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Marvelous feels like crying over Wii sales

Marvelous Entertainment has provided the Wii with some truly high-quality experiences. No More Heroes, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, and Rune Factory Frontier are just a few of the titles that have been praised by the media.

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CobraKai5438d ago

They should release their games on other systems if they feel this way. Not unless they are a nintendo second party or something

Smacktard5438d ago

So you think Rune Factory would sell on the 360 and PS3? And Little King's Story? Don't joke.

Also, whenever people say they want Muramasa to come to the 360 or PS3 they inevitably follow it up with "...as a PSN or Live Arcade title"

There's no market for these games. True gamers appear to have died off last gen. What a goddamn shame.

KKanjiAnkh5438d ago (Edited 5438d ago )

@Smack

I agree hardcore gaming has fallen off to a degree, and that's what the PS2 is still here for.

Those who want these games will get it, like me MOST DEFINITLEY, and you would have a way better chance on a Sony system anyday 4 this type of beauty.

@Arius

Sales or not Nintendo's focus is a Mii first, them second, Okami, Mad World, No More Heroes, and a few others didn't do jack on the Wii either, so install base is not always the case.

Explain
Yakuza 3
White Knight Chronicles
Valkyria Chronicles
Demon Souls, success.

I won't discredit the Wii, but the lead developers words can't change fact.

Gr815438d ago (Edited 5438d ago )

Was a success? Neither of those games sold a million copies which is said to be the breakeven point for most HD games. Lead devs can't change what fact? That games with Niche appeal won't become smashing successes?

You can't discredit the Wii, none of the haters can. Wii Fit has damn near outsold PS3, that says it all. Does Capcom cry over the fact that Bionic Commando sold less than Madworld across TWO platforms? I don't see the argument being made here.

Para: you talk pathetic, I've read your posts before, nothing more pathetic than a fanboy posting in a thread that has nothing to do with your console of choice just to troll. THAT is pathetic. You will not catch me in a 360 or PS3 news section because those systems do not interest me in the least. What is even MORE pathetic and sad, is the fact that someone like you and your nonsensical posts have such an abundance of bubbles. That's fine though, I know how the game is played here. This is Sony fanboy territory, say anything against the PS3 and the mods and trolls jump on you like a hooker at a prison.

Parapraxis5438d ago (Edited 5438d ago )

Arius Dion, people like you are pathetic.

To you any game that sells less than 1mil in Japan isn't a success.

Since when are action adventure & action RPGs NICHE games?

Wii Fit has sold almost as well as the PS3...therefore Wii Fit is superior? I think you forget who the Wii appeals to. PS: It's not gamers.

"Does Capcom cry over the fact that Bionic Commando sold less than Madworld across TWO platforms? "
uhhh I'd imagine they do.

EDIT: Please point out what parts of my posts were nonsense.
I read this article because *gasp* I think these are great games and it sucks that Marvelous is this dissapointed.
I must have really hit a nerve with you, I sincerely hope I didn't make you cry THAT much.
*hands him a tissue* dry your eyes, I'm sure someday people will hold you in high regard for your sage gaming wisdom and expertise in everything Wii.

drpepper61215438d ago

"Neither of those games sold a million copies which is said to be the breakeven point for most HD games"

Really? I didn't know that most HD games had a $50-60 million budget. Alot of games don't need to sell a million to breakeven.

Omegasyde5438d ago

Wow, you must be high to think a game budget can reach 60 million.

Kz2 for instance took 40 million in development but supposedly a game engine will come out of it. Count in the sales of the DLC as well to coup up some of the cost. That's over doing it though.

Why would a Wii developed game require such a budget when its not really pushing the Wii limits nor is the technology really difficult to program for.

No game has to hit a million to be profitable.

Chris3995438d ago (Edited 5438d ago )

Sales are as follows:

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Note that's more than Lost Odyssey and Star Ocean VI COMBINED sold in Japan. It's essentially the premier RPG in the East at the moment and it's a new - unproven - I.P. to boot. Yakuza is also off the charts in Japan, but apparently you've been living under a rock.

Do your homework. 3rd party, hardcore games generally (this is a "generalization" so there are exceptions, of course, but it is still the "rule") don't sell on the Wii, or sell much less when compared to other systems. Sure hardcore games can fail on HD systems, but at least the consumer interest is there, unlike with the Wii. We're almost three years in at this point and the evidence should be pretty clear. I don't know why people still belabor this point. First party and family/ casual software - Raving Rabbids, etc. - sells at a signifigantly higher margin than anything else on the Wii.

And your assumption that all games have to sell a million copies simply not true. One person - can't remember who - said it once. I think it might even have been Kojima or someone working on MGS4; which was a tremendously expensive game to make.

This certainly does not apply to EVERY game, you dolt. Anyway you seem like one of those people where 'logic' and 'facts' just bounce off of your thick skull, so believe what you will.

Seferoth755437d ago

Poor fanboys.. Chris and his other crying buddies must be really worried about the Wii.. First they claim sales matter when it's the Wii but bring up the Ps3 and like any good fanboy he completely changes his story...

What i love about it is he is too ignorant to even look at the types of games he is crying over.. Run factory is a FARM sim. It's a niche title. This must just be your first gen of gaming and you cant comprehend what that means. The problem is that Gamestop and other gaming stores know exactly what it means. In my Gamestop i was told to Preorder Madworld because it was such a niche title they were only getting 3 copies. hard to buy what isnt there kid but of course in your fanboy rants you never take facts into account. you just spin your opinion like a good Sony boy.

Show me any game selling well on a HD system that is a farm sim like Rune factory.. Show me a black and white 5 hour brawler on PS3 or 360.. See what you idiots cant even comprehend is that those games dont even exist on PS3 or 360 in any form. BEcause you kids wont support anything that doesnt look realistic and contain sex and violence on an extreme level. So stop acting like you would buy these games. You didnt buy them on the PS2 so you wouldnt buy them on Ps3 either... Also love how you say if they cut the price and put it on PSN more people would buy it..Cut the price on the Wii version and actually make it available and it will sell.

But of course the very same fanby trolls that know nothing about the Wii know everything about how Gamestop and other stores order niche titles...

Xiru5437d ago

Arius, games look like they are failing on Wii because of the installed base. There are 4x as many Wii's in homes in the US as there are PS3's. So when companies see that only 70,000 copies of a game sold in the US, that is considered a failure to them. It means that most Wii owners aren't buying their games. This means they either have to cater to the casual crowd to make profit, or switch consoles to appeal to the regular gamers. Muramasa is a beautiful game. It was almost enough to make me buy a Wii again. If it were on the PS3/360, I would buy it in a heartbeat. 2d games of this calibur need to be appreciated. There is no way of knowing if a game like Muramasa would do worse on the PS3. I personally think it would sell better in Japan on the PS3. But we will never know.

Chris3995437d ago (Edited 5437d ago )

I have all 3 consoles. And a decent handful of titles for the Wii, including Rune Factory (will be picking up Muramasa and Arc Rise in the future). I was the ONE pre-order in my entire EB Games store, busy location, right in the heart of a major mall.

Hardcore games simply do not sell well on the Wii. Get over it. Perhaps you should invest in a couple of different consoles this gen, or just lay off gaming and get some air so that you might have a more balanced view of the world.

P.S. You're an idiot.

Edit: Oh, and Arius was the one who brought up "sales". Add "reading" and "comprehension" to the list of things you need to work on.

Seferoth755437d ago (Edited 5437d ago )

I just love how you make yourself even more of an idiot by tying to justify your hate with pathetic excuses... Ok you claim to own Rune factory.. So why are you so adamant its mainstream? Oh I guess like any PS3 owner you dont actually play the games. Must be why that POS is dead last. Its easy to see you are nothing but a trolling 12 year old fanboy...

Speaking of reading comprehension get your mom off the street corner and get her to explain what that means because you fail miserable at it...I never said you brought upsales ki. I said you changed your story about sale when its the console you worship being talked about.

Typical fanboy really ignore any facts or relevant info and just call others idiots while completely ignoring what was said.

Oh well doesnt bother me. I knew you couldnt respond with any thing valid to my point. You just don't have the education to think beyond a 3rd grade level so insults and ignorance are your only options.

N4g_null5437d ago

What is sad is you guys rather say the Wii has a gamer population that doesn't want the game and that you want them to make the game on the PS of xbox 360...LOL Ok what happened to I like this game maybe I should get this system? I know all of your excuses but seriously If the Wii does not have enough hardcore gamers then you have to realize you are part of the problem that is killing off publisher like Marvelous. If you do have the system then why are you complaining show other people the game like how Wii fit gamers show their friends. People are not buying Wii fit because of the ads they are buying it because they get to play it.

Ok It's good to see you guys are interested in these games but it's too late the games have been made and they are on the Wii. If you want the games then get a Wii. To port it to the HD consoles would actualy put them in the negative because most of you that would buy it already have a Wii any way. It is not like you are going to get a new HD version either.

Another thing is I know all I wanted from them was NMH and demon blade any way. Insy=tead of crying try ads or actually given developers money to make the games even better.

kunit22c5437d ago

i saw this on another site and i was like "wow i bet the fanboys at n4g are going to be all over this" lol but seriously, do you really think that these games would actually have done well on PS3 or 360? get real fanboys, ESPECIALY little kings story cmon! and rune factory didnt look good so dont complain about that either, and what are they talking about with No More heroes? i heard that it did ok and they thought their sales were fine. and fanboys No More Heroes wouldnt have even been the same game on your systems. also Muramasa: The Demon Blade it looked good, but you guys wouldnt have bought it unless it was on arcade or psn, you just wouldnt have, it has no multiplayer, a short campaign, although the gameplay did look good it wasnt enough to make me buy it. and gamestop must not think these games were all that good either i havnt seen any of them in gamestop except No More Heroes. Also they DID NOT advertise them at all, i bet there are alot of people who own Wii's and like these types of games but they dont know they exist because they dont go on sites like this or look up games or watch e3 so they NEED to advertise, i know that there is a market out there like that, my uncle he likes shooters and he owns a Wii and he didnt know that there were shooters on wii until he came over once and saw me playing Cod WAW now he too has COD WAW, its simply that they NEED to advertise, "dont complain if you dont advertise" that if you ask me is a pretty good saying.

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that was suda51 that said he was fine with the sales not marvelous.

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Smacktard5438d ago

Poor Marvelous ;_;

I bought Rune Factory Frontier, and it was great. I'm definitely getting Little King's Story and Muramasa. They look fantastic. I feel bad for Marvelous :(

Forrest Gump5438d ago

I think on the Ps3 these games can chart,you're forgetting the Japanese audience.

Gr815438d ago

PS3 games don't sell well, don't act like they do. Name ONE game that has cleared 1m in sales in Japan, since you bring up the Japanese audience.

LastDance5438d ago

Arius Dion - the armchair expert

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Gr815438d ago (Edited 5438d ago )

Are first party? Really? Do some research pal, before you spout nonsense.

Me? an Armchair expert? thanks sir!

DaOne:Games on PS3 are flopping left and right so shut up with the "stand a fighting chance" tell that to F5.

Da One5438d ago (Edited 5438d ago )

Stop acting like a fanboy, what's even worse i stooped to your level

anyway...........Those games would actually have fighting chance on the any system other than the wii, The PS3 seems to be bringing the niche crowd from the PS2, with atlus and nis jumping last gen's ship

The 360 also trying to win over the JPN crowd with more rpg's and Japanese centric games, these would make since to grab..........

Also sales don't equal great games..................

qface645438d ago

what about haze and lair they didn't have a fighting chance on the ps3

what people really should be saying is ANY GAME has a chance to flop in terms of sales on ANY system

Omegasyde5438d ago

Who cares if it reaches a million.....

Please finish high school first before you start talking about marketing and development.

Omegasyde5438d ago (Edited 5438d ago )

Double post, I feel like crying now as well.

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vox5438d ago

technically the wii still has a higher attach rate than the ps3
and considering those platforms have a higher library of core titles to compete, i would see them getting even worse sales if anything

Myst5438d ago (Edited 5438d ago )

Do not worry Marvelous you will have one person picking up at least Rune Factory and of course Muramama: The Demon Blade. I know I'll definitely be getting Rune Factory, that game looks like fun and to good to pass up.

qface645438d ago

im actually gonna be picking up almost every game marvelous has to offer
but its gonna be in vain though because in the US most of the games are published by another party

BrotherNick5437d ago

I'm Getting Rune Factory and Muramasa too. :)

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The gaming industry has drifted away from offering full-fledged games to putting unfinished titles that are jam-packed with microtransactions on the market.

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Christopher1d 11h ago

It's not the fault of the gaming industry. Gamers were told what was happening, were warned about where this would lead, did nothing, and now are acting like it's the fault of publishers that they kept buying these games and investing in MTX. If only those gamers at that time felt as strongly about these things as they do Helldivers 2.

Hugodastrevas1d 11h ago

I don't think MTX target the common gamer but instead predate on the so called "whales". It's gambling pure and simple.

Christopher1d 9h ago

Oh, so it's okay to buy MTX-laden games as long as you don't spend money on MTX, which has led to even more MTX-laden games with even more predatory practices where content that used to be unlocked is now behind paywalls?

C'mon now people. You gave the corporations and inch, and they kept taking and taking. Community members told people that investing in these things alone would only lead to more and more MTX and putting more and more behind paywalls. But it's only the fault of the corporations, not the people who kept supporting it with purchases as more and more was taken away?

Hugodastrevas1d 9h ago

@Christopher that's a straw man, I didn't say any of that I just added context.

-Foxtrot1d 6h ago

Well exactly

People stand up for something which seems small to them and they get called whiners or negative. Then years later the shit hits the fan and they all go “why is this happening?” Like they are innocent.

The issue aswell is younger gamers who grew up with all this thinking it’s normal and we all just look like old farts yelling at clouds when we’re trying to help us all, even them.

Crows9012h ago

Who woulda thought that listening to your elders could be a good idea...too late now

Hofstaderman12h ago

It all started with that damn horse armour. Back then I thought nobody was stupid to buy into that crap. How wrong I was....

CrimsonWing6911h ago(Edited 11h ago)

I like how people move the goal-post. First it’s, f*ck any game with MTX’s, f*ck GaaS games, f*ck this game with “optional” MTX’s (Dragon’s Dogma 2), Helldivers 2 is ok because it’s fun and even though it has Battle Passes or Season Passes and MTX’s it’s ok because… you don’t need to buy them? 🤷‍♂️

HellDivers 2 is the best selling game this year. Just think about that, games like FF7 Rebirth sold poorly, but a continuous game that lives off recurring revenue sells extraordinarily well. Then we’ll hear everyone b*tch about a GaaS future.

I really wonder what this industry would’ve been like if we never gave into this crap, and yes I’m saying “WE” since I’m guilty of it, but man it’s literally no closing the door once it’s been opened.

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Hugodastrevas1d 11h ago

This is what amazed me the most when playing hours upon hours of stellar Blade version 1.00.00 no bugs, no crashes, no sudden drops in frames, no screen tear, no falling from the world, just a complete package on a game under 50GB.
I think Korea will play a major role in gaming in the long run , because they're releasing banger after banger.

isarai1d 11h ago

Still pretty common to find if you stay away from the AAA publishers, in the last 10yrs ive probably only bought like 3 games combined from EA/ACTIVISION/UBISOFT. Even now i still buy games that work right out the box perfectly fine. Just recently got like 6hrs into Alone in the Dark, and not a single sign of any of that bs, really enjoying my time with it.

shinoff21831d 3h ago

There's such a misconception about every game needing a patch,this and that when in reality it's not even close. You nailed it isarai

Crows9012h ago

It's really only AAA devs and publishers that seem to have these constant problems

z2g14h ago(Edited 13h ago)

And we as gamers have to accept our role in that. Constantly never being satisfied. Constantly demanding more while paying less. Constantly demanding better frame rates, better graphics, more modes and faster faster faster…. Then review bombing the product when a demand isn’t met. Meanwhile those same demands are making games more difficult, complex and more expensive to create than ever before, on shrinking timelines that burn out employees and make their lives miserable.

You wanna know why so many games get delayed? Cuz the original release dates weren’t realistic to begin with, but you can’t tell a gamer their game is further away than they want to hear. Some dev or game designer will be threatened physically. That builds even more pressure and rushing. We are officially squeezing water out of rocks and still complaining about that how hard you have to squeeze the rock be just waiting for rain. Most of the time we take it out on the developing studio, when it’s the publisher making the calls.

All you need to do is read the comments on most websites and social media to see how toxic, entitled and petty the gaming community at large is, and realize how that transforms into impossible expectations on the parts of game makers.

Crows9012h ago

Nope. Some gamers are to blame. Never demanded anything you mentioned.

A fully finished and functioning product is a standard. It's not demanded. If someone sells you a tv that only works 60% of the time are you going to recommend it OR write a review calling out the obvious problem...it's not a demand...it's a standard.

A standard triple A publishers can't seem to hit consistently.

thorstein11h ago

You've never heard of planned obsolescence.

HankHill8h ago

I take it you like microtransactions? 🤣

Kinza5501214h ago(Edited 14h ago)

This is one battle that gamers have never won, hahaha. They were parading recently for their "win" against Sony. Where's the energy for this one, guys? LMAO!

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