Microsoft denies black screen of death

Microsoft claims that reports that its recently security updates create a "black screen of death" have been greatly exaggerated.

British software security firm Prevx claimed last week that changes to Microsoft's operating system's registry were the most likely cause of the error. Initially both believed it was a recent patch issued by Microsoft. Now it seems that this was not the cause.

The problem was widely reported after a small number of users were presented with a completely black screen after logging on. A spokesman for Microsoft said that reports claimed that its November security updates made changes to permissions in the registry that are resulting in system issues for some customers.

[Pebz]

"Microsoft claims that reports that ... have been greatly exaggerated."

Uh-oh, this is not going to end well.

[Pennywise]

Isn't that what they always say when they screw up?

[TheTeam06]

yup

[erathaol]

Not always. Sometimes they try to dirty up the opponent to make themselves look cleaner.

:)

[GWAVE]

"But Windows 7 is SOOOO much better than Vista"

"OMG you haters! Windows 7 is nothing like Vista! Quit being a fanboy!"

"Windows 7 is amazing. Don't believe the liars and haters. It's great!"

"Windows 7 is worth it. Dump Vista and get Windows 7!"

All these excuses keep ringing in my head, even though all along I knew better and knew that Windows 7 would be unreliable.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

i got the BSOD when i did a windows update

[Mr Logic]

OMG! This is such a relief in a way. I love Win 7, but two days it stopped working and won't show anything except for a black screen. I've even tried putting in the install disk, but nothing is working. Any advice?

[Simon_Brezhnev]

@Mr Logic

I even got the BSOD in safe mode. I just reinstalled Windows 7 and didnt let it update to mess up my video drivers.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

"However the updates did not do that and could not have caused the behaviour described in the reports. So far Microsoft is not seeing this as a big issue and Prevx has apologised to Microsoft for the “inconvenience” caused by its original blog posting."

http://www.fudzilla.com/con...

Yeah, most likely your issues are related to malware so stop going to pr0n sites and you will be fine!!!

[gaffyh]

I'm sure MS denied the existence of RROD for years too.

[table]

Never heard of this until now but windows7 is running great for me and it's easily the best operating system i've had the pleasure of using.

[gta_cb]

try re reading the article. As IdleLeeSiuLung has already pointed out it says...

"However the updates did not do that and could not have caused the behaviour described in the reports. So far Microsoft is not seeing this as a big issue and Prevx has apologised to Microsoft for the “inconvenience” caused by its original blog posting."

[jamesrocks3147]

luckly i got windows 7 for free! had it once so far and i shat it!

[sagapo]

and didn't get a black screen so far. 2 screen freezes while playing Dragon Age, so I think the game caused the crashes.

[Roper316]

If it has the MS name on it, you know it is an inferior product riddled with problems. That is why I despise MS as a company and try my hardest not to support them in anyway. I just am thankful they have so few quality exclusives on the 360 because it makes it much easier.

[Foxgod]

Wow wait, so you mean theres something out there that is better then Windows, more accessible then Windows, better supported then Windows?!?

Why isnt everybody using it yet then?
And why is there an Office for the Mac, what do Mac users need MS products for?!!?!

[GWAVE]

@ Foxgod

Your level of delusion is hilarious. I use a Mac, a Windows Vista PC, and a Linux PC, and the least-reliable, least-accessible, and least-compatible out of those three is the Vista PC.

Oh, and OpenOffice is just as good as MS Office (not to mention it's more reliable and more easily customized and upgraded).

You want a reason why "not everyone is using it"?

Advertising and branding. Take a marketing 101 class and be enlightened.

[Godmars290]

Because MS managed to create a monopoly. How else do you have instances where Photoshop and Flash are lead apps and MS copies them. Uses their industry position in attempts to circumvent them.

[Xephon08]

Foxgod

the reason office is on Mac is to sell more units, why limit your self to only windows users when you can do mac as well, there is no linux version because people that use linux use open office which is the standard for linux.

If people are willing to buy it why not make it.

[redDevil87]

I've got XP and its so easy to use. Is 7 that much better? I've used Vista and thought it was kinda sh!t

[TheTeam06]

I got 7 (luckily for $15) and I can tell you it's basically a new taskbar with some small bells and whistles. Nothing really too new. I like it, but that BSOD happens WAY too often. It's really annoying and time-consuming.

[Arnon]

"Nothing really too new. I like it, but that BSOD happens WAY too often. It's really annoying and time-consuming."

Right..

[Oner]

^^^ Yes, Right...

Here's a screen shot of my first BSOD after only 3 hours of use from a FRESH install ~ http://img256.imageshack.us...

[Arnon]

You poor baby. You should go make an OS that's better. Let me guess, you're still using Windows 7, simply because that message would only appear if you were able to RECOVER FROM IT. It obviously did absolutely nothing to your computer. Maybe you should install your drivers correctly next time.

[MONOLITHICIDE]

@Arnon

your just mad cause he just shut you up and all you come up with is your a baby and make your own OS, well he doesnt have to becasue thats not his job, thats microsoft and they failed again just like you. sorry your just an idiot.

[Arnon]

Calling someone an idiot when you cant even read correctly. Hallelujah!

[Oner]

The only b!tching, crying & coplaining I see is coming from you Arnon because you got put in your place with PROOF it happened. Deal with it. You're wrong, plain and simple.

Agree + Bubble @ Monolith ~ Thanx.

[Arnon]

You spelled "complaining" wrong. Just throwing that out there.

Also, you're in a minority. It's barely happened to the people who have owned Windows 7. I know, I sit in a class where the majority of them seem to have purchased it.

But nice try trying to convince us that this is a normal problem. You can try again if you want. Like I said, the BSOD you've probably experienced is your own fault. Install your drivers better next time :x

[Oner]

STFU and read this ~ http://www.n4g.com/tech/New...

I never needed to try again. YOU did once you were proven wrong. So please explain how does it feel to be proven wrong? AGAIN (for a second time now)? Or are you going to try to deflect and refer to your "class friends" as IF they amount to some type of large install base or something? (cool story bro BTW :rollseyes)

Oh and before I forget ~ your little quip of me missing 1 F'ing letter is seriously sad. It's a damned typo. Get over it. Though you probably won't because that's all you really had to come back at me with...a 1 letter typo. Wow. You got me! (:rollseyes again) So let me get this out the way - IF - there are any in this comment, oh well. Not a big deal. But let me take a guess, you'll want a cookie anyway? Right?

Whatever. All that matters is the pure and unequivocal FACT ~ that you were wrong, and you're STILL wrong. Deal with it.

[Arnon]

"The black screen of death, or KSOD, occurs when users attempt to boot their PCs. In cases where the bug occurs, the user is faced with a black or blank screen and is forced to reboot. It has reportedly hit PCs running Windows 7, Vista, and Windows XP."

LOLFAIL. That article pertains to 3 operating systems, not just Windows 7. What does this mean? It means it's MALWARE NOT CAUSED BY MICROSOFT. Also, 50,000 is absolutely nothing when Windows 7 sold 234% more than Windows Vista. I bet you haven't even read the article, have you? Look at you ranting on. Good job at completely owning yourself. That 50,000 is the number of downloads, not confirmed cases hahahaha... you owned yourself.. SOO... BAD.

"There have been more than 50,000 downloads of the free fix tool since we made it available 5 days ago,"

Next time, read the article before you completely make fun of yourself, as I'm sure you're actually intelligent compared to the other morons on here. This proves my point. It's a minority that are experiencing issues.

Here, read this, and actually read the article this time.

http://www.tomshardware.com...

It's called malware.

[Oner]

Right on cue just as I expected. All your deflecting just shows you are trying to cover up the fact you where wrong (as I said already a few times). BSOD (whether blue or black) is STILL happening in Windows platform. No amount of your words is going to change that reality of it happens way too often.

Actually I didn't even bother reading your wall of text because it is not worth the hassle of breaking your post down and specifically showing your "point" wrong (for the third time I think it is now). So go ahead and "think" you "owned" me (or anyone for that matter) but you can't hide the proof in black and white right here for all to see.

[Arnon]

This is why you look stupid... because you don't read anything. Your comment just solidified that.

Also, I never said it doesn't happen. Another mistake on your part due to the lack of will to read anything and actually back yourself up. It seems to be so incredibly difficult for you to read even your own comments so you don't look absolutely retarded when posting a link that only contradicts everything you say.

"Nothing really too new. I like it, but that BSOD happens WAY too often. It's really annoying and time-consuming."

Right.."

Start reading more.

"STFU and read this ~ http://www.n4g.com/tech/New... "

^^^

By far, the biggest fail I've seen in the comment boards. The amount of idiocy that radiates from your comments is giving me a headache rofl.

[Oner]

Again TY for proving my point. You were wrong and your refusal to see it, understand it & believe it is all right here for all to see in black and white no matter how you try and cover it up or deflect.

Your reply of "Right.." was facetious and a sarcastic response about "BSOD" (black, blue or blank)...that combined with your later reply of ~

"You poor baby. You should go make an OS that's better. Let me guess, you're still using Windows 7, simply because that message would only appear if you were able to RECOVER FROM IT. It obviously did absolutely nothing to your computer. Maybe you should install your drivers correctly next time."

confirmed it 100%. Not too mention everything else after-wards just further compounded the fact you were wrong and are still TRYING to back track, cover your @$$ and deflect in anyway possible when the proof is laid out right in front of every ones eyes to validate for themselves.

You are simply pissed & crying because you got called on your BS and can't stop throwing a temper tantrum. No matter what you say or do will change that CLEAR fact in black in white above.

[Arnon]

Is it that difficult for you to grasp?

My "Right" was a response to a commenter posting a comment stating that the BSOD happens all the time within Windows 7, which was proven false, by you, yourself, with a link you apparently didn't read. Of course the BSOD happens. It's an error message that alerts you when the system needs to shut down from an error usually caused by overheating, viruses/malware, or FAULTY DRIVERS. It is not however, the cause of a problem, which your ill-informed mind is regarding it as. You also seem to have never experienced the BSOD again, which further proves my "right", which you took out of context.

There's nothing to dodge or deflect here. You're trying to take something I said out of context, even after I already quoted the man's comment. Another absolute fail on your part.

Pissing and crying... funny. Here's an image I get in my head from your comments. http://i34.tinypic.com/29mv...

It's always so amusing to watch you kids try so hard. It's pretty obvious that anyone who isn't as remotely stupid as yourself would notice the fact that your link completely contradicted what you said, and that my "right" was a response to something that you apparently completely took out of context, which was expected after reading the massive amounts of fail that you seem to like to inflict upon yourself. Then again I don't think anyone could take you seriously with your anti-Microsoft claims.

/pats

Oh! You should also read your error message again. "Blue Screen of Death" is different from "Black screen of Death", which is another thing you forgot to look at when linking me an article that made you look like an asshat. Your issue was a Blue Screen.

You'll get it right one day. Keep trying though! Rofl

I'll quote it for you again, so you can (although you wont, or maybe just cant) read it, and possibly (I highly doubt it) comprehend it.

""Nothing really too new. I like it, but that BSOD happens WAY too often. It's really annoying and time-consuming."

Right.."

One more time? Ok!

"I like it, but that BSOD happens WAY too often."

Now, if you would kindly go fail somewhere else, live I've been saying from the beginning while you've been trying to prove to me that the BSOD happens "WAY too often." with your 1 BSOD, it would be greatly appreciated, and would overall probably grant you more respect since you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

(I don't really expect anyone such as yourself who isn't able to comprehend basic quotations to read this in a logical sense, though.)

[Rhoic]

Whoops sorry.

*like

[Oner]

You talk and talk but it seems there is something wrong with your comprehension..probably immaturity. I may have had a Blue one but that doesn't matter as it was to show IT DOES HAPPEN. Plus, I also stated TWICE Blue, Black and then later Blank (to explain it simply to you but you STILL didn't get it).

So all of your wall of text was for not. Because your point no matter how or what you are trying to say & do, the base fact remains that you are wrong about *B*(Blue, Black or Blank)SOD ~ DOES HAPPEN WAY TOO OFTEN FOR MANY. Your "view" of your "classmates" is not indicative of others and is absolutely laughable (and embarrassing) that even you tried to use it as a descriptor of validity of "everyone" else.

You just won't admit it. You don't WTF you are talking about because you are just trying to cover your @$$ because of the false claims you made right from the start that you got called on. QQ more though...it's funny for all to see in black & white.

[Rhoic]

"You talk and talk but it seems there is something wrong with your comprehension..probably immaturity. I may have had a Blue one but that doesn't matter as it was to show IT DOES HAPPEN. Plus, I also stated TWICE Blue, Black and then later Blank (to explain it simply to you but you STILL didn't get it).

You don't WTF you are talking about"

Rofl.. your entire comment didn't make a single bit of sense... I do know what I'm talking about, since that was pretty much the only thing I could decipher from your latest comment. Apparently you don't, though. It's becoming a lot more obvious.

Like I said, I'm not covering up anything. I know the BSOD happens, and I know that it has been integrated into Windows 7. It's a beneficial notification that alerts people of why the system had to shut down. Something that Mac OS X apparently does not do.

Considering you're trying to contradict me by telling me that my classmates, who use Windows 7 and do not experience the BSOD is not indicative of the so called "rampant" BSOD that happens "WAY too often" by trying to show me a picture of the single (Single means 1, mind you) BSOD that you have encountered... I mean.. do you not even see the massive contradictions that you lay upon yourself?

Do you even listen to what you say anymore? I think we're done here. You're pretty much just arguing about nothing, now.

[Oner]

"Considering you're trying to contradict me by telling me that my classmates, who use Windows 7 and do not experience the BSOD is not indicative of the so called "rampant" BSOD that happens "WAY too often" by trying to show me a picture of the single (Single means 1, mind you) BSOD that you have encountered... I mean.. do you not even see the massive contradictions that you lay upon yourself?"

I can do the same as well but with more truth and validity...Ready? Try to keep up, k? ~

YOU were the one who FIRST laid claim to using your "classmates" as some sort of weak point/proof that somehow Win 7 DOESN'T BSOD. Again the FACT that this is getting attention via the media PROVES it is happening way more than it should (and mind you I never said "rampant" so don't put words in my mouth that can't be proven 'cause it ain't gonna work with me)...and as far as my "1" BSOD screeny goes ~ it was proof to show you it DOES HAPPEN. Period. Nothing else but to prove you wrong. That's it. It did what it needed to do, which is provide confirmation of which you can't say the same.

Proof trumps your "opinion/view" any day.

Whether from a simple pic or the media attention it is getting. So to finish up the REAL contradiction is in yourself by your own explanation right here in black and white (once again for all to see and verify for themselves). NOW I think we are done here (but we both know you won't let it go).

[Rhoic]

"it was proof to show you it DOES HAPPEN."

...and here I thought you would have something informative to say. Guess not. More confirmation that you did not read anything I just said, and no, you most certainly contradicted yourself. There's just no way around that, especially with that link, which I can bring up anytime to prove that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about or even saying for that matter. Your 1 BSOD and false link really doesn't prove anything, except for the fact that you most likely have no idea what you're doing with your operating system.

Now you're trying to argue that I initially never said "right" and instead said that "The BSOD doesn't happen on Windows 7."

My quote that I've been saying for quite a while now:

"Like I said, I'm not covering up anything. I know the BSOD happens, and I know that it has been integrated into Windows 7. It's a beneficial notification that alerts people of why the system had to shut down. Something that Mac OS X apparently does not do."

and I'm sure we're all going to hear the "black and white!! It's all black and white!" response again from you, because you cant seem to accept the fact that you took something out of context. There's no defending that I'm doing. There isn't any need to. Anyone who can read would understand the "right..." from that quote.

http://www.google.com/#hl=e...

The last confirmed occurrence of a bad epidemic of BSOD errors occurred back when Windows 7 was still in beta form. (Windows 7 released on October 22nd, 2009.)

[Oner]

Now where do I start...ahh right here ~

"Your 1 BSOD and false link really doesn't prove anything, except for the fact that you most likely have no idea what you're doing with your operating system."

So you are still continuing to make baseless assumptions that you can't verify (as usual), without proof (as usual) as to my expertise, capabilities and even my hardware as to which you ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO F'ING CLUE ABOUT. But that is to be expected by your previous "claims".

But to further show your contradictions I would like to point out something of which you "claim" ~

"you cant seem to accept the fact that you took something out of context.....Anyone who can read would understand the "right..." from that quote."

If I am the only one who took something "out of context" then why did
not only Monolith agree with me AND at least 4 others disagreed with you? There is no "out of context". You made a sarcastic comment and got called out out on it with proof and a link that SHOWED it DOES happen, only for you to TRY and backtrack to make it seem like you were right somehow. YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG. Deal with it.

And to further prove you wrong with the link you "claim" proves me wrong in some asinine way, here are a few quotes from it ~

"A security firm that's developed a fix for the so-called "black screen of death" affecting Windows PCs said more than 50,000 users have downloaded the utility in just five days—an indication that the problem is widespread."

"The black screen of death, or KSOD, occurs when users attempt to boot their PCs. In cases where the bug occurs, the user is faced with a black or blank screen and is forced to reboot. It has reportedly hit PCs running ******WINDOWS 7******, Vista, and Windows XP."

You just don't get it and won't admit that the PROOF has been given and you are wrong. But keep kicking your legs and stomping your feet...it's really funny. Oh and before I forget since I didn't say it earlier ~ nice multiple accounts (at least 2) that you have there. I wonder if I should report them? As it's a clear violation of the site rules -

"Things to do to have your account banned temporarily or permanently

- Having multiple active accounts"

[Rhoic]

1. They're not going to ban me for using an account in the open zone that I haven't used in forever, and was made due to forgetting my password. The only reason you're caring is because disagrees make baby feel sad. By the way, this account has only been used to talk to you so far, and I never use it to multi-bubble or multi-disagree in the gamerzone or open zone. It will also never be logged in after this comment.

Nice try though. I figured you'd become a sore loser after all of this.

2. "I am the only one who took something "out of context" then why did
not only Monolith agree with me AND at least 4 others disagreed with you? There is no "out of context". You made a sarcastic comment and got called out out on it with proof and a link that SHOWED it DOES happen, only for you to TRY and backtrack to make it seem like you were right somehow. YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG. Deal with it."

I'll give you a hint as to why I've obtained disagrees, and the answer is in #1. I'm sure you most certainly knew what I said over the internet. Idiocy at its finest.

3. "A security firm that's developed a fix for the so-called "black screen of death" affecting Windows PCs said more than 50,000 users have downloaded the utility in just five days—an indication that the problem is widespread."

"The black screen of death, or KSOD, occurs when users attempt to boot their PCs. In cases where the bug occurs, the user is faced with a black or blank screen and is forced to reboot. It has reportedly hit PCs running ******WINDOWS 7******, Vista, and Windows XP."

You should reread the first paragraph of your quote, as it's the main thing that has been contradicting you this entire time. Would you like me to just tell you? Ok! You don't need the KSOD to download the patch. Considering it's an automatic update... well... you get the idea.

4. Baseless assumptions... Do you even know why you obtained the BSOD? Are you even able to decipher what the code on your error means? I highly doubt it, and it's most certainly not baseless assumptions with the idiotic comments you've been making.

Conclusion:

There really isn't anything to be said here, except that you're a total idiot. Oh, by the way, the fix for the KSOD has been released. You're arguing a moot point here, and I honestly cant even confirm what you're trying to convey now. Oh well, nobody really cares what you have to say, since you're probably stuck in this zone.

Lets see... you've said the same thing 6 times in a row now. Can you fail any more than you already have? What's it like, getting as angry as you do over people on the internet? "CAPSLOCKKEY CAPSLOCKKEY!!!" Lets hope you don't throw temper tantrums in real life like you do on the internet.

Next time, when you argue with someone, give them facts. It will help you out in the long run. Oh, and don't repeat the same thing 6 times in a row. I was pretty much laughing the whole time after the 3rd comment you made. People who act like they know what they're talking about with computers and then never back themselves up on their claims make me "lol".

http://isc.sans.org/diary.h...

and the final nail in this coffin:

http://www.networkworld.com...

Now, if you would kindly go fail somewhere else, I'm sure the world would be a much better place.

[Oner]

Unlike you I don't need multiple accounts to make my point and my bubbles show I am well informed and agreed with a lot so that in itself shows a contrast of "your views" and mine. But on to the show ~

YOU are the only one who has back tracked and tried to change what you CLEARLY said. That is something you cannot hide, and I have proven that. No matter how many times you comment and "claim" otherwise. You bring up other points in an attempt to mask you were proven wrong because the plain FACT that BSOD is happening in Win 7. That was the point that the original poster made and that you sarcastically opposed.

YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT. It is all right here. Again, no matter how you try to explain this or that by whatever means. You were wrong. Got called on it, and you just couldn't handle it. So to recap ~

1) You made claims that it doesn't happen a lot, yet there is proof that contradicts this. And you are a NOBODY who has no "weight" of credibility

2) You made assumptions about things you can't possibly know or prove ~ Your "classmates" one was utterly hilarious & the "claiming" you know why I had a BSOD or my technical capabilities.

3) You consistently back tracked and never actually answered anything/everything I am AGAIN posting in numerical order

4) You have contradicted yourself many times of which I showed

5) You have done nothing but insult and cry throughout this whole discussion because of the above

Like I said and will close on since unlike you I use/have only 1 account to make my point(s) ~ You were wrong. And anyone who reads the above will see that for themselves....

And it kills you that you can't change that - LoL!

DONE.

[Arnon]

Who would've thought. People who don't like Microsoft are claiming they're having issues with Windows 7. Please... Windows 7 is by far their best OS. I've had very little issues with it, just as I would with any other OS, and the same goes for all of my friends.

"The problem was widely reported after a small number of users were presented with a completely black screen after logging on."

Guess what?? Mac OSX crashes, Linux crashes (rarely, but it does), THEY ALL CRASH. If you think you can make a better OS that will NEVER have any problems EVER, then go ahead and make one.

Also... GWAVE... really?

"Hurr hurr I knew Windows 7 was bad. You guys should listen to me and use Vista! I know what I'm talking about, even though I've never used Windows 7... but that's ok! We all know that a small number of people actually means a massive number of people!"

Oh wait... that's right. Microsoft's the DEVIL! Lolz...

[Xephon08]

Gotta say i agree with you, we need to give it more time to see how this really turns out if its a major problem or just a launch issue. My wife just got a new laptop with Win 7 and i think its great my self even tho i use Linux, Win 7 has some great features and is quite fast.

People give it a bit more time before jumping on the crusade.

[Godmars290]

How is it any different when people jump to MS's defense regardless of what they've done? They make mistakes like any company and yet somehow their's are suppose to be forgiven?

MS didn't get where they are by making a good product but something in a narrow field that was needed, adapting it as that field increased in general popularity and barring competition.

@Xephon08:
Talking about an issue some people are running into after an update, not a full install.

Maybe you're the one who should give it some time before jumping in.

[Arnon]

So if we're addressing Windows 7 crashes, why are we not addressing Mac crashes?

http://www.google.com/searc...

Because I'm sure we're all quite aware that they all crash, but why are we only addressing Windows 7? It seems we're all ok with brushing off the other problems that the competing OS's have, including Snow Leopard.

Godmars, have you even used Windows 7 for an extensive amount of time to justify the things you're saying? Because I'm quite sure that anyone who has used it (even the people who have had the BLSOD) would agree that it is a great OS. All OS have issues. It's the way the world works, and the reason why the saying "nothing is perfect" exists.

Also, where are you getting the idea that Microsoft is forgiven? They're one of the most criticized companies in the world.

I have had only 1 major problem with Windows 7, and it was easily fixed by choosing one of the automatic back ups that Windows 7 does with your HDD.

[Godmars290]

Because we're not only talking about a new OS, but a new OS that's suppose to be making up for the mistakes in an older OS?

We're also not talking about a general system's crash as it might commonly occur through long-term daily use, the random one-time startup of a single program, but something that a select few are running into immediately after installing an update.

Windows is more commonly used, so of course you're going to hear more about it when it crashes. The thing that needs to paid attention to are the circumstances.

[Arnon]

"but a new OS that's suppose to be making up for the mistakes in an older OS?"

You realize that these screens of death are actually benefecial in telling you that there's been a failure in either the OS or hardware. It usually happens when drivers are not installed correctly.

Also, Windows 7 DOES fix the majority of the issues that were apparent in Windows Vista.

[Godmars290]

And that automatically forgives it from having issues of its own?

If this is happening through an update wouldn't you rather know of the existence of the possibility, why exactly it happening, rather than blindly defending it?

[KingKionic]

Do you have win 7 god mars ?

[Godmars290]

Of course not. Still on XP.

That shouldn't invalidate any questions I have about it, like not likely having a Mac OS, not using Linux on an everyday basis, stops Arnon from criticizing them. Using them as example of why MS isn't perfect, though MS has made moves against both.

[KingKionic]

I was just asking . I thought you were going get it .

But i can say so far i haven't had this problem . That doesn't mean other people haven't though .

It`s really good man .

Only problem i had with win 7 so far was getting skype and dreamscene to work .

They work now though .

Getting older programs to work isn't a problem at all .

You can change the settings for a program that worked on a older operating system with ease .

It starts up in 15 seconds for me . I have some programs on at startup .

[Arnon]

Oh my god... I'm not blindly defending it rofl. Also, my Dad is a linux fan, so yes, I do use that a lot. I already stated that every OS has it's issues. If I was blindly defending such a thing, I would state that everyone who experiences the BLSOD is a liar, which they are most likely not. HOWEVER, there are people who are blowing it out of proportion, such as yourself. You realize that Windows XP has issues to this day, correct? Apparently you still use it and are quite happy with it, even though there is the possibility of it crashing.

So, as we can confirm this, why does it matter if Windows 7 has an issue that is related to an EXTREME minority, especially if Microsoft is now addressing it. By the way, the title of this article is misleading. Hell, even the first paragraph denies the headline's title.

Anyway, it's good that the issue is being addressed, but anyone who would have to say "stay away from Windows 7" because of this issue is just making a mountain out of a mole hill.

This is about as stupid as worrying about the Swine Flu. Oh no! It spreads quickly, yet it's not any worse than the regular flu, and it's statistics show that it is not even causing the same amount of deaths annually compared to the 30,000-40,000 that Flu has in the United States, but APPARENTLY, we need to worry about it more than anything else at this point in time.

[Godmars290]

@KionicWarlord222:
Might get it. Its all between W7's costs, and Ubuntu's ease of use and utility.

And I just recently learned that you can play Windows games on it.

@Arnon:
You're dismissing the possibility that you might fit into this EXTREME minority someday. That all that's needed is an update that has an issue with a piece software. That instead of simply not running that software the system itself shuts down.

And that you're taking MS at their word when they've yet to admit the extent RRoD effects/effected the 360, that there were any problems with Vista, tells me that you at least have blinders on. Comparing mistakes other companies make to theirs as a way to excuse them.

[Arnon]

The Xbox 360 has sh*tty hardware, and Vista (while being pretty good now after SP2) was a sh*tty OS.

I mean, should I never be excited to see a Microsoft product? Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 7, Microsoft Office 2007 and Zune HD (yes, it is better built compared to the iPod touch, and I own the latter) have all been great products.

The only reason I would have shaders on, is because there's no reason for me NOT to. I haven't had all of these horrible issues happen to me from a Microsoft product. Hell, even my 2007 360 model is still running like it's brand new. The only reason for someone to call out someone else on being a fanboy, is if they themselves feel threatened by someone else having a different outlook on something.

I like Windows because, even though I have had problems in the past, it is a great OS that is by far, the best OS for gaming, which is what I do.

I like my 360 because, even though it has hardware failures (even though I haven't experienced any), Microsoft are greedy douchebags. How is this a good thing? It's good for me, because I honestly don't give a damn. If they can provide me more content, then I'm all for it. The only people who would care would be, of course, fanboys. I own a PS3, Wii and a gaming PC, but that doesn't make me have a different outlook on Microsoft's strategies. They're assertive, and if it provides me with more content and more games, then I'm all for it.

Here's the thing. Even if I did have shaders on, it wouldn't matter. The fact that people are completely dismissing Microsoft's words are proof enough that they're only doing it out of spite of hating Microsoft. If you wont take Microsoft's word, then why argue with them? They're the ones who made the OS, they're the ones who, even though have had issues in the past, FIX THEM... AND they're the ones who spent billions of dollars building another OS because they flunked out on one of them (which most companies always do). If you don't like Microsoft, then why even comment on such matters?

My "shaders" only relate to the positives of a Microsoft product, which means that I don't dismiss the negatives. Is it not ok for me to enjoy the Microsoft products that I purchase?

[Gamer71]

...how none of the idiots above bothered to read the article, and just took this opportunity to spew more anti-MS crap.

[ReBurn]

You're right. So far it's a small number of users. What software or hardware product is there where a small number of users haven't seen significant problems? Of course around here you'll get bashed and told it's your own fault if somebody's stuff breaks, but that's a conversation best kept for another topic.

[redDevil87]

I think i'll stick with XP.

[Kisama]

There's a shocker. </sarcasm>

[jjesso1993]

i didnt belive it myself to last night when got it thats the only problem i ever had with windows seven

[ReBurn]

The truth is that nobody knows the extent of this issue. I'm sure we'll see lots of people here claiming to have it just to fan the flames. I have 3 laptops in my home running Windows 7 and I've applied all of the recent security patches to them. So far no problems at all.

[TheObserver]

It happened to me... I am just an observer, now I got into the mix.

Got a copy of Window 7 via UCLA engineering department for free on my HP Laptop. Several comp sci guys had fun trying to get the OS to start again and get out of the black screen after initial bios start up. They failed though, or it was because I was impatient. In the end, I used the recovery DVDs back to Vista Home Basic that came with the laptop cause I need my laptop.

Note to self: Don't get something at launch because there bound to be problems with the initial batch.

[The Iron Sheik]

"Microsoft claims that reports that its recently security updates create a "black screen of death" have been greatly exaggerated."

Sounds exactly like what they said about the RROD back in 2005. These guys never admit anything until they get sued. This will be no different. MS is in such denial Steve Ballmer is denying he is bald.

When are people going to learn? MS makes shoddy 3rd rate products and put all their money & effort into marketing & hype.