God of War III utilises 35GB of Blu-Ray space

The Lost Gamer writes "Tim Moss, Director of Technology at Sony Santa Monica, has revealed the monstrous amount of space that God of War III is set to take up on Blu-Ray."

[Jamie Foxx]

gow3,uncharted 2 and mgs4 are becoming headaches for multi plat developers.

do they use blurays advantage to theirs or limit their ideas and stick with dvd9? they could make two versions of the same game but ms would try put a stop to that,they could go exclusive but then they would make more revenue going multiplat,this is why theres anger that microsoft is stopping gaming as a whole from progressing and why so many developers are now being vocal about the constraints now and it'll only get worse as time goes on because as we have seen sonys exclusives have improved graphically yearly since ps3s release, just think how many developers would love their game to win 150 accolades like uncharted?

rockstar thankfully chose the latter option in the form of.....'agent' and from things they have said you get the feeling this is the game they wanted gta4 to be.

this whole disc constraint problem is going to get alot worse

[FangBlade]

“#GOW3 35Gb of goodness. Thank heavens for Dual Layer Blu-Rays”

Wait, but I thought Blu-Ray was not needed. ROFL

[kratos123]

lol totally true also this game is just too good i just cant wait to have it in my hands

[NickIni]

You can't really accuse Microsoft of holding back technology. Sony took a gamble with Blu-Ray and it paid off, Blu-ray could have gone lost the format war at great expense to Sony, fortunately it didn't. When Microsoft designed the 360 it was unknown how newer formats would perform, so they played it safe.

[thereapersson]

There will be only CHAOS

[Jamie Foxx]

the HD-DVD and bluray concept was finished way before 360 and ps3 was released,microsoft could have gone with hd-dvd as standard but

1)they would have had maybe only a half year headstart rather than a year
2)price would have increased

so basically microsoft thought of their pockets and beating ps3 to the punch rather than whats best for their consumer and gaming

another good thing if microsoft had waited to include hd-dvd and not rush the console to market would have been correcting the mistakes on the faulty console and eliminating RROD before it started.

[SaiyanFury]

Actually, the BD topology can be applied even further than a standard 50GB dual-layer. Pioneer is developing high capacity discs directly based on current BD technology that will expand ultimate capacity up to 400GB. Their research shows capacity to be usable on current BD lasers and drives and should be available in the future at a reasonable price. They've been working on this for a long time, and eventually, 400GB BD discs could be the future, and ultimately compatible with the PS3. That bodes well for developers looking for high capacity solutions that want to develop very large games, but don't want to move beyond the current BD drive format. Sony wasn't wrong with integrating BD drives in PS3s. They wanted to future-proof the console and have done very well in doing so. The Xbox 360's DVD-based medium's lack of expandability is ultimately doomed in terms of future expansion. As the proliferation of HD graphics and content expands, you need more space on discs. BD is the future. At the very least, the near future.

[leila01]

Can you guys imagine the amount of space GT5 is going to require!?

EDIT: I just remembered, God of War 3 will be released with a lot of "bonus content", so that + uncompressed audio are probably going to eat up some space.

[NickIni]

Microsoft were unwilling to gamble with a format that was unproven to be successful, and in all fairness they had every right to be. Sony took a risky business strategy by adopting blu-ray. Hell, if it had bombed it would have had colossal impact on how the PS3 performed sales wise.

[Lifendz]

Or maybe because Dante's Inferno fit on one DVD it still isn't necessary? /s

[bnaked]

35GB, without video files!!!

[Chaos69]

Actually, it has tons of video and audio files (making-of, behind the scenes, recap of the GOW series...). I looking forward to the game too, but lets cut the BS ok.

[raztad]

@Nikini

Although I agree MS cant be blamed for playing safe, the xbox360 was a step backwards for the platform. Where is the Hard Disk? at least a 20G HD would had allow for installing games (or part of it) as a standard policy. NVM. MS just played cheap and the results show.

On topic: 35G of non cgi pure gameplay madness. I've been playing GoW Collection and GoW2 blew me away. Incredible graphics for a PS2 game. Textures are mindblowing, so much detail. The PS2 was a little powerful beast.

[Rainstorm81]

Sony is known for taking choices ie: Cd developed partly by sony, DVD, and now Blu Ray. Sony is for the advancement of storage technology..

Where as microsoft is for keeping things the same as long as possible(ie : Windows). They only take risks when they see other companies' risks paying off. (like Zune & entering the console market)

Blu ray and DVD were quickly successful because of Sony(original xbox couldnt play DVD movies out of the box remember?), taking risks and putting the formats in their gaming consoles and it payed off, for the industry and for gamers. If MS took a chance on HD DVD, HD DVD mightve been the standard right now.

No Risk = No Reward

In the end there will only be Blu Ray

[FamilyGuy]

And don't forget, there is NO cgi anywhere in this game to bloat that size. It's all in-game content.

Oops
"Actually, it has tons of video and audio files (making-of, behind the scenes, recap of the GOW series..."

he's right

[Shaman]

MS didnt have a choice.First thing is that Sony didnt expect blu ray diodes to fu*** up release date,but they did.Second thing Sony didnt think they will have to delay it for year and half on their biggest market(Europe)and in the end they wanted to kill two birds with one stone:while risking blu ray they will at the end win format war and the second ps2 users will buy ps3,now if ps3 didnt come out so late and expensive that would probably happen.In the end MS did what they had to do,be first in next gen market no matter of what,and they succeed now Sony plays catchin up.

[Rainstorm81]

I agree because of their decision they are curently playing catch up in the sales department.

But that same decision leaves everyone else playing catch up in the game quality department.

No game on 360 or Wii will win over 150 awards, Why you ask? Because they both still have one foot in the last generation.360 with DVD & Wii with being a gamecube.

I predict the gap will only increase as devs master the blu ray and the PS3 & the sales gap is already decreasing. (gap shrank by 3 mil in one quarter) I also think PS3 exclusives will continue to surpass all gamers' expectations.

Sony does these tough decisions so their consoles can have longevity.
10 year life span anyone?

[sikbeta]

WOW That's a Lot, HUGENESS Gaming Experience and YES, Blu-Ray is NECESSARY

Gamers FTW!!!

[beavis4play]

MS will be forced to come out with SOMETHING new (natal?) in hopes of remaining relevant. ps3 1st/2nd party games continue to impress with every release. sony could stick with the ps3 for another 3 years (if not longer).
by rushing the 360 out early with dvd9, they did capture some of the market. BUT, they're now stuck with antiquated technology which looks VERY old next to bluray.
by the time sony moves on from ps3 - i figure they're overall sales will have far outnumbered xbox360 sales. MS f#cked up in not considering the long-term ramifications of staying with dvd9. because of this, MS will be forced to abandon the 360 much sooner than sony will have to with the ps3. and with games looking the way they do right now on ps3,
MS will have a difficult time trying to sell a new system to non-360 customers.

[pixelsword]

"Blu-Ray isn't needed".

*laughs*

[sack_boi]

So, uncompressed audio + making-of (1080P) = 20-30GB? Leaving 5-15GB of pure gameplay. That's really good.

[pippoppow]

Instead of seeing their vision through they will design, redesign or cut content for parity across platforms. While I'm sure there is pressure from MS, it is ultimately up to Devs/Pubs but they see with wide eyes and slobber over the money to be made, so vision out the door.

360 not having a standard HD, DVD9 and charging extra for more discs is the reason why most multi-platform games are designed or cut to fit on 1 DVD9. After 7 years making DVD games which were filled to capacity, Devs are still just making games that still just fill up a DVD?!

MS in their desire to launch first to gain an advantage are partly to blame as well. Blu-Ray didn't matter to them and was thought to only benifit movies and even then HD movies didn't matter until Netflix (subHD). Also their desire to try and mass market the console by not including an HD in all 360 consoles further hampered Devs. MS being first out meant a lead greedy Devs couldn't deny.

Ultimately though, Devs are the main culprit. They claim exclusivity when they know it isn't true. They favor one platform/fanbase over another. They charge for DLC already on the disc. The worst offense though is placating to the 360. In doing so they are restraining their artistic creativity that holds back the industry and are doing a disservice to their fans on the PC and PS3 platforms.

Devs with integrity will see their vision through and if it means no 360 version or a gimped 360 version then so be it.

[Shaman]

I dont realize why so many disagrees?Its just facts,and its nothing bad...ok now rainstorm,you have to realize that i did not say anything about games,i mean obviously MGS4 and UC2 won so many awards because they were absolutely incredible,but that is not because of blu ray but rather developers.

Now on Sonys part,you guys can be sure that if Sony knew BR will bring them problems that will result in huge market loss they wouldnt go with blu ray.I mean blu ray is certainly advantage,but i would argue that non standard HDD on MS part is faaar bigger mistake.I dont think dvd is much of problem,to be honest alot of developers would be able to compress data MUCH and ship game on one dvd so you install it on HDD and it would be for example 3 times bigger data.That was biggest mistake,and as for MS abandoning 360,NO that would simply be the single biggest mistake of ALL of the mistakes BIG 3 made.They made a hell of money on software,hardware and LIVE,they were basically forced to abandon xbox,it was to late to the party,but anyone thinking MS is gonna abandon 360 soon is in big denial.

Games will start to ship on 2 dvds and problem solved(only if its not FULL of cgi like FF13,but then again that game sacrificed game for great looking videos),its still much better solution to have BR but its better then nothing.

[gamingisnotacrime]

MS choosing DVD9 over HDDVD may have been a good choice if they planned the 360 cycle to be of 4-5 years, but from this point on developers have already gotten the hang on HD games and are looking in ways to expand their vision, something the low storage in DVD9 cripples all the way.
Sony took the huge risk of launching a $600 console and they were loosing money on each PS3 sold, but for Sony Blu Ray success was way more important than HDDVD success was for MS. Overall, the 360 was okay to launch with DVD9, but 4 years later is looking obsolete, and the quality we are seeing from PS 1st party studios with Uncharted 2, GoW3, GT5, and others to be announced is like the PS4 has bben launched and is competing with the 360, not the 720. There is no challenge in a technical aspect from MS, but the games in 360 are still tons of fun and great looking on their own

[raztad]

LOL@sack boi

"uncompressed audio + making-of (1080P) = 20-30GB? " hhahahahah LMAO

Yeah man sure. Making off = 15G right? whatever make you sleep at night.

[TengkuAmir10]

Blu-Ray still isn't better!!!!!! DVD9 is WAY better without a doubt!!

/s

[zeeshan]

Yeah BU.. BUTT. BUTT.. 35GB is totally not needed for GOW3. You can easily compress that to fit DVD9 cuz teh BD iz not needed!!!!!!!

[Rainstorm81]

U2 filled a single layer blu ray & MGS4 a dual layer blu ray proof of what great devs can do with enough space at hand.

http://www.edge-online.com/...

[captain-obvious]

35GB of pure CHAOS
35GB of pure PWNG

yes that GOW3

[UltimateIdiot911]

MS did have a choice. They could have went with bluray from the start. I understand they were trying to beat the market but it is also clear that by doing so, you put out an inferior product. If MS had included HDDVD which was what the rumors said from the start, things could have been different. I remember thinking about a 360 before it was out when there was rumor about the HDDVD being included, turns out it was rumor and I end up getting a PS3 because I am the type of person that looks at the long term. I knew the economy was heading towards a recession.

It's quite clear MS did not consider about the long term, rather they wanted to capture a larger market. Now that they have succeed with the economy doing bad, pressure from Sony's 10 year life cycle, and the risk of upsetting their market, it forces MS to stick with the 360 for probably longer than intended.

[Shaman]

No,this is exactly what you guys dont understand.ITS ALL JUST BUSINESS.It was business decision from Sony to introduce BR.They will earn money on EVERY BR player sold,on every br disc sold,they will be payed royalties(well panasonic,phillips and few more...)and they had to gamble,and the best gamble is Playstation brand,their most famous and popular electronic hardware.It was business decision,im sorry for some of you acting like Sonys plane was to give you uncompressed cgi movies and sound just so you can enjoy it and them to lose BILLIONS of dollars in revenue,that was just so they can introduce BR through PS,nothing to do with storage.If it was so they could easily gone with dvd9 and standard HDD with 80 GB and everybody would be happy,sure BR is great advantage but you guys act like Sony intestinally lost so much money to give you cgi movies and looseless sound.

Neither Sony and MS are charity,they are GLOBAL multi billion companies looking for your money and nothing else only Sony thought they will get all those ps2 users and cover up the those losses from so many hardware and software units sold but in the end plan didnt work out,and you are crazy if you think Sony will let SCE to do the same mistake like this time.Money doesent grow on the trees my friends but we are those who give them,i mean i got two broken ps2 neither had free repair and 3 yr warranty like MS gives and there was ALOT of faulty ps2 but you now act like Sony is a saint and MS intentionally screwed with dvd issue and RROD.

[Godmars290]

???

Don't those games have to *be* multiplatform first?

Think you mean to say that to be able to fully explore HD gaming something more than DVD9 is needed. That as long as multiplatform titles are constrained by even considering the 360, those games will be limited.

[jack_burt0n]

I think the 32gb single layer discs are going to hit the market without anyone noticing and those dual layer are 64gb nice little upgrade before the 150gb's.

[PS360PCROCKS]

@ Jamie foxx, man do I have to agree with you. I'm no fanboy, but fuc* man, it's true the xbox IS holding gaming back currently. I would have never admitted that before, but now I'm a PS only owner and I see it. I don't blame Microsoft for not including a disc format they didn't know. But I do give Kudos to Sony, before all I said was "it's only for movies" but it does make a huge advantage to games.

[UltimateIdiot911]

I am well aware Sony is a business but you're thinking in black and white. You talk as if consumers can't benefit, consumers must always loses, and so on. Business needs customers, if you don't give your customers something to be happy about, something that is worth their time and money, then why would they ever come back.

Sony knew they would lose a decent share of the market. Their plans wasn't to maintain the huge market share as the PS2. What they wanted was to push Bluray and protect their brand image.

[rexus12345]

Actually MicroSoft did make the right choice with DVDs, the cheap price allowed them to steal a lot of market shares from Sony, but this is a sign they are going loose significantly to Sony if they don't come up with their next gen console really soon.

[willie6289]

First lets not bring up faulty hardware, we all know where that argument will end up.

Second, yes I agree that it is business and that Sony and MS are both in the business to make money. However there are different ways to go about it. For example Sony has learned from past mistakes (root-kit anyone?) that it is not in their best interest to screw over their customer. MS on the other hand has no problem giving it to anyone in order to increase profits. Now that is their business and they are free to do that, but I am free to not purchase anything from Microsoft. I have no problems with companies doing business but I wont bend over and grab my ankles while I give them some money.

[playnation]

but bu bu "who wants bluray, i dont want to watch movies on my console, i want to play games!"
hahaha.

[NFGC]

People need to realize the format war was ended it early 2008. MS has 2 yrs to adopt a BR add-on or continue on its own HD-DVD ext drive, but they dropped both..

MS was playing safe, but now they have became ignorant.

[DarkAzureIIIX]

"Actually, it has tons of video and audio files (making-of, behind the scenes, recap of the GOW series...). I looking forward to the game too, but lets cut the BS ok." uhmm that only the Ultimate Edition so I think that will be on another disc: http://www.amazon.com/gp/pr...

[IHateYouFanboys]

lol at anyone saying that games like god of war and uncharted wouldnt fit on a DVD, or even for that matter wouldnt be possible on 2 disks.

you do realise that both games are just straight point A to point B linear action games, dont you? both games are HEAVILY scripted, and both feature very little actual explorable terrain. theyre the type of games that could run on the original Playstation, albeit with a big hit in the graphics. take the graphics away from Uncharted 2 and youve basically got crash bandicoot with guns. thats all it is - simple one-dimensional platforming, never more than 1 way to go or 1 way to get there, and the APPEARANCE of a wide open world, but the actual explorable area is TINY.

yes, they take up a lot of space on the disk because sony like to leave EVERYTHING uncompressed for this very reason - so they can tell everyone how it is 'only possible on the ps3'. how there are people that havent cottoned on to this yet, im not sure, but theyve been doing it since before the PS3 launched. remember how Resistance Fall of Man was 'only possible on PS3', despite looking and playing like a PS2 shooter? they said it took up something like 18gb too, saying it wouldnt fit on a dvd. then it came out that they had duplicated pretty much the entire game across the dvd, with some parts more than once, in order to try and speed up load times. it was also uncompressed. the truth is that the game probably wouldve only taken up ~3gb on a dvd due to not needing duplication and being compressed.

God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 would be the same deal. completely uncompressed 7.1 sound, completely uncompressed everything, and probably some data duplication to get the 'no loading' effect that they both have. anyone that thinks for even a SECOND that Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 are not possible on the 360 needs to just admit theyre a sony fanboy.

and look, the fact is that until the MAJORITY of video games need more space than a DVD provides - including being compressed, which any GOOD video game should be - then Blu-Ray is NOT needed. remember, halfway through last generation the sizes of games started DECREASING as developers got more efficient and got to grips with the hardware. sequels that were bigger and better were nearly ALWAYS smaller in GB size than the predecessor.

[N4BmpS]

You know when you say " the fact is..." that doesn't really make it a fact; you're saying Uncharted could fit on a PLAYSTATION? A Playstation, I would like you to support that theory, no matter what you say you would have to take more away from the game besides it's graphics for it to fit on a 5th Generation console, you might as well MW2 can be on Dreamcast, which in any given case no it wouldn't. You're basing your entire argument off of linearity in these two games. Okay lets Do this Halo 3 is virtually a linear game are you going to sit at your computer/laptop and say it could have been put on an older console? let's say Nintendo 64(if it were under their licensing). Another thing you talked about the devs not compressing their data. you fail to mention that, that is really the beauty of Blu-Ray if the developers of Naughty Dog wanted to add more content then they could compressed their game alittle bit and put some new content on the game with no worries. Don't ever bring older console into the fray of an argument again, you made your self sound a little dumber than a fanboy.

[IHateYouFanboys]

yes, Uncharted could be done on the original playstation, minus the graphics. like i said, it essentially was by the exact same people, just with a different main character - crash bandicoot. same impression of big open levels, same disappointment when you see you basically just follow a corridor all the way through. same nice graphics for the time.

really, what do you think would be problems with having a graphically-down-graded Uncharted 2 on the playstation or playstation 2? tell me, because im struggling to think of any.

AI? nope, theyre just following standard routines in U2. move from cover to cover every certain amount of time, and if you havent moved after x seconds throw a pinpoint accurate grenade to your position to force you to move.

number of enemies? nope, never had more than 5-6 enemies on screen.

scripted events? nope, as theyre scripted they require minimal processing power. the helicopter always shoots the buildings in the same spot at the same time, the building always collapses in the same way at the same time, etc etc.

gameplay? nope, nothing extraordinary about platforming.

realistically, Uncharted 2 is a first generation playstation game but wrapped up with fancy graphics. yes, its entertaining - but its hardly 'omg teh blu-ray and teh cellz are teh bestest!!!!111one' worthy.

but please, now ive elaborated on my thoughts the ball is in your court to do the same.

[raztad]

@^^^^

Gameplay-wise UC2 could run on a PS2 but the same can be said for every game on the xbox so what exactly is your point?

Now if you add incredible visuals + awesome audio it's obvious you need something more than just few Gigs, something the BD provides and DVD lacks.

Now you came here pretending the scale of GoW3 can be done in a portable console. I would say thats utterly false. If you lower the scale to fit a lower spec console the game is not the same anymore.

[young juice]

whoa

so let me get this strait, you think that in 15 years the only the that has evolved on video game consoles are the "graphics".

first of all lets go over one of the many features that the ps3 and 360 have that the older consoles dont. OK dynamic lighting, dynamic lighting has little to do with graphics. in uncharted 2 there are a few puzzles that require dynamic lighting to solve. you also wouldn't have a flashlight unless the developers programed an entirely new light mechanic.

the ps1 ran on 16 Mbits of ram. so if all of the graphics were scaled down to 32 megapixels the original playsatation couldn't handle it.

wait a minute, what your saying doesn't even make sense. why did i waste time typing this up. im done now

[jalen247]

All I have to say is look at FF XIII (360) and FF XIII (PS3).

This should clearly show you why Uncharted 2, GOW III, Killzone 2, etc aren't possible on the 360 without making crippling sacrifices on the 360 version.

Not only would effects, physics and graphical fidelity have to be dumbed down because of the power difference between the consoles but everything would have to be compressed because of blu-ray versus dvd-9

Do you think a sub HD, jaggy, low resolution textures, compressed video, compressed audio, etc game was the vision Square Enix had for FF XIII?

FF XIII is probably the first real PS3 exclusive that utilized the advantages of the PS3 that was attempted on the 360. And it is a failure and embarrassment and basically answers the question: are PS3 exclusives possible on the 360 with a resounding "NO"

[HSx9]

looks like ima have to buy a new HDD.

[Anon1974]

That's incredible. As if Uncharted 2 wasn't enough proof, this should finally silence all those who claimed the "Blu-Ray drive is too slow!"

God of War III's director said on the Playstation Blog "As far as loading, it’s something we take pride in. We’re a streaming game, we don’t have load times" and it was confirmed awhile back that there was no install.

I can't wait for this game.

[Sarcasm]

I would hate to have to change discs on games like Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, GoWIII, etc. etc.

"But but but you're lazy to take 15 seconds to change a disc!"

:)

[insomnium]

Wow both of your posts rock! I am so 100% with you on this one.

[Digitaldude]

Holy crap whats on this game?
With no CG cutscenes, dammmmm...

[Karooo]

MAJESTIC.

[FiftyFourPointTwo]

and that my friends is why Xbots' Inferno failed in becoming a GOW3 killer.

[lh_swe]

And treating it any different is just retarded.

But I do understand if if only in part what you are trying to say; There is only one Kratos and there is a reason why we call cames like Dante's Inferno "God of War clones".

[TengkuAmir10]

"i like dante's inferno and bayonetta cos in bayonetta she had like her clothes taken off every time this finishing moves go on and in Dante's Inferno, there was this one girl who is quite hot who got killed and well, she was naked."

This is what xbot loyals say in a forum i found today. I mean WTF?

Anyway, "ONLY AVAILABLE ON PLAYSTATION" and ONLY CAN BE. Sorry Xbots. You people are losers. AHHAHAHAHAHA

[taylork37]

@tengku

So the xbots are the only losers here right? So you obviously have much better things to do than come on N4G and start spamming insults. You are clearly not a loser...

[stb]

And who are you to say so¿? loser!!!

[Upbeat]

wow halo reach is meant to be 35 gb on xbox, oh wait, the pissbox uses a dvd disk, silly me

[Tr10wn]

Time will prove anything, the fact is that if the game is 10 hours long is obvious that they didn't compress because 1st the game doesn't have more graphics than heavy rain and 2nd is a hack & slash which means a full linear game, and if thats the case well "FUEL" is a 130GB game uncompress.

[Awesome_Face]

Quality > Quantity

One of the many things you droids fail to understand

[Foliage]

And what you bots fail to realize is:

Quality+Quantity > Neither

Lucky for us, the PS3 is superior in both categories, and the 360 completely misses the mark in both categories.

Sorry bot, resume crying.

[MajesticBeast]

Did i hear my name?

[PS360PCROCKS]

LMAO!!! Dude that was beautiful timing, how hilarious. :) I'm feeling charitable, have a bubble! :

[BkaY]

i might be wrong..

[PirateThom]

Having more space on the discs sucks, I wish they would cut some content instead and sell it as DLC.

[Model]

yeah and i hate the boxart and it would be much nicer with lime green dvd box

[ChozenWoan]

lets make it a digital download since the disc format is so last gen.

[weazel]

Gentlemen, Gentlemen. Really chaps, it's not sporting to kick a fellow when hes down. :D

[nix]

oh the irony.

[sikbeta]

Yeah PirateThom, I'm with ya

Big-@$$ HDD Space for DLC FTW?

Nah, Blu-Ray FTW!!!

[beavis4play]

bubbles for all of you!

[Godmars290]

Why not? The other "fellow" was kicking at the PS3 the very first time it was getting up. The HD-DVD/BR contest should have been over as soon as memory limits were announced, and instead because MS wanted DDL to be the next thing we're still hearing how HD-DVD was better and should have won. Nevermind that people were settling for lower audio quality because of space limitations.

[Cernunnos]

Damnit.... I love the sound of compressed audio! Darn Blu-Ray, uncompressed audio and video...

[rkimoto]

... How is that so?

[Meryl]

I am doing sir ken's job today, ONLY On Triple A Station 3, bot box 1.5 does not apply.
Jump out, play b3yond!!

[Michael-Jackson]

BLU-RAY is needed!!!

;-D

[vicheous]

Just a little short of FFXIII's 37Gb!!

[leila01]

Right but unlike FFXIII, God of War 3 has no CGI. So it's 35gb of game content (uncompressed audio, high res textures... you know, things that matter). This game is going to be AWESOME!

[mushroomwig]

It's a shame that most of that 37GB is just cgi.

[Redempteur]

FALSE last week they said that THEY WERE NO CGI in the game since their new engine allowed them to do INGAME cutscenes at the quality they always wanted ...

NO CGIs ...

[OnlyOnN4G]

I believe mushroomwig was refering to FFXIII's 37GB being mostly CGI not GOWIII

[OnlyOnN4G]

wrong place

[sikbeta]

FF13 have 6.7GB or something like that of Gaming and the Rest is CGI, just do the Maths and is like 30GB of CGI in HD

GOW3 is equal to 35GB of Pure EPICNESS

[mushroomwig]

@Redempteur

Learn to read, I was refering to FF, not God Of War 3.

[IHateYouFanboys]

just because there is no CGI does not mean there are no FMVs stored on the disk. many games use in-game assets/engine for their cutscenes, but they store the cutscenes as FMV on the disk as this way they can get much more on the screen in the cutscenes without there being any slowdown etc. its still in-game graphics, its not CGI, but it is FMV.

Metal Gear Solid on the PS/PS2 did this a lot. it was all in-engine, but it was stored as FMV, therefor taking up a lot more space than it needed to. remember, the original MGS was on 2 discs despite being able to be completed in less than 2 hours. ever wondered where all that space went? now you know.

[Gimped Hardware]

However probably one of the biggest,most expansive and downright best games of this gen fit on a DVD - thus 7GB or less.....

That game - Oblivion.

Not saying that Blu-Ray has no place, just pointing out that games that fill more space aren't nessesarily going to be bigger and better.

[MasterA]

But would a BRD only Oblivion be better than a DVD Oblivion?

[Dr_Nefarious]

Which is the reason why oblivion looks last gen.

[beardpapa]

I think it's been said many times before that oblivion (and fallout 3 for that matter) is just a vast world with recycled textures and trees. I remember Morrowind was really huge too. I feel it's bigger than Oblivion but practically >70% of its dungeons were using the same floor plans and textures were rehashed everywhere. You ever try that mod in Oblivion that turns the whole map into a desert with tombs etc? The size of that mod isn't that big at all. Also, oblivion was never really a demanding 3D game. It may not look great, but people have been able to get the game to play at a pitiful 10-15 fps on a netbook on obviously lowest settings.

[chidori666]

mgs4 used 50 gb of blu-ray.. soo only kojima used the max of this midia.

http://www.ripten.com/2008/...

[raztad]

Oblivion looks like crap for current standards, and it will look a lot worse when GoW3 is out. Dont get me started with the awful animations and repetitive dialogues. Oblivion's a good game but hardly the best example of how dvd can be enough.

A better example would be GTA4, a very nice looking engine, very realistic npcs but still game was severely lacking in content and full of boring BS like playing darts with friends.

[GVON]

"mgs4 used 50 gb of blu-ray.. soo only kojima used the max of this midia."

He didn't
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
it's 33.2gb so less than GOW 3,and lots of MGS4 was audio

"I think it's been said many times before that oblivion (and fallout 3 for that matter) is just a vast world with recycled textures and trees."

Was going to write the same.

[OnlyOnN4G]

Does anyone know how much of UC2 is game data on the 25GB disk?

[evilmonkey501]

person who thinks oblivion looked like crap? Im a graphics whore. I need to look at something pretty. That's why I could never get into oblivion.I was having the same problem with dragon age, so I got it for the pc instead....people like me need bluray.Thanks Sony.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Bad example. Oblivion also reused textures, voice samples, and sound effects, making many areas of the world look the same, and CERTAINLY causing everyone to sound the same.

[Pillage05]

I've been playing Oblivion at max settings on meh pc...and it gets murdered by today's games on consoles. Not that it isn't a good game...just showing its age.

[awesomeperson]

Bots: "B-b-but it would only take 4 of our DVD's! Phew, blu-ray is not needed. We don't mind disk swapping, its not like its last gen or anything."

[DigitalHorror81]

Right out of my mouth. FOUR DVDs for God OF War Three. Terrible!

Got this pre-ordered along with HEAVY RAIN and my Final Fantasy 13.

[TengkuAmir10]

i pre-ordered this game, Gow collection and Heavy rain. This is going to be epic! I'm lucky i picked Sony over Microshaft. Just happy.

[taylork37]

Final Fantasy 7 was 4 discs. The system it was on must have been very last gen....

That's basically what you are saying about the PS1. It's funny what you guys make yourselves believe, and how hypocritical it really is. Enjoy playing games for one system douche bags.

[strotee]

Back during the FF7 days (97-98), what was the best available option for storing games? DVD's were not used yet in a gaming console, so they had to use CD's, so using more than 1 disc was a requirement.

In this day & age, we have the technology available to avoid using multiple discs and allow developers to actually produce what they dream instead of compressing, chopping, and converting left-overs into DLC.

[stb]

I like bots in denial, and so they continuous defend on the fact that generation pass and with it technology does grown forward, really this line

. It's funny what you guys make yourselves believe, and how hypocritical it really is.

Make more of an example of the today´s hypocritical issues in direction of how are you thinking towards the now´s days, really you sound more like color in the tv wasnt needed or better said, the HD direction wasn't needed..or the 3D...you folk and along other tht use say the same are of the most ignorant hypocritical people around, really it is sad that you don't want the evolution...to evolute lol my my, Bluray is needed, as well as the dvd was so stop such nonsense kid. end of the line.

[electricshadow]

Did you really just compare this generation to two generations ago? LOOOOOL. Good argument there.

[Tony-A]

Yup.... that's a valid argument..

Compare disc swapping games in 2010 to disc swapping games in 1994+

That's over 15 years. In those 15 years, we've seen:

~Touch screen improvement
~3D improvement
~Camera phones
~HD
~HD cameras
~iPods, iPod Touches, iPhones, iPod shuffles, etc.
~Commercialized hybrids
~An African American president
~Super-fast internet connectivity
~WiFi
~Multimedia in the palm of your hand

and tons more. But we just can't seem to figure out how to put all this onto one disc... *sigh*

[taylork37]

Misinterpret the comparison however you like. I'm not trying to directly compare the generations...Im trying to say that in 1994 when you did have to swap discs I'm sure none of you were complaining. A good game is a good game, no matter how many times you have to swap a disc.

You guys are over exaggerating the the impact of using multiple discs just to discredit a system that you don't like. You guys are losing out because you refuse to play on any other system other console and you have convinced yourselves that somehow the PS3 is so much comparatively better than it actually is.

[Tony-A]

I understand what you're trying to say, but it doesn't really resonate.

In 1994, when disc swapping was needed in PSOne games, etc., we had relatively low standards for gaming. The CD was new technology and it was surprising enough when a game could fit on one disc. Now that the disc format is pretty much perfected, and space on a disc exceeds that of an entire console back in 94, disc swapping is unusual for games of this day and age.

4-5 years after the release of the PS2, we saw MASSIVE games in the form of GTA: San Andreas, which was able to fit onto one disc. That's 2004, a year before the 360 launched. To be here 5 years later and still have multiple discs is something we wouldn't expect. I'm not saying it's a buzzkill in the sense that you should completely ditch a console, but when you want to get into the game and immerse yourself in what it has to offer, it really kills the mood.

And also, for those who whine about "if you complain about multiple discs, complain about installs", we're talking about an obstacle that was introduced in this generation as opposed to one introduced two generations ago; over 15 years. There is a difference, especially considering the install takes a couple of minutes of your time and requires no flip-flopping.

[taylork37]

I absolutely do see what your saying, and your point is clear up to one part. You say that you don;t want to lose immersion in a game by swapping disc, but you are downplaying the length of the installs on the PS3. I waited 10+ minutes for multiple games that I have played on the PS3.

When I have been waiting for a game for months and release day finally arrives...I drive to the store all excited. When I get home I pop in the disc to realize I have to wait 10+ minutes longer so that I can install something. It sounds very minute, and obviously 10 minutes isn't that long, but if we are comparing the 15 seconds it takes to swap a disc, or in the case of 4 discs 1 minute, its a lot longer for the install. I also may have to walk my dog, take a piss, get something to eat, stop playing...etc all while playing that game. Swapping a disc is absolutely painless. But thats my opinion.

[xaviertooth]

greenberg said dvd is enough.

[alb1899]

I just hope that all this G are not for HD movies because is a waste of space, i hope is for gameplay!!

[ChozenWoan]

all of GoW is in game action baby.

[IHateYouFanboys]

again, that doesnt mean that the cutscenes are not FMV. in-engine? yes. in-game? not necessarily. the easiest way to tell in games if the cutscenes are stored as videos is if you are able to customise the character at all - ala Uncharted and God of War. if you choose a different costume, but then the cutscene reverts to your normal clothes, it is indeed in-engine but is just a FMV stored on the disk. Uncharted does this, as did the original God of Wars iirc.

[GamerPS360]

BC2, Gow3, FF13, God have mercy on my wallet. By the way, BC2 and FF13 pre-ordered.

[XxDeathDoctorxX]

haha wow would take 4 dvds for god of war 3 on the crap box haha the 360 sucks its last gen

[DigitalHorror81]

have got to come to a point where you say...

"Hey...I can have 5 times the storage capacity in a Blu-ray for my 60$, or I can have 5 times LESS and still pay 60 dollars. I mean, if people really want to complain about the price of the media, you might as well get the best bang for your buck."

[TengkuAmir10]

4 DVD's? No it won't. It's graphical prowess is beyond imagination for 360. So no, i mean this game is not available on 550p... Only on PLAYSTATION

[mcnablejr]

A game i will be done with in like 3 days takes up that much space, well at least i wont have to install it (i hope).

it better be some beautiful game to justify the price of renting.

[kenpachi]

i think you got GOW 3 confused with modern warfail 2

[lh_swe]

So you are saying that the following are not worth buying?
Mass Effect 1+2.

Alan Wake.

Assasins Creed 2.

Bioshock.

Bayonetta.

Fallout 3.

Batman AA.

Dragon Age Origins.

Infamous.

Uncharted DF.

Shadow of the Colossus.

Ratchet & Clank ToD, ACIT.

etc...

All worth the purchase becuase these greats will always be worth coming back to.

[mcnablejr]

alan wake- is not linear
bayonetta-- i rented
fallout 3 (you must be joking, that game is massive , has tons of replayability)
Batman,once again alot more replayability, but i can see why fans would buy.
Dragon age- another rpg, alot of stuff to do
infamous (massive game alot to do)
uncharted (only played briefly, i borrowed it and couldnt be bothered, its a shiny tomb raider)
shadow of the colossus (on ps2, and is massive open world)
r&c ( i purchased every ps2 version (replayability is massive , thats obvious).

Going back to bayonetta, its obvious to see the simmilarities, i do not think it deserved 10's simply due to the fact that i can be done with it in like 3 days, anyone could. if i bought it i would be wasting money.

[talltony]

Your kind of missing the point. Bluray can just hold more quality in it. That doesnt always translate to length of a game. People are making the game so it cant be too long especially for a action adventure game. My point is that bluray doesnt always translate into a longer game it usually translates to quality like lossless audio, more High rez textures, and HD Video. I think the biggest stength of the ps3 is bluray more than anything else. SOny was definetily thinking of the future when they put bluray into the ps3 and its becoming more apparent that bluray can be very important for high quality games.

[lh_swe]

"uncharted (only played briefly, i borrowed it and couldnt be bothered, its a shiny tomb raider)" - Sure it takes a lot from Tomb Raider but this is miles beyond what Tomb Raider is and ever was I mean where are the awards for those games? I am sure the won some but nowhere near the praise that Uncarted got and there is a reason, you may not see it as we are all different and like different games.

"r&c ( i purchased every ps2 version (replayability is massive , thats obvious)." - And replay-ability in Gow is as obvious to me as I have played the first 2 times and the second 3, and again there is a reason why the first two won soo many awards. Or I know it's all a big conspiracy awards mean nothing because they are all bribed!

[Anon7349]

You talk as Bayonetta didn't have more replayabilty than any of the games on your list.

For starters Bayonetta has a combat system deeper than any fighting game out there, that includes games like blazblue, SF4, and SSBB. Bayonetta also has TONNES of unlocks, and eventually you can unlock a new character that has some moves that are COMPLETELY different.

Bayonetta is game you need *thousands of hours* to master, it has tonnes of weapons and puts every other game of the genre to SHAME with it's combat system. That includes games like GoW, Dante's Inferno, DMC.

You think Bayonetta is a DMC rip off? It's made by the person who INVENTED THE G-E-N-R-E and the first DMC game.

Bayonetta is a great game, It has tonnes of replayabilty, tonnes of weapons, tonnes of content, a great combat system and has lots of references to older games like Viewtiful Joe, DMC, ect

I'm not saying GoW is a bad game either, it has a really good combat system, but unlike bayonnetta that isn't the main reason why I play GoW games.

God of War games have a GREAT story, GREAT graphics, and just this all around feel of an epic game. I love the puzzles in GoW, and the lore is interesting.

God of War is an amazing series, and I recommend that everyone go and pick up the third installment but give bayonnetta a chance, even if you don't own a 360 the problems in the PS3 version do not mean you should not get it. Although I REAAAALY HATE Sega for the horrible port.

One thing I do find interesting is that Droids are treating Darksiders and Dante's Inferno like 360 games even though the PS3 got the MUCH superior version of both of them. I'd expect droids to brag about the superior multiplats like the bots do.

I've noticed that PS3 has lots of superior multiplats... like

Batman AA
Katamari Forever
Super StarOcean
Dante's Inferno
Prototype
Burnout Paradise
Mercenaries 2
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
Darksiders
Assassin's Creed 2
Military Madness Nectaris
Eternal Sonata
FF13

That's it for my poorly written wall of text I guess, I suspect I'm going to get lots of negative bubbles and disagree from both sides.

[mcnablejr]

but i certainly do not think it deserved 10's, the experience you get is amazing during the brief time you spend playing it. and as for tonnes of unlockables? you mean some power ups and some costumes.. that is not tonnes , simple as that.

''Bayonetta is game you need *thousands of hours* to master;;.. erm.. err
o..k. Just how many people have done this.??

surely people can see my point when it comes to replayability, mabye games have too large price tags.. or mabye im just picky. Its normally around £40.00 and for something i wont spend too long playing , its hard for a ggame i can complete in a week to justify that kind of cash

[Anon7349]

Well you're the UK so I don't but this how I look at it

$40-69 for game that lasts 10-200+hours

I work 2-3 hours for $40-69.

2-3 hours is a fair trade off for something I'm going to being playing for possibly hundreds of hours.

Also, Bayonnetta has a lot more unlock than you think... it has LOTS of weapons and equipment, a TOTALLY new character, LOTS of costumes and LOTS of abilities and power ups.

I think you, anyone who has ever been on the fence of buying bayonnetta, anyone that interested or likes the genre and EVERYONE else NEEDs to watch this video.

[mcnablejr]

i could see exactly how many unlockables there were.
there were necklace thingy's which gave you random power ups.
costumes..
a few weapons, one character.

[air1]

bayo is a great game, love it.. way better than dantes inferno..

i do see mcn's point to a certain extent. but i blame that on game pricing how the fvck is it that gow3 will cost me 60 bucks and a game like DI costs the same too? sh!t gow2 had bigger battles than what i have seen in DI so far. its just not doing nothing for me like bayo did with all the crazy combos i know it doesnt have huge battles either but it came with a very very deep fighting system at the least..

news flash action games like this will not give the amount of content like a rpg would. so mcn just cause it doesnt last as long as a fallout 3 or oblivion does not mean that it shouldnt get 10 it was not meant to compete with super long lasting games like rpg's. just check the history of action games and you will see the actual game doesnt last long but offer other things that take a while to master "gameplay" example ninja gaiden 2 and bayo

you almost come off as only ps3 exclusives should get 10's

[mcnablejr]

games of this gen which imo deserve 10:
metal gear solid 4
Call of duty 4
Oblivion
Gears of war 2
Halo 3 (not odst)

atm im loving bad company 2, if i like the full game as much i think id give it a 10.

these are purely my opinion, so i dont expect disagrees's even though they are kind of inevitable.

[Anon7349]

4 out of 5 of your games are shooters, what does that say? I don't even think your opinion can be token seriously because of that. Especially since most be regard Oblivion as the most disappointing sequel this gen. But this gives me an idea why you didn't like bayonetta, you're probably a casual gamer and don't expand much from the Shooter genre.

On a more serious note..

Are you kidding me? OBLIVION? SERIOUSLY?

That game was almost unplayable with LOTS of mods on PC. The leveling mechanic was broken, all the dungeons are the same generic cave done over and over again, the huge map everyone brags about is just one big GREEN splat of land with a few cities to balance it out, the fighting mechanics are broken, all magic skills are pretty much the same with different colours/aoe/magika used/element type, graphics were behind even on PC... especially the animations, tonnes of glitches, the melee combat was broken and countless other flaws that make this game one of the biggest disappointments of this gen.

Morrowind is better in almost every single way possible.

Halo 3.

Why? that's the biggest question here. It's a mediocre FPS at best.

There is nothing that makes it stand out to other FPS, it's graphics are nothing but a shinny original xbox game and the animations look like a PS2 game. The game has hardly changed from the first 2, and what it did change... wasn't for the better. At least for the most part.

The gameplay is were it's the worst though, It's completely catered to casual and is stale in comparison to other much superior FPS games like Crysis, Far cry, Counter Strike, Unreal series, Quake series, Team Fortress, Team Fortress 2, battlefield series and hundreds of FPS games that already exist and did a much better job of the genre.

Call of duty 4 is pretty much the same thing as Halo, except it's even worse because of broken mechanics like kill streaks, grenades, explosives, weapon unbalances, grenades, perks, glitches and grenades.

Gears of War 2.

No, just no. No way does a game that lags and as much glitches as this game deserve anything near a 10. Plot is non existent and the gameplay is catered towards casual gamers again.

The main reason why it's popular is because it's just a bunch of giant muscular meat heads shooting stuff with gore and blood everywhere.

FINALLY MGS4

MGS4 had out standing gameplay, amazing graphics, spectacular emotion.. you actually care for the characters, tonnes of replayabilty, A decent online but you know what keeps it from deserving a 10?

Plot.

The plot is suppose to cover up all the mysteries from the first game, and for the most part... it does that... but the way it does that is a JOKE.

The way they covered everything from past games and drove the plot forward was just lazy. LOLNANOMACHINES DID IT.

The fact that you thought there was only one unlockable character makes me doubt you even played the game. There's 3 playable characters in total.

The game has tonnes of content and unlockables and I HIGHLY doubt you unlocked 1 tenth of the stuff available for you to unlock and do.

Now I'm out of bubbles and so are you so I guess this is over.

[Dutch Boogie]

Man i've been waiting for GOW3 since like forever. Now i get to experience the most EPIC! action games ever in a few weeks. My ps3 could use a hug right about now. I'll be right back............

[fOrlOnhOpe57]

wall-to-wall crammed full of 35GB of epic goodness

[jhani]

loading time in gow3? Did they say anything about loading time?

[divideby0]

as with the last GOW games...no loading, or minimal at best that I could recall at all..
I didnt play the demo, but watched vids online and didnt see any loading ??
and wait till you hear the audio, if you have 7.x.....its gonna be unfrigging real...none of that compressed mp crap, for those that have a discerning ear

unlike the best 360 game I just completed ME2...and I have been a advocate of BR for my 360 from day one.

all the BR dissers...choke, choke...

[divideby0]

disagrees...what are disagreeing with... does GOW not run seamlessly, technical aspects of blue ray...how ME2 could have been better with blue ray or just continuing to choke on your own beliefs that BR is not the way to go for games ?
its kewl to diagree, we all have our own opinons but blind disgarees are meaningless, as with multiple accounts on web sites...we all know that

[remanutd55]

In The End There Will Be Only Chaos !!!!!

[rmedtx888]

That will be what??? 4 DVDs?...

[Neo604]

only possible on the ps3.

[Rageanitus]

why because PC games have been having game installs well beyond 8 gigs .

PS2 has used multi dvd's before.

the Early ps3 games even used just a tad more or just a little less than dvd 9.

Now the new games even though they are not the best vs pc games are using alot of memory... hellloo

But then again MS followers dont mind multidiscs.

[divideby0]

MS was just in to much of a rush to get a console out..hence the hardware disaster...MS quickly replied with HDDVD and it failed as many of us thought it would for movies and so there goes games.
I finished ME2 and I went through 3 disk swaps trying to replay the ending..inconvenience absolutely...game killer no...but than again...it clearly would have been better on BR..you cannot deny it...if nothing else but superior audio.
MS is smart we all know that..they have to have something up their sleeves, cause over the next year games on BR are just gonna be superior to games on DVD...the diff. will grow larger and larger...RockStar, Capcom stated their preference for BR

[bjornbear]

now if it was mutli-plat...this would not be the case =(

[redsquad]

So, LITERALLY only possible on PS3.

[stonecold1]

god of war 3 i knew the ps3 was way more powerful than the 360 sorry bots oyur machine only capable of what the wii handles end of statment

[Dying_clown]

Can't wait for this game to come out, but i sucks that i now have to clear out my PS3.

[frankymv]

this game is going to be EPIC

[galmi]

my thoughts are, when ms failed to make the hd dvd the standard, they should have just used it exclusively for their console, that would have helped them curb piracy and would have ceased this disc swapping nonsense for some games but they just went to dvd9, yeah its easier to work with and with compression, huge data can be stored on it but why go through the trouble when you could have made it easier for yourselves and game devs? bt i believe sooner or later they have to change their disc format to something bigger than dvd9, its necessary.

35gb of data for gow3...why???

hardly makes any sense, being the fact that its nt an rpg i wonder what makes it this big?

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

The most common comment from the fanboyism:

''blu ray is useless''

''blu ray is worth it only in the moviez!!''

[Bullseye]

ME2! For me, best game this gen by miles, and stunning graphics.Blu ray is great to have and can be an advantage for some things, but essential? Nah, not convinced. Well,I haven't seen that case proved so far.However, I do agree there will be time when DVD won't be sufficient, I just don't agree it'll be this generation.Beside, who's to say Blu ray will have a long life,anyway? Currently, I still prefer to praise great games not BIG -in terms of MB - games.

Sorry guys, I admit I shouldn't really have put this comment here as it's not strictly on topic. I was kinda responding to an earlier poster in this thread.My opinion still stands,but yeah, 35GB is a lot, and obviously, that's only possible with PS3 and Blu ray. Hope that balances my post a bit.

[CryWolf]

This should show the bots how to make a Next-Gen game when you see the amount of space God Of War 3 takes up on that disc with real 720p High-definition and gameplay its worth having a Blu-ray player on PS3.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi_]

...oh well you lot know by now!!! ;-D

But saying that the ChavBots&ModBots live in the 'xBox LIVE' BUBBLE!!! ;-D They think what they think and they are stuck in their old ways. Oh well...their LOSS!!! ;)

[Shane Kim]

This guy should have his own wikipedia page...hahaah always makes me laugh :D

[AKS]

Does GoW III have 7.1 LPCM audio? I would almost think this would be guaranteed, but once again those of us with nice surround setups are left to wonder, as it apparently has nothing indicating 7.1 LPCM on the box. Only DTS and DD. Why Sony would go through the trouble of making a machine that is a generation ahead of the other consoles in terms of AUDIO (I'm just talking about sound only; no flames, please) but never advertise it or even indicate what the max audio specs of a game is on the box or manual is beyond me. They never let me know if a game has LPCM; I have to scour the internet for confirmation for ever single game.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

If you think about it, Microsoft's strategy was to have a cheap price point going in, but costing more in the long run. With Sony they wanted to be expensive in the short run, while being cheap to zero dollars in the long run.

Example:

1) M.A.G. (online only) is $60.00 to buy zero to play
2) Shadowrun (online only) is $60.00 to buy and $60.00 to play (when released)

Yet, people complain about M.A.G. for its price point, but don’t complain about Shadowrun?

In all honesty, a lot of people bought the XBOX 360 because it has the *most* games, with a cheap initial price point (being more attractive, the traditionist). With Sony it was rough because they came in with everything new, risking a lot not selling as much with fewer games with *quality* in mind (being the extremist). In the end Sony's strategy will pay off because Microsoft was thinking in the *now* while Sony with thinking of the *future*. It's like buying a house vs. buying a vehicle; sure the vehicle is nice to have to show off, but in the end only a house will go up in price with the exception of a few vehicles so I'll take public transportation (sure it may take longer, but still gets the job done). To me it's like a paradox, how the situation really is after thinking about it, thus being the definitoin of a paradox, lol.

[bjornbear]

no one plays shadow run....

loads of people play / want MAG

[gtamike123]

Blu Ray is needed for this gen

[Convas]

But you are correct. A larger HD storage medium is needed. Wake the F*** up Microsoft.

[gtamike123]

Think of GTA4 on 3 disks and change disk on each island :P

[ReBurn]

Everyone knows that the more GB's there are in a game the more fun it is.

[PS360PCROCKS]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I'm stoked, and still a little drunk I think

[Richdad]

BLu Ray definitely has the advantage but MS could still catch up by reducing HDD cost and giving game install (oh! thats already there).

I know this will limit Arcade users. But I dont think there are much arcade users.

[whateva]

Now that's a good Developer! Mario on the NES was less than 500kb !!

dev's now a days are just lazy and couldn't code a video game into a watch lol.

I'm Joking but imagine a 2D game like Mario 1 using this much data that would blow your mind and take years to beat. never ending mario levels lol.

[Lilith_Belial]

sick sick sad sad sad individual. Who would submit himself to such a torture?

[rawd]

I just saw a commercial for Halo Legends movie on Bluray

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Still not going to rent it, and neither can 360 owners

[Awesome_Face]

Halo Legends was streamed in 1080p HD for free for 360 owners

Only on Xbox Live

[awesomeperson]

Having an awesome person is better than having an awesome face ;)

[Obama]

Ironically halo legend bluray can be played on the ps3 but not the 360.

[Aceluffy]

"Played Xbox360's greatest flagship title on PS3"

:)

[sofocado]

"MS choosing DVD9 over HDDVD may have been a good choice if they planned the 360 cycle to be of 4-5 years, but from this point on developers have already gotten the hang on HD games and are looking in ways to expand their vision, something the low storage in DVD9 cripples all the way."

I disagree. MS choosing DVD9 over HD-DVD was a mistake, also Toshiba mistake was worse. Paying money to movie studios to stay exclusive. They should have use that money and provide internals HD-DVD for the Xbox 360, HD-DVD would not be dead if they did that since there is more Xbox 360 out there. Probably MS will find a better compression method or developers should start using 2 dvd, I think MS charge for the third dvd.

[Toman85]

I pity those who said Blu-Ray isnt needed, what do you say now.
Blu-Ray is the future gamers!

More GB more stuff and things we get in our games, uncompressed audio/graphics, more CGI or pure ingame graphics and cutscenes!

[Richdad]

BUt You can do it with HDD. Also compressed texture result in better grpahics.

Ingame graphics has nothing to do with Bluray. Its more dependent on Hardware. Blu Ray just gives you more storage space. So you can put a lot of stuff more levels, sounds, CGI's extra data etc.

Yeah it trumps in movie where it cn give very good True HD.

[Biggest]

Compressed textures = better graphics? Then screw that! Gonna get my a 13" tv right now and save a few bucks.

[IHateYouFanboys]

the fact is that 99.99999999% of people would NOT be able to tell the difference between a compressed image and a non-compressed one. compression algorithms are incredibly good these days - just the other day i compressed a Powerpoint presentation filled with high res photos from 120mb down to 3mb. that means i got it down to 2.5% of the original size, yet even on a HD projector that the presentation ran on, it looked the same as when it was 120mb.

compression is GOOD for graphics, as it greatly speeds up load times and allows for more stuff on the disk. de-compression is done on the fly, at virtually no processor cost, and the data can be read at probably even less than 1/10th of the time that it would take if it was uncompressed. thats good no matter how you look at it.

if you want to see a good example of compression, go find a nice big high detail GIF or PNG image, look it over, then save it as a JPEG and look for differences. you wont find any, other than the fact that the filesize has dropped down to about 2% of the original.

[arny]

In n4g they just put any crap on the front page

[jjesso1993]

Richdad i work shop that sells consoles games as part time job the one selling xbox 360 is the arcade i would bet my kidney that its probley the most bought 360 model. I bought it not becuase iam stupid becuase i got it 79.99 brand new and bought 120gb of ebay for 25.99 and and got xbox hdd case of ebay for £6.99 saving at time £120. my point is that microsoft never ever can go back they can not start selling games that only work on 360's with HDD, unless they start giving 120gb hdd for free with games but this is microsoft and its never going happen they shot themself in foot they should waited gone with HD Dvd even if did fail on movie what difference would this do to games they could also stoped most of the piracy on 360 who would download HD dvd games not many people i hope they learn from there mistakes next gen

[JonnyBigBoss]

Now there's a fun fact. It's really sad how people defend a format that practically stagnated technology. Who doesn't want technology to move forward? GO BLU RAY!

[Johnny Rotten]

The xbox 360 doesn't even have a fast forward/rewind button for the music player. HAHAHAHAHA!

[Immortal321]

Why we have games on multiple disc?

am I missing the point?

[Biggest]

I'd like to have a few games on 7 DVDs if possible. When they scratch I make decorative hangings with them.

[Immortal321]

I hope so, unless your those type of people....

don't try and spin this around. I am talking about 1 game that is on multiple disc.

[juggulator]

Sony has been saying even before the PS3 launched that bluray is the future of disc formats. Everyone thought that it wouldn't have any effect on gaming because they believed that bluray was only for movies and that the PS3 is just a bluray player. Devs are starting to realise the true potential of bluray and it shows with games like GOWIII or FFXIII from a multiplat perspective. MS's situation with HD-DVD was a joke. They had a year and a half head start but say that the 360 wasn't ready for and integrated HD-DVD drive. If it wasn't ready then, it'll never be ready. I don't see how MS would be taking a risk by giving devs more space to work with.

[juggulator]

It would have took almost 40 cartridges to put FF7 on the Nintendo64 which was the Playstations only competitor at that time. Sony has alwys taken the next step forward in game formats and they have the games to prove it.

[dragonelite]

Now i think it save to say most of that data in for cutscenes and sound.

In-engine rendered cutscenes(offline rendering)=CGI
But CGI doesnt need a engine to do it. Like the halo:Reach vga trailer was rendered offline with in-game assets.

[Bloodshedder]

In the end there will be only broken PS3 Systems!! lulz

[sashimi]

Funny how in the end there will only be broken xboxs in the 10 million range & more.

[nefertis]

CELL BROADBAND+BLU-RAY TIMES GOW3= PURE EPICNESS. PLAYB3YOND

[air1]

i cant wait for this game, i got dantes inferno to try make that wait a little easier. dantes inferno is a good game but from what i have played (didnt beat it yet) it doesnt offer much more than what god of war 2 did on the ps2. sh!t nothing so far in DI comes close to that first epic battle as soon as you start the game in gow2.

off tpic..

wtf is up with gamers this gen? why you ppl act as if the 360 cant produce great games? have you ppl played mass effect 2? alan wake looks very very good. i have both consoles if the 360 can still give me games like mass effect 2, alan wake, splinter cell ect. i will be happy with those graphics and if the ps3 can do better as we seen with games like heavy rain gow3 uc2 ect then great. this is just like last gen when the xbox had the most power hell even the cube had more raw power than the ps2 but that didnt stop some of the greatest games made on the ps2 now did it?

with all the time you little kids spend in here crying over the same sh!t you could be out mowing lawns, shoveling driveways ect. so that you can afford the luxury of both. the only loser this gen are those die hard fanboys.

[Biggest]

Can you give me a quick review of the super cool sexy beasts that are Alan Wake and Splinter Cell: Conviction? I'd love to enjoy them as much as you do.

[air1]

at first i was like wtf is this kid talking about but now i see that you are just trying to be ignorant.

why you ppl act as if the 360 cant produce great games? have you ppl played mass effect 2"?"

see that question mark? that was supposed to be the end of that statement.

i said alan wake "looks" very very good as in i havent played it but seen it. same with splinter cell.

i am anticipating on both games being great as "previews" have been saying they will be. now let me not lose you "I" know that the end result can lead to 2 garbage games but then that would be true for gow3 as well amiright and that doesnt stop ppl from thinking ( including my self)that it is going to be a bad as$ fvcking game.

now take you lame as$ and move it along

oh and i was mainly talking about graphics :P

[Biggest]

You said: "why you ppl act as if the 360 cant produce great games? have you ppl played mass effect 2? alan wake looks very very good. i have both consoles if the 360 can still give me games like mass effect 2, alan wake, splinter cell ect."

Am I wrong for thinking that you talked about those games being worth something as if you knew more about them than the nothing that anyone knows? And why do they matter? They'd look better and have more to them on BluRay. That is a fact.

[XDF]

I play games I don't care about how many gig a game hold. It doesn't do anything foe me. If it requires 2 or 4 discs like lost odyssey and Mass Effect 2, I don't think people outside of N4G cares.

If Sony exclusives uses 50 gigs, then great. Just adding my 2 cents. I know the disagrees will come but so be it.

[artsaber]

Why were 360 20GB hdds $100 again? Talking about getting fvcked on price/per GB. Oh well, Sony puts out games that are larger than a majority of the 360's hdd space.

But who needs Bluray?

[air1]

i have to agree. micro do fvck ppl with the prices on add on thats why i never upgraded from my original 20 gig and probably never will.

but the real question why should we be paying 60 bucks for a game like dantes inferno when it cant even hold a candle to god of war 2? why does every new game have to be 60 dollars knowing damn well that they just dont stack up to certain great games like uc2, me2, ect. that cost the same

DI is a good game but i would have felt better spending 40 instead of 60 and maybe it would have sold more. i mean c'mon when the guys over at ea seen and played the finished product they couldnt of have been thinking its a god of war 3 killer.. when its not even a gow2 killer. prices of games should be rethought, again how is it that gow3 costs 60 bucks and so does DI? i just dont get it

[Figboy]

God of War 3 doesn't use CGI videos.

Santa Monica has said that the cutscenes are in game, no CGI needed.

i'm not sure if it will go the Uncharted route, which is to render the cutscenes in engine, then convert that to video, or the MGS4 route, where the cutscenes were being rendered on the fly.

the excuse that "it's just video and audio taking up the space" may not apply to God of War 3, meaning that that 35gigs is probably various texture (and audio of course) assets. which explains why the game looks so damn good.

it's amazing what developers can do when they have a bigger palette to work with.

not every game needs 25gigs of space, but so far, the games that have utilized 25+ gigs have been rather impressive (ie, Ratchet, Uncharted, inFAMOUS, Killzone 2, MGS4, etc) on the visual and audio level.

SOME gamers just need to realize that more disc space is important for the growth of the industry.

this is, i think, the first generation EVER where a console manufacturer went BACKWARDS in terms of storage space:

Atari - Cartridges
NES - Larger Cartridges
SNES - Even Larger Cartridges
Playstation - CD ROMS (750megs)
Playstation 2 - DVD ROMS (4gigs, then 9gigs dual layer)
Xbox - DVD ROMS (4gigs, then 9gigs, dual layer)
Xbox 360 - DVD ROMS (6.8gigs dual layer; 1.8gigs are reserved for 360 specific formatting)
Playstation 3 - Blu Ray Disc (25gigs, 50gigs dual layer)

if the PS3 had stuck with DVD, then GIMPED itself by only being able to store 6.8gigs due to some weird protocol, i'd be calling them out on it too.

Microsoft has not only gimped themselves, but the gaming industry this generation.

i just hope they swallow their pride next generation and make sure that their console has

A) A standard HDD in EVERY Xbox unit

B) A larger disc format (if not Blu Ray, then they should MAKE a proprietary one, like Nintendo does each gen).

i'm absolutely FURIOUS that multi-platforms this generation are not up to par with exclusives.

last gen that wasn't really a big issue. sure, games like God of War 2 and MGS3 were really pushing the PS2, but multi-platform games like Prince of Persia, despite looking better on the Xbox, weren't hampered design wise.

the games were still including all the content they could fit on a DVD9.

NOW, though, content is being CUT because the developers don't have much room. we are paying MORE MONEY for less than what we got last year.

look no further than Grand Theft Auto IV for proof of this.

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas on the PS2 and Xbox took up a full dual layer, 9gig DVD. you had 3 big cities to explore, character customization options to a degree (you could dress and style your CJ, as well as make him skinny, muscular, or obese), and there were lots of fun mini-games/extras throughout the game.

GTAIV on the PS3 and 360 was one city, limited character customization (you could by Niko clothes, and that was it), and laughably shallow minigames (bowling, darts, and pool).

despite the fact that i actually enjoyed the level of detail put into the city (it really did feel like a real place), it was incredibly shallow on the game play end.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WAS?

difficulty in coding for the PS3 has nothing to do with the amount of content in a game.

disc read speeds have nothing to do with the amount of content in a game.

an expensive price tag on the PS3 has nothing to do with the amount of content in a game.

LACK OF DISC SPACE has everything to do with the amount of content in a game.

the truth is that Rockstar couldn't put nearly as much into GTAIV as they did San Andreas because they had to fit the game on 6.8gigs of disc space, AND it had to be an HD game to boot.

that's a full 2.2gigs LESS than San Andreas.

i don't care HOW GOOD The Lost and the Damned and the Ballad of Gay Tony were, if it were a proper GTA, you'd have gotten that content INCLUDED in one package.

so, basically, people paid $60 for GTAIV, then what, $20 for Lost and the Damned, and $20 for the Ballad of Gay Tony. $100, and yet the game STILL isn't as robust and packed as GTA: San Andreas, a LAST GENERATION game.

and people still want to argue that DVD is ENOUGH this gen, when it barely contained games like San Andreas and God of War 2 LAST GEN?

give me a fricking break.

console loyalty has sunken to a new low this generation when people are actually defending substantial steps BACKWARD in the industry like lack of a larger disc format and removing the hard drive as a standard feature.

this has been such an assbackward console generation for me. it's like i'm in some twisted bizarro world where people are happy to pay more for less content/quality, because PR and Marketing convinced them that their product was the sh*t, and everybody hopped on board the hype train. the fact that the gaming press drank the kool-aid too is equally disturbing.

i've never seen so many gamers happy to

pay for the "privilege" to access their own online connection that they're already paying for to play games with no dedicated servers.

pay for expensive add-on peripherals that are standard features in other consoles/handhelds (hard drives, wi fi, HD movie play back capabilities).

pay for defective hardware, and have to literally wait for MONTHS to get a repaired unit sent back to them when theirs breaks.

pay MORE money for games this generation ($60), when they are getting less content than they got last generation from the same franchises.

and don't even get me started on the "sales whores." those guys REALLY grind my gears.

this generation has truly boggled my mind. it really has.

[Cernunnos]

Microsoft is afraid of taking steps forwards, afraid of risks. The 360 is a proof of that. Why risk supporting a new format? Why risk new and impressive processor technology?

Same with their OS's. I have nothing against Windows 7, and yes, it's a very nice improvement over Vista, but to me, Win7 does not feel very 2010. Compared to XP from almost a decade ago, not much has happened, no new groundbreaking features. And most of the actual uppgrades are based on the same ideas other OS's has done a long time ago.

Win 7 is what windows Vista should have been, nothing more.

Now, could people stop saying "That's not needed!".

In the future we might complain about "Only 2terrabytes of ram", "only 10tb of disc space". Is that so hard to imagine, really? Things are happening fast, not too many years ago, we used floppy discs! 10gb hdd were pretty normal just 11-12 years ago you know!

[Drac]

Figboy, bubbles to you that was one of the best comments I've read in a while.

Cernunnos, yup one of the reasons I've been skipping versions of windows since 98, no 2000 and no Vista for me :).

What will be interesting is when the next gen comes how good will all the sony developers be as having worked with the more space this gen?

[-EvoAnubis-]

EXACTLY what I've been scratching my head over this entire generation. I really can't understand why, for the first time EVER, a next-gen format actually has LESS space than a previous generation, and this is somehow okay.

Yes, I too feel this has gimped this generation considerably. What did they expect; that games were going to get smaller? I think as this generation draws to a close, more and more developers are going to go PS3 exclusive, simply because the game they want to make can't be done on the 360.

[Dark360]

DROIDS Let See Hmmm...

20 Gig Cut Scene Videos...

10 Gig Multiple Languages...

And

5 Gig Of Gameplay = 10 Hours...

EPIC FAIL

...Sorry DROIDS Better Luck Next Time...LOL

[Anon7349]

GoW games cutscense are usually a few minutes long if you add the whole game together.

Multiple languages don't take up 10gigs, and at least PS3 games let you choose your languages. I bet you LOVE playing japanese games with ENGLISH dubs. Oh wait, you only play shooter games.

Enjoy your Halo, Gears and Alan Wake. I'll be playing games of all genres like Mass Effect, Stalker, Bayonetta, GoW, Blazblue, Starcraft, Counter Strike, Monster Hunter Tri, MGS4 and hundreds more.

[bujasem_89]

35 GIG's of bloody gory goodness :D

[Half-Mafia]

wonder how much space Kratos model takes up by itself

[Greek God]

Dvd's are so 1990 XD

[R_A_LEE20]

35GB - This better be a long game. I've waited ages for this to come out.

[jalen247]

Looks at Dante's Inferno...then looks at GOW III...I think Blu-ray is needed. LMFAO!

[richard4481]

So pumped for this game :D

[likedamaster]

If it doesn't fill a dual layer bluray it's garbage!

.

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/Sarcasm

[Mamajuana]

Good stuff Figboy, you know your stuff, you make some good, valid points You should have your own gaming website. Some of the material you write is better than some published articles I've come across.

[Figboy]

i actually DO have my own website. you can find the link in my profile.

i try to be as informative as possible, and i try to back up my opinions with fact.

since i'm not on any payroll from Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, or any other publisher, i have no incentive to try and skew my site's information in any one direction.

even if i was getting paid advertising from the various gaming publishers, it wouldn't sway my thoughts on the industry. the facts speak for themselves.

and the fact of this situation is that DVD is showing it's age, and has been showing it's age for a while now, but it's finally starting to sink in with people (XDF below notwithstanding) that DVD has severely hampered game development this generation.

[XDF]

"i've never seen so many gamers happy to

pay for the "privilege" to access their own online connection that they're already paying for to play games with no dedicated servers.

pay for expensive add-on peripherals that are standard features in other consoles/handhelds (hard drives, wi fi, HD movie play back capabilities).

pay for defective hardware, and have to literally wait for MONTHS to get a repaired unit sent back to them when theirs breaks.

pay MORE money for games this generation ($60), when they are getting less content than they got last generation from the same franchises.

and don't even get me started on the "sales whores." those guys REALLY grind my gears.

this generation has truly boggled my mind. it really has."

Now tell me you are not a troll. If you don't have or like the X360, why do you care what x360 owners like or don't like or pay or not pay for anything. That is their investment and their choice.

So what you are saying is back in the PS2 days, PS2 owners shouldn't buy a network adopter so they can play online because it should be standard?

I have all three syetem and I am happy with what I got. I pay $30 a year for live and I think it is great. The $300 xbox I got came with a Hard drive so I it is standard.

Stop pretending and bash xbox owners with your constant essay rant so you can make yourself feel better and stealth troll at the same time. It is getting old.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Do you ever read something that you post here, take a step back, and go, "WOW!! It is amazing how much of an idiot I am! How do I do it?" Seriously, I'm curious.

What Figboy said had NOTHING to do with simply "360 owners." Unlike you, he is capable of seeing the bigger picture. No one cares if YOUR 360 has a HDD standard. Look at it from a development standpoint. You're making a game. Can you 100% count on the fact that every 360 on the market had an HDD? No, you can't, so you have to keep that in mind as you're making a game.

Based on your logic, no I didn't have to buy a network adapter because it was standard on my PS2.

Anyway, the bigger picture that you need to see here is for a multi-plat developer, it doesn't matter how much space Blu-Ray can hold; you still have to make the game fit on what the 360 can do. And if it can't do it, neither can you because the last thing you want is for one version to be CLEARLY better than another, or you're going to lose sales. So, if you have a grand idea for a game, but you can't do it on the 360, you have two choices:

a: Dumb down the game.

b: Make it PS3 exclusive.

It sucks that developers should be forced into this position, but by sticking with a last-generation format in the 360, MS has made this a reality.

[gtamike123]

Can't wait for this game it's going to be crazy fun

[XDF]

another one of your Essay post again. I actually read your poem and it all sounds fantastic. But I don't care about stuff like that when I am playing Alan Wake or Halo Reach. Only Sony extremist like to brag about stuff like this.

Both Turbo Graphic and Sega have CD back in the days with Neo Geo having 100 Meg Mega Shock moniker for their game. And guess what, SNES was still the most popular and has the best games even with its limitation of the Cartridge format.

The N64 also came into the age when CD was the defacto format and didn't stop them from having some of the best games of all time like Golden Eye, Mario 64, and Zelda: TOOT.

Great games will be great games. Poor games will be poor games no matter what format limitation there is.

Heck, speaking of limitation, if the next Mario Galaxy and the Next Zelda is release on the Wii, do you think those games won't be good because it uses the DVD format and have Gamecube like graphics? Just ask yourself that question.

[Biggest]

You're missing the point. The games may be good. They may be great. But they may also be hampered by certain limits. Imagine your dream girl. She is everything that you could ever want in a woman. Now make her ugly because God only gave her the potential for a few awesome traits. And while you're at it, make her voice slightly annoying. And for added effect, let's make her breast a little less perky. You can't fix the ugly or the voice. But you can buy the breasts at a later date. She still has most of everything you could ever want and I am sure you'd be happy with it. But I bet you'd enjoy her more if everything was included the right way from the beginning. All God had to do was raise her potential. With a higher ceiling you can dream of more. You can possibly make more. That great thing can become an even greater thing.

[Figboy]

and contrary to what you may think, i'm really looking forward to picking up Alan Wake when it comes out, and much to my own surprise, i'm actually really interested in Halo: Reach. it's been a long time since a Halo game had me excited (i loved the first one, was excited about part 2 but ultimately disappointed, and part 3 did nothing for me, as did ODST).

anyway, while i agree about great games being great games, as a creative person (i'm an artist/writer), i'm a big proponent of creative freedom.

limiting a developer's creative options, whether it be because of budget, scheduling, or hardware limitations like less disc space or lack of a standard HDD to facilitate game development is not a good thing.

developers so far this generation have most certainly done a great job with having to limit or alter their scope to fit their games on a DVD, why should us, as gamers, and therefore the end-user of all of the developer's hard work, be satisfied with getting LESS than what we could get?

do you honestly think that Bioware was GLAD to have to split Mass Effect 2 between 2 discs? i'm absolutely, 1,000% POSITIVE it was not their vision. if they could have fit it on one disc, they would have.

if they had the disc space to add even more variety and detail to the textures, they would have. if they could have had the space to open up the game world more, and still keep that level of visual fidelity, they would have. if they had the room to include higher quality audio, as well as more detailed animation sets, they would have.

visually, Mass Effect 2 is only improved over the original in regards to some of the character models (primarily for main characters; most supporting characters are either still using their old model from ME1, or just don't look nearly as good).

is Mass Effect 2 a great game? yes it is, but it could have been much more enjoyable.

i also think better "mini-games" could have been implemented had Bioware had the room. they most certainly had the development time and the budget, considering that Mass Effect came out in late 2007, and it's now 2010. the hacking and planet scanning games in ME2 slow the pace down so much, and considering that it's VITAL to end game events to upgrade your ship as much as possible, to receive the most favorable conclusion, you HAVE to slog through the tedious and simply NOT FUN mini-game of scanning various planets for minerals.

that particular feature probably could have been fleshed out and implemented better, but when you are already scrimping and scrounging to fit the CORE game onto 2 discs, there's not much you can do about it.

anyway, relying on DVD this generation has hurt gaming in the long term.

yes, DVD was a nice short term solution for HD gaming, but it was inevitable that we'd have to have more space before the generation was out.

now you have companies like EA and Capcom using this to their benefit, by cutting out content that COULD HAVE been included in the disc, only to sell it later.

everyone thought that, with Dragon Age, getting the Stone Prisoner content for "free" with your purchase was such an AWESOME thing from EA, when, in reality, that should have been included on the disc. hell, it COULD have been included on the Blu Ray disc of the PS3 version, saving me 2gigs of HDD space that could have been used for some PSN titles or something.

and then Capcom admits to cutting large portions out of Lost Planet 2, which will potentially be sold as DLC later. this is because of DVD.

you can't deny that, while good developers have been doing a great job with the current dilemma of being forced to fit their games on DVD, it has begun to negatively affect what matters the most in this industry: the progression of game development, and the end user, us gamers.

i refuse to pay more money for less content. i refuse to support developers that want to half-ass their way through this generation, and i do everything i can to promote quality gaming experiences through word of mouth, whether it be Mass Effect 2, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, or Alan Wake.

unfortunately, good developers are a lot fewer and far between than the tons of mediocre developers under the wing of Activision and EA.

i appreciate you reading my first comment, but don't dismiss it as it being the simple rant of a PS3 fanboy, it's not as black and white as that.

i've been gaming since i was 6 years old, when the NES launched in 1985. i've seen the gaming industry evolve from games like Pitfall on the Atari, to Uncharted 2. these advances were spurred on by talented developers who wanted to take gaming further and further with each new console/PC development.

adhering to an already aging format like DVD for the new "HD Era" of gaming has been a costly mistake. i don't think we'll see a true evolution in gaming until next generation, when DVD will finally be dropped for good.

as a long time gamer, i want the WHOLE industry to grow and improve. i may have my console preferences, but i still own a 360 along with my PS3 and the moment the Wii steps it's game up, i'll own one of those too.

right now, this industry is stagnating. sure, sales are quite high and impressive, but i don't give a rat's ass about sales. i want quality games, and you really have to sift through the BS in order to find them, and what upsets me the most is that, due to this ridiculous fanboyism rampant in the media, you have game "journalists" taking sides and downplaying genuinely good games, while upplaying mediocre games (ie, how the media downplayed inFAMOUS, and sang the praises of Prototype, only to have Prototype be the more average, mediocre, typical Activision gaming experience; the funny thing is that Sucker Punch, known for making the quality Sly Cooper series, were downplayed, but Activision and Radical Entertainment, known for making relatively mediocre games, were pumped up by the gaming press).

[XDF]

Now tell me this. How do you explain Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, and Little Big Planet have pay DLC. DVD is limited right so they need DLC to add in content, right? It is all about the Benjamin, if you don't know that by now, you need to take a course in Business 101.

Figboy, the neutral gamer said "do you honestly think that Bioware was GLAD to have to split Mass Effect 2 between 2 discs? i'm absolutely, 1,000% POSITIVE it was not their vision. if they could have fit it on one disc, they would have."

-So what does that got to do with anything. 2 disc is a solution for one disc issue like you had just talk about with DVD9..Bioware is giving the best possible solution just like FF 7 on PS1 with 4 discs or Resident Evil 2 with 2 discs on PS1. Also Gran Turismo 2 was also on two discs. Do I need to go on?

"visually, Mass Effect 2 is only improved over the original in regards to some of the character models (primarily for main characters; most supporting characters are either still using their old model from ME1, or just don't look nearly as good)."

-You need to stop buddy. Just check LOT or Digital Foundry and take off your Fanboy goggles for once.

"now you have companies like EA and Capcom using this to their benefit, by cutting out content that COULD HAVE been included in the disc, only to sell it later"

-Yea, like the pay for Multiplayer section for RE5 that was already on disc, right?

"everyone thought that, with Dragon Age, getting the Stone Prisoner content for "free" with your purchase was such an AWESOME thing from EA, when, in reality, that should have been included on the disc. hell, it COULD have been included on the Blu Ray disc of the PS3 version, saving me 2gigs of HDD space that could have been used for some PSN titles or something."

-It is an incentive to stop piracy dude. It was old news, where have you been. Buy having a code to D/L the extra content, less used copies will be sold and re-sold to customers. Speaking of saving HDD spaces, why don't you ask Sony for a solution to Mandatory HDD install if you are that concern with lack of HDD Spaces.

"i refuse to pay more money for less content. i refuse to support developers that want to half-ass their way through this generation"

-So what you are saying is GT5P and MAG shouldn't be bought because Sony is charging you $40 for a demo and MAG doesn't have a single player campaign and is at $60. Yea, I smell hypocrite.

"i've been gaming since i was 6 years old, when the NES launched in 1985. i've seen the gaming industry evolve from games like Pitfall on the Atari, to Uncharted 2. these advances were spurred on by talented developers who wanted to take gaming further and further with each new console/PC development."

-So since you have been a gamer for so long, how do you keep going with the SNES lacking a CD drive, the N64 a CD Drive, and PS2 with no Harddrive and Network adopter as standard? Now, you are complaining against the very thing that all previous console faces.

"you have game "journalists" taking sides and downplaying genuinely good games, while upplaying mediocre games (ie, how the media downplayed inFAMOUS, and sang the praises of Prototype, only to have Prototype be the more average, mediocre, typical Activision gaming experience; the funny thing is that Sucker Punch, known for making the quality Sly Cooper series, were downplayed, but Activision and Radical Entertainment, known for making relatively mediocre games, were pumped up by the gaming press).

-How is the media downplaying inFamous and praising Prototype when inFamous avg a 85 on Meta and Prototype avg is at 79? Again, you sound like a typical Sony fan on N4G crying about injustice and bias.

Just admit your true agenda. It is not about DVD9 vs BluRay..it is about Microsoft vs Sony...right?

[-EvoAnubis-]

"Bioware is giving the best possible solution just like FF 7 on PS1 with 4 discs or Resident Evil 2 with 2 discs on PS1. Also Gran Turismo 2 was also on two discs. Do I need to go on?"

Uh...you DO realize you're comparing a current gen system to a console that is 15 years old, right?

Also, look at what happened even in your argument. CDs weren't big enough, so what happened the very next generation? They went to something BIGGER. There were games even last gen that were on multiple DVDs, so Sony went to something BIGGER. MS, however, did not.

The rest of that post was so illogical that I feel that it doesn't warrant a response; if your mind truly works like that, I pray you never spawn offspring.

[Figboy]

that there is no point to respond to your posts anymore. you are not a gamer, when you can't even step away from your fanboyism to look at what sticking to DVD has cost this generation.

consider yourself on my ignore list.

to EvoAnubis - thanks for the kind words, but there's no point in arguing with this guy. he trolls EVERY SINGLE PS3 related post, and particularly likes to enjoy stalking my comments. he's not worth "debating" with anymore, because instead of coming back with rational rebuttals, he resorts to,"if you like the PS3, and are critical of Microsoft, you are a fanboy."

the fact that he tries to defend current generation short-sightedness with what, back then, was an evolutionary step forward (using multiple discs on CD ROM games like Final Fantasy VII was the ONLY SOLUTION to the large scale game problem back then; in this day and age, multiple discs are the ONLY solution, and in the end, they still compromise game play. the fact that my wife, when playing Mass Effect 2, had to switch to disc 2 to complete the character specific missions, then switch back to disc 1 to complete the game is simply retarded, pure and simple) is horribly sad.

he's a lost cause and all he wants to do is troll PS3 related topics. i'm done with him.

[Ashriel]

All that awesome and still didn't fit the whole disc!

Looks like the PS3 has a long life ahead! :D

I'm still on the fence about GOW3 tho :/ I hope it's better than the last two games.

[Young Capwn]

i hope you kidding.

[commodore64]

35 gb of data on blu-ray implies that the content is uncompressed.

What no one has considered so far, is that this 35 gb of content will need to be streamed from the blu-ray drive at 2x speed.

The blu-ray drive can be slower, or faster, than a 12x DVD, depending on the position of data on the dvd disc.
Overall, the blu-ray may be considered to be slower in everyday use.

Thus, 35 gb of data, on an overall slower blu-ray drive, will be painfully SLOW in loading.
Unless, of course, they do a MASSIVE install on the HDD.

But, I have to ask the question, if they always do a MASSIVE install on the HDD, to overcome the slow streaming of uncompressed content, then why was bluray necessary?

That's a fair question.
Who has a fair response?

[truegame]

Quick question for you Commodore:

Did Uncharted 1 and 2, Killzone and many exclusive have a install? NO
Did they take ten years to wait for each area in the game to load? NO, they ran off the disc with no install etc.

Many Multi-Console games do not take advantage of the ps3 and I not optimized for loading.

The PS3 blu ray drive is the first gen version BD player. However, that does not mean that All Blu Ray Drives are slow.. The PS3 drive is slower 2x. However there are 4x,6x and 8x drives for sale and in japan their are a couple of 12x Blu-Ray Drives.

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

Sorry for my spelling.. English is my second language.

[The Maxx]

Couldn't another possibility be that out of that 35 gb's there are many dupe files? Wouldn't that also assist with the amount of loading?

[Anon1974]

Just a quick response to truegame's comment.

The PS3 BluRay drive reads at a constant speed of 72Mbps-9MB/second across the entire disk. When compared to something like a 12x DVD drive you'll see that the speed that a single layer DVD can be read at averages just over 10MB/second. That drops down dramatically when a dual layer disk is used.

As you noted, there are more than enough examples of games that run fine off Blu-Ray with no install, let alone 1080p uncompressed video and sound. It's effectively a non issue.

[commodore64]

Well, I am glad that we have all established that the average read speed of a 12x DVD is faster than a 2x blu-ray.

Now, consider that 35gb is about 5 times more data to read than a 7gb DVD.
It is simply logical that for a 35 gb game the ps3 will have one of two things, or both:

1. Massive install
2. Slower read times than possible on DVD.

At the risk of repeating myself, I refer to my original post where I highlighted this exact problem.
Now, with 35 gb of streaming content, all I am questioning is whether or not this is something that is counterproductive to gaming and gamers.
History has shown that for the ps3 2x blu-ray drive, a certain compromise has been evident, more often than not.
35 gb of content can do nought but exacerbate this issue.

This trend of slow ps3 loading has been amply demonstrated in many modern multiplats, where, even with mandatory HDD install, the Ps3 version has consistently exhibited slower load times. Without a HDD install, the PS3 load times have been rather longer still!

It just astounds me that people are still not accepting the facts on this glaring issue.

[-EvoAnubis-]

The reason people aren't considering those "facts" is because they don't apply to exclusive games that actually are taking advantage of the hardware. By way of a for instance, two of the biggest games in the PS3 library to date, UC2 and KZ2, had no install and little to no loading.

You're talking about multi-plats...remind me, what other console is God of War 3 coming to so that this would be an issue here?

The funny thing is that truegame mentioned this in the first response and you just kinda rolled right past it. Wouldn't want facts getting in the way of your concerns, I understand that.

[commodore64]

UC2 and KZ2?

well.. uh.. that was exactly my point.

We are unable to compare loading times in these 'for instances' because they are well.. uh .. exclusive games.
My point still stands.
The exclusivity matters nought.

The Ps3 will need to stream that content, or install it.
The ps3 streams slower than a DVD12x.
The content is 35 gb.
That's a lot of content to stream at slower speeds.

Add it up.
It ain't rocket science.

[Anon1974]

We know there's only a 5 MB install, that's already been confirmed, and God of War III's director already said on the Playstation blog that there is no load time.

"As far as loading, it’s something we take pride in. We’re a streaming game, we don’t have load times."

We already know this isn't an issue yet there's always going to be an element that tries to downplay the amazing unmatched achievements we've seen so far on the PS3 as we've seen all over these forums. Arguing with these types is like masturbating with a cheese grater. Amusing for awhile but mostly painful. I'm not saying we should limit debate on gamer issues because every now and then you'll actually find someone with a legitimate point who isn't trying to troll up the forums.

[Inside_out]

no doubt...33gb of cut scene's...better be some gameplay in there...

[Awesome_Face]

If you call mindless button mashing gameplay :/

Anyone with half a brain will realize that this, along with Heavy Rain and Eyepet, is just another lackluster title out of the Sony house and will be forgotten very quickly. Anyone with a full brain would know that the PS3 is just an overpriced blu-ray player and would get all of their gaming needs on the superior Xbox 360.

[CernaML]

Poor jealous fanboys of an overheating DVD player.

[dustgavin]

Didn't realize that Dvd, wired controllers, no standard HDD, and sub-hd graphics were all "superior".

360 is a Frankenstein console that bots enjoy paying for piece-by-piece.

[Aceluffy]

It must escape your little brain's comprehension that GOW3 doesn't use CGI that are known to take up lots of disk space, all of them will be in-game graphics. Here's a little something for you:

If this game is available for 360:
PING !! Achievement unlocked !
"Swapped to disc 2"
PING !! Achievement unlocked !
"Swapped to disc 3"
:D

[hyabusha]

Worth every penny! Please give me Uncompressed 7.1 LPCM sound!

[Remmulak]

However, graphics don't make a game great...but damn can they make a great game even better.

[DigitalAnalog]

Multiplat "devs" and haters are going to have a nasty wake-up call once GOWIII hits this March. We're talking about "never-before-attempted&q uot; scale that puts the giant monsters in Resistance 2 to shame.

-End statement

[unchartedgoty]

yesssssss

[horndog]

why on earth would i want to play as a man wearing a skirt and lipstick?! This g^y sh!t is the type of stuff that droids go crazy over. There's a good reason why they are excited over the ARC stick.

[dustgavin]

At least PS3 owners aren't excited about running around in Power Ranger armor while flying around in spaceships that look like a dildo.
http://static.gamesradar.co...

[chewmystink]

How about the guys that want to write a war and peace novel as a comment lay off, I'm sure most of us on here don't read comments that length too much. :)
Once you go Blu you won't go back.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

DVD is the new VHS

[True_Religion]

God of War 2.5 HD uses 35 GB of space.

30GB uncompressed 7.1 True HD sound, lol.

Nice marketing Sony :)!

[blair_enigma]

and wheres your source/proof ? if you dont have STFU. dont lie and misadvertise ok? your toy cant handle it