunchuk thing might be a plus, sometimes but not always, 3rd party developers miss use the motion controls on the nunchuk.

[-Alpha]

And Sony wants to be affordable with it.

I think that it kinda sucks that it wont support motion because it pretty much means you will need two wands to do the cool things like dual wielding weapons or anything like that, and that can be really expensive and not worth the money.

I'm a little disappointed, but I suppose it's a marketing move. It's like with Natal and how they dropped a feature or something to make the product cheaper.

At least with the Arc you can buy two wands if you really want to do something like shield and sword.

[BRG9000]

Is the sub controller included in the $100 package? The articles I've seen that discuss it so far seem to imply that it doesn't. Maybe it's not even decided yet.

[Mista T]

well it's obvious. the nunchuck doesn't have the orb on top. It's for shooters, and you'll be using your left hand for the nunchuck for forward, backward, left, right, etc. movement. the right hand will be used for the aiming and camera control

[Vincent VII]

NTAL KILLER CONFIRMED.

[Ikanago]

...the thing is, now you know you need two Moves to control a game like boxing or swordplay as seen in the demos, since the sub-controller has no way to recognize movement in space.

I wonder how many Move wands will come in the pack. I'm hoping two, otherwise this whole thing is going to get quite expensive fast.

[Bibto]

They made the sub controller so you could have an analog stick for movement, but if you're using two Move controllers to play (i.e for a sword and shield), you again don't have any analog sticks.

I hope they put motion sensing in the sub controller too. You can have your sword and your shield and still have an analog stick for movement in the world.

[The Great Melon]

They might as well add the orb and motion sensing to sub controller. I don't see how that would hinder it in anyway. The gyro sensor might make it cost a little more, but the orb shouldn't add too much to its price, it's just a light.

[chavafx]

thats right $79 and u are multiplayer ready and you can actually move / kick/facial recognition/boise recognition/

natal it only does everything

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

No please. I want Hardcore gaming.

''natal it only does everything''

C'mon, you are even copying the popular phrase of the PS3 Ads?

Then I think you forget another phrase like:

''Microsoft Make.Believe'' or something.

[DatNJDom81]

Sh!t thats why the 360 I had couldnt play the 7.1 surround sound, I needed natallzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Better go rebuy another one.......... Oh wait you mean voice recognition......... Schools, Do you has it?

[shadow2797]

Really disappointed in this. Basically this means that all the cool Dual wielding Move demos will be confined to a ring. No gladiator, or archery in a free roaming environment, at least not in the ways they've been shown so far.

I want a Zelda-like game where I can Run, pull out my bow, draw the arrow back, and fire. This isn't possible. They'll probably do it where you hold the bow like normal, but instead of drawing it back, you just hold down the trigger. It works, but it's not as nifty.

And there's no way (that I can think of) to do the sword and shield in a free roaming environment. The best they could do is have a block button, but that's not as fun, but again, it would work.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Sony will have a dual analogue, dual tracking motion system on the PS4. Or Sony will release a Move+ Sub-controller that will track motion in 3d space in a year or two.

[BryanBegins]

Totally agree! Ideally, we would need two analog sticks on the Move controllers. So that, with these two, we could have 1:1 tracking of both hands AND not being on-rail.

[prodg52]

in development. If you remember if if you saw the early concept drawings of the device, there were pics of attachments for the controller. I bet they'll release a way to attach a move controller to the sub controller to add motion tracking with the left hand.

[ironmonkey]

yea well that kid stuff is selling millions thats why nintendo is 1st on the list of everything. sony has won the hearts of the most hardcore gamers out there, their just trying to give the younger audience a chance to play daddy's favorite machine to

[Morbid Bulldozer]

One drawback of Move - it's ridiculously expensive! If you want to play all types of games with 4 players, then get ready: 8 x Main Controller + 4 x Subcontroller + 1 x Camera. Ouch.

[prodg52]

only 4 move controllers can be used at the same time. So it would be one combo pack (camera, move) + 3 moves and 4 subs.

Edit:As of right now, the sub controller doesn't have any type of motion sensor so it should be cheaper or the same as the wii nunchuck (17.99 on Amazon)

[RedPawn]

I will wait to see more but:

1.At least they're not forcing you to buy these controllers to play the games, and catergorizing, along w/all their IP's

2.Expensive is when you bring out handhelds that are $20 less then your actually console, w/unattractive appeal.

We'll see how this works out, and who's behind it, and if Nintendo will bring out the Power Glove 2, which can really rip the hearts out of Online opponents.

[Morbid Bulldozer]

4 at a time? That's better, but still pricey. On the other hand, if it actually works, I'll buy it anyway :P

[tudors]

"One drawback of Move - it's ridiculously expensive! If you want to play all types of games with 4 players, then get ready: 8 x Main Controller + 4 x Subcontroller + 1 x Camera. Ouch."

Natal does not have such a problem, I think a great game for Natal would be if like you are able to scan a skateboard you can maybe make your own shields and stuff, cardboard cut outs lol, that's the beauty of Natal, it is much more flexible, IMO Sony fans are a little disapointed.

[Jellzy]

Dissapointed with Sony on this one. Seems they completely missed the ball on this.

All that needed to be done was to add an analogue onto the move and we'd be in buisness.

In an FPS for example 2x Moves would give you complete control over the walking running etc, and camera controls via the 2 analogues (as we have now with the controller), and the motion detecting would be used to control the on screen characters arms, hands, aiming etc...

Seems like more of a missed oppurtunity IMO, but perhaps I'm judging it a bit too early. I'll wait and see but so far I can't say that it's anything more than a glorified Wii controller.

[GenerationWinner]

This is gonna get ugly for sony. They are havin such a bad year allready and then this comes out.

[God_Of_Epicness]

Yeah, Heavy Rain, MAG, GOW3. Yup. Bad year CONFIRMED.

/s

Xbox has so many exclusives in line. Furthermore, it's Alan Wake! The guy who could kill ghosts with his freakin' flashlight! That's cool. Anyway, who wants to buy FF13 on PS3 when they can buy it on 360 which is ten times better.

[GenerationWinner]

the droids as allways are blinded by the sony brainwash engine. Their next competition was gonna be Ann Summers outlets but they gave up on that. Now it seems it gonna be nintendo cause they cant keep up with the 360 haha.

Come back when 1 exclusive scores higher then mass effect. And by the way final fantasy 360 version scores higher than ps3 version go check. Stop coming back the ps3 titles they all flopped badly so far this year. Even 3rd party studios are pushing out games better the sony exclusives these days. bayonetta ring a bell. battlefield 2 ring a bell. Heavy rain lol what a flop that was and to say that you droids have been ranting about heavy rain for 2 years and then it flops oucchhhhhhh heavy pain to bare i guess and it shows in all the droids comments on this website which is makin it ultra boring now days.

[tinybigman]

Yours is the dumbest comment I've ever seen on this site so far. HR a flop? With over half mil sold for a niche title, I think that's pretty damn good.

And as much as a love ME2 I would consider it a flop with its sales in europe all but dead. It probably won't even match its part one numbers because your fellow xbots won't buy the damn game.

And I really thought ME2 would sale 3 million, oh I guess M$ fanboys don't buy games.

[Figboy]

in the end, hardcore gamers still get God of War 3, we still get The Last Guardian, we still get Gran Turismo, we still get Wipeout, Twisted Metal, Agent, Resistance 3, Killzone 3, Uncharted 3, etc etc.

it's not like they built a WHOLE console around the premise of motion controls, and basically forced every developer working on said console to produce motion controls for it.

if all Move ever does is pander to the casuals, it's not going to hurt the hardcore bunch.

Sony has shown a tendency to treat it's hardcore fans well.

the fact that it took 3+ years for the PS3 to get a true Wii copycat is impressive, considering that, for 3 years, the Wii has been printing money, and Sony is all about the money.

they are simply broadening their horizons with Move, just like MS is broadening their horizons with Natal.

if the casuals jump onto Move and Natal, then Sony and MS win.

they won't be dumbing down hardcore games, because Sony's first and second party developers don't roll like that.

if there is potential for Move to elevate hardcore gaming, we'll see it implemented in some way (like SOCOM 4, where you can still play the game the traditional way, and motion controls fans can play it with the Move controller).

i'm not into motion controls at the moment, but if there is one company that could find a way to make a hardcore gaming application work with Motion controls in a way that we'd enjoy, it's Sony.

afterall, i thought games like Ratchet, Uncharted, and Killzone 2 did a good job with their minimal motion controls. but then again, those games didn't revolve around the motion controls like so many Wii games HAVE TO.

for the PS3, Move is really just an option. a peripheral for developers to play around with. it's not going to hurt "our" gaming experience if some of Sony's MANY developers create more casual titles.

in the end, this is going to make Sony a LOT of money if it takes off.

it'll be "an HD Wii" to the casuals, and with the growing number of HDTVs in households world wide, i'm sure that will appeal to them. especially with the PS3 being $300 and doubling as a Blu Ray player.

i think it's win/win for Sony here.

[Oner]

See that's the issue Fig ~ Certain gamer types will ONLY focus on "Item Z" as if it is the one and only main aspect when it clearly is NOT. The Move is OPTIONAL, actually the use of 2 Move controllers is OPTIONAL, The new rumored PSN subscription is OPTIONAL which means it offers MORE choices to everyone. If you don't like it then no big deal, you will still get your Hardcore titles like Uncharted, GT, GoW, Resistance, Mag, Socom and MUCH MUCH more. UNAFFECTED. But IF the game dev wants to add it to their game they can do so OPTIONALLY! How is that a bad thing?

While on this topic, I wanted to post this here as well since I feel it's pretty important of which "certain gamer types" ALWAYS seem to forget ~ The Eyetoy was using/being developed with controller peripherals LAST GEN on the PS2 YEARS AGO (since about 2002 or so)! Before the Wii's version ever came out. So in actuality Sony were the originators of the concept for console use!

But you won't hear them or the Mass Gaming Media talk about that truth. Not even a little blurb about how Sony has been working/developing this for OVER 10 years or so! I personally am not really interested in it and will almost undoubtedly not purchase it...but does that not mean I cannot appreciate/see how it's accuracy absolutely owns how my Nin Wii feels/reacts? Nope. I will keep an open mind about it until we start seeing quality titles (not mini game style) like Ape Escape, Echochrome 2, maybe Sly or even Prince of Persia or when it is integrated into already standing games like Hustle Kings, High Velocity Bowling, Boxing, Flower, Pain, LBP, RE's, Ratchet/Jack/Crash style games and so on.

What it ultimately boils down to (for me at least) is Accuracy, Finite Control and Lagless Speed. THAT is what TRUE gamers (Hardcore or Casual) demand and out of all the "Motion" peripherals out there the PS Move has that figured out pretty damned well. The fact is the PS3 does do "everything" because it can do HD, Media, Internet plus what the Wii can do and Natal as well because the PS Eye is a camera in itself on top of the Games the PS3 have or can do already! And as if I didn't need to re-iterate it ~ the PS3 is the one who started this all. Innovation is synonymous with PlayStation. That CANNOT be denied no matter who says what or tries to downplay it.

[tudors]

has to include Zelda and Mario.

[XxDeathDoctorxX]

name one xbox 360 game that looks better than killzone2 :-) u stupid xbot

[stonecold1]

games since last september when flopza arrived they all bored and just troll what ps3 related articles they proably work just sit on a computer all day do nothing hey bot metro is on pc same with masseffect so its not an exclusive morons