God of War III to run on 720p natively with variable frame rate

Sony confirm that the final version of God of War III will run natively at 720p and will sport a variable frame rate.

[lociefer]

with all the epicness this game have, i dont think any1 will care, just like a certain game runs sub hd and ppl r still playin it , hint: it got space marines ;))))

[deadreckoning666]

My TV doesn't even go up to 1080p, so 720p is perfect.

[MAR-TYR-DOM]

While this will NOT ruin the epic experience i will have with the game, i am kinda bummed out that it is not full 1080p HD kratos that will be appearing on my screen. I hope the audio is uncompressed linear 5.1, if it is i wont care about the 720p.

Uncharted 2 wasn't full HD i dont believe, but it still looked amazing. The only game that has to be full hd for me is GT5 that the only game i really care about the resolution.

[gaffyh]

My TV is 720p native, so not too much of a problem for me. But I remember a lot of people complaining that they WANTED GOW3 to be 720p so that the game could have better textures, so everyone should be happy really. You can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p except at like 50 inches screen or above. Mine is 42 inch, and 720p looks great.

@dchalfont - GT5 will be 1080p (which defeats your "no console argument"), possibly one of the best looking console games ever made. Although that's because there aren't many textures there.

[Sunny_D]

Uncharted 2 was full HD.

[Nihilism]

ahaha, so much for 1080p native at 60 frames, no console can handle a game with decent graphics at that res, let alone at decent frame rates, bu bu wipeout...

@gaffyh

Check your facts bud, it's not 1080p, it's some queer non standard res that's not even 16:9 or 16:10

[evrfighter]

man thats gonna look like crap on my monitor...

:(

[Antan]

"Uncharted 2 was full HD."

Sadly it wasn`t

[saint_john_paul_ii]

Uncharted 2 wasnt true 1080p. it was 720p. it upsacales to 1080p.

God of War 3 will most likely have the ability upscale to 1080p.

@PrimordialSoupBase

no the game never ran at 1080p in the first place. it ran upscaled 1080p.

[PrimordialSoupBase]

Wut? Isn't the E3 demo 1080p?

[CrazzyMan]

Atleast it`s running in HD and has GREAT graphics. People still enjoy Halo 3, even if it doesn`t run in HD. GoW 3 will be more than enjoyable, it will be EPIC!!!

When i first time saw GoW 3 trailer, well it was good, but wasn`t that OMG. Because back then, they were aiming to 1080p.
Now game looks OMG and that`s what matters most + still in HD.

[wages of sin]

That game that came out a few years ago that millions still play everyday? that game?

People complain about anything nowadays don't they?

OT: It's still a day one grab for me as was Bayonetta and the one I want the most of the three H & S's Dante's (locked at 60fps). Either way it's a win win for gamers; unless of course I'm supposed to believe that Dante's looks "last gen" according to joystiq...even though the guy who wrote that managed the PS3 fanboy site.

http://www.joystiq.com/blog...

[Aquarius]

You forgot about GT5?

bu bu runescape...

[Pistolero]

So much for the 1080p and 60FPS that people were touting...

[Lifendz]

What's the difference if it can upscale to 1080p from 720p but it's not native 1080p? Can the human eye tell the difference?

Just wondering.

[Megaton]

"variable frame rate from 30 to 60 frames per second"

That's what Stig said at E3. Said "if you aim for 60, you'll never drop below 30".

[Jamegohanssj5]

Yeah I recall them saying for intense parts of the game it will run at 30FPS, but the smooth parts will run at 60FPS. I think it was supposed to be 1080p or was I just dreaming?

TGSI

[chaosatom]

No bungie in game zone?

good news!

[Pandamobile]

Upscaling does virtually nothing.

You can upscale a DVD to 1080p, but it's still going to look like a DVD.

[FamilyGuy]

I know the game is still beastly from a graphical stand point but it would've been nice to see the first console game that was native 1080p and had fast action and high-level graphics and textures (know what i'm trying to say).

They were aiming for 1080p but I guess this ended up looking better than what they could do at that resolution. I'm sure it looks better this way and it'll default to the (upscaled) 1080p setting like only a few other PS3 games do but the knowledge that a game like GOW3 COULD do it would've been nice. Now the (general) thoughts back to the "probably impossible this gen" because until it happens, that's pretty much the truth.

[Saaking]

That's a bit disappointing, but I don't think it'll affect how great the game will be. Sure, I would have loved if it was 1080p, but I've no doubt it'll still look amazing. UC2 wasn't 1080p either and it's still amazing.

[A Cupcake for Gabe]

Uncharted 2 only ran Native 720p. Best looking game on any system.

Native 720p looks better than upscaled 1080p anyway.

But before sh1t hits the fan, let's actually see the final product.

[jjohan35]

Honest question.

[StanSmith]

*sigh*

I can't believe people are still saying this. You CAN see the difference between 720p and 1080p on any HDTV. Screen size has nothing to do with being able to tell the difference it's all about your viewing distance from the tv. For example if you sit too far away from a 32 inch screen then yes you won't see the difference but get the viewing distance spot on and it's like night and day. I have a 32 inch screen and i can tell the difference between the resolutions with ease. All this 50 inch and above is just about people trying to show off about how big there screen is. There is no truth in it at all.

*on topic*
Not to bothered that its only 720p. Uncharted 2 wasn't full hd and that looks amazing! Does anyone know if the god of war collection will be released in the uk separately from the trilogy edition?

[S M N]

it's great game

1080p not needed to see the epicnes of that game

[Somnipotent]

you must got the special duper edition bro, cause the back of my uncharted 2 box says 720p. the only two games i know that run 1080p ridge racer 7 and wipeout HD

[raztad]

@above

Wipeout HD is full 1080p 60fps.

Indeed is a bit dissapointing they hadnt GoW3 running at 1080p. The next time :). Still GoW3 scale is out of this world, GoW meets Shadow of the Colossus, so I can understand Santa Monica needed to make some compromises, in order to keep the highest possible framerate.

GoW is the main reason I bought a PS2 back in the days, and GoW3 is my most expected game. All the previews have been praising the incredible visuals and unbelievable EPIC scale. I'm up for it.

@dchalfont

Even if you are excited because GoW3 doesnt run at 1080p (=1920x1080) still your above argument was inaccurate. There are games runnning at 1080p on the PS3 and GT5 will run at said resolution 60fps locked.

BTW, why are you so happy? Did GoW3 scared you for a minute?

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

"Has there been a game on either console with 1080p natively?
Honest question."

GT5 Prologue.

@dchalfont: "Check your facts bud, it's not 1080p, it's some queer non standard res that's not even 16:9 or 16:10"

*checks GT5 Prologue. *Counted the horizontal lines: 1080 lines.

That's 1080P right there dude.

@dchalfont: "but but but it's not even 16:9 or 16:10"

What does 1080p has to do with 16:9 or 16:10? 1080p = 1080 horizontal lines. GT5 Progolue = 1080p. Simple as that. Stop confusing aspect ratio with resolution.

And until Halo can run at 720p, people needs to stop complaining about 720p.

[bpac123456789]

I honeslty didn't expect the game to run at 1080p natively considering its epic scale, but hey I can dream can't I.

[Nihilism]

/facepalm

It has everything to do with it because 1080p is 16:9, the res of GT5 is 1080 pixels wide but less than 1920 high, aka queer non standard res, and less than 1080p

GT5 Progolue was 720p with 2xaa, it was NOT 1080p, you fools really need to stop believing that upscaled B.S, it's not the same thing

[A Cupcake for Gabe]

No dude...lol

I meant 720p

Still Uncharted 2 in Native 720p @ 30 frames sent bench marks for visuals.

PSN puzzle arcade game Critter Crunch runs 1080p @ 60 frames. It looks like a Hiyao Miyazaki flick, but it sure very very beautiful.

[SilentNegotiator]

Not a single 3D game on this generation of consoles plays in NATIVE 1080p....
EDIT: Except for Wipeout and maybe one or two other exceptions.

Anyway, played the demo and it competes with the best looking of console games and runs in a constant smooth framerate.

.
Digital Foundry's analysis:
"This rendition of God of War III [E3 Demo] is v-synced (so no tearing), and based on our playthrough across the two videos, we have an average of 36.81FPS, a low of 24FPS and a high of 56FPS"

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

"/facepalm"

Dude, I think you should stop hitting your face. Anyway...

"It has everything to do with it because 1080p is 16:9, the res of GT5 is 1080 pixels wide but less than 1920 high, aka queer non standard res, and less than 1080p

GT5 Progolue was 720p with 2xaa, it was NOT 1080p, you fools really need to stop believing that upscaled B.S, it's not the same thing"

Nope. 1080p has nothing to do with 16:9. 1080p is a number telling you how many horizontal line a resolution has. 16:9 is just an aspect ration number of the number of vertical lines compare to the horizontal lines. Again, 1080p = 1080 horizontal lines. The vertical lines can be any arbitrary number and as long as there's 1080 horizontal lines, then it is 1080p. That's the definition of 1080p. And GT5P has 1080 horizontal lines, therefore, GT5P is 1080p.

Now, if you were to say that the aspect ratio of GT5P is not 16:9, then you are correct. But to say that GTP is not 1080p is wrong. GT5P is 1080p, regardless of the aspect ratio, because GT5P renders 1080 horizontal lines natively.

@dchalfont

Again dude, 1080p is 1080 horizontal lines. Get it straight man.

@MARIOFTW

Yes. If a game were stupid enough to come out with a 1x1080 resolution, it would still technically be 1080p. That's the definition. However, GT5P chose to go with the standard 1280x1080 resolution, one of the standard 1080p resolution (beside the 1920 one).

@dchalfont

"notice the capital P used in conjunction with the 1080 ) is an abbreviation for 1920x1080"

Nope. The "P" stands for progressive (not interlace). It does not stand for 1920.

@MARIOFTW

"The 1080 is vertical not horizontal. The 1920 refers to horizontal line"

The 1080 is the number of horizontal lines not vertical lines. Go look it up dude. Seriously.

@MARIOFTW

"The 1080 refers to VERTICAL LINES NOT HORIZONTAL!"

From Wiki: The number 1080 represents 1,080 lines of vertical resolution (1,080 horizontal scan lines).

See there? 1,080 horizontal scan lines. 1,080 horizontal lines! I told you dude.

[SilentNegotiator]

GT5p plays in:
1280x1080 (2xAA)
or
1280x720 (4xAA)

[DatNJDom81]

"Oh noes its not 1080p, that means its gonna look like sh!t now. So much for 60 fps....... blah blah blah blah blah"......... I smell so much fear in here that its not even funny........ oh wait yes it is!!! No matter wat u 360 fanatics say or b!tch about, nothing on 360 can match a 720p PS3 game. Its crazy that they get a sense of victory over something as minor as this. Now thats something hilarious to laugh at.

[Nihilism]

Do you seriously still not get it, the resolution of 1920x1080 is expressed as 1080p, that resolution IS 16:9, the resolution of GT5 is lower, BUT it still has 1080 pixels wide, which means that it is not 1080p, and that it is not 16:9.

The number of pixels is always an indication of aspect ratio you moron, you do you think the aspect ratio is calculated....it's based on the number of pixels, so the resolution has everything to do with the resolution.

1080p is not just an expression of the width, it is also an expression of the unspoken pixel height of 1920x1080 ( do you know what an abbreviation is ??)

@raztad

You're missing a very important point, I said that any games WITH DECENT GRAPHICS, cannot be run at that res or frames, OMFG PSN games at 1080 yippeeeee!!!, a sidescroller game at 1080p at 60 frames, woooooooooo

True HD GENERATION BABY!!!!!

"
Yes. If a game were stupid enough to come out with a 1x1080 resolution, it would still be 1080p. That's the definition. "

ahaha, i'm saving that quote for life, the true intelligence of a fanboy.

1080 pixels is 1080 pixels, but 1080P ( notice the capital P used in conjunction with the 1080 ) is an abbreviation for 1920x1080...look it up dude.

@DatNJDom81

I don't own a 360...

@totalps3fanboy

"The 1080 is the number of horizontal lines not vertical lines. Go look it up dude. Seriously. "

AHAHAHA you've outdone yourself now, is your tv taller than it is wide??????, it must be the only one of it's kind.

[SilentNegotiator]

Well, you can understand why people are upset when games like Halo 3, Gears of War, and Mass Effect play in native 1080p in 60fps.

/s

[StanSmith]

@Totalps3fanboy

You are wrong. dchalfont is correct. 1080p is 1920x1080. The 1080 is vertical not horizontal. The 1920 refers to horizontal line and is representative of 16:9 aspect ratio. Also GT5P is NOT 1080p. It was 1280x1080 which means dchalfont is spot on again about the screwed up aspect ratio. I mean you are saying that 1x1080 is 1080p?! Seriously go check your facts before talking about things you know nothing about.

*edit*
@totalps3fanboy "Yes. If a game were stupid enough to come out with a 1x1080 resolution, it would still be 1080p. That's the definition."

Its official, you are a moron! 1080p resolution IS 1920x1080! The 1080 refers to VERTICAL LINES NOT HORIZONTAL! GT5P was 1280x1080 therefore wasn't 1080p and wasn't in 16:9. It's not hard to understand just look at your own tv. The width is bigger than the height so the 1080 is vertical and the 1920 is horizontal! The definition of 1080p is a resolution of 1920x1080 that is progressive. Seriously just go google it and educate yourself please!

@totalps3fanboy
"The 1080 is the number of horizontal lines not vertical lines. Go look it up dude. Seriously"

i see where we are getting confused here now. You're refering to 1080 being horizontal scan lines whereas im talking about actual 1080p resolution so we are both right on this point technically

[NateCole]

Blah blah blah blah blah.

In the end GOW3 will take the graphics king crown on console from U2.

------------------------THE END--------------------------- -----------

[Noctis Aftermath]

Wow i never knew that a game being 720p would cause so much hate, what is wrong with it being 720p? it has a solid framerate between 30 and 60fps, great graphics and yet all i've read so far is how it is such a disappointment cause it's not 1080p, it's like not having those 360 pixels make the game instantly sh1t.
Newsflash ALMOST EVERY SINGLE GAME THIS GEN IS 720p OR LOWER!

GoW3 will still have top of the line visuals and with a story to match, who gives a sh1t about it not being 1080p when very few games achieve this on consoles, Lair is 1080p, did that make the game any better? FVCK NO! so get over it being 720p, i was slightly disappointed in the lower resolution but all this crying and moaning is unjustified.

[SaberEdge]

TotalPS3Fanboy is being a bit ridiculous. I doubt if he went and bought what he thought was a 1080p tv only later finds out that it only had 1080 vertical lines of resolution and a horizontal resolution much lower than 1920 that he would be perfectly fine with it. Yeah right.

1080p as most people understand it is 1920x1080. This decides how many individual pixels make up the image. If a game is 1280x1080, like GT5P, then it is clearly not displaying nearly as many pixels as a true 1080p image. To say that the vertical resolution is all that matters is just asinine.

Anyway, I don't know why the first guy to post had to bring up Halo 3. PS3 extremists always bring up the fact that Halo 3 is rendered at a resolution lower than 720p, as if that makes it a bad looking game. What they fail to mention is that MGS4 also runs at less than 720p.

There are a few games on both platforms that run at a true native 1080p, but they are for the most part simpler downloadable games.

There is a cool source over at beyond3d that lists the resolutions of many games for both the PS3 and 360. It is interesting. People should check it out. http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[solar]

the ps3, it only does everything!! oh wait....

blah i didnt expect GoW3 to be 1080p anyways. im just ready to play it. the demo was pretty good.

[Nihilism]

It's not a big deal, it's just that jaffe had to run his mouth and make $#!+ up. No way was this game ever going to do that, everyone knew it wouldn't it was only a matter of time, it's just funny seeing yet another douch fall back on his word, especially one such as jaffe who's ego makes him believe he is entitled to a profit from used game sales...of someone elses game.

Jaffe = the gaming industries biggest liar and attention whore

[SaberEdge]

@ Noctis Aftermath

360 pixels? Try 1,152,000. That is the real difference in the number of pixels between 720p and 1080p. 1080p has more than twice the number of pixels. [1920 x 1080 = 2073600] [1280 x 720 = 921600]

[DaTruth]

Because I never actually believed this game was gonna run at 1080p! I hoped it would be true, but I figured it was unlikely!

If Sony made any game 1080p, they would be essentially destroying any chance of a 3D update in the future. Sony stated that they were shooting for all their games to be convertible to 3D.

My only concern was that PS3 fanboys were probably in the 360 section running their mouth about 1080p this and 60fps that and that now 360 owners will come back and say "You said teh GOW3 was teh 1080p" and paint us all with the same brush! But those same dudes are here, now, in a PS3 only thread and they will hypocritically bash PS3 fanboys for the same thing!

Edit@below: Yes, but racing games have always been less graphically intense than combat action games with the chaos onscreen being the most demanding thing. Every race 1080p game was actually shown in 3D. I think if there were explosions and parts flying around the screen like Motostorm, 1080p 3D would also be impossible!

@Likdamaster: Funny how Dante's Inferno looks like a PS2 game. Funny how... actually, Dante's Inferno is just funny all around!

[StanSmith]

@da truth "If Sony made any game 1080p, they would be essentially destroying any chance of a 3D update in the future."

Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't ridge racer used a while back to show off 3d? Ridge Racer was 1080p native.

I think Sony made this 720p because of the sheer chaos that will be on screen while playing GOW3 and that with a 1080p resolution would probably cause a huge framerate drop.

[likedamaster]

Funny how Gow3 struggles to keep 40fps average @720p while Dante's Inferno does a solid 60fps @ the same resolution on the same platform.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.eurogamer.net/vi...

[HINDERIZATION]

this game is going to be badass. Quality always wins in terms of story and gameplay

[Ausbo]

ever want to hear a game bashed again because it ran at 720p/30fps and not 1080p/60fps.

[Nihilism]

Other 720p/30 frame games don't get bashed because their devs aren't stupid enough to claim that they will run at 1080p and 60 frames, but our good friends mr jaffe....is stupid enough to.

False marketing hype that doesn't deliver = worthy of a bashing.

[DevastationEve]

GT5p =/= TRUE 1080p HD. True 1080p HD = 1920x1080. If it's not the same number then it's not the same resolution.

Halo 3 isn't 1152x640. It's 2 frames with 1 pass of HDR or LDR per 1152x640 frame. It's subHD but with an advanced lighting engine (also why they went without AA).

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

What happened to 1080p? the 360 has more HD games than the PS3. It don't matter if its 720p and 30fps, it's a good game... right guys (wink) Should be a good game with good scores so who cares f it's not "true HD" like 99.9% of all games... oh wait ;)

Spin away

[Qdog]

That was a very thorough description of scaling, post, and anti-aliasing techniques in games. I also found it interesting that the PS3 has 27 (twenty-seven)games that run in native(not upscaled) 1920*1080 progressive resolution, versus 4 on the Xbox 360. I know there are more games than what was listed, but that's pretty thorough. How often do they update that page?

[BattleAxe]

I think you should concentrate on upgrading your motherboard, CPU and GPU on your PC so you can play Metro 2033, STALKER: CoP, and the Sims 3 on medium settings, instead of worrying about an epic game that you'll never play anyway.

[kewlkat007]

I swear I've seen many arguing in other threads over 1080p fanboy banter.

Why are we still surprised about most games these days. 720p will be the sweetspot this gen and quite frankly, I don't care much. Hey MS was right as far as "performance balance".

I've played some good looking games and some decent looking ones and have enjoyed them. Graphics does not equal to quality, period.

Wasn't "LAIR" 1080p?

[Nihilism]

Na dude, i've had a PC that can max any game for years, I think my gtx280 will serve me just fine, but I am getting a gtx380 when they come out in march, thanks for showing an interest, quality costs money, but upgrading certainly isn't necessary, it's optional, too bad both the console's were obsolete on release day...

[Socrates]

@Qdog

That was interesting, wasn't it. Although most of the 1080p games are downloadable titles.

It was also interesting to see that out of 174 retail games in the 360 list 39 were sub-HD, whereas out of 172 retail games listed for the PS3 56 were sub-HD.

135 of the 360 games were listed as 720p or higher, while 116 of the PS3 games were 720p or higher.

What this means is that the PS3 has a higher percentage of full retail games that run at sub-HD resolution.

[pimpmaster]

lol tards, there is no such thing as "true HD" there only is HD and its any res above 480i. so you guys just stfu saying games arent true hd and all your nonsence

[ReservoirDog316]

How sad it must be to only play games based on resolution and graphics. If you only did that, you'd miss out on most of the best games ever released.

Like Ico, GTA SA, Jak and Daxter, MGS, Legend of Zelda OoT...

The list goes on and on. If a game's good, a game's good. And we all know this game's gonna be great (even though I suck at hack and slash games, it's obvious this is just gonna be ridiculously good).

[Qdog]

------WARNING---INDIVIDUAL OPINION BELOW---READ AT YOUR OWN RISK-----

What is even more interesting to me, is that the games were even able to run at an acceptable resolution and framerate, when taking into account the substantial differences in the core and auxiliary architecture. It speaks volumes when the platform that is easier to integrate, compile, and port almost directly from pc has more games akin in function to those of the primary development platform. Weird, huh? Who would have thought? There is no need for semantics here, even in the most rudimentary of forms. I take no offense to your post, and I appreciate your input. I find it ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, with all this taken into account, how far ahead the games have moved on PS3, coming from sub-HD ports to HD exclusives with soul, a creative standard among the industry, vibrance, cohesion, and subtle uniqueness not found on other platforms that share "exclusives" with another platform. I've had them all, and I weigh the merits of each. While it is a little discouraging that GOWIII, wont run in native 1080p, I have no doubts that this will not detract from the fidelity and grandiosity that the game will offer. In fact it excites me, to the point of pondering what is ahead for the consoles, if this can be achieved now. As engines become more and more optimized for the target platform(s) I think I see a certain platform standing head and shoulders above it's direct competitors when it comes to capabilities, both in the hardware, and developer quality. I primarily game on PC(thats where my roots began) but also on PS3, Wii, Gamecube, and iPhone 3GS. I went through a few too many Xbox 360s, just to play Xbox 1 games, especially when most of my favorites werent even supported. So i got smart and moved on. I have no hate for Microsoft, as they are a corporation like any other.

@ exnihilonihilfit below....

I agree completely, and while enlightening to some, I found your post refreshing. Spot on, from one enthusiast to another.

[pixelsword]

Uncharted 2 is 720p native, Eurogamer even says so:

http://www.eurogamer.net/vi...

Where is this coming from that it wasn't?

[exnihilonihilfit]

First of all I want to point out that this dispute is largely semantic, which renders it trivial... but I just happen to love trivial disputes (and trivial pursuits for that matter).

1080 p does solely refer to the number of horizontal lines, that is, the number of lines perpendicular to the Y axis, and parallel to the X axis. For example:

1 _
2 _ Horizontal lines are parallel to the horizon, FYI ;)
3 _

as opposed to:

| | |
1 2 3

Ratios are given in the form X:Y

So

16 by 9 would be shaped as follows

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16

So 1080p does in fact mean there are 1,080 horizontal lines. The use of the terms vertical and horizontal resolution is confusing. When one says that something has 1,080 vertical lines of resolution one is actually referring to the number of horizontal lines (the use of the word vertical refers to how they are counted, not how the lines are oriented, it's a very dumb nomenclature.)

PS3 Fanboy is correct on that point.

Technically, the term 1080p only means that there are 1,080 horizontal scan lines.

It is always assumed that there are at least as many vertical scan lines as there are horizontal scan lines when talking about video images. In other words, an aspect ration is never less than 1:1. So 1x1080 is never considered 1080p.

There are only a few standard aspect ratios. In theatres, they are: 1.85:1 and 2.4:1. On standard definition TV's there is only one, 4:3. On HDTVs (and this is important) there is only one, 16:9. And still camera's have all kinds of crazy ratios that are still considered high def (e.g. Portraits have a lower ratio, usually something like 9:16). So technically, PS3 fan boy is correct, 1080p does in fact refer to any standard resolution which incorporates 1,080 horizontal scan lines, but not all resolutions are standard as they are not all at a standard aspect ratio. Standard definition televisions cannot be in 1080p as they only ever have up to 525 horizontal lines of resolution plus a million other hinderances that make them not HD. In other words only film theatres and HDTVs can display something at 1080p, and all TV's of this resolution are shaped at an aspect ration of 16:9, movie theaters either have a very close (but slightly higher) aspect ratio (1.85x1) or one that is much higher (2.4x1).

As video game consoles are made to be played on a television, with respect to video games, the use of the term 1080p in reference to HD gaming can then only refer to one thing: 1920x1080. Technically it could refer to a screen using a higher resolution though, in which case it would most likely be 1998x1080 or 2592 x 1080. So, mister halfont is correct that for a videogame ever to be rendered in true 1080p HD, it must at least be at a resolution of 1920x1080, though it could very well be higher if you have an HD projector set up in your private theater. In other words, any game that is not rendered in a resolution at or above 1920x1080 is not really at 1080p. To say otherwise cheapens the meaning of 1080p entirely.

In otherwords, the term can be variable, but not in the way that our dear friend PS3fanboy was using it because it cannot be less than 1920x1080.

There is no difference between the P being upper or lower case.

[thor]

By the fact that so many of you can't agree what resolutions things run in, or think that things are 1080p when they're not, it shows me what a case of "the emperor's new clothes" the whole business is.

"Look at the emperor's wonderful new suit made of 1080p resolution! You would be an idiot not to see its far superior image quality!"
"Wow... I can see it it's so beautiful!"
Little kid - "It looks pretty much the same as 720p to me! The emperor's new suit is the same as his old one!"

"Full HD" is 1920x1080. I think it's far too confusing to put 1080p; we don't have interlaced scanning any more so it's misleading. It's better to put the full resolution. In this way, GT5:P was NOT Full HD. It was like 1200x1080 or something. The reason devs can get away with lower resolutions and upscaling is because people don't notice.

[vhero]

720p Sub HD?? are you crazy?? Try halo 3 and its 540p That's Sub HD. 720p is HD. Anything less is Sub HD if you really have to label it.

[Megaton]

Man... this is amazing. Could create a case study on the degree of retardation at this site. Fighting over resolutions like religion. Y'all gathering at the Church of HDouchebaggery afterwards?

The one thing I noticed and really lol'd at was 1.49. Dchalfont calling David Jaffe stupid for statements he never made about a game he's not working on.

Bravo, N4G. Bravo.

[Blu Ray3]

And I support Sony way over MS.... FACT.
But the truth goes and from what I've read here...........
this N4G is totally controlled by Sony.

Sony made us all believe games would run at 1080p and 120 FPS!
The PS3 had this kind of power(FALSE)and this gen gen would start when they said it would.
This is complete BS!

Now you have these 8-10 bubbled Sony guys in here smoking out everybody of their bubbles(360 and Wii fans)with ease,and I find it hard to believe that they can't be Sony employed.

What a filthy and weak tactic on your peoples' part.

I was p1ssed when my 360 rroded that one time........but MS came through with a 3year warranty and redeemed themselves.
But MS never boasted the UTTER CRAP that this Sony has about the PS3i.e.
1080p,120fps games.

Face it,their developers are struggling to reach 720p at 60fps.

Software companies(unless Sony pay rolled)don't have the tools or the funding to develop games on the PS3 to their fullest potential(if it even consistently can),
and that is the utter truth this gen.
And this is why multiplats most the time run better on the 360(proven)and that p1sses me off.

GOW3 SHOULD HAVE BEEN 1080p at 120 FPS ....PERIOD.

This is their own BIG funded exclusive, and it fails to meet what was promised.
I've been an avid owner of every Sony console throughout the previous two generations,and bought countless games for these 2 systems.

But I'm a little p1ssed at Sony right now!

I was buffaloed into their 3rd gen hardware.......and I don't like being lied to.
And this site is one big Sony run fanboy crock.
I lost a bubble recently and then the truth came to me about this stupid site.......Sony funded without a question.
Cutthroat internet tactic there Sony!
People know the truth about this site.
If you have a brain you'll hear what I'm saying.

The real question is,what would their success rate have been if they hadn't lied,
and told the truth about BluRay being the major factor for them this gen?
Lot of Sonyfans might of jumped ship like many already had.
What about the paycheck to that final movie company to choose Blu Ray over HD DVD......hmmmmm?

I'm glad Blu Ray won actually because I thought it was the better format and since I have gathered quite the collection of movies for it also.

But it was won on dirty tactics........kind of like what Sony did
with the PS2 on the Dreamcast(a lousy Sega system in my opinion),
but nether the less.....they did.

And all the Sony fans and employees in here acting like they're so perfect and do no wrong.

You guys are bad people.
How do you sleep at night?
Well.......bye.

[Condemnedman]

You are a class A D'ck head

[The Happy Baby]

I just want people to know there is no such thing as "true HD" and that HD starts at 720, not 1080(in the US anyways).

And just so ya'll know, we have resolutions far beyond 1080p that can be attained, with some computer monitors already achieving these resolutions at an affordable price.

Read a tech blog every once and a while, jeez. And stop crying over 720p. Its not going to make it any LESS fun if your a fan of the series, right? Besides, I think the only thing you MIGHT need to worry about is the "variable" framerate.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

I'm sorry, but you ARE wrong on the 1920 x 1080 thing. 1080 is the number of lines HIGH and the 1920 is the number of lines ACROSS. Notice how HDTV's are wider than they are high. As for what GT5P is running at, I don't know, but you just have a fundamental mistake in your argument. If GT5P really is running at 1280 x 1080, then you're right that that is not "true" 1080p, though.

It seems that people are confusing horizontal and vertical. horizontal lines go sideways and vertical lines go up and down. I think people get confused because if you count VERTICALLY you are counting the HORIZONTAL lines, e.g. your computer keyboard has six horizontal lines of keys which you count by moving vertically.

Was it Jaffe that said it was going to be 1080p60? He's actually got nothing to do with the series anymore, so it would be unfortunate if it was his word people were going by.

[olLANDSHARKlo]

This is about Sony not doing their job correctly and you somehow seem to twist this to MS, fanboy much. This kind of mentality from Sony fanboys make me want to sell my ps3, I mean is it nothing but kids?

[Christopher]

Thank heaven this is confirmed at 720p. People have been spouting off 1080p textures just because random game 'journalists' (that word used extremely lightly) have said the game looks unbelievable.

I'll believe the hype behind GoW3 and its technical advancements, or lack thereof, when we see some fresh gameplay videos that aren't just the one-year old demo.

Also, Sony never said GoW3 would run at 1080p/60, that was all crap created once again by the public. Of course, once the concept gets spread, people cite it as fact without realizing that some idiot on the Web created that measurements some two months ago by pulling nothing out of his arse and sharing it with the world.

[raztad]

@likdmaster

I think you missed this thread out:

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...
Some impressions in there about DI vs GoW3.

@dchalfont

Wipeout HD is not a side scroller neither is GT5 (not talking about Prologue).

@everybody

That said I find a bit amusing so much hate because GoW3 is not running at 1080p, still every critic out there is praising the game visuals to the heavens. Many people hating GoW3 in this thread didnt show up in GoW3 previews that popped up yesterday.

[edgeofblade]

Oh, I really don't care. Really. I didn't even care when Halo 3 ran at 640p. As long as it's a progressive scan and the AA looks half decent, I'm happy. I'd rather get clean framerates than 1080p...

This one is a no brainer.

[griff2]

There seems to be some confusion here over aspect ratio and resolution. Aspect ratio, as the name implies, is the ratio of image width to height and is independent of resolution (because you can have non-square pixels).

Any resolution proceeded by 'p' is progressive and by 'i' interlaced; progressive means the whole frame is refreshed in one go, while interlaced means that the frame is split into two interlacing fields which alternately refresh to make up one frame.

For example, here in the UK BBC HD is broadcast in 1440x1080i whereas Eurosport is broadcast, aiu 1920x1080i, both are 16:9. 1080p is simply 1080 lines refreshed progressively; it is no indication of aspect ratio or horizontal resolution.

[Consoldtobots]

this is where BUSINESS DECISIONS take over, something fanboys apparently fail to comprehend plays a big part for these COMPANIES.
The decision was made to target 720p for this game because it is the happy medium for ALLLLLLLL the HDTVs that are out there. Why spend the time optimizing an engine for 1080p so a percentage of the userbase can brag about it when you can achieve 720p much faster and thus focus on what's important CONTENT AND GAMEPLAY.

You'll see almost all 1080p titles toward the latter half of the PS3s product cycle when 1080p will be ubiquitous.

[solidt12]

That's incredible. Most Games can't even do 720p without upscaling and with all the stuff going on in this game that is insane.

[Antan]

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

As predicted of course........No way on this planet this was going to be 1080p. If it were me...i`d of locked at 30fps (and whacked a few more bells and whistles on)... The demo fluctuates quite a lot and CAN be distracting. Take a leaf out of UC2`s book.......

[Mr Tretton]

I like seeing fps go up to 60 when it can. Looks nice. If you don't notice a stuttery switch between 30 and 60, then it's fine.

[Antan]

Well, its really gonna depend on how frequent this happens....They could for example lock the rates on a per level basis? Keep the heavy stuff at 30, and the lighter stuff at 60?

[FamilyGuy]

grrr

I hope you at least wish you had been wrong

[Cueil]

fluctuating fps is retarded no matter how you look at it... if you're use to a buttery smooth UC2 and you see something drop half it's frames all the sudden... I don't know... maybe they'll do it some other way, but for an action game to run a 30fps... that's 100ms lag tacked onto the lag from your controller and TV. *shrugs* I'm sure it will be enjoyable to everyone who likes those kind of games

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

Calm down people, the game has Vsync so even if the game's frame-rate drops to 20 and then goes up to 60 you will not notice a difference because it'll happen fast. As long as there are no slowdowns or screen-tearing your whining's needless.

In fact I am very happy that the devs are going with this approach instead of locking the frame rate to 30 or something like that. Having a fixed frame rate is good when you have bad programmers but this is Sony Santa Monica we're talking about. Haven't you seen how awesome their games look on PS2 hardware running at 480p/16:9? These guys are good.

And about the lag, it all depend. A game can be 60fps and still be very laggy on the controller, even more than a 30 fps game if is not done right. There an article in Eurogamer talking about this issue and they compare various games like Call of Duty, Halo, Uncharted , etc.

[swiftshot93]

Obviously having it run 720p is good. But variable framerate? Why wouldn't they just have it locked at 30 so that way they have greater graphical detail and we wouldnt have to notice the framerate changing.

I mean, as long as they make it un-noticeable, it should be fine.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

because the game will run slower. GOW is all about fast pace action while trying to keep the level of detail at the same time. Im happy with this.

GOW 1 and 2 ran at a varaible rate as well before the game was remastered for the GOW collection.

[NateCole]

Dam. I was hoping GOW3 will hit 1080p. I don't care about FPS as long as it dosen't get any lower than 30 FPS.

I guess PD are still the kings of PS hardware.

[Shadow Man]

Droids were making fun of FFXIII running @ 720p on the Xbox360, because the ps3 version runs at 1080p

I wonder what the have to say about this article.

[talltony]

Uhoh ps3 sucks cause gow 3 will run in 720p and not in 1080p. I guarrantee to all of you right now that ps3 can do more than 360 can at the same Rez. This game will look phenominal and I feel sorry for anyone that will miss out on this game.

[ssipmraw]

lol i doubt ffxiii runs at even 720p on the 360 judging from their previous efforts

and i dont really care about pixels, as long as it is visually pretty on the eyes

[chaosatom]

GOD OF WAR!!!

[Lord_Ranos]

I wonder what 360 game have made 1080p with 60fps? NONE.

PS3 has:
WipeoutHD 1080P with 60fps
Ratchet and Clank a Crack in Time 1080p with 60fps

[Pistolero]

Wipeout HD has a variable resolution...its strange I know but it actually changes resolution depending on how much stuff is going on.

Now...Ratchet & Clank A Crack in Time is not only not 1080p...it isn't even native 720p...it is a subHD 960x704...but 720p is 1280x720. http://forum.beyond3d.com/s... Like other ps3 games it might be able to be upscaled to 1080p...but that is just upscaling, not native resolution.

Also...in case you did not know...the 360 has a built in hardware scaler that allows every 360 game to be upscaled to 1080p.

[ssipmraw]

that doesnt mean the game will run so good.
take ninja gaiden II, for 360, set the game to 1080p and you get a lagfest

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

:D

[ssipmraw]

lol we all know that the only sex you have is with your mother

you dont need to put out your hatred upon myself and other for the mistakes youve made in life

[Droid Smasha]

.

[SaberEdge]

@ Shadow Man

You are mistaken. Both versions of Final Fantasy XIII run at 720p.

[likedamaster]

LOL...

Seems like Sony devs need to tone down their boasting.

[dustgavin]

You mean like Microsoft and their inflated 'imaginary' sales figures?

[hiyaku]

Look at the little 360 leg humpers trying to downplay the game just because it isn't at 1080. Oh noooes. :(

[4point7BillionLoss]

droids you look so stupid now ....

[Bungie]

variable frame rate ...FAIL

only 720p..FAIL

PS. i need 1 more ignore plz almost 100

plz anynoe ?

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

I'm gonna Lul if people are gonna start unadding you from their ignore list just to piss you off.

[ssipmraw]

mgs4 ran at 720p and had a variable fram rate and its one of the only 4 games to be rated 10/10 by both gamespot and ign

[Pistolero]

You got your facts wrong...MGS4 was a subHD game...it runs at 1024x768, which is less than 720p (1280x720)...here is the link again... http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[ssipmraw]

even better, just shows that resolution has nothing to do with how good a game looks and plays aka God of war III & mgs4

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Bungie (((Achievement Unlocked))) You Made 100 Droids Cry

[Hellsvacancy]

Of coure, stupid me, i 4-got that the Gears/Halo games where in 1080p and 60 frames a second - im such a noob

[dustgavin]

It's funny watching all these bots laugh about graphics when the top game they have runs at a sub-hd resolution.

[AuToFiRE]

i find it quite funny that you are making such a big deal out of it being 720p, considering all games on the 360 are 720 or less

[MetalGearRising]

What happened to 1080p like all ps3 retards were claiming. GOW3 720p sub hd canceling my pre-order asap.

[ssipmraw]

lol we all know you dont have a ps3

[Karooo]

fck off lmao, go wait for halo reach in november.

[NateCole]

Hey, at least it in HD unlike Gaylo 3.

[MetalGearRising]

interview with Arabic gaming site N4GA that his title will have a variable frame rate from 20 to 60 frames per second depending on the amount of action on screen. Mega Flop Confirmed.

[OmarJA-N4G]

Let's just hope Reach won't run at 640p this time. :D

[Pistolero]

You mean like MGS4?...which is hyped up by the ps3 fanboys as one of the best looking games ever...even though it only runs at 1024x768.

[A Cupcake for Gabe]

MGS4 is the second best looking game on any console, just behind Native 720p Uncharted 2...Oh so substandard? Both games are only rivaled by PC's Crysis....

I think all you 360-only fanboy knuckle pucks are pretty stupid. MGS4 could of been technically an 8bit game. What ever specs you throw out, 1080p or whatever stupid thing you said, everyone's eyes have seen how visually stunning MGS4 and U2 are. If MGS4 is so subHD, then tell me why ODST looks like you're watching fuzzier version of Halo3 through a pair of glasses with scratched lenses, in the dark...And MGS4 gives everyone a fvcking eye orgasm..?

[Marty8370]

30FPS - 60FPS not 20FPS. Seriously your just a jealous bot.

Jump Out, Play B3yond

[Blu Ray3]

But the truth goes and from what I've read here...........
this N4G is totally controlled by Sony.

Sony made us all believe games would run at 1080p and 120 FPS!
The PS3 had this kind of power(FALSE)and this gen gen would start when they said it would.
This is complete BS!

Now you have these 8-10 bubbled Sony guys in here smoking out everybody of their bubbles(360 and Wii fans)with ease,and I find it hard to believe that they can't be Sony employed.

What a filthy and weak tactic on your peoples' part.

I was p1ssed when my 360 rroded that one time........but MS came through with a 3year warranty and redeemed themselves.
But MS never boasted the UTTER CRAP that this Sony has about the PS3i.e.
1080p,120fps games.

Face it,their developers are struggling to reach 720p at 60fps.

Software companies(unless Sony pay rolled)don't have the tools or the funding to develop games on the PS3 to their fullest potential(if it even consistently can),
and that is the utter truth this gen.
And this is why multiplats most the time run better on the 360(proven)and that p1sses me off.

GOW3 SHOULD HAVE BEEN 1080p at 120 FPS ....PERIOD.

This is their own BIG funded exclusive, and it fails to meet what was promised.
I've been an avid owner of every Sony console throughout the previous two generations,and bought countless games for these 2 systems.

But I'm a little p1ssed at Sony right now!

I was buffaloed into their 3rd gen hardware.......and I don't like being lied to.
And this site is one big Sony run fanboy crock.
I lost a bubble recently and then the truth came to me about this stupid site.......Sony funded without a question.
Cutthroat internet tactic there Sony!
People know the truth about this site.
If you have a brain you'll hear what I'm saying.

The real question is,what would their success rate have been if they hadn't lied,
and told the truth about BluRay being the major factor for them this gen?
Lot of Sonyfans might of jumped ship like many already had.
What about the paycheck to that final movie company to choose Blu Ray over HD DVD......hmmmmm?

I'm glad Blu Ray won actually because I thought it was the better format and since I have gathered quite the collection of movies for it also.

But it was won on dirty tactics........kind of like what Sony did
with the PS2 on the Dreamcast(a lousy Sega system in my opinion),
but nether the less.....they did.

And all the Sony fans and employees in here acting like they're so perfect and do no wrong.

You guys are bad people.
How do you sleep at night?
Well.......bye.

[AuToFiRE]

tl;dr

[mrmikew2018]

watch how many Xbox fanboys blow this out of proportion, especially the whole FPS thing. Thank you examiner

[Pistolero]

The only reason any 360 fan will make an issue out of this is because of how constantly it was rubbed in our faces... and many of us predicted that the final game would not be able to run at 1080p but were attacked for having that opinion.

[The Lazy One]

yea... so many xbox fans in here.

double standards ftw.

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

is because Halo can not run at 720p.

[SaberEdge]

@TotalPS3Fanboy

It's not that Halo 3 couldn't run at 720p, because obviously most games on the 360 run at 720p, it was because of the very advanced HDR lighting that they implemented.

But it is a moot point anyway because Bungie has said that Halo Reach will be native 720p.

[Xi]

I've heard it changes based on the weapon he uses? Seems a little strange, I'm guessing it has to do with the weapon model and the effects that go along with it?

Either way I hope it's not noticeable, the game looks epic.

[Kurisu]

I hope the frame rate in the final game is better than the one in the demo. But then again, that demo is almost a YEAR old! Besides, I'm currently playing through the God of War Collection, and the frame rate stays firmly locked.

[lightningsax]

So long as this game is looking like the latest screenshots we've been seeing, I'm cool with 720p upscaled. I'll stare at a 6-inch screen if I have to, so 720p is welcome for now. By next generation, the 1080p thing should be almost a given, and there will be some other big new thing we can baww about. For now, it's just not always possible.

However, the "variable framerate" thing is uh, interesting. Don't Sega-Bayonetta this game, Santa Monica!

[spunnups]

I have no problems with a 30-60 framerate nor 720p, which I heard is the best definition when there is a lot of action going on whether it's TV, Movie, or Game.

[OpenGL]

I knew this was going to be the case awhile back, as both the PS3 and 360 are ill-equipped for 1080p gaming. The game can still look great at 720p, so it's not really that big of a deal anyway.

[Xi]

in the end the resolution and the frame-rate don't really play that heavily into a games appearance. Ie a 640p game at 30fps can look amazing if the art direction, assets and effects pull the game through, and conversely a game with poor art direction that's not polished will look bad even at 1080p with 120fps.

case and point:
http://versatile1.files.wor...

vs
http://www.seibertron.com/i...

[OpenGL]

Modern Warfare 2 actually has a native resolution of 1024x600 with 2xAA on the 360 and PS3 where as Transformers the game is 960x1080, and Revenge of the Fallen is 1120x720 with a blur filter on both platforms.

[Xi]

my point is that even with a higher resolution it's not like the game looks any better. There's a number of examples that could be made for this.

a good looking game will look good because the people developing it are making it look good, not because the fps, resolution or even polygon count.

a good example of poly count is halo vs halo 2
MC actually has less polygons in halo 2 than halo ce.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[OpenGL]

I don't know if I'd agree about polygon count(unless we're talking about poor use of polygons), but rendering resolution is not the end all for image quality. I would rather have Uncharted 2 at 720p looking the way it currently does than having it at 1080p with a loss of detail.

[DaTruth]

According to the jokers at Digital Foundry, no game can look good without AA! Apparently HD isn't necessary in HD consoles and AA is the be all and end all!

Everybody has their stupid requirements based on bias now!

[Xi]

you do know that the people at digital foundry are actual game developers that also post heavily on the beyond 3d forum. They have a very strong programming background and a lot of them are connected to other developers in the field.

They bring up AA so much because it's the most resource intensive post process in real time rendering. Aliasing doesn't just apply to dodgy-looking edges; it can also extend to other artifacts when rendering with texture and shaders, including moiré patterns and specular aliasing.

It's also one of the easiest forms of demarcation when looking at how a game handles it's resources.

[SaberEdge]

Great post, Xi. I was going to say something similar, but you explained it so well.

Personally, aliasing is one of the most bothersome things about many console games today. The less of it the better.

I would take better anti-aliasing over a higher resolution any day.

[D3R3K903]

This game still has 1080 support, check http://blog.us.playstation.... and look at post 24.

[D3R3K903]

lolololol disagrees for being right lololol

[Gago]

lets hope it gets 60 fps atleast

every other action game has it

[mrmikew2018]

I knew the first somewhat negative news on God of War 3, I knew you were going to grace us with your stupidity. Even Bayonetta doesn't have a constant frame rate of 60 fps, so please tell me what point your trying to make? Another question for you Gago, why do you care whether game runs at 30 fps or 60 fps you weren't going to get the game anyway, seeing how your convince that Bayonetta is a better game.

[Pistolero]

Well I don't know about Bayonetta but Dante's Inferno was confirmed to run at a steady 60 FPS.

[Mr Logic]

Yes, because we all know that Dante's Inferno is such a graphically intense game. /s

[Somnipotent]

because everyone is biting nails in wait for dante's inferno, right? seriously, it looks fun and i'll probably rent it, but no way in hades does it compare to gowIII in magnitude. it could be 4K resolution with 240fps and i'd still pick gowIII out of it. EA is just looking out for those fanboys who refuse to partake in the ps3 goodness that is gowIII.

[DaTruth]

Ha ha, GOW collection is also 60fps; And it has better graphics than Dante's Inferno!

[SaberEdge]

Anybody that says that the GOW Collection looks better than Dante's Inferno should have their eyes gouged out with hot pokers since they obviously aren't working anyway.

Seriously, that is the most absurd, off the wall thing anybody could say. The lighting, textures and effects are all much more advanced in Dante's Inferno. You guys haven't even played through Dante's Inferno, you are basing everything on what you saw in the demo.

Do you even realize what you are saying? You are saying that Dante's Inferno looks worse than a last generation PS2 game (the weakest last gen console). That is so ridiculous that it just blows my mind that anybody could even make that claim and expect to be taken seriously.

Edit: Just to reiterate, are you really saying that this http://www.youtube.com/watc... looks better than this? http://www.youtube.com/watc... If so, I'll know not to trust your judgment on other games' graphics in the future.

[DevastationEve]

Dante's Inferno is actually very competitive with GoW III. Kratos is so unrefined as a character, as a puppet for your gameplay enjoyment he fits his role. The story behind of God of War is excellent, don't get me wrong. But IMHO Dante's Inferno has a better story, plus better characters, and better graphics. It's to be seen if Goof of War III can stand up to its new rival, or retreat to its gods and goddesses.

But for now NO GAME tops Dante's Inferno in its genre.

[DatNJDom81]

no seriously, ur hilarious!

[OmarJA-N4G]

Bots are getting nervous by the minute can't blame them... :D

This game would probably run at 585p & 15 FPS on the 360, LMAO! :D

[Pistolero]

Give me a flippin break...look at these two lists of games http://forum.beyond3d.com/s... do you see?...you see that the PS3 is actually the console that has more subHD games. I mean look at those lists...there are so many games that are full HD on the 360 and subHD on the PS3...even MGS4 is subHD for crying out loud.

[emk2004]

if you guys want 60fps with 1080p graphics or better your gona have to buy a gaming pc. on the other note the game still looks amazing beyond any other console game imo, the only game that looks better is crysis.

[Pistolero]

I dont agree...Uncharted 2 Gears of War 2 and Killzone 2 all still look better to me.

[Somnipotent]

but he has a point. although console gaming is cheaper. not everyone has the money to build an awesome gaming rig. $300 is a far cry from the $1000+ you're going to have to spend to even touch the minimum required.

[CREESH]

Got to admit I am dissapointed

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

You prefer games with subpar HD resolution and choppy frame rates like Bayonetta.

[qwertyuiopasdfghjkl]

Tell me something I didn't know...

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I really think the 720p vs. 1080p thing have been blown out of proportion.

Movies look better in 1080p because they're MADE in a much larger resolution and downscaled to 1080p.

Games will look the best in whatever they're made in. Obviously, 1080p COULD look better...but it's not really worth the extra effort if your game is going to look its best running at 720p.

Killzone 2 - 720p
Uncharted 2 - 720p
God of War III - 720p

Lair - 1080p

Should I continue?

[qwertyuiopasdfghjkl]

Your right, going for a lower render resolution can add substantial performance, but that doesn't mean games today are BEST in 720p, mind you alot of PS3 games default output in 720p, but can be forced to output in 1080p, which leads to a different rendering method to save performance.

KZ2 for example, defaults in 1280x720p with a bit of AA. After forcing 1080p output, the rendering method chages to a scaled 960x1080. In my opinion, KZ2 looks better and runs smoother with this setting, minus the scaling lag you'd get if your TV was scaling 720p output to 1080p.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

Lair = 800x1080 (2xAA) - AA buffers are merged to produce 1600x1080 for further scaling

Having taken classes and actually learned how games today are rendered or displayed, it pains me to read N4G comments about "Teh gRafiX!"

Because you people don't know JACK. (About this subject)

Edit: lol @ disagree...

[Bellcross]

Gran Turismo 5 says Hi.

Can't wait to get my hands on this game in the meantime I'll get GOW collection to hold me over until then.

[Pistolero]

Well actually the 1080p mode in Gran Turismo 5 isn't true 1080p either...it is 1280x1080...but true 1080p is 1920x1080...here is the link.. http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[OpenGL]

Gran Turismo 5: Prologue is only 1280x1080 with 2xAA. If you want a real 1080p game Wipeout HD has a dynamic resolution of 1920x1080 to 1280x1080 depending on the rendering load to maintain a constant 60 frames per second. I have never actually noticed any decrease in resolution when playing the game.

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

GT5P has 1080 horizontal lines, so GT5P = 1080p. 1080p does not define the vertical lines. Stop with this "true" 1080p crap.

[DevastationEve]

It's not true 1080p HD. Stop with this whole 1080p is 1080p thing.

1920x1080 = True 1080p HD
anything less than 1920x1080p =/= True 1080p HD

And it's not our words, it's actually a term Sony used to differentiate PS3 having HDMI from Xbox 360 having component HD. And even still, component HD can output 1080p (it's just not a color-sharp as HDMI)

[divideby0]

UC2 was fine..this will be also fine...

[Lord_Ranos]

720p and 1080p= PS3

420p and 640p= 360

[mesh1]

gta4 ps3 version 640p
gta4 360 version 720p
haze 640p
bayonetaa ps3 640p
the list goes on

[The Maxx]

I am a little disappointed in the framrates being between 30 and 60. Dante's Inferno is at 60 FPS which allows an extremely smooth visual and gameplay. I really thought GoW3 was going to be 60fps.

But, this just goes to show us that great games don't need to be 1080p all the time. I guess MS was right when they said that 720 was the optimal resolution for performance. GoW3 is going to be a great game regardless of resolution and fps.

[NateCole]

You bots shouldn't say crap and wait first if reach can finally reach HD. Otherwise you will have piss on top of crap that is already on your faces

[Aquarius]

Xbox 720 is when it'll finally be able to output HD Video and audio and that aint happening because Project Lagtal is gonna flop HARD.

[Kalowest]

I wanted my first 1080p game, guess i have to wait for GT5, whenever thats coming out. So much for having a 1080p TV.

[Letros]

GT5 looks solid, but that is one game I could really care less about the graphics.

[DaTruth]

You could watch movies. My 1080p set blows away my 720p set in Bluray movies!

[Kalowest]

I have BR Movies, they like awesome in 1080p, just wise they would make a PS3 game in 1080p. The PS3 doesn't have a upscaler built in so how are they going to upscale GOW3 to 1080p

[Gran Touring]

My question is, will the frame-rate generally be closer to 30 or 60 while playing?

[saint_john_paul_ii]

it will be closer to 60.

[Pandamobile]

It all depends how much is going on screen. If there's no enemies or action, and you're just running down a dungeon corridor or something, you'll be closer to 60. If you're in a cluster of baddies, the framerate will dip to 30, or lower, depending on how well they optimize the game.

[DevastationEve]

it will be closer to 60 when you're not doing anything.

[edwineverready]

Look at the new screens underneath the article. Epic scale confirmed!

[Hudahudahuda]

Little dissapointing mainly because I was waiting to see a full game this gen in 1080p native for the first time and playing as Kratos would have made the experience perfect.

[Man_of_the_year]

WOW. Look at all the SDF comments in here doing damage control. Funny thing is that it's the same in the gamerzone as well.

LOL at all the Fanboys trying to critizise the 360 and saying that it couldn't run this game or that the textures and resolution couldn't be done. LOL.

Yet most multiplats are proven to run better on the 360. Bayonetta runs better on the 360 which has better textures. Dante's Inferno will run in 720p @ 60fps and is on the 360 and the PS3. So i am confused as to why these moronic idiots of droids are talking crap about the 360. FACTS that there are plenty of games that run on the 360 that have either sharper textures than the same game found on the PS3, smoother framrates and higher resolutions. Don't forget the games that run in a lower resolution on the PS3 then the 360...GTA IV being one of them.

GoW3 can ofcourse be done on the 360, and if it was, it would probably run at 60fps just like Dante's Inferno will be.

@TallTony - you are clearly doing damage control and if you think for a moment that "ps3 can do more than 360 can at the same Rez". History has already shown that no, it can't. It may be able to do "true" 1080p but the PS3 and 360 are capable of running the same rez as each other, however, the 360 just doesn't need to work as hard to do it. Feel free to research multiplat games that run at the same FPS and rez and see which game performs greater on what system...i will give you a hint, it's going to be the 360 version 90% of the time.

[Karooo]

retards uncharted 2 ran at 720p and 30fps and is goty. 360 doesnt even have blu ray so fck off.

[ssipmraw]

lol dantes inferno looks like sh!t compared to god of war III
and if the 360 can run god of war III then where is the equivalent for the 360 hmmmm? thats right there isnt one!

[Pistolero]

Well God of War 3 might look better than Dante's Inferno but then again Dante's Inferno has a higher frame rate....you ask where is the equivalent game on the 360...well the 360 doesn't have a first party hack and slash game...now does it...exclusives generally have bigger budgets and more time spent on them.

[Karooo]

if it doesnt have first party studios that can show its power?

[SaberEdge]

Because the 360 is a great console that has the largest library of games out of any current gen console and has plenty of really nice looking games of its own.

What does it really matter if one game looks a little better than another? That didn't seem to bother Playstation fans last generation when they were playing on the weakest hardware and games with the poorest quality of graphics. Then it was all about how fun the games were, but now if one game looks 3% better it is suddenly the most important factor and every other consideration is pushed to the side.

Here is another thing to consider. There are only a couple of games on the PS3 that can be considered graphical marvels. So what about all the other exclusives and multiplats that look merely good or average? Are they not worth playing because they don't live up to the standard of Uncharted 2? Is Infamous a bad game because it looks average and doesn't nearly live up to the graphics in Uncharted 2?

I'm not saying that good graphics aren't a plus. They certainly are. There are some really amazing looking games coming out for the 360 this year and graphics can definitely help immerse you in a game. But graphics are only one element out of many. In fact, they are more like a bonus. The most important factor is how enjoyable a game is.

[talltony]

After killzone 2 and uncharted 2 we are still talking about superior multiplats on 360 to try and prove the systems power over the ps3 really? I said the ps3 can do more at the same Rez. And it can we have seen this with a ton of amazing looking ps3 exclusives. I don't know why ur bringing multiplats into the argument, everyone with common sense knows why some multiplats perform better on 360 at a higher Rez. They are not even using the cell for some games and it can still almost keep up with the best the 360 has to offer which is sad. It's 2010 I can't believe we are still having this conversation. It has been proven again and again that the ps3 can simply do more. End of!

[The Maxx]

"I said the ps3 can do more at the same Rez. And it can we have seen this with a ton of amazing looking ps3 exclusives."

Yet you don't gice any examples and you didn't say that multiplats were not allowed to be used. You just made a generic statement. And one that can only be proven using multiplats.

I think you are missing your own point. In order to compare if either system can do the same as the other, then you have to look at it as Apples to Apples. KZ2 and Uncharted 2 are not on the 360, thus how can you make a comparision? You have to use multiplats in order to see under the same conditions, which game can perform better. And like your comment "I said the ps3 can do more at the same Rez." in order see both consoles using the same rez on the same game will be then be able to see exactly how much is going on, on screen.

You using exclusives is a cop out. As there is no way to determine if what you say is true or not. Man Of The Year have given examples that games on the 360 can do plenty with a high resolution. Plenty was going on in the example he used of GTAIV. Yet that game has a higher resolution than GTAIV on the PS3.

You can't say "I said the ps3 can do more at the same Rez." and only use KZ2 and UC2 has your proof. Man of the year is right, I can't agree with you. Can you provide proof that MOTY is wrong? Can you prove that more things can be happening at once on the PS3 than the 360 without using multiplats? I would like to see you try.

[talltony]

You think I used exclusives as a cop out? Well I think he used superior performing multiplat games on 360 that are inferior to ps3 exclusives as a cop out. Alot of multiplats are made on 360 first and then are run on ps3 with a emulator. We cant compare multiplat games because anyone with eyes knows that is not the best ps3 can do. We can compare games in the same genre though. Compare killzone 2 to any 360 fps or uncharted 2 to any 3rd person shooter on 360. This is common sense showing everyone that the ps3 can do more at the same resolutions. Sure it might take more work on ps3 but overall from what we have seen we have more reason to believe that infact the ps3 can indeed do more than 360 at the same native resolution.

[The Maxx]

"Its common sense" - To who? If it's so common then it shouldn't be hard for you to show proof.

"Well I think he used superior performing multiplat games on 360 that are inferior to ps3 exclusives as a cop out" - This comment makes no sense at all.

"We can compare games in the same genre though" comparing games within the same genre is not comparing Apples to Apples. Game A is not the same game as game B so you cannot compare.

Your original comment "I said the ps3 can do more at the same Rez. And it can we have seen this with a ton of amazing looking ps3 exclusives." can only be used if the games are the same. 1 game may be utilizing 1 thing more than another game. And what about games like GhostBusters that was first done on the PS3 then ported to the 360? What about Tekken? There examples trumps your comment that PS3 gets the ports from 360 and that's why they look better.

And to top it all off, the sentence that make's your who Fanboy view of this is "Sure it might take more work on ps3 but overall from what we have seen we have more reason to believe that infact the ps3 can indeed do more than 360 at the same native resolution." If it takes more work to get it on the PS3 then it's not equal. Like I said "You have to use multiplats in order to see under the same conditions, which game can perform better.". If you have to put more time/money/resources into the PS3 then the games are not under the same conditions.

Multiplats are the only way you can compare the same game since the games should have the same resolution, same GFX and gameplay. Only Sony fanboys try and use exclusives as a measure of what Console A can do over Console B because they don't understand (Like Yourself) that you can't say Game A is better than Game B since it's opinion if it's not the same game that can be measured equally.

Sorry TallTony, but you are very very wrong.

[talltony]

You clearly lack common sense. In your mind the fact that ps3 has more amazing looking exclusive games than 360 has nothing to do with the power it has over the 360.! I am looking at best vs. Best and your looking at mediocrity vs. Mediocrity. You cant compare multiplats some developers will develop better for one console and not the other because of the vastly different architecture. I have all consoles and a 360 with a 36000 gamerscore. I am clearly a gamer but unlike you I can see that the ps3 has vastly superior looking exclusives which obviously means something instead of nothing. Just wait till gow3, the bar will be raised once again. End of. Don't bother replying cause I won't.

[The Maxx]

You are clearly a product of Fanboysism that can be read in your posts. I will no longer have conversations with you as I just end up bring myself down to your level and thus make myself look as bad as you.

Keep your fanboy narrow-minded views. It's a shame that this gen has spawned the worst fanboys ever.

[talltony]

Maxx your way of thinking is really effed up. Lol like seriously it's funny how you try to turn things around and call me a fanboy. You should really stop thinking your right cause your not. Lol Your comment could easily be applied to you infact I will just say "Dido"

End of again.

[jack who]

720p = 360
640p= ps3

[dustgavin]

Halo 3- 640p
Halo:odst- 640p

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

LOL there are more subHD games on the PS3 than there is on the 360 and droids claim it to be a "true HD console" 2010 sucks for the droids filled with flops like Heavy Rain and 2 games to play all year long. It doesn't matter anyway that the PS3 has no games in 2010 none of you would have bought them anyway.

@dustgavin below: lets talk about 2009... last year :D you know the year that is over, in the past, not coming back, the only year the PS3 had games, and you still didn't buy any? ok so lets talk :O snap!

[dustgavin]

You want to talk about no games? Let's talk about 360 in 2009.

2010 will bring yet another shoddy Halo exclusive that runs in sub-hd as well. That is about all bots have to look forward to.

Well, that and stroking Milo with Natal. That might even pose a problem since they had to lose a processor!

[damnightmare]

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[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Do you smell it... its kinda like (sniff sniff) what is that? Oh yeah its desperation :)

You tend to do that copy and paste thing when you're desperate and have no good comebacks. take this http://www.kleenex.com and wipe away the tears flowing from your eyes.

have a goodin

[damnightmare]

I've actually only did that with one other person before :)

So either you are that other person, or you troll SO much and have no life that you have seen the comment lmfao

Either way, you don't deny it hahaha

By the by I own both consoles, so I don't know what desperation you are talking about. Of course we all can't be the brightest bulbs in the bunch, I'd rather listen to pistolero then you though at least he puts up facts. Other then your drivel haha

Isn't the Open Zone fun!

[SaberEdge]

"You want to talk about no games? Let's talk about 360 in 2009."

Or the PS3 prior to 2009.

If the criteria for having "no games" is merely having a less appealing lineup than your competitor, then the PS3 had no games before 2009.

The thing is, you guys have downplayed the 360's games for so long in your minds that you have actually started to believe it. The 360 had some great games in 2009, several of which I am still playing to this day.
Halo Wars was a great game. I don't care how many of you attack it, it was a really good RTS. And it provides an experience completely different than ODST, so the fact that they have the same name in their title does not detract from the completely unique experiences that they offer.
Left4Dead 2, Halo ODST, Forza 3, The GTA4 sides stories, Shadow Complex...well, suffice to say that there were quite a few good games to be found on the 360 in 2009. And that's not even getting into all the good multiplatform games.

The PS3 had a really good lineup in 2009, but 2009 is in the past now for both consoles. All those games are now simply part of the catalog of games available for the console. From that perspective the Xbox 360 has a much larger catalog of games to choose from.

[NateCole]

Jason. Desperation is when bots bash a game at 720p even when most x360 games can't run games at that resolution including xbox biggest game.

This is just hilarious. You bots are hilarious. Even now a PS3 game rated at 9 is considered a flop. Truth is. You bots are all FLOPS!!!.

[jack who]

720p = 360
640p= ps3

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

The only game developers that will achieve a game running in 'True' 1080p (1920x1080) 60fps with CGI quality graphics during actual in-game gameplay are the guys at 'Digi-Guys'.

They have created a True 1080p 60fps engine and they are the only developers who have the technology to create '3D Mega Textures' all in real-time.

I seriously can't wait to see what WarDevil: Unleash The Beast Within looks like when it's finished.

[unrealgamer58]

ok for the people who are saying dantes inferno runs at 60 fps. don't be dense, You know gow 3 has much more things going on than dantes inferno.

@Pistolero

He wasn't calling you a fanboy (or maybe you are)

"watch how many Xbox fanboys blow this out of proportion, especially the whole FPS thing. Thank you examiner"

"The only reason any 360 fan will make an issue out of this is because of how constantly it was rubbed in OUR faces"

LOL

[Bellcross]

We still get this awesome game in march 60 frames are not I'll still buy it, at least it's not Halo 3 and I bet your precious Halo: Reach wont even be 720p at 30fps. it will be upscale 640p at 30fps like 90% of Xbox 360 games. didn't hear any of you guys complaining about that.

Oh the irony.

[etownone]

Tell me, where you one of the kids braggin about ps3's power and looking forward to your almighty ps3 running gow3 at 1080p/60fps? Hahaha

and why bring up Halo? Why not mgs4 and the ps3 version of gta4 ....those also ran at subHD

anyways, the 360 version on bayanetta spanks gow3, so I'll be more than happy with that game.

[DaTruth]

Why do you think GTA4 on PS3 was superior? Better draw distances, less pop-in(the two most important things in GTA games) and better colours. But all multiplats are inferior games!

And MGS4 craps all over anything on the 360. How would you bring up a game that graphically destroys everything on your own console!

[horndog]

Lol. Spin away little droids.

Teh Kratoz will be 60fpz atz 1080p vecauze teh cell and the bluray iz so powerfull. Lol.

[W831SOLIDSNAKE]

But teh Haloz and teh HD DVD teh futures and teh RROD teh Zenons Teh Sales Teh sales and teh Haloz and teh definitve

LOL Lame Bots

[hiyaku]

TEH HALOZ, TEH HALOZ! TEH LITTLE GAY POWA RANGAAAAAS!

[etownone]

Oowch...

No 1080p and can't be locked in at 60fps...
so much for harnessing the ps3 untapped power, in the end, the ps3 could NOT do it.

Massive disappointed in the PS3 community on NG4, but of course those kids will just be in denial

EDIT
geez..... If 60fps is so important to you kids, just buy Dantes Inferno

or better yet, but the best action hack/slash game this gen, Bayanetta (the 360 version of course)

[saint_john_paul_ii]

fail troll is fail.

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

Meanwhile, the 360 could only dream of doing this game at 720p at 30 fps.

[Bellcross]

But unlike you I have a life a job and a family to support, I don't sit on N4G 24/7 trolling to feel like I'm important. I only come here to get the latest news on new releases I didn't even know about the 60fps/1080p claim for GOW3 like it even matters to me. I've played uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 and they both looked better than anything on consoles to this day so you can continue your childish ways I hope you feel like you accomplished something in life because you got a really sad one.

[ReBurn]

^^ Do you only troll in the evenings and on weekends? Because you were definitely trolling 360 fanboys above with your "crying" comment. Just sayin'.

[djtek184]

lol, Bots want this game so bad.

[bunfighterii]

I'm personally a little disappointed.

The PS3 has always been advertised to have Full HD gaming, yet there are like only 2 games that are Full HD native.

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

The 360 could not even do this.

[Kalowest]

No game is full 1080p on the PS3, the only game that i can think of thats probably full 1080p is MGS4.

[aaronisbla]

as good as i thought MGS4 looked it wasnt 1080p, in fact i think it was noted as being a tad bit sub hd. dont quote me on that though.

Wipeout hd was 1080p at 60fps though

[DevastationEve]

Xbox 360 can handle this game, probably would be the same resolution and framerate given the necessary platform-specific optimizations of course. I think it's sad though, PS3 fanboys really did kinda write their own doom by spreading fud about all PS3 games being 1080p/60fps.

And about subHD MGS4...

[Somnipotent]

Ridge Racer 7 and Wipeout HD says hi.

[FreeFalling]

Not to bash on GoW 3 or psn fanboys or anything,
but there's so much hypocrisy going on here..

I remember PS3 fanboys [ignorantly] bashing 360 owners because of the 1080p.

Now it doesn't matter. You can't say theres not at least one ps3 fanboy here that has done this, and is now "shrugging off" the 720p.

[etownone]

Well said
completely agreed.

But loving some of these ps3 leaving comments justifying and finding excuses.

Hahaha

[DaTruth]

Now they can only bash because of the 720p, which 360 also cannot perform!

[ReBurn]

Seriously? 360 can't do 720p? There are many games on the 360 that run at 720p. There are also many games on both 360 and PS3 that run at sub-HD resolutions. I understand wanting to defend the PS3. But that's not really a good way to do it.

[Socrates]

Actually you need to get your facts straight DaTruth.

Looking at the beyond3d resolution lists it was interesting to see that out of 174 retail games in the 360 list 39 were sub-HD, whereas out of 172 retail games listed for the PS3 56 were sub-HD.

135 of the 360 games were listed as 720p or higher, while 116 of the PS3 games were 720p or higher.

What this means is that the PS3 had a higher percentage of full retail games that run at sub-HD resolutions.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[taylork37]

Its sucks because I want this to be 1080p, but damn it so funny when the ps3 fanboys eat their own sh*t.

[Karooo]

Not everybody have 1080p TV, also at 720p you can make it more good looking by adding more effects and stuff so 720p ftw.

[W831SOLIDSNAKE]

It's going to be more fun watching you sitting arround with nothing to play waiting for teh Haloez to come out while we play AAA games. Now that's sum shhhhh!t Now eat bot ull have plenty

Oh and HD DVD was such a faliure HAHAHA I'll never forget ur faces bots when u where left with a $199.99 door stop HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Enjoy

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

LOL W831SOLIDSNAKE got nothing

[AKS]

The best looking console games, Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2, were in 720p native. Neither ran at 60 fps, either. Do you want a game to look and play its best or are you more concerned with tech specs bragging rights and "full HD" marketing (over)hype?

[Kalowest]

You forget about R&C AciT running at 720p with 60FPS.

[Obama]

Why are the bots jumping around in joy? They still don't have a game that matches the graphic of UC2. ;)

[BYE]

You mean UC1, a 2007 game :D

[hazardman]

WTF Sony!!! I thought GOW3 was going to be in 1080p..It's obviously not gonna stop me from buying it, but I feel very disappointed Sony..

[etownone]

At least your being honest

[Nac]

Who gives a sh!t, only noobs think graphics make the game anyway.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

you know what would be funny, when the 360 fanboys see the next GOW 3 trailer, they will go back into damage control.

the media has already seen the recent build and their Jaws have dropped. so tell me, why are 360 fanboys pulling these stunts? its like you guys want to fall into the realm of dissapointment.

[hiyaku]

THEY'RE SCARED. :-)

[sikbeta]

GOW3 will be EPIC. period.

[LLSMOOTH]

There is no excuse for this game to not run at 1080P. This is one of the marquee games for Sony and Sony is all about HD content and the biggest and baddest graphics, so what is the issue on delivering this?

This is like Nintendo putting out a Wii game with no motion control or like Microsoft making a shooter that has only 1 online mode.

It is not right. There is no excuse.

[AriesFury]

you would think that the last game of the franchise that Sony would make it the best ever?

[LLSMOOTH]

People keep throwing around this word "Epic"...they say it will be Epic this and Epic that.. but will the game be fun and entertaining?

Forget Epic.. gaming is meant to be fun.

Its like the Sony marketing machine has this "Epic" word embedded in the Sony fans heads.

[Kalowest]

GOW3-1080p = Epic Fail.

[HubbaBubba]

dont really think this article is legit
after seeing many videos of GOW3 this is hard 2 believe

[yamzilla]

Microsoft can't even get HALO...the most beloved franchise... to run in HD...lol @ 1156x640....GROSS...that game looks so much like poo it's not even funny....nice jaggies all over the screen....the xbox360 is a trailer trash console...good luck with HALO REACH...here's a hint...that will look like crap too. Your "ingame" trailer is no indication of the final product...it will look exactly like that catastrophe that was gaylo3.

360 has nothing that even compares with uncharted 1....NOTHING!!!!

oh p.s.

Microsoft can't even get HALO to run in HD
Microsoft can't even get HALO to run in HD
Microsoft can't even get HALO to run in HD
Microsoft can't even get HALO to run in HD.....
HALO

[ReBurn]

Typical "well 360 can't either" comments. There were a lot of people talking smack about this game and now that their comeuppance has arrived they want to deflect by criticizing the 360. This isn't about what the PS3 is or isn't capable of. This is about people making crap up about this game and how it was going to be so technically superior when they didn't know what they were talking about.

Focus on the idiots who expected and bragged about something they were never really promised, not the PS3 hardware or the competition. Ultimately that's who was wrong.

[damnightmare]

Shadow Man
Jason 360
Bungie
MetalGearRising
jack who
horndog

Oh man it's a regular party in here, all the 360 fanboy elites playing their favorite game called Trolling. Here I thought only PS3 fans were around.

They don't like it when it's done in Xbox only articles, but then hypocritically jump into PS3 articles and rape my mind with their useless crap lol

I wonder when people like MGR and Bungie actually get the time to leave their hubble of a computer and actually play their Xbox 360's though what with all their constant posting here. Hmmmm

[Nac]

To add fire to the flame? Afterall, not one fanboy group is greater than the other(im not going to label an individual as a fanboy of either system). Im just really disappointed that this generation, it seems to be all about graphics or casual play(Wii).

[Xino Gramoso]

no full hd to God of War III..... looool were is that power of ps3?

[Somnipotent]

hmmm, show me something on xbox that's 1080p native with 60fps.... or anything for that matter that looks as good as killzone 2, metal gear solid 4, ratchet and clank, or the uncharted series.... yeah, i thought so.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Most of my favorite games this gen output at 720....when optimum conditions are achieved.
Still my fave games.
1080 is preferred but ultimately not required.
The proof is in the gameplay.Hd resolution exceeding 720 is nice but not a pre-requisite for a great game.
If this is GOW3's major 'failing'.......then let it 'fail'.

Hitting rock bottom,one should always continue to dig.It isn't ideal but what truly is?

[aaronisbla]

perhaps its just me, but there have been other games that look good and it wasnt in 1080p hd.

Since when was it considered a failure that a game cant reach 1080p at 60fps? Still doesn't take away that the game looks extremely good.

I'm thinking the frame dips will come in when scaling titans and the camera pans out.

[DJ]

We got this info early last year.

[jackdoe]

Since when was this news as this was indeed confirmed last year at E3. Sigh. Oh well, more ammunition for fanboy wars.

[Darkspade]

When is Gaming going to be Real Hi-Def.. don't get me wrong these games do look great but 1080p would be a Huge Diffrence. you can see that the 2 major Companies in hi-def gaming don't care much.. Xbox and PS3 both come with composite cables with there machines.. What a joke, I think it's time gaming uses 1080p as a Standard not upconvert(xbox 360) and PS3 the bluray machine.. They want to move gaming to 3D and it's not even full HD... Slow down. One Step at a Time

[Truth]

Not really too bummed, just sad it wont take full advantage of my 240hz 1080p TV. Oh well... it still looks fantabulous and that's all that matters to me. God of War is GoW so I'll just be happy to play the epic third and final(?) in the Kratos series.

[stonecold1]

article ps3 fans dont go into 360 articles this game is only exclusive to ps3 but not other machine of capable of doing 360 fans ask m$ to bring more games to your machine instead of taking games from sony we looked at what happend with final fantasy 13 and tekken 6 the 360 holding ps3 games back no town no npc not much freedom to explore because the 360 was not capable of handling the game if the 360 fans think there machine capable of what ps3 doing then your going to have to try to bring a game to the table to reach uncharted 1 then we talk until now ps3 is the only hd gaming console on the market 360 does not have hdmi 1080p true hd does not support 3d does not have 7.1 surround sound cant surf the web like ps3 you pay $50 for live and still cant surf the web plus $20 or $30 for battries and still running standred dvd8 and swapping dvds over since 96 i know alot of these disagrees from the xfans but its time to move on uncharted 1,2, little big planet heavy rain cant be dont on 360 dvd just not capable of handling thegame heavy rain was coming to pc once stage exclusive to ps3 check wiki ps3 is way more powerful than 360 thats it last gen i would agree with you with xbox 1 to ps2 but this gen its ps3 not 360 because it was out the gate earlier than ps3 and was rushed to the market

[Socrates]

Uncharted 1 has already been surpassed on the 360.

As for God of War 3, I won't judge it until I actually get to play it and compare it to other games myself.

[Darkspade]

have you looked at the back of a xbox 360 they all come with HDMI now. also it boosts every game to 1080p(not true HD, Upscale)
the Xbox 360 Also supports 3D gaming Avatar the game was a 3d Game...
PS3 will need a firmware update to support 3D once main stream...

And Just because it's God of War doesn't ive them the right to slack off
Look at the Madden Series...

[Somnipotent]

uncharted 1 surpassed by what? do expand on that.

[PS360PCROCKS]

I don't care if it was 480i, It's frickin GOD OF WAR!!

[A LIVING LEGEND]

To argue...rather debate.
All of us experts and yet not a one of us with any idea...as to why we suddenly are so amazed and let down by 'news' now 6 months old.
No one ever promised true 1080p at 60fps but feign disappointment if you must.In fact, no one cared until very recently.The same 'concerns' could be levelled at almost any game but this isn't 'any' game.....
'Let us forget this now so we may remember it later' Logic,however redundant is plentiful now.
Don't buy it,don't talk about it,don't care....yet enough to comment.I think weakness brings out the scavengers,the hyena 's.......prove me wrong.

[Truth]

Careful there buddy, that kind of language and hyperbole will confuse some people.

[acere]

YOU WILL NEED A PS3 TO PLAY THIS 1

[jalen247]

Why are people bugging when the 3 other games(Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, and Heavy Rain) that are the best looking console games are 720p.

If anything the fact that GOW III has Uncharted 2 levels of detail with stages on Titan NPCs and will run anywhere from 30FPS to 60FPS while Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, and Heavy Rain are 30FPS says a lot of how technologically advanced GOW III is compared to the other 3 best looking console games.

All things considered, GOW III is the most technically advanced PS3 game.

FYI: It wasn't Jaffe that said GOW III would run at 1080p/60FPS it was Corey Balrog, the Director of GOW II.

I never had a problem with variable frame rate in GOW I and GOW II, so I don't think I will have a problem with variable frame rate in GOW III. No one complained about it back then so why are people complaining now?

And for those mentioning Dante's Inferno's 60FPS or Bayonetta. Know this: Bayonetta frame rate is not locked at 60 FPS so no need to discuss Bayonetta. DI looks like a PS2 game and that is why they were able to look the frame rate at 60 FPS.

I for one prefer GOW III graphics with a variable frame rate than Dante's Inferno's graphics locked at 60 FPS.

People also have to keep in mind that this is Sony Santa Monica's first PS3 game. And to be honest a lot of developers first PS3 games were trash compared to what Sony Santa Monica is delivering with GOW III.

Look at the jump from GOW I to GOW II in visuals. I expect GOW III to only be the tip of the iceberg of what Sony Santa Monica can create on the PS3.

[Darkspade]

It's not that people are bugging, Yes these Games look amazing (maybe not Killzone 2) but 720p is 2 year ago HD, TV service is moving to 1080p before Gaming?? this should never happen. It's almost like the gaming industry has said 1080p not a big deal... also just knowing how good these games look at 720p, Just Imagine them in 1080p

[Sikct9a]

The demo alone looks better than most games out there. I can't wait!

[The_Nameless_One]

All the previous God of War titles ran at variable frame rates (minus the Collection) and I dare everyone here to find a single spot where you can actually tell where the dip was. I am still amazed that some people complain about this whole 720p Vs. 1080p even though they will never tell the difference unless they over analyze the picture under a microscope.

[Allowen]

It is sad really that all those super AAA exclusive games don't really do 1080p : (

Better textures in cost of resolution ... Idon't know what to think but I feel sad for those that spent so much money buying a full HD tv when it is not needed, neither for PS3;s games or blu ray disc movies since 99% of then runs at 720p.

I got a PS3 60g and indead I insist I am disappointed, the way things are going I will not be surprised if in the end they reveal that GT5 will also end running at 720p like GoW3.

[PirateThom]

Blu-ray movies tend to run at 1080p.

[ATi_Elite]

@ Allowen

Wanted to clear something up for you buddy. A Blu-ray disc always outputs 1080p which is 1920 x 1080P Full HD

now your TV may be able to only display 720p which is 1280 x 720p HD
but when you put a Blu-ray movie in a PS3 the PS3's output is 1080p Full HD. The PS3 can't force your TV to output what it isn't designed for.

Sorry but gaming wise NO console can output Full HD at 30 fps with high levels of quality. You should be very happy that the frame rate won't drop below 30 FPs if you knew anything about gaming.

But don't give up on the PS3 I have a feeling near Christmas or 2011 a PS3 Exclusive will have very high quality and run at 1920 X 1080p
once developers become more technical with the Cell.

All this arguing, do you people ever play the games you argue over?

[ReBurn]

Wow, I don't have a single Blu-ray that runs below 1080p. I don't know where you get yours.

And really, 720p was the HD sweet spot when PS3 released since the majority of HD sets were 480p/720p/1080i. 1080p wasn't even standard then and Blu-ray was just really getting its feet wet. So feeling disappointed because most games render at 1080p is curious. I don't remember any promise that 100% of PS3 content would be 1080p.

And what good is higher resolution with low-res textures. That looks so much worse than the other way around.

[ATi_Elite]

GOW3 running at 720p!

Did you really expect it to run Natively at 1080p 60 fps?
Sorry it's only a PS3 not a PC!

Looks good but consoles are limited!

[ATi_Elite]

Sorry.....
but no game with this much action and detail will run at Native 1080p 30 - 60 fps on any console. Consoles just lack the horsepower to do this. GOW3 looks good so far for the hardware it's on, so just enjoy it.

you want Native 1080p 30 to 60 fps buy a PC!

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

B B But the power of the cell???? :/

[aaronisbla]

B,B,But that sh!t is gettin old

[hiyaku]

Oh noes, GOWIII will flop now. :(
It's not at 1080! Whatever shall we do?!

[PS3and4_HAS_GAMES]

and why are we even having a debate with bots about graphics..their best looking game is like 2 years old and thats queers of war..

when you get a game that looks better than uncharted 1 than you can debate other than that.... please sit this one out bots

[larrym]

Lol, how the tables have turned. Weren't there a bunch of you guys talking sh!t about certain Xbox 360 games not running in 1080p?? But now the almighty God of War 3 is going to be running at a lower resolution than 1080p, and now it's ok? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.....

[mp1289]

I don't know about you guys, but when i watch a movie in 720p vs 1080p i can clearly tell the difference...but when i played a game like killzone 2 and uncharted 2 upconverted to 1080p...it looked 1080p to me...so i don't expect to see a single pixel on this game from a reasonable distance as i do with blu ray movies. 720p upconveted games look 1080p. Hasn't anyone noticed this?

[ChickeyCantor]

Yay for resolution war=D
Serves you right fanboys.

[bluesam20]

Seriously how long can you morons keep this going? 1080i or 1080p refers to the horizontal lines across your display, however they ARE COUNTED "TOP TO BOTTOM" (VERTICALLY)! The same with first number in the ratio 1920, they are "vertical" lines counted from "left" to the "right" side of the screen. So technically they are still vertical (1920) X horizontal (1080) lines, but they are counted left to right (horizontally) X top to bottom (vertically) respectively. As for the p or i that is progressive or interlaced, 1080 does not always indicate 1080p. In my experience the "true" HD 1080 is usually followed by the "p" to indicate a progressive or true hi-def image. And lastly to the best of my knowledge a 1080 picture can only be displayed in a "widescreen" format, 16:9 and the like. Oh and before I forget upconverting, if you didn't know is simply a method to "stretch" an image to fit a certain screen size. A 720p upscaled to 1080p is still a 720p image, it is just stretched to fit the 1080p space! The moral of this story........ aww hell just quit pitching a fit, GROW UP!!!!!!!

[ATi_Elite]

all this confusion about whats Hd and whats not Hd. So let me clear it up for you

Gaming on a console NOT Full HD (maybe not even 720p)

Gaming on a PC and your TV/monitor is 1920 X 1080p you already know (Full HD)

Happy gaming

[ReBurn]

So if I have a game running 1920x1080p on my PS3 then you're saying that it isn't HD? Please clarify.

[gameman]

i don't know how they have the guts to do it really after the total lose of the cr@pbox3fixme in 2009 none of their games won the GOTY and all they have is multi games to brag about lool too bad bots you say that ps3 can't do 1080p native @ 60fps??

well GT5 and wipeout HD says hi

and how many 1080p 60fps the cr@pbox3fixme have??? none ohhh flopza 3 ...oh wait only 720p with only 8 cars (gt 1080p native @ 60fps with 16 cars try to spin that bots)

when you want to trash talk a system bots first see your system if it can come close to it ( witch in our case it didn't)

thy silly bot start switching with those 100 dvd's for each game you will get this year XD

[xg-ei8ht]

Actually your quite wrong.

GO watch a DVD on a Bigscreen without upscale. It no longer looks like a DVD, it looks like a poor xvid.

On the PS3, you can turn off or on.

There is a big difference.

So saying upscaling does nothing isn't quite true.

As for 720p vs 1080p, it's not that important.

What's more important is AA.AF and a steady FPS.

Thing is, Pc Gamers will always go on about rez, time and time again, why>? You might be wondering.

Well, New graphic cards bring new rez,aa.
New monitors.

I remember when 1280x1024 was the most amazing rez since sliced bread, oops then it was 1440x900, 1680x1050, because they are native rez of monitors. and the newer the higher.

My Monitors native rez is 1440x900 - 2ms Samsung.

Trouble is, if the game does not run well enough in that rez or i have problems with rez, i go lower, games look crap on LCD at less then native rez. Because they do not work the same way as our trusted CRT'S.

on the game side.

GOD3 looks sweet, will run sweet and will be very enjoyable.

Peace.

[ReBurn]

Can you even get a CRT any more?

[silvacrest]

one word

ebay

[Zaiyan]

Hmmm, im sure Jaffe said it would be Native 1080p with 30 - 60fps.

Ah well - i'm sure they sacrificed 1080p so they could put more amazing things on screen!

BRING IT ON TRILOGY EDITION!

[xg-ei8ht]

I've goto add this for 360 fans.

I've played all your major games, i have a 360 now.

From Gears1&2 to Mass effect and forza3.

I'd say the closet anything gets to uncharted 1 is gears 2.

But alot of gears 2 looks poor, drving along shooting reavers and ice, looks very poor and not to mention the 2d trees, and fps were not 30fps locked at times.

The best part of gears 2 is under the ground, with just wall textures, some good, some not so. And water all around.

But graphically for a flagship title, it pales in comparison with all PS3 exclusives.

I don't even hate the 360, still has some good games and live is good.

But graphically don't even go there.

One more thing while i'm at it.

You'll have noticed that PS3 games are looking better and better.

Gears 2 on PS3 would have been 60fps solid.

[hoops]

Gears 2 would not have been 60fps solid on the PS3. Keep wishing.

[silvacrest]

i agree with hoops

its probably got alot more to do with the engine and developer then what console its on when it comes to frame rate

[yogaflame]

Okay once and for all does ps3 cannot really do a Full 1080p in 60 fps for a game that has great graphics and a lot of effects. Technically it cannot be done by ps3?

[Meryl]

it already has been done, look at early games like Wipeout, and you will see it did 1080p and 60fps, without even breaking a sweat, now that games are getting more advanced graphically, and are more action packed they are starting to have to sacrifice 1080p for better graphics and frame rate, I know which one I prefer...
All these fanboy's that come in here bashing the PS3 for this are mostly bots, and it's not like the X360 has many games that are even capable of 1080p either, heck most of them can only do 720p and are locked at 30fps, so yes the PS3 is just fine thank you very much

[Foxgod]

Sure there arent many 1080P games on the 360, but its the ps3 fans that always downplay the 360 for having its games in 720P.
Now that it turns out that the ps3 cant do 1080P either, its all of a sudden not a big deal anymore.

Face it, ps3 cant do 1080P, and ps3 games ported to the 360 always run perfect, but the other way around they dont.

The reason why is because the ps3 got a weak videocard that is completely owned by the vid card inside the 360.

[silvacrest]

throughout this gen most games have been 720p or even sub HD these "most ps3 fanboys" dont exists really, do they?

[hoops]

Wipeout does not have the level of interaction OR graphic fideility as Uncharted, Killzone 2, MGS4, Gears of War2, Alan Wake, Mass Effect etc.
You actually think Wipeout uses advanced 128-bit floating point HDR? Or effects used in games like Killzone or Uncharted or any of those games i mentioned above? Super-sample anti-aliasing modes? Gamma correction AA? Advanced bump mapping etc? LOL
Wipeout uses lots of PARTICLE effects that are less GPU/CPU intensive then HDR, Pixel/vertex shader effects.
These consoles cannot render said games above at 1080p@60fps. Wipeout is not that GPU/CPU graphic intensive. It uses particle effects up the wazoo for visual display. Its no where CLOSE to the graphcial compexity of the games i mentioned

[Tesselation 360]

Its amusing to watch your empire crumble. Spit up in the air and it will fall back in your face and thats what happening to droids on this fony website.

Look at all that damage control: The famous lines now are:
Xbox360 Sub HD lol yee right 99% of games look better on 360 fact get over it.
Xbox360 Natal will flop lol yee right flop or not it will still do 100 times better then dildo toy because we support our 360 not spend all day commenting on the other platform unless of course you are paid to do so which im sure there is many. It well know for asian countries to do so like with mobile phones. Sad World.
Xbox exclusive (famous droid answer but ill get it on pc lol) Switch on pc and load microsoft windows up and then play it on pc. See that loading screen it says MICROSOFT yee thats right MICROSOFT. BTW Mass Effect 2 10/10 from indipendant reviewer.

PS3 where is heavy rain 9 out of 10 from an official source lol bet the reviewer got fired today. Tell him to jump in and play some real games. Flop confirmed AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN surley it hurts now with all the flops ps3 has. Dont trow them away tough hang them with your car mirrors they will look cool with the blu shiny reflections.

[Rocco Siffredi]

WHY DO THE DROIDS MENTION LIKE ALWAYS THE XBOX360 NOW??

SEARCHING FOR MORE EXCUSES??

First it was 1080p and 60 FPS...

Then the droids played the DEMO of god of war 3 which ran at 720p and 25-30 FPS and TEHY SAID, that it was an alpha built from the E3, HAHAHAHA.

Looks like you will get this 720p and 25-30 FPS in the FINAL version.

DROIS GOT OWNED.

Next game will be GT5, mark my words.

[Meryl]

you obviously know nothing GOW III ran at a smooth framerate of 60-30fps even on the E3 demo, and now they have added lots of poilsh and the graphics look truly astonishing, and it still runs at a smooth framerate of 60-30fps, when it does drop it is only because there are lost of enemies on screen and it happens so fast you don't even notice the drop, so why troll, jealous much?

[Raider69]

So much fuzz about bayonetta framerate and now this!30fps to 60fps is good,but is Gow3 goes deeper than that like the analysis of the demo made by digital foundry that states a lower 24fps,them torn frames will get notice and thats a bad thing.For me at least because im very susceptible to low framerates!

[Lehman Brothers]

lol @ Sony marketing!

[stonecold1]

came out of there caves xflop is so last gen limited to dvd8 storage god of war 3 says hi i might as well put this in gt5 says hi

[Bonyi]

Only stupid fanboys and idiot magazines like the french PS3M magazine stated 1080p.

What the game director mentioned on an E3 interview, that they were going to support 1080p soon. At that time it already mentioned to me, that it would be only up scaled. But who cares..

I never thought that a game with so much intensity will make it in 1080p..

The variable frame rate was already confirmed by lead game programmer back in 2009 February, and repeated several times in articles and interviews..

Have a life idiots..

[bjornbear]

its true

even at E3 they stated it would be LOCKED at 30 fps and when possible go to 60 fps.

big deal, even if you tried, your eye reacts at 25 fps so it won't detract from the experience

people b!tching well, don't play the game, see what I care xD

[Denethor_II]

About the uncompressed audio, how fu#king great was the sound on UN2 KILLZONE!!!!!!!!

[Jigga69]

Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2. Both PS3 exclusives.

There is no games as good on 360. Fact. GOWIII we be the same story. And 360 fanboys keeps talking ? Really ? Are you aware that there 360 doesn't have any 1080p native game unless it's Vitua Tennis.

[ps3hasonlyflopgames]

lol.. only gears runs in 1080p.. fact.

[bjornbear]

so much over nothing =P

one thing is being a grafix wh0re but now a fps wh0re? =P come on

i don't give a damn, as long as its playable and not a broken experience and looks even HALF as amazing as it does, it will still easily be one of best games this year! =D

[gameman]

good morning my dear what did you have today other than smoking cracks

only gears runs in 1080p

hahaha

what joke you bots are giving us how old are you 8? no no i think 7 coz an 8 year old boy knows that gears runs in sub-hd

[bjornbear]

--

[poeo]

who the hell actually expects detailed, amazing looking games with huge scale to be in 1080p? thats just not doable this gen. sorry.

not even the stunning Wipeout HD can handle true 1080p at all times, it uses a variable resolution dropping below 1080p when the action gets intense (they've talked about the technique themselves and you can find articles).

good thing is i have a 720p tv, so i PREFER devs to not waste processing power for attempting 1080p. IMO it's better to have more content detail and more stuff happening on screen.

[Convas]

Wow, the double standards present in this section are almost blinding. I can't believe some of the people in here are saying that 720p is OK! when months earlier, any game that came out with that resolution was bashed to pieces. Can you be anymore hypocritical?

This is problem with this Goddamn site. Graphics n Resolutions. Ya'll have become total aesthetic whores. For most of you gameplay doesn't even matter anymore, as long as the game sparkles like a rare jewel. You're not gamers, you're fine art connoisseurs. I'm really quite tired of this biased BS. God of War 3 runs at 720p. It's OK! Halo REACH runs at 720p. OMG it'll suck hard. Whores.

[bjornbear]

its stupid ti judge a game by signal output =/

i don't care if GOWIII is at 720 or 1080, so as long as its playable and it looks good =D

[yogaflame]

so Is it really impossible to have a game on ps3 running on full 1080p and 60 fps ? Is ps3 really not capable of that? i know GOW3 looks great but i still expect 1080p.

[hoops]

No game on the PS3 or Xbox360 or Wii or any console this generation for that matter can run games at 1080p@60fps with high graphic fidelity.
If this were the case then Uncharted1,2 and Killzone2, and Gears1,2 and MGS4 and Lost Planet and Farcry 2 and all the rest would be running 1080p@60 fps. These consoles simply do not have the power, memory, bandwidth do do this at playable frame rates. You want 1080p gaming at 60fps with the minimum 4XAA...that's PC gaming folks...done on a mid range $130 GPU card. The cold hard facts regardless what some sites say

[DigitalAnalog]

Then we now have GOW on 720p with a variable frame rate from 60FPS.

Not to mention the new screenshots surpassed Uncharted 2 in my opinion. This spells epicness in whole new levels!

-End statement

[dragonelite]

Lol all the graphics hyping and now this gotta hurt for the trolls.
And let the gamers just enjoy this game with the visuals and gameplay i dont give a rats ass about 1080p.

[boc]

It upscales to 1080P. I can live with that. At any rate I know it'll look good on my 50" Samsung. I don't know why it's causing such an uproar..

[mfwahwah]

I don't care at all whether it's 720p or 1080p.

[hoops]

NO CONSOLE game this generation on ANY system will run games native 1080p with high resolution textures and advanced graphics running at 60FPS let alone 30fps+. These consoles do not have the memory or GPU/CPU POWER TO DO IT LET ALONE THE BANDWIDTH.
All the games that are 1080p native have mostly static backgrounds and average graphics. You will not see a game like Gears of War. Metal Gear solid, Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell, Mass Effect, Bioshock, or any other game like that running at 60fps and native 1080p on consoles. Wishful thinking this generation.

[phalanx_mark]

1. Those locked to 60hz (only a few beat em ups etc)
2. Those targeted at 60fps (most games fall here)
3. Those set to 60hz but loaded with so much graphical load they dont go anywhere near 60fps most of the time.

GOW3 falls into the latter category. Technically its a 60 HERTZ game that runs at sub 60 FPS.

[DelbertGrady]

"We believe 720p is the sweet-spot for high definition," Shane Kim, 2006.

Looks like he was right.

[JJFNIGHTS80]

My HDTV doesn't even run at 1080p only goes up to 720p so it's perfect for me too.

[edhe]

So much for yte another Sony claim then, but this is the better way forward no doubt.

[Tzuno]

Hahahaaaaaaaaa!!! Take that Sony fanboys. If god of war was on 360 i am sure that it looked better on it. Mwuahahahahhh and now shot your mouth.

[Ven1000]

let us first wait till a 360 game matches the likes of Uncharted 1, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2, Uncharted 2....... Until then, let's not talk about anything "looking better if it were on 360"...

[artsaber]

I am glad for the tested best combination between resolution, frames per sec, with an enhanced environment and gameplay versus having 1080p 60fps with screen tearing, broken gameplay, freezing, stuttering, etc., etc.

I trust that the developers made the best choices suited for the hardware & software, with the LEAST compromises in quality.

Day 1 purchase, no way to spin it, I've seen the epic screens already.

[KILLERAPP]

Wow kratos looks freaking scary in that pic... Correct me if am wrong but doesn't GT 5 run 1080P/60P?

[kraze07]

Disappointing, but still a day one purchase for me.

[silvacrest]

why are people making such a fuss over this, you do realize most games today run at 720p and alot cant even do that

[hoops]

NO console games today can run 720p@60fps with high level graphics and BACKGROUNDS (Racing games do not count as they have static backgrounds and its easier to do) anyays...so why was anyone thinking God3 was going to really run at 1080p@60fps when most consoles can barely run at 720p@30fps constant?
Too many guillable people

[mcnablejr]

look like a game that is ''only possible on ps3'' its a standard hack and slash game with little player input, im all for that but i wouldnt call it system selling, thats why im renting it, my 40 pounds isnt paying for 2-3 days of playing it.

[Dellis]

All of the geeky talk is funny, I bet you thousands worldwide

will be playing this on 480p in a regular TV...

not me but I seen people on YT who can't afford HDTV and just play

on what they have.

[maxcer]

this is too funny, all you ps3 fanboys got what you deserved for bashing sub 1080p games in the past. and for those that say 720p is good because their TV is only 720p, maybe you should have held off on a ps3 until you could afford a real TV.

will this stop me from picking up the game? hell no, why should it? but i do remember past articles here on n4g about games that went multiplat and as soon as that happened fanboys started to boycott the game, this is no different, will you boycott now because its sub1080p? i wouldn't be surprised if some did...

"bjornbear-
big deal, even if you tried, your eye reacts at 25 fps so it won't detract from the experience"

you couldn't be more wrong about this, something tells me you havn't seen the difference between 30 and 60 frames per second.

[mfwahwah]

"and for those that say 720p is good because their TV is only 720p, maybe you should have held off on a ps3 until you could afford a real TV."

Who the **** are you to tell me what to spend my money on like that?

Stfu with that pretentious bull****

[Renewman]

360 fanboys have a personal agenda against this game. So GOWIII isn't 1080p. Whoop dee doo! Doesn't detract from the fact that the game is visually stunning and getting more attention recently from the media then any other game coming out this year. Try to spin THAT one.

[SDF Repellent]

that is credibility there

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

LOL

[duskywolf50]

I was believe by said that PS3 able to play game in 1080P but it's wasn't true until now I see many comments about GOW3 run on 720P. Sony did told us that it able to play on 1080P but I doubt it due of RSX (graphic integrated) seem cannot handle heavy graphic with sprites (movement character) even with high resolution textures. I believe that PS3 is just a experiment console so they can make a decision on next generation console know as PS4. Since they keep virtual social network called HOME still in beta for long time. What's heck going on with Sony. Are we their lab rat and spend a lot of money on first PS3 Console before Slim came out. There are still limit efforts on this system. So I am thinking about building my HTPC (Home Theater Personal Computer) It's look like a DVD player but not, it able to do anything beyond PS3 can do even I can use DVR or watch TV plus play many different emulator. PC games cheaper than console games. Look at Wii and it is fun machine still enjoy with full joy. No offense just express my feeling because I was loyal to Playstation until they pull me in limit due of I am deaf which I cannot watch movie online. I tried explain to them and they said "nothing I can do" so you know my felling. Thanks for reading.

[Wii360BeatsPS3]

Didn't think it would, but once again Wii shows it's true power. No wonder it's in first place this gen. It's a power house of a console.

[SDF Repellent]

I PS3 version of FF13 was gimped of 1080p 120fps because of the X360 version...

LOL

[bjornbear]

just gimped of a fully length game that takes advantage of storage space =)

fix'd ;)

[SDF Repellent]

20fps when Kratos fight 1 enemy onscreen

15fps when Kratos fight 2-3 enemies on screen

10fps when Kratos execute QTE on bosses

60fps when Kratos does nothing.

LMFAO

[peeps]

whats amusing is looking at ppl argue about what games run at what res lol

all i know is if a game looks good a game looks good, if a game looks bad a game looks bad.

i noticed a comment about dantes inferno running at 720p but keeping a solid 60fps. that may be but then dantes inferno isn't as good looking as gow3 so can obv afford to have higher performance over the graphics.

[xg-ei8ht]

FF13 comes nowhere near Gow3 graphically.

You know it's true.

[cliffbo]

@dchalfont

listen you D**K it`s 1080p vertically not 1920 that is horizontol!

and before moaning about ps3 games not being 1080p how about 360 games
they are ALL UPSCALED! NOT NATIVE 1080p (pariity). lol

[gameman]

A bot wish I know I know it does hurts when you have only multi games to play

[eddispider]

Buhuuu , i thought it would run silky smooth 1080P 60 Fps. Just have to wait for ps 4...

[offwhiteazn]

uncharted 2 ran 720p native, but could be upscaled to be 1080p. shut up.

[Lehman Brothers]

The droids like to talk about TRUE HD and about doing EVERYTHING like they always say, lol.

But when they have no excuses left, they mention like always in every topic UNCHARTED2.. yes.. ONE game out of 600 available which shows some better graphics on the PS3.

ONE game?? Was this the dream of SIR KEN?? lol
I mean, you cnat even take KZ2.. cause RAGE and Brink already look better from what we have seen in the trailers. (i know your next excuse is that the trailers are from the PC version, LOL)

[Lehman Brothers]

Anyways, i have no problem if you mention uncharted2 in EVERY FUKEN topic, lol.. but pls, dont clal God of War 3 an graphics masterpeace, cause it cant even reach Uncharted1 level.

Sry, but winner in terms of graphics this gen is already ME2 and Alan Wake. I dont mention Heavy Rain, cause there is nothing going on in that game.

[Firebird360]

I can't believe people are still saying this. You CAN see the difference between 720p and 1080p on any HDTV. Screen size has nothing to do with being able to tell the difference it's all about your viewing distance from the tv. For example if you sit too far away from a 32 inch screen then yes you won't see the difference but get the viewing distance spot on and it's like night and day. I have a 32 inch screen and i can tell the difference between the resolutions with ease. All this 50 inch and above is just about people trying to show off about how big there screen is. There is no truth in it at all. It's about time someone knows what they r talking about.

[The real killer]

Damn, what allot of dumb bots here.

GOW 3 run 1080p, we will never know why Sony pull back to 720p.
Those freaking mindless bots don't even know that the Engine maybe can't handle at 1080p at the moment, think it's the first game and the first generation engine from GOW 3.

It's all about the engine of the game, look at the engine ND 1.0 and 2.0 and tell me the different, wait until ND 3.0 engine will come.
Maybe they concentrated more to the visual/graphics/lighting and Physics rather than what for resolution will run and the framerate.

Look at GT5, this game engine is build for 1080p 60 FPS and also focused on the Physics and lighting of he game, the hardware (PS3) can handle 1080p with great graphics at 60 FPS.

So, this is game engine related and not hardware related stupid bots with no live, go take your crappy 360 and put it in your arse.

[SUPREME RULER]

Hi, I am an Xbox 360.

The Xbox 360 is the kid who plays games for one reason, sick pwnage. As awesome as that may sound, it can be pretty ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve spent hours upon hours playing FPS over Xbox Live and enjoyed every minute of it. Well, almost every minute. The Xbox 360 gamer is the person who will kick your ass in Halo 3, mainly because he has not been outside in 3 weeks, and he will remind you every time he gets a frag. Every time. Xbox 360 will talk crap on top of crap and just when you thought it was over, he calls you a racial slur, recommends your sexual preference, and may have just banged your mom.

Hi, I am a PS3

The PS3 owner is the gamer who loves technological masterpiece that is itself. While they will never, ever, admit that the gaming library is inferior to the Xbox 360, even though that is sort of apparent these days. They will remind that they have Bluray and you endorsed the Hindenburg that was HD-DVD. PS3 has built-in wireless and Bluetooth and Xbox 360 makes you pay an extra hundred bucks. PS3 has a built-in HDD and Xbox 360 has an HDD that costs three times as much as it should. PS3 is the console of the future while Xbox 360 is the console of right now.

Now, both these statements are generalizations rooted in some truth, but mostly hyperbole and exaggeration. The truth is, both consoles are great, but far from perfect. Nevertheless, if there was no PS3, the Xbox 360 would not be what it is today and vice versa.

[SUPREME RULER]

But unlike you I have a life a job and a family to support, I don't sit on N4G 24/7 trolling to feel like I'm important. I only come here to get the latest news on new releases I didn't even know about the 60fps/1080p claim for GOW3 like it even matters to me. I've played uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 and they both looked better than anything on consoles to this day so you can continue your childish ways I hope you feel like you accomplished something in life because you got a really sad one.

[bigjclassic]

Just connect your HDMI plug into your PS3/HDTV. Notice the text??
The thing is the majority of HD-era games do not run at 720p@60fps, let alone 1080p@60fps.

Not just yet. Wipeout HD, Ridge Racer and GT5 will but they are way less complicated then KZ2 (which is king imo.)

You know what would be awesome though, if all WiiHD games ran at 1080p@60fps?? Man, fanboys will cry tears.

[TehCell]

This is dissapointing. I guess my PS3 is of no use, since Sony lied when they said it was powerful.

[BillGatesSucks]

I was never really expecting this game to run at 1080p, the scale is simply too large. I'd rather have it run smoothly at 720p with nice effects and textures etc. rather than chug along at 1080p. I'm sure it will still be stunning.

As for the resolution argument going on; 1080 is a vertical count of horizontal lines of pixels - so, you count the number of pixels in a straight line from the top of your screen to the bottom and if you have 1080, you have an HD television set. The P stands for Progressive, as in progressive scan, the type of scanning in which those lines of resolution are projected/produced on the screen. There are 2 types of scanning; interlaced (represented by "I") being the second type. Progressive means the entire frame is being projected/produced on the screen in one pass, line by line. Interlaced means the frame is broken into two fields and is produced in 2 passes, first odd numbered lines, then even.