Ive been hearing that your gracous Forza 3 has been having a bad time on the market. It will never touch GT. GT = Perfection. Forza = Second rate clone. Where is your weather? Where is your 950 long car list? Where are your official licenses? GT5 damage = Typical Kaz perfection. Forza = Slight dents in the bumper.
@1.2 - I look forward to hearing the new quotes from those websites when GT5 releases early next year. They've only said that because Forza 3 is the only thing out, but still in terms of driving and graphics, GT5P beats it hands down.
This has got nothing to do with being a PlayStation fan or an Xbox fan, this is 'which simulator is better' and GT5 will be better. Stop living in denial, and you'll be better off, maybe you should go see a shrink? The first step to recovery is acceptance!
2000 cars is useless if the game has a short campaign. Forza 3 has HUGE campaign (200+ big events and more) and excellent gameplay.
http://www.destructoid.com/... "Visuals: Winner: Forza Motorsport 3 Control: Winner: Forza Motorsport 3 Game play: Winner: Forza Motorsport 3 Overall: I'm a big Gran Turismo fan, so it was a bit of a surprise to me that the Forza Motorsport 3 demo did more for me. Things like damage modeling and background art aside, it was the superb control and high level of accessibility that won me over. Forza 3 was just more fun. More impressive. Of course, this is not to say that Gran Turismo 5 isn't a good game. It will be great, I'm sure, but Forza 3 show floor demo has me wanting to race again. I need to get me one of these three-screen setups too."
I love Gran Turismo, I played it on my psx and ps2. It's established franchise but it won't bring something new for the table, I won't defend Gran Turismo just because I love it or because it's a established franchise, I will defend the best because I am a gamer, not a GT fanboy. I will play both games and see what is better but for now, Forza 3 looks better to me. Graphics doesn't really matter because both games will be beautiful enough, gameplay and campaign is what matters to me.
OT: PGR is becoming a great franchise. Good luck for Bizarre Creations.
@anti-gamer Man... it's Forza 3 demo vs GT5 prologue, did you read the article? Of course... GT5 full version CAN be better than Forza 3 full version but as I said before... for now Forza 3 looks better to me. I can't play a racing game using the same formula over and over again only including new cars and new tracks...
I played GT4, I have a ps2 but did you played Forza 3? You are acting like a fanboy, not a person trying to enjoy the best game that you can have. You are closing your mind.
How the heck did a post about PGR 5 being made turn into a Forza vs GT. I understand that they are both racers but this has nothing to do with PGR5
On topic: I am looking forward to this, i loved PGR4 it was a great game, now hope they can continue doing well with PGR 5. These are one of the few but great exclusives xbox has keep em coming.
Oh look! Someone posts a positive comment regarding the 360 as a first comment, unlike the usual trolls that beat 360 gamers to most threads.. And now it's digressed into another PS3 vs 360 debate and people are bringing up GT5, which is nothing but fiction right now.
This person could very well think these are the best racing games, it's his opinion. Stop with the futile attempts at trying to change it.. It's annoying.
correction my friend: 360-it only does Shooters,cuz according to 360 fanboys forza 3 is a massive flop. and if the so called "definitive" "sim" couldnt even make it,what makes them think an arcade racer will? .. oh yeah,cuz its noob friendly.
Look at the 360 games library,they are mostly (if not all) noob friendly games.. example: Halo 3,MW1/2,L4D 1/2,gEARS 1/2 ect ect.. and the closest thing 360 fanboys have to the "real" thing Flops hahaha.
3rd person shooter = gears 1st person shooter = halo, l4d Sim = viva pinata, ace combat Party = fusion frenzy 3d platforming = banjo kazooie racing = forza, pgr
etc.
If any console is dominated by shooters I think it's the ps3. Of all the games released this year, killzone 2 and uncharted 2 are by far the biggest 2, and both are shooters, I cant think of a single exclusive racing game for the ps3 released this year. Nor can I think of any sim or rts exclusives for the ps3 at all.
Fps: halo best exclusive console franchise. Tps: Gears same as halo Sim: racer Forza 3 best till now have to see gt 5 to make a judgement.
Think about it ps 2 had over 100 million consoles sold and gt 4 has sold like 12 million copies. That gives gt 4 a attachment rate of 12% of every ps 2 out there. The ps 3 has like what almost 28 million gt 4 community is probably splitten now by the long dev time lets it will get 10% attachement rate. When gt 5 is out the ps 3 will probably sold around 30 million consoles that will give gt 5 a possible 3 million sales.
Did polyphony digital confirmed the track editor as in you can make your own racing tracks
I disagree with your theory on GT5 sales only being around 3million considering GT5P sold over 4million and with less consoles.Also GT3 sold 14.9million and when it came out the install base was similar to what it is now i think
The company who did the previous PGR games are owned by Activision now. There's no chance this is actually being made by them, unless everyone from the company left Activision to form a new company.
will be interesting to see how this turns out. PGR3 was a great game but i dunno what the hell they did to PGR4 but i couldn't get into it at all. the campaign just didn't seem right.
not that it matters. i won my copy of PGR4 is a PGR4 lan tourney :D
i hope the graphical style isnt drastically changed. PGR4s graphics were really impressive and overall underated. Incredible weather effects and sad to see Bizarre Creations not part of it, even if they did say they got bored of doing the PGR series. I can only see Turn 10 being able to pull off what BC did
thank you, I thought I was the only one who thought it was graphically under rated.
I was playing 3 the other day and ... I dare not say what I thought about it now, but I will just say i think it still holds its own. especially against any of the other arcade racers.
its a shame they messed so much up with pgr4. I will be watching this closely.
MS is really trying to garner the racing fans huh? Forza 3 couldn't do it, so they'll try again with PGR5. LOL. No matter how much times you try MS, it will never have the fanbase that GT has. These racing fans don't buy that PR BS. They want quality and superiority that are only found in Gran Turismo games.
You PS3 fanboys need to kindly get out of here unless you have something positive to say and you 360 fanboys need to shut up. Personally I am very excited we are getting PGR5 on the 360 as I am about getting GT5 on the PS3.
I didn't like PGR4 as much as I thought I would...wasn't anywhere near as deep as I've come to expect from Forza and GT. But the graphics and weather were great.
It doesn't effect gameplay. but being able to have a good look around the interior of my dream car is something I like in PGR.
Compared to Forza 3 where the driving position is modeled on a 86 year old granny shoved up against the driving wheel. Why cant you adjust the driving perspective like in the Grand Prix series on PC?
The gameplay in Forza rocks though, The cars feel planted and it I get emersed into the feeling of actually driving the cars on the tarmac. Good game, good game.
Can't wait to try GT5 and actually turn on my PS3. PGR5 will be great I'm sure (if it losses the bikes)
This is my favorite racing game. I know the majority likes Forza and Gran Turismo, but I prefer the underdog game. I still have the first bizarre creations PGR game known as metropolis street racer for my dreamcast and fur fighters the game which was created by them.
don't take our words for it though silly kid. If you know how to read you might want to do a little reading your self but here let me help you get started with a few quotes
IGN-"This is the best racing game of this generation. Good luck topping it."
Destructoid-"Forza Motorsport 3 is the new king of racers"
Kombo-"Forza Motorsport 3 is the best racing simulation ever made and as close to a flawless game as I've ever played.
You guys really are playing behind. Damage only 15 years later.LOL. Ferrari's only 15 years later too and Porsches?? Yeah, you got it bud they will have it 15 years from now. LOL. A $60 million dollar budget and they can't even get it right. Play behind.
Holy Crap
now we have the best Sim and the best Arcade Race games Evaaa
Good job MS
I bet they don't make the same mistake that they made with Forza 3. Words such as "definitive" will not be mentioned this time.
Damn Xbox 360 got the racing game on lockdown.
Awesome news, PGR games own Forza!. Still not as good as GT games though
It only does: Racers and Shooters.
Where is the variety?