Left 4 Dead fans angry at Valve over L4D2

New Game Network explains how many L4D fans are unhappy with the announcement of Left 4 Dead 2 from Valve at e3, just seven months aver the release of the original game. Steam forums have many threads expressing anger and disappointment. A Steam Group called "L4D2 Boycott" has been created with over 2000 members already.

[The Meerkat]

Do people complain that Fifa 2010 gets announced 4 months after 2009?

STFU

The more games the better.

[GWAVE]

Valve is beginning to get all "EA"-ed. A year ago...heck, even 8 months ago, "old Valve" would have released this content as a free add-on for Steam customers. And it would have been as a big "we're sorry!" for shafting people on the included content for the original L4D game, which had so little content.

Yet, here they go releasing a "new" L4D game about a year later, and I can guarantee you that:

- the graphics will barely be improved
- there won't be very many campaigns/maps (they've already pretty much confirmed this)
- very few new enemies and weapons will be added

And people will still worship it because it has "Valve" slapped onto it. Skip you, Valve. Quit giving your fans the middle finger.

[Blaze929]

When I heard L4D2 was announces the FIRST thing I thought was, "wtf. Isn't that a bit too soon?" Like L4D1 lacks so much content and got old fast even after the survival mode DLC. I don't see why they couldnt add more campaign levels but no, instead went to L4D2 in such a short time and will slap another $60 price tag on it. If it's anything like the first game, they are truly foolish to think people will buy it knowing what they'll get.

[sonarus]

You are an idiot to compare annual sports titles to full release games. If you want to be accurate compare the COD annual releases. And yes people are complaining about that too

[MegaMohsi]

At least those are made by 2 different developers and in my case I always skip the treyarch ones.

[lsujester]

I'm angry at Valve, but not about Left 4 Dead. I'm angry because they can get around to producing two zombie games in two years, but can't get around to making Episode 3 in the same time.

[yippie1234y]

what i would like to know is why there has only been 1 sequel to counter-strikes in the past i dunno 10 years?!?

i mean it was possibly the biggest online shooter ever. they should take another shot at a console version but this time make it good.

[Megaton]

Sonarus is right, a comparison to the annual CoD releases is more appropriate, but still kinda flawed considering it switches between developers. A comparison to annual sports 'roster updates', as some people call them, isn't the same thing.

Gotta say I was surprised to see it announced so early as well. Doesn't seem like a Valve move. I hate to think EA is rubbing off on them this much.

[yippie1234y]

i couldn't agree with you more

[truewittness]

where are the same people that should be complaining about and boycotting madden, nba live, actually all sports franchises and the call of duty franchise? they are announced 7 months after their release as well. and what about FF13 and FF14. announcing 14 before 13 is even out.

[SL1M DADDY]

Why a new title?

[Rainstorm81]

madden next gen has been a serious disappointment to say the least (backbreakers animation is light years ahaed and it the first gamee, not to mention they openly said they would like to work on madden. stupid EA), NBA live is non existent when you have NBA 2K SERIES. and COD:MW2 wont be as successful as the first (on PS3), the shooter market has boomed and codMW2 " dosent seem to do anything new" CoD:MW 1.5.

A true sequel is Uncharted 2 : Among theives especially when compared to the first. (get the MP beta its great) it just seems valve has fallen to EA's strategy quantity then worry about quality down the road. EA has failed this Gen in my eyes thats why they were over taken by activision for number 1

[TheIneffableBob]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Just because Valve is releasing ONE sequel a year later does not mean they're getting "EA-ed".

[TenSteps]

there are people who are complaining on sports games as simple roster updates with adding a few gimmicks here and there,

the Call of Duty franchise are developed by two different developers some even mention skipping the Treyarch ones I see that as some sort of complaint.

FFXIII and FFXIV are different one is a single player game designed by a certain team the other is an MMO designed by mostly the FFXI team so you see they are different games by different people by the same company (SE Production Team 1 is handling FFXIII while SE Production Team 3 is developing FFXIV)

[Tony P]

Fans know this and feel shafted because they haven't yet seen any substantial content for L4D to either the SP or the MP. Really Valve, wtf?

Did they not see how poorly this would go over with fans? Unless this is magically revealed to be a content update or DLC, expect very annoyed customers.

Ftr, I could give a crap about the aesthetic arguments.

[kevnb]

and to think, I was thinking about it.

[Tito Jackson]

I dont understand why there is any reason to be mad, upset, etc.

Maybe Danny McBride can help illustrate a reason to be mad....lol.

[ThanatosDMC]

See this is what i was hating about L4D2. Those people hating on me from what of my comments just didnt understand.

We will probably get charged $49.99 or $59.99 depending where you buy it.

There's not enough maps on the first one. Not enough mods either.

[Beast_Master]

Isn't this game like 4 hours long with like 4 maps? Sounds like you guys got 1/2 a game to start with now your complaining because you are going to get charged for the second half? (See Starcraft 2) LOL.

[poopface1]

thats because I never bought L4D, even when it was only 10$ or something on steam. Ill stick with half-life and counter strike for my valve games.

maybe they will make a much longer game now that people are complaining.

I still think that L4D will be supported more than a lot of other games, since its valve. Look at cod4, sold 10 mill and we get only 4 overpriced maps.

[Nikuma]

This bullsh1t rehash of a game isn't getting my money. The only way I'd play it if they made it a free or 5$ update for the PC. It's the same exact Fing game with a new Fing skin. This is very unexpected by valve and I sense some sort of higher power pulling the strings on this one.

I just lost a lot of respect for valve with this BS move.

[lessthanmarcus]

quality not quantity, dipsht.

[bullswar]

I personally dont give a rats ass ... it was an awesome game and Ill buy its sequel.

[Sitdown]

I'm confused....why is he considered an idiot because he compares it to annual sports titles?....especially when sometimes from year to year all they need is a roster update. Ohhh, and not nearly as many people complain about COD as you would like us to believe...cause most of us know the development cycle. Most people should know by now that you pay for being an early adopter...sometimes its a good thing and sometimes its not.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Fifa gets announced but it has content for you to play for a year, just like most sports games.

L4D is short. The online extendfs its life, but the truth is most people are done with the online already.

It causes a duality. The franchise is already in a need of a new game, which is a good reason for the announcement, but is also a shame that L4D was so short lived.

[V ii T aL]

I loved the first one. But now I have moved on. I will be picking this up in November along with Modern Warfare 2 which also looks amazing.

[y0haN]

I am another big Valve fan really peeved at this. We've received virtually no support for the game since release, and now this. A cöck slap to whoever bought the first game. Thanks for beta testing, and the money, sucker!

[soljah]

wtf

zombies 09 vs zombies 10 what the differences?

basically valve charging double for the same game.

where is should be 1 game plus some dlc for a few bucks more

[commodore64]

I really have to laugh!

I have seen no-one complain about the fourteenth (!) iteration of the final fantasy series.
Yet, people are complaining that L4D2 is too much too soon?

Get a life, people.

[KKanjiAnkh]

I can't agree w/the FF logic at all, at least the core story changes & never is the same in every FF. Square switches up the fighting engine to prevent stagnation, and they definitely don't make 3 hour games.

[justpassinggas]

Err...FF games are all different. They might as well be called different names because they're not sequels or even related to each other except for minor cameo appearances of chocobos and moogles and that's about it. Have you even played a single FF game?

Not to mention the fact that each FF game on average lasts over 40 hours. L4D does not last for a tenth of that in single player (and FF is pure single player except for XI).

[evrfighter]

What fans are angry over is NOT the time it took to release the game. But...

That pc gamers paid $45 or $50 for a game they ALL thought was going to be supported like TF2. If you look at all the content they've released in TF2 after it was launched, they could have made an expansion or a new title out of it.

Check out the steamcommunity forums, They are ablazin. I myself was fooled into thinking l4d would pay for itself via new content.

[TheRealSpy02]

this is an expansion that they are passing off as a sequel, plain n simple.

If you own L4D, L4D2 should be half off if you download it.

[divideby0]

YES....it goes for ALL games..
but I am open minded and own all the consoles on launch day, so I dont suck up to anyone

[Lou-Cipher]

Since when is DLC more important than a new game?

A new game will always be better than getting DLC. (you know that content that should of already been in the game when you purchased it)

I would much rather get to play Grand Theft Auto 5 instead of Gay Tony DLC.

[GamerPS360]

you are absolutely right but If there is no significant improvement then it's rip off.

I love L4D. I play at least once a week but I am not spending on L4D2 if the game is same as L4D. But, I don't underestimate Valve. They have good track record.

[kevnb]

its typically more a pc thing, until this gen.

[BlackPrince 42]

Normally I would agree with you about sequels, but in this case no. L4D is really light on content compared to other games, being episodic and movie like in nature, and Valve promised to offset this by releasing new maps and story modes for free, at least for PC.

Instead of doing what they had promised though, they're taking the maps they have developed, shoe-horning in some new characters, abilities, and weapons, and then releasing a new game at full price.

[Nikuma]

Have you seen the gameplay footage? It's the same game with a new skin. No thank you.

[timmyrulz]

I dont see many complaints that FF14 will be released the same month as ff13.

[qface64]

that's different though since they are 2 different games just with the same name
i don't blame these guys for being annoyed
i mean if you stop and look at LEFT 4 DEAD 2 for a sec you will realize that the whole game is just basically a bunch of DLC in a disc

left 4 dead never had a story so that's out the window
also left 4 dead was very very short even when you play online there's just so many times you can play the same level over and over

the only thing that will be different is new weapons maybe new enemies and new maps if your lucky maybe some new modes
all of that is DLC right there
its DLC everyone was expecting especially considering its a valve game

[The Master Chief]

FF14 Online isn't a real Final Fantasy RPG. It's a pay every month MMO like FF XI on 360. Which is horrible.

[read disc error]

They should be mad...FF MMOs have been pretty weak compared to WOW. FF XI online is already on the 360 and sucks pretty bad. However, the Sony Defense Force will latch onto anything because in their hearts they know they paid more money for a console with less cool exclusive games.

[SRT4Chris401]

because ff14 is an MMO, they did same when FF10 came out, and a year later ff11 came out. They put the releases closer this time. Plus FF14 is more like a sequel to FF11 not 13. L4D2 is blatantly, and obviously nothing more than DLC content promised to us, and they just decided it was more profitable to sell it as a new game rather free for pc, and like $5 for 360 content. Valve has been going down hill and on the greedy side since they released steam. Valve is getting as lame and tired as the Source engine...

[Pennywise]

Yeah...

http://www.bing.com/videos/...

[Mr_Bun]

They should be mad about paying full price for L4D 1

[Pennywise]

LOL!!

[user858621]

am pissed a just bought l4d last month for ma pc!!! wtf!!

[Montreafart]

Graphically and technically, it doesnt stand apart from the original. Hell, its even worse. Cartoony lmao. So why would it be part 2. Lmao, I knew immediately Valve was trying to rip off them sucker xbots haha.

But the bots are stupid, so Valve is right to rip off stupid people.

[zagibu]

I still think they will offer it for free or a bargain for existing l4d 1 customers...
It's too early to get angry.

[CR7JUVE1897]

I don't have a problem with it at all.

What I DO have a problem with, and maybe its just me, or my TV, but when I saw the footage that they showed on G4TV last night (when I wasn't drooling over Olivia Munn), it just looked really........................ .........well, bad.

I mean, it looked like an Early PS2 game. The scene where the character was brandishing an Axe in the cemetary??

Did anyone else see that last night?

[ryuzu]

And entirely out of character in terms of their PC game history.

I have a feeling that MS needed an exclusive to bolster their E3 and Valve complied by turning what would have been normal L4D updates into L4D2 just to provide something to talk about.

As it is, L4D isn't one of Valve best releases and still has problems so an L4D2 is a kick in teeth.

Personally, if it's more of the same then I'll pass - the only possibility is that this hasn't been talked about in terms of a PC release yet - may be it will be a free update through Steam which would be OK.

r.

[ryuzu]

Gabe Newell said last year about L4D :

He said: "One of the things that we're doing is we seem to be in a transition between games as a package product and games more of a service. So if you look at Team Fortress 2, one of things that's really helped grow the community is the continuous updates, where we release new maps, new character classes, new unlockables, new weapons. And we tell the stories about the characters, like the meet the sniper, or meet the sandwich. And that ongoing delivery of content really seems to grow the community.

"So each time we've released one of those for Team Fortress 2 we've seen about a 20% increase in the number of people who are playing online. And that number is really important because it determines how many community created maps there are, how many servers are running, and so on. So we'll do the same thing with Left 4 Dead where we'll have the initial release and then we'll release more movies, more characters, more weapons, unlockables, achievements, because that's the way you continue to grow a community over time."

http://www.videogamer.com/x...

This is why people (primarily on the PC side I imagine since that is Valve's historical base) feel let down - for TF2 and all the source games, this kind of stuff was supported by Valve for no additional charge and augmented by the community.

L4D dies with the release of L4D2, Valve want to charge full price again, and ultimately the community will be wary of supporting either L4D or L4D2 since who knows when Valve will make yet another release.

This isn't how Valve have traditionally done their business...

r.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

Another L4D already??? Hmm...or is it just some DLC???

Erm is this on P.C to then??? ;-D ;-D ;-D

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Boty (NASIM) I'm glad your on the Playstation team

[Troll-Killer]

Folks, this is the UGLY side of EA Parters....fasttracking for quick $$.
You can expect HL3 and expansions to end up with a similar strategy. Valve won't get 6 years to make another sequel, under EA

Activision is no different, as Sonarus mentioned. They fasttrack the COD franchise, only using the stupid 2-dev tagteam effort, that only serves to confuse consumers. You take your hottest commodity, and whore the living sh1t out of it, because that "guaranteed" cashflow helps fund other projects that don't have "legs" yet. It's business, and it's not meant to necessarily cater to the consumer's needs/wants, so much as the stockholder's.

[StanLee]

When Left 4 Dead sold almost 2 million copies in 6 weeks on the XBox 360, you knew this was coming. I expected the sequel. Valve had stated the the team chose their next project and went to work only days after Left 4 Dead was completed on a sequel. I don't mind the sequel. The content seems justified. New settings, weapons, characters, more story driven, new enemies and new competitive multiplayer modes. The content is much more than DLC. With Valve's engine, which is a bit dated, they can have this quick turn around between titles.

[Toneman]

I'd give anythign to play L4D on PS3... and people are complaining that L4D2 is coming out too fast!? Extra DLC is not MANDATORY anyway, and it's not like it's free. Maybe Valve will wake the hell up and port this over on PS3, along with a simultaneous multiplatform release of L4D2 :)))

[bjornbear]

Whats you obcession with ps3, this has nothing to do with it yet u've mentioned it in both your posts =P I bet deep inside you have a wet dream for a ps3 yet can't afford one =(....i feel your pain, i cudn't afford one either...

Don't spew crap: PS3 conference had more games than 360's and was just as good =) Fair play Master Queef, fair play.

Either way i agree, I'd like L4D on the ps3, it'd b awsum =) but till then, playin it on pc =D.

L4D2 is strange, don't see why a whole new title, but if they gotta make more money, they gotta make more money

[Boty]

What are you talking about?

Microsoft:

Halo: ODST
Halo: 4
Motion body controller

SONY:

FFXIV
MODNATION RACERS
AGENT
GOW 3
Eyetoy Motion controller
TEAM ICO Game
A TON OF PSP Games
PSP GO
PS2 games
MORE PSN VIDEO CONTENT
MORE PSN PS1 Titles

Did I miss anything?

Master chief, you are a failure.

[maxcer]

its probably more or less the PC community that is up in arms for not putting out more updates and mods

[Why o why]

¬_¬

[raztad]

WTf? Hey mod. Why did you delete my comment? I was making a good point, no spam, no fanboy comment. I was editing it when suddenly it disappeared. This is ridiculous.

As I said before my comment was unjustifiably deleted. L4D2 announcement was surprise because no one was expecting another iteration so soon. It seems kind of rushed. Anyway, I dont care about L4D. I want games with good story. Where is HL3?

[N4Flamers]

so all valve has to do is remove the 2 from the tittle and call it an expansion and people will be happy. Man people its the same thing.

[ZEEBO4LIFESTFU]

no sweat, its just another game to have. more weapons and levels and monsters, im not complaining.

Besides with all the games like mass effect 2, GOW3, new gears expansion, crackdown 2 who cares, e3 ruled for everyone this year.

[Sangria]

Announcing a Left4Dead 2 is nice, because the first one is nice, but it's also very short, there is not much content and the Source engine is really getting old. So if they don't upgrade graphics, add more content (like campaigns, weapons, modes, characters, etc...) and polish their game to erase bugs and aliasing, then it will be a "Do not want" for me.

But boycott is a terrible idea because boycott will never affect sales. So there are 2000 pilgrims that will not buy L4D2? Why would Valve care about it? There are 2~3 millions that will buy it on 360 or PC anyway.

[SpoonyRedMage]

As I said in the thread in the forums. If they put it out as DLC it'd be bigger than the actual game...

There's some articles about talking about the improvements and changes, there's quite a lot and the dynamic of the gameplay is being changed with a lot of different events happening.

[thematrix1298]

Didn't buy the first one, def won't buy the second one. I'll stick with my CSS, TF2.

[shysun]

You're missing out on a great game.

[Midgard228]

sorry but ofcourse its easy to make a sequel to a game with ZERO story, graphics that Halflife 2 surpass (same creators) and re-used ALL the same enemies and just added day time and 2 new weapons.

wtf thats an expansion not a sequel, u wud think there wud be innovations but nope, daytime isnt innovative.

valve are the laziest devs ever, if they didnt make portal or half life they wudnt have an y credibilty with me, wat happened to them?

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Left 4 Dead fan here and I'm happy! :)

Can't wait for it.

[LTC]

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[Tony P]

^^^Sure. And the thread is signed by a few thousand PS3ers who've never played the game. Not people who y'know actually bought the game and feel passed over for L4D2.

If you're going to be irrationally supportive of your platform Master Chief, please do it with a modicum of intelligence.

[caffman]

and all my mates that where playing it last night cant wait to have the chainsaw!

[green]

Cant wait either.

[Nikuma]

Yeah because L4D didn't come out on PC. /sarcasm

[divideby0]

I was smart enough to buy the 1st game for 40 bucks.
The game was totally overated..totally..

I will NOT buy the next game and anyone who buys it is just Gabes bitsh.

[Knightofelemia]

The orginal Left 4 Dead does have potential I mean release a new expansion pak throw in a couple of new chracters but the sequal is just the same as the first but with frying pans. Personally I wanted to see an 8 player survivor match with the old survivors and the new survivors but that will never happen. But why not release the Lighthouse as a full campaign and as a map for versus mode personally Left 4 Dead 2 is a rental.

[ChampIDC]

I suppose I can't blame some fans for being mad, but I still have faith in Valve.

[kws1065]

even if they try to cut and sell one content by two.

[rawd]

The graphics are so terrible in this game. It's unbelievable

[Pandamobile]

Maybe on the Xbox, but on the PC it looks fantastic.

[Javier19]

People are retarded, as long as quality isnt sacrficed, which considering this is valve i dont think it will be

Im thrilled! Left 4 Dead was awesome, i cant wait for a new one to play. Although im not digging these new survivors

[360DownINflames]

HA HA!

Game blows and so does Valve. Thanks for CS now bye.

[DARK WITNESS]

i don't know, it's prob just me and i know people will hate me for saying this, but it almost feels like they are using this as some sort of cash cow to keep them going while they work on HL2 episode 3 or something.

I mean in less then a year they announce LFD2 and in what, 2 years, we have not heard anything of the next episode to half life.

I should not complain, i didn't get left for dead. its hard to explain why, i got the demo played it and instantly felt i had been transported back in time.

I know game play is most important and from what most people have said its a great fun game, but something about its graphics to start with instantly turned me off it ( and yes i will be the first to say, i am being a hypocrite here ).

I don't doubt that Valve are very, very talented and i know they make awesome games.

I have always thought of valve as the developers who take their time and will take as long as they like ( even if it is 4 or 5 years )to make a true AAA game. However this kind of goes against that.

I would love Valve to take time out, make a completely new engine and use that engine to make the next half life, weather its episode 3 or something else after that ( i know they have said nothing is coming after, but hey things change).

anyway, i am just blabbing on... its been a long day at work.

[Why o why]

I just think valves are a bunch of uncle ricos. Why not step up their game again. Some people really did the graphics of some games yet totally give l4d a free pass for the love of gameplay . cumon man. If we all accept these things from valve/ea they wont feel like they have to do anything to move on. That engine is more annoying than ue3

[DARK WITNESS]

@ why oh why,

totally know what you mean and agree...

my comment was prob a bit long winded, but you summed it up.

like i said, when i saw L4D's graphics i thought it really looked outdated.
with some games i can kind of over look it and with other games i just can't.

thats just me anyway. like you said man, i think they should take a time out.

[BX81]

Really? Why do gamers cry so much? So what if it released how ever long ago? The point is it's a new game. People get upset about DLC, but there used to be a time when there was no DLC. I'm sure LFD2 is going to be better than Part 1.

[Rocco]

Obvioulsy people haven't researched the changes already announced for L4D2. It warrants a full new release. People think EVERYTHING shoudl be DLC these days. 5 new maps? 3 new special infected? New witch? New weapons? New AI director? New characters? An actual story this time? Meele weapons added? A new mode? Regular infected revamped to be harder?

This all should've been DLC? And thats not even everything....

[BX81]

@Boty yeah you missed a lot you should have watched E3

[Boty]

Let me add gran turismo 5 to that list... ;-)

[enjoi187]

lets listen in on all the ps3 fanboys...they love l4d

[JD_Shadow]

Yeah, they HAVE to be PS3 fanboys if they sign this or are mad about a too soon sequel.

They could never be, you know, fans of the game that feel ripped off because they thought they would get the same treatment their favorite company has given to so many of their other games. No, that could never be the reason.

It's always have to be a conspieracy by PS3 fanboys, even if most of them could care less about the L4D games to begin with.

Seriously, man, grow up.

[fossilfern]

it is a joke i just bough L4D 2 months ago this should just be an expansion not a new game im not paying £30 for this

[volcane]

I don't think coming out at the same time as CoD:MW2 is a good idea, as it will probably be totally overshadowed.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Ever notice only droids hate on this game? probably has to do to the fact that they will never get it :) unless they get it on Microsoft's other platform... the PC. Not going to the PS3 droids.

Ever

[lokiroo420]

Uh, you even rea the discritption, hate from l4d OWNERS, back to your mom basement, and while your at it your mom is sick of washing the sh!t streaks from your pull 'em ups, whipe your ass better!

[Obama]

You are full of crap. I have the game for the pc and I like it, but it has gotten old already. Seeing the gameplay of l4d2 does make me a little mad though, since they basically have the same enemies and bosses.

I don't need a firebox to play this just to remind you.

[Beee]

There IS no gameplay of Left 4 Dead 2 yet.

They added a whole new AI engine, new zombies, new weapons, new characters, and more levels.

So shut the eff up.

[Pandamobile]

There's gameplay videos all over IGN.

[donnie-2105]

LEFT4DEAD is a great mutiplayer game BUT i feel it should not have been full price as it only contains 4 levels and the graphics were below par.a budget release or download would have been fairer and just making a full price sequel instead of releasing a bunch of map packs reeks of valve taking advantage of the games sales on the 360.

[Goldenarmz]

cant believe that..................people are whining about this? like really? I mean come on....seriously? your whining cuz they are releasing a new game. I mean...seriously? People are upset that valve made a new game? Get over it.

OH and what law is there where it states that you arent allowed to make a sequel in less than a year? You guys make it seem like they just raped your mother r something.

[solar]

personally i think Valve has spoiled its community with so much free content in the past. L4D was fun as hell for me, and from what ive read about L4D2 Valve is making it better. is it worth another $50 to me? yes, i got well over 250 hours playing the first with my mates and have had a many a great laughs.

if its fun, ill play it. out dated graphics? yes. but graphics dont make a game fun.

[JD_Shadow]

How did I know YOU were going to say that?

[outlawlife]

i won't be buying this, especially if it is on par with the first game

i firmly believe the first l4d wasn't worth $60...maybe $40 at best

a 4 hour campaign and limited multiplayer really left a sour taste in my mouth

we will see how the 2nd holds up but i have hug doubts, development time is way too short for as small as valve is, they can crank this game out in a year but it takes 3-4 for a half life episode

something is fishy

[deepio]

What's the bet that at least half of those boycotting L4D2 buy the game when it's released?? The lure of chainsaw and axe wielding and will be too much for them.

[green]

i know i am.

[unknownhero1123]

the first L4D was released late last year and it had very little content and now they are releasing L4D2 this year? man, even EA is better then this(marketing wise, not game quality wise).

Valve, focus on episode 3 first, we need a conculsion to the halve life series.

[cherrypie]

Let teh N4G FUD campaigns start.

Here's how it will work: Every PS3 exclusive is good. Every Xbox 360 game sucks, the fans hate it, the industry hates it -- and/or its just not as good as anythign on the PS3...

Any story that supports this will be published here, no matter from what shiatty website, wordprss blogs, self-publish websites without any editors -- WHATEVER.

N4G never changes from this. Utter shiat.

[solar]

i endorse your comment.

[Hirako Shinji]

I think everyone is being a little too rash. Doug said they had a team overflowing with ideas after doing the first one, and obviously it's enough to make a new game. I highly doubt they would make a new game for nothing. They even said it would be much bigger than the first one. If they did release it as DLC or an expansion, it would likely have needed to be the $60 anyway. I think you guys are assuming things way too quick. We've only seen a taste of the game. And to those complaining about the colors, they said there would be darker parts of the game. If you don't like variety, you're boring. I'd say quit ragging on Valve and give them a chance. If you're not gonna play this, fine, I'm glad, but I know i'll be picking this up.

[XLiveGamer]

Some L4D fans are unhappy with the announcement of Left 4 Dead 2 from Valve at e3, just seven months aver the release of the original game?

WTF?!?!?!

Are they Zombies? Because those are the only ones that should get mad about this announcement.

Wow i wonder who is complaining more X fans or PS fans. Because its funny how PS fans are always complaining on forums about everything on X and they dont own the console.

Who in his right mind its going to complain about this news? People are always complaining when a game get delayed or not announced at E3 for example and now they complain about this? Well im pretty sure they are not X L4D fans.

[kwyjibo]

Valve fans are complaining. Those that expected the same level of support for L4D as they've shown TF2 and other previous releases.

I doubt the 360 guys care at all, I have a sneaky suspicion, that Valve have had to force a sequel because of the ridiculous 360 update process. (see TF2 console updates)

[bob saget remix]

Instead of this game. Also create a new engine. The source engine is older then my grandma.

[Knightofelemia]

If i wanted to play a game that has a Chainsaw in it I would be playing Gears of War 2 and thats worth 60 bucks. But buying a game for 60 bucks to slap stuff with a frying pan wheres the fun in that, I'll give Valve credit for new weapons but what about the guns. For Left 4 Dead 2 to be worth the 60 dollar price tag it needs to change with gameplay smarter AI for one thing like i say before allow 8 players to play as survivors instead of 4, shoot a car it blows up takes out half the horde. And I don't know add a rocket launcher to the weapons list shoot it at a builidng let a brick wall partially fall on the horde or the Tank. If Valve really wanted to make money make a PS3 port I would pay 40 bucks for the game again to see it run on a PS3.

[kwyjibo]

I bought L4D on its release, and it was great. But I also bought it knowing that it lacked content, and giving Valve the benefit of the doubt regarding updates (as they have done for every other product of theirs).

For me, that hasn't happened with L4D, especially when compared with the vast amounts of love they've piled onto TF2. (The Sniper vs Spy update was awesome, hell, Meet the Spy alone was awesome)

But I'm not boycotting L4D2 or anything. That's rash and largely meaningless given the lack of information regarding pricing etc. Sure, they've mentioned that it'll be a full price release, but they can do all sorts on Steam.

If there's a L4D's owners discount, which would essentially make this a DLC pack, then I'm definitely in. If they continue to show the original L4D support, then I'll be in too.

But I'm waiting...

[KingKionic]

This is article is talking about a thread of people who dislike l4d2 . Im glad i read article i thought it was everyone. I thought left 4 dead was exciting news.

[Ldubbz]

Believe it or not, L4D 2 had one of the longest waits to play at e3. Trust me, they have another hit on their hands with this one.

I am too surprised that they have a sequel already, but just judging by the buzz it had at e3 yesterday, I'd say its in great shape. It easily had the longest wait for a game that wasnt roped off or in a more specialized booth (ODST, GoW 3, etc)

[Pika-pie]

Im not a fan of LFD but I dont see the issue here.. I mean.. So what? Dont buy it if you dont want it.. Simple as.

[dmansodo]

get a life losers, how are you going to complain about something new. new is always good, more weapons and a bunch of new characters. come on geeks, stop being cheap, its a damn game. we should be boycotting mgs for the psp, that game should have been made for the ps3. doesn't make any sense to put a game of that caliber on a hand held device.

[Hirako Shinji]

I had a reply typed out, but this isn't the MGS discussion. You sir need to realize some things.

[Hirako Shinji]

Do you have any idea how long its going to take them to make HL3? The transition from HL1 to HL2 was miles. I expect no less of a difference than HL2 and HL3. I would like Valve to take their time if they do create HL3. I mean HL2 did come out almost 5 years ago, but Valve has plenty to work on now before they can actually release a HL3.

And seeing that comment about how L4D2 had the longest wait to play, it shows how many people are actually looking forward to this. I know I would have been in that line.

[solar]

having the Source Code hacked helped with that long delay.

[LevDog]

Game looks like trash anyways.. The first time is saw the game, I thought it was a PS1 game.. Some of the worse graphics ive seen this Gen..

[solar]

cuz we all know that games that look amazing are fun to play. i am never gonna play SoTC or HL or any other fun game because the graphics are outdated. lemme go get my trash can, i have a lot of great games to throw out.....

[LevDog]

Yeah actually.. Games that look amazing are fun to play.. InFamous, KillZone2, MGS4, and my recently Downloaded Uncharted 2 muliplayer beta.. Soo Fruit loop considering those games you stated are OLD games is different than games that came out what 4-5 months ago..

[solar]

and there it is. a ps3 owner. shouldve known.

every gen has games that has graphics that dont blow the competition out of the water yet are still incredibly fun to play. graphics dont mean a fun game to play. see KZ2. i almost feel asleep during that ATAC fight. glad i didnt buy it.

[LevDog]

Yep and proud of it.. PS fanboy for life..

[shorttylad]

I agree with solar

even tho he has a homo flag :L

[KaBaW]

I didn't really care for Killzone 2.. Does look great, though.
MGS4 is a blast, though. Great game, great graphics.
Uncharted 2 will no doubt be good, and looks good, too.
inFamous doesn't look that great, at least not compared to those three(3) titles.

But, not ALL good looking games are fun to play..

[Ziriux]

Who gives a crap about the angry folks, they should be happy another game is coming as good as this. Why isn't anyone mad about CoD's yearly releases.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

People are angry because they were lied to/mislead. Valve said they would support L4D with more content. Instead they released the maps that were supposed to be in the original game 5 months after the fact. Now they want to charge full price for what essentially is a mod. New skins, weapons, couple of new SI's, and some maps. Nothing that couldn't have been done in a DLC release.

In regards to COD. COD is made by two different developers. IMO, Treyarch doesn't even exist so to get a new COD game every two years with graphical improvements, new story lines, etc, is fine by me.

[Ron Zook]

my god people will whine about anything these days! Boo Hoo im getting a better version of an awesome game like 2 years from now... cry me a river you losers!

[noxeven]

For the 360 users its gonna suck balls, but for pc users I havent read as much into this as id like but they could charge a maybe 30 bucks and call it an expansion pack. *shrug* I need to look into it more

[clixx33]

Even though the early release and lack of L4D support stands; looking at L4D2 gameplay, I immediately saw one thing...they have sunlight......... That pretty much ruins the dark and gloomy feeling of the game. It doesn't even feel like a survival horror game anymore...more like a cartoony game with zombies.

[Rob0g0rilla]

It feels like a 60 dollar expansion.... I mean, it's not bothering me that a second one is coming out so soon because I didn't pay full price for this game(only payed 20), but they can forget about me buying this one if that's what ends up feeling and playing like.

[RebornSpy]

I understand where they're coming from, but personally I wouldn't mind another Left 4 Dead this soon after the first. My only problem is that they should be focusing less on these games and more on HL2: Episode 3.

I heard that Assassin's Creed 2 is releasing on the same day is this, so... I'll probably just wait till Christmas for L4D2.

[KaBaW]

What is the release date for this and Assassins Creed? o.O

[brad12man12]

guys im not as happy as the next guy but vavle might have made it so they can spend more time on EP3 cuz evetually ppl will get bored of l4d so now they made the sequel which ent that bad but people still love the old left 4 dead so dont complain man valve just want more time for there other games man lol

[shadowboricua]

Honestly, the best thing to ever come out of Valve was Half-Life 1 and 2. Their attitude towards console gamers in general is pathetic. Who do they think they are. Screw Valve, there are better games out there!

[shorttylad]

dont like it, dont buy it.

or else stfu you crying nerds.

[SnukaTheMan]

This could of very easily been let out a DLC im sure....im not too keen on paying another 50 dollars for a new experience regardless of how much fun l4d2 will be.

[KaBaW]

Honestly, it is too soon, and they should just make a DLC add-on for L4D.
But, I'm kinda exited for this. Might hold off a bit before I get it, though.
Unless the game is good, they add a lot, and is longer than the first.
And, allows four(4) player co-op offline..

[BenderDGreat82]

while you weiners are off in the corner with your pouting faces, I'm going to be enjoying some L4D2 goodness!!!

[StrboyM]

They have a right to be angry, but the company needs to mae money, maybe they thought that LFD1 has reached its full potential, not to mention cant they just make a new map/ect even after they release LFD2?

[themyk]

it's funny how Jason says only droids hate this game. Isn't it? I mean he's making that statement on an article talking about l4d fans boycotting the game on steam forums. yea it's only droids that hate on the game.

U fail

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Taking advantage of bots since 2005.

[Pennywise]

Is it taking advantage when these guys want .25 increments? They love DLC and new games that dont deserve sequel numbers.

[danielle007]

I'm excited. Valve can do no wrong in my eyess. L4D2 will be amazing, and worth the money. I've played the first L4D for months nonstop, and I'm good with a new one, since the last wass more than worth the moneys.

[Rowsdower]

lets be mature adults and show your disapproval with your wallet. Valve will get that message faster than any comment in their forum and especially any comment here.

update: I deserve that disagree, I just read through the steam forums and I agree with 95% of their points.

This should be paid dlc, and where the hell are the 360's team fortress 2 updates, dont make the games available on consoles if you dont want to support them.

[peeps]

I did have the orange box on 360 (cus at the time my pc wasnt up to the job) but since then i bought it again on pc cus the 360 servers seem dead tbh. so it's no surprise it's not being supported. If you can i'd advise getting it on pc (a modern pc should run it fine) and it's obv right up to date. loads more content than the 360 version that for sure (and god knows what the ps3 version ended up like!)

[commando34]

To be honest I didn't get the big deal on the first one. My brother got it and I don't think with those graphics and minimal game play it was worth 60 bucks. Now a second one? damn I really hate you right now Microsoft.

[djtek184]

Bots get duped again.

[Pandamobile]

What does this have to do with the AI?

[cmrbe]

at the article pic.

[Ven1000]

I thought it was hilarious that they announced L4D2 already. I thought to myself, man they are really MILKING this thing aren't they. Kind of like what EA did to the NFS series. Oh well, sour grapes. I said that it's not gonna be anything but the same old azz engine with new levels, weapons, and some zombies. AKA DLC worthy ROFL

[JeepCreeper86]

I liked the first game and will eventually get the 2nd one, but not for $60... Maybey i will trade in the first one as credit toward the 2nd at gamestop.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Anyone checking my comment history knows I'm not a big Valve fan (I blatantly detest Gabe Newell), but this is VERY unlike Valve. I was shocked when I discovered this game would be out this year. I've said a lot of bad things about them, but even I'd have to admit that they know how to treat their community.

This, however, is bullsh*t.

[peeps]

This looks a lot like L4D source to me (although what engine was L4D running on?). I just mean cus the art style has changed a lot to be more like TF2/DoD:S (both running on source engine)

I can't say i really enjoyed the first though :( i bought it on steam when it was on offer but didn't really play it much at all. I guess ppl would be a little annoyed cus the first game was critisised for having so little content. perhaps this will come with a lot more content although i'm sure a lot of ppl would have rather they just gave the original more content. (how many times did i say content then lol)

[MGRogue2017]

A sequel is coming out way too soon..

What am I supposed to know my copy of Left 4 Dead when the sequel comes out?

It won't be worth keeping, thats for sure seeing as how theres a improved version

[Gun_Senshi]

People with STEAM Account which is used to Play L4D on PC are PS3 Fans boycotting coz L4D2 is "X360 Exclusive" like L4D1 !

You're so damn stupid.

Problem is, Valve promised PC Comunity free updates maps etc, instead they give them a new game not the promised stuff. I just hope its not expensive and at a budget price at launch.

[doa766]

probably around last january they took a look and their posible E3 line up and it was very poor so they talked to all the studios to see if they could add something

so L4D2 and crackdown 2 came up, but only Valve was able to produce gameplay footage in time for the E3 because they were already working on DLC for L4D (it's obviously the same game, no improvements)

they had all the intention to add more maps to L4D so it's obvious that this was it, a due to MS preassure they morphed it into a new game

I like Valve games as much as anyboby and I always accepted the dated engine because of the very high quality of the gameplay but these vids for L4D2 are insulting to fans if the game is going to be released like that on the same year that killzone 2 and modern warfare 2 came out

MS press conference was all flash and no substance: a metal gear spin off not developed by Kojima and without Solid Snake? L4D DLC sold as L4D2? milo? spielberg on stage? two COD MP maps as a timed exclusive? where are games to compete with PS3 extensive line up?

crackdown 2 and splinter cell, that was MS keynote address and it's far from enough

[skottey]

Now I have heard it all. People are mad that a sequel is coming out too soon. This just proves that people need something to complain about. I enjoyed Left4Dead and the Survival DLC, but it is time to move on. I have stopped playing it and moved onto other games. It will be nice to see the sequel come out in a reasonable amount of time instead of a few years like is normally the case. This is just really stupid that people are mad about this.

Did you have fun with the game? Yes, you did. So why get mad? Idiotic.

[greengunstar]

Now this is just ridiculous.

[Crazay]

I can't even beleive that this has made it as high up the charts as it has. This is just a fanboy type article. Big Effin' deal if there's a sequel. soming out a year later. Like the MeerKat said - DO you get all pissy pants when a new sports game is announced?

I predict valve still releases further adventures for the original 4. It's time to take a look at what these people in New Orleans are faced with.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

If Valve doesn't want to come off looking like a money-hungry company, they should offer L4D2 for a discount for those that bought the first. It's basically just a mod that should have been DLC anyway.

To charge full price for a game that has no story, a single player that lasts 3 hours, and very little other new content to warrant calling it a new game is BS. This is why some people turn to pirating. The gaming industry needs to realize this.

[skottey]

What a foolish response... offer a discount to those that bought the first one. Would you feel better if they waited three years to release the game and in the mean time didn't release any DLC for the first one?

You are lucky they didn't charge for the Survival pack on 360. I wish they would have charged for it. At least that way I could be awarded teh achievements for gold after hitting over ten minutes ont he lighthouse. Instead they released a fantastic DLC FOR FREE and were not allowed to put in achievements on the 360 since it was free. I'd rather pay.

For so long we have dealt with the other extreme, waiting way too long between sequels. Now they finally release something in a fair amount of time and you people think it means they didn't put enough focus on the first one. Hello, the game was released, you paid $50-$60, had many hours of fun, and then got FREE DLC. That isn't good enough? You want more? They should continue to support the game with more free DLC?

You people call it milking the game? Boycotting Valve? Are you people out of your minds?

I suggest you take a business 101 course and learn something about how business works.

I wish they'd release Half Life 2 Episode 3... but oh god forbid they release it too soon. Come on now!

[bambooman584]

really even a full blown game. its a coop shoot em' up!! heck i bet they could of done it in less than 7th months! nothing against L4D i like it, but there's no true story, weapons and variety is meager, not really a big MP component, it just isn't a big game needing a long time-period for developing. now i am rambling, i shall stop...

[bambooman584]

just kidding, but i would not pay 60 dollars for a game of this small magnitude,

[PsYcHoToE1]

I'm thinking the 1st L4D was more of a test to see how how many people would like this game for the 360, this second one should be more polished, more weapons, more maps and even new zombies. I hope anyway. I would not agree on a $60.00 price though.

[DuneBuggy]

L4D is one of the best $50.00 ive spent on a game. I dont care if its relatively "short". Its somthing i pick up,play an hour or two and walk away.Great way to waste time in 45 minute blocks!
I respect that it doesnt have a long arsed FMV backstory. Most zombie movies have a thin plot anyway..Its all a setup so the good guys can kill and/or be killed. Simplicity at its best!
And the AI director keeps it semi fresh.I loved COD Modern Warfare,but like alot of games you walk someowhere and KNOW this guy is gonna pop up here. I get plesantly surprised still when a Tank shows up where he never has before.

Im excited theres another one coming.I'd be happy if it was just 4 more 'scenarios' but now I get 5. I'd be happy with the same weps but now they are adding more (and melee weps).
They will get another $50 from me. Ive spent more on games and gotten alot less.Ive blown alot more bar crawling on a Saturday night.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

LOL!

[glennc]

surely more games is good. especially more good games. we are talking about games here, you know things to do for fun. if it is too soon, why not just buy it when you are ready, like say 6 months after release or is that too much to ask a simple minded person to rationalize? these same people act like they have to have it on the release day or they will slit their wrists. i say grow up you whiny little babies.

boycott??? your choice, your loss. the rest of us will be enjoying a new game to play

[koehler83]

What if I just legitimately have no interest?

[danielle007]

you're damn crazy, kid.

This game looks insanely awesome, and I'm willing to shell out any amount of money Valve asks of me. :D

[LUCKYXS7LEVEN]

and party for the summer like me
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[RealtorMDandDC]

......have a 360..and no need or urge to invest in this game..played it at my buddies house and watched him play it to "Death"(pun intended)...never really liked it..

It seems a little half ass if you ask me...guns sounds terrible...the graphic looks PS2( 1st gen PS2 game) many games on Wii/PSP/PS2 looks better and sounds better than L4D do not know what the big deal is....

If I was to purchase L4D I would purchase on PC...because of mods..and better visuals..but I am not a PC gamer....

But a sequel so quick...????

[HDgamer]

PC version isn't worth playing, it's short and will only last for a little time. I'd say wait a year or two then more mods will be out that will give you the money's worth.

[Pandamobile]

We are angry because we expect more from a company like Valve.

After you buy TF2 for $20. You get years worth of new content like the class updates and stuff.

For them to make a new L4D and charge another $50 this soon after the successful release of the first one is just stupid.

They say that "Oh, well this is bigger than the first L4D."

TF2 has quadrupled in size since its initial launch because they continue to support it.

This is why L4D fans are angry.

[unicronic]

Valve have had a taste on the money to be made via a console install base and they want more that's why.

I bet they made more money with L4D 360 than with PC for many different and obvious reasons.

[KKanjiAnkh]

blah post

[HDgamer]

I don't support valve at all. Pretty Much because of Gabe Newell making L4D and not half life 3 or episode 3.

[Allowen]

People complains that Valve did not get interested on raising the life of the L4D by making more DLC and the kind.

They totally killed a game, they will not support it anymore because they want to sell for $60 a L4D2 while a game like Killing Floor that cost$14 is killing Valve's arses in salles.

Valve could gain more respect and even more cash by giving more support to the L4D while workign hard on L4D2 to match in graphics for the Xbox360 against the Ps3.

[Allowen]

Killing Floor costs almost 1/5 of the price of L4D with almost dobble the fun.
And actually it has quite a few better effects then L4D game.

Microsoft needs to hire some company to make a REAL game that fully takes advantage of the 360 hardware.
There is no excuse that still not a single on the 360 was really optimized for the Hardware because and the PS3 have quire a few games like that.

Who got first on the market MS or Sony ? Why there are only a very few real cool graphically talking games on the Xbox360 that are more or less optimized to use its full capabilities ?

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

the only other game I played for my 360 besides Gears. I lost L4D when my 6th 360 died on me, didn't want to void my Best Buy warranty by prying my game out. So I had to take a loss. What a shame!

No matter what the haters say about the games length/content. What it did offer was a very solid/unique expierence, that's very challenging and fun!

L4D2 will be welcomed by me and my 360.

I used to buy multiplats and exclusives for my 360, and ONLY exclusives for my PS3. Now because of the over whelming problems I've had with 360 (Im on number 7). I buy multiplats and exclusives for my PS3 and only exclusives for my 360. I now would rather put the most of my money into a console I can depend on for being reliable with my gaming needs and that is with PS3. Im still a gamer of all 3 this gen. But RROD has hinderd my ability to stay interested in 360. The solid library of GREAT/AWESOME titles the 360 offers isn't held back because of PS3/PS3's Features/DVD 9... main thing hurting 360 is RROD hands down. Console sales, game sales, and fanboys mean jacks#!t. If it weren't for the RROD... MS would be on a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better path!

[Dogswithguns]

I was just about to buy this game this week over Sims3, until this sht happened.

[danielle007]

Are you kids being for real right now? Valve is amazing, always has been, and probably will be forever. L4D has been out a year, and I've played that game insanely much, and it stilll keeps me interested, and then Valve gave us all the present of the Survival Pack, which kept the fun chugging along.

And then they announced L4D2, and honestly, when I first heard the news, I wasn't too happy, either. But then I saw the trailer, saw new zombies, new places, new peoples, and you can use a chainsaw. and a fryingpan, and it made me reflect. L4D is one of the few games that I could play for hourss each day forr months, and L4D2 looks like it's even more ahmazing, and fun, with new gameplay possibilities, and verses will probably bee even crazyer and holy snap. I'm excited.

I don't understand how anyone could even think of boycotting L4D2, because boycotting Valve is like being mean to your uncle that spoils you rotten all the time. Plus, it looks fun! Let's not be masochistic scrubs.

[otherZinc]

I purchased 2 of the original for co-op & I'll do the same this fall.

Thanks Valve.

[Hudahudahuda]

Update of a recently released mod that was sold at full price being sold again....at full price.

Probably wuld have been an download if the 360 had a standard HDD. Now the PC guys who bothered with this game have to suffer.

Funny thing. I was slightly considering getting a 360 to play the first one seeing how it's the only game I actually wanted on the thing and I heard it was gonna get free DLC support. Seeing it dropped for a second one made me lose interest instantly.

[troylazlow]

no no please don't give me more gaming options, whatever you do don't continue making games... you should wait 3-5 years before putting another one out.

ok a real question, how long should they wait? what would be a good time frame?

[KawzNFX]

I played this in the MS booth at E3 yesterday. It was fun. Every aspect of the game was better... from blood effects, zombie types weapons and polys. My only issue was that the daytime atmosphere was not as intense. I dont care that it will have only been a year. Its just as fun as ever so my money will be well spent.

[Power_Of_Flops_]

I can understand why 360 fans are angry now, but I don't understand why they weren't angry before.

MS is milking them the same way Valve does after all :
- a console with 80 % failure rate. You have to buy a new 360 every 2 years
- you pay for Xbox Live while it has more downtime than the FREE PSN and basically the same features.
- ultra expansive MS proprietary peripherals : for the same price as a very small MS hard drive, you've got 500 Gb standard PS3 hard drive.

They saw they could milk you easily, and you were happy to give your money to those crooks, so they take more.

That's what MS fanboys gained for their fanboy mentality. Serves them well.

[bjornbear]

...i love milk =) its really a fantastic drink =D
Nah ths a lil bit harsh, not 80% failure rate, its more like 30% =/

[Death]

Just like games go good with consoles. I'm really impressed that Sony fans are complaining that the Xbox is getting too many games. I could have sworn just last week they were saying the Xbox was dead in 2009 since they had no games.

Another funny thing is how easily people forget Metal Gear and it's various re-issues we seen on the PS2. That was ok, but an actual sequel to a hot game on the Xbox is horrible. It seems a little hypocritical don't you think?

-Death

[makingdamage]

Valve is a bunch of idiots, what else is new?

[OpiZA]

Goodness, what a bunch of whiners..

[robotnik]

I used to have L4D for PC, not a bad game, but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated, although that's what happens to every 360 game, they are all overrated.

[Death]

Fans are important but there is a point to where they get irrelevant. I would imagine the amount of people that bought the game because the box said "Left 4 Dead" out weigh the amount that bought it becasue it said "Valve" by a great margin. Would it be nice to have some more DLC to extend the life of the original? Depending on the cost I guess. Will the time between releases impact sales? I would say definately. Most people that bought the original are bored with it already. Releasing a sequel while the franchise is hot will increase sales. At that time the original L4D will be discounted and sold at retail to more casual gamers while the hardcore gamers pick up the sequel. This will further increase the size of the community.

As for the length of the game, I believe the entertainment formula is approximately $10 for 2 hours. This is based on the old movie formula where a ticket and box of popcorn cost about $10. The average game should last approx 12 hours to get the same value. This includes online and offline modes.If you played the campaign once offline you will probably feel cheated. If you played through online and off you have most likely exceeded 12 hours and got what you paid for. Typically an offline game over 12h hours is never finished because most people lose interest to finish it. That's where achievements and trophies come in, they help people finish games they normally wouldn't.

-Death

[skapunkmetalskater]

Are you all insane? It's a new Left 4 Dead game...? If you enjoyed the first you can look forward to the sequel sooner rather than later. I'd love yearly updates of games which were more of the same as the original.

If it's as long as the first, as big as the first but all new, what on earth is the problem?

[il-mouzer]

Jesus Christ, you kids surely have some sand in your vaginas, first of all, these are just normal people who need to get paid just any of us. L4D didn't generate much sales compared to development time of the product - and with the continuous FREE support on TF2 don't you think that you owe it to these developers? It's just shameful how many of you can be so self-centred.

Just see this as a stand alone expansion pack, aren't such things done all the time by some other companies? It's just business after all.

[divideby0]

anyone who defends a game being released within one year of its previous games (sports have to be an exception do to the dynamics of sports, and I dont like buying Madden every year), is blind or just has to much disposable $$$.

[111111]

Thats bad character design in L$D2. Bland and boring.
I could come up with ten guys in under a minute who have
all more appeal to them than these.
Also i belive zoey had quite a following on the net.
This game reeks of fail.

[DuneBuggy]

I believe everyone has a right to their opinion,but whats with the swipes at Xbox hardware and commentary from people who hated the first game?

So you dont like Xbox? Whats the thread topic again?
So you didnt like the first game? Whats this threads topic again? Somthing about FANS who are mad??

[Bengoshi-San]

First they insulted the PS3 and said Sony should "trash it and start over again".

I went ahead and bought The Orange Box on PS3 anyway, to show my support for the game, even though it had major glitches and no support. I give props to EA for making it happen on the PS3 at all, bc Valve didn't want it to be released for the PS3 EVER.

Then they release Left 4 Dead for the Xbox360 and not the PS3.

Whatever, that's fine by me, after all I have both systems, but is that really fair to people who only own 1 or the other? No, it's not.

Now they are releasing L4D2 just months after the original was released.

That's not a problem unless you think about the fact that the first game had only a 2 hours single player campaign, so why is L4D2 coming out so soon? Simple answer: They want more of your money. And this also proves that L4D was purposely made as a short game, because their intentions were to milk you for your money to begin with anyway.

I have The Orange Box and Left 4 Dead and I feel disgusted, yet again at Valve and their b.s.

Count me out from now on, I'm not giving them a single penny.

[danielle007]

Exclusives are unfair now? You can't blame Valve for picking 360/PC, it's their system of choice. Other developers pick the PS3, is that unfair?

And L4D2 will be amazing, and whoo bothered to play the single players unless they were going for achievements? I never left my friendss. Coop and then the AI director made it infinitely replayable, plus. there's verses. Which was another whole addiction.. and then survival.. funfunfun.

Anyways, go ahead and miss out on a great game, have fun with that.

[Bengoshi-San]

I didn't miss out on it, I actually do own the game, have played it and enjoyed it.

My point wasn't that OMG, "it's a 360 exclusive and that means they hate the ps3". My point is that they (Gabe Newell in particular) go out of their way to insult the PS3, say that it will not come out for the PS3, then EA releases the game (thankfully), and still when The Orange Box sales have been decent as of today, their stubborn attitude, greed and lack of flexibility has put them in this negative light.

All the B.S. eventually catches up with a company and bites them in the rear end, and that's what's happening here. Sure, call those people crybabies, but there are 20,000 + of them and counting, that's more than a coincidence.

Just because you're a fan of a game or a company that made the game doesn't mean you can't open up your mind and think objectively at the possibility that you are being played.

A "sequel" 6 months after the original? Come on, you know better than to eat that pile of dung....

[DuneBuggy]

"want more of our money" "fairness"..blahhh
Its a business.Valve is not a charitable organization.
Of course they want your money. So what?
Now "fairness"?
Its their decision which platform gets what. If Valve feels its not "economically viable" to write the game for PS3 then so be it.
They shouldnt go into the hole just to be "fair" IMO.
Want to say they made a bad business decision in your opinion? Thats fine,but leave "fair" out if please.

But yes the game is short.Its not Final Fantasy or Resident Evil.It wasnt designed to have a 9-12 hour playthrough then its "done".
Its intent is to replay the same scenarios but is different everytime.
The new one is supposed to take that a step further and lengthen/shorten your pathways in certain areas..... depending on how good/bad your doing.

[Tykis]

Well its kinda wierd that Valve just left L4D 1 so quickly...