Dissapointing Modern Warfare 2 graphics

PS3-Sense writes: "Earlier today a second teaser of Modern Warfare 2 was released with a few cinematic videos of the game. At first it all seemed nice, but upon a closer look we noticed something. The textures of the snow are nowhere to be found and all the other graphics aren't all that exciting either. It's not just us, the entire NeoGAF forums are filled with posts coming from people saying the exact same thing."

[ToastyMcNibbles]

im looking forward to modern warfare 2 just as much as the next guy but i do somewhat agree that it doesnt look that great graphically...i understand its still way too early but judging from the video so far its not that impressive...still cant wait regardless believe you me...i know the graphics will improve but just judging from the video its understandable for some people to think it doesnt look all that impressive...lol haha wait wasnt it Mart that said modern warfare 2 was going to surpass killzone 2 in visuals and show the 360's power?

[JhawkFootball06]

Wow guys, its just a teaser..

[ShabzS]

dirty beaver ... open zone ------>

[Perjoss]

when you play CoD4 it does not take an idiot to see that they spent more time actually making a GOOD game rather than faff around with the game engine. Some companies like Valve (thank god) think its more important for a game to be fun and varied with interesting characters and good event scripting rather than a good looking linear point and click bore fest.

[Trebius]

No one is saying the game will suck cause the graphics are bad...the fact that it doesnt look so great kind of makes some questions surface...

Like, why does the game seem too look the same if not worse than the last? Because they had to make compromises? Or because they rushed it? Who knows?

All we know is the game isn't really up to par visually (the teaser) and people are just wondering why. The game will undoubtedly be amazing, Itd just be nice to know why the graphics were compromised.

[Alcohog]

The COD series was never a groundbreaker in terms of graphics, why would you expect it to be now?

[Halochampian]

Not being able to get it's full potential; same could be said for it being on either ps3 or 360.

I hope I dont need to clarify what I mean. I assume people can understand the point I am making.

Oh and the open zone is that way ---->

Difference of opinion is one thing but there is no room for illogical thoughts and name calling of "turd sixty"

[I_am_rushin]

This Fall/Winter is going to be all M.A.G. for me.

[SL1M DADDY]

If the game makes any leaps over the last Modern Warfare. All I care about is getting to play on some new maps and play more Modern Warfare. The game is just so good that graphics is not as important.

[Kleptic]

MAG looked extremely early, but didn't look a whole lot different than this from what I could tell...

its very clear MAG has a long way to go before release though in terms of polish...so maybe MW2 does too...IW is definitely a great developer, so i'm sure they'll be able to get the game at least competitive with other modern shooters right now...CoD 4 still looks 'good'...nothing overly special, but solid throughout...but the fact that its more or less going to be the same engine as before...we all pretty much know what to expect...

but to anyone that said MW 2 was supposed to surpass Killzone 2 visually...now would be a good time to contact your attorney...

[solidt12]

From the video I saw it looked as good as COD 4. I wasn't expecting it to look better than Killzone 2. Killzone 2 is a PS3 Exclusive so I expect it to look better than a Multi-Platform Title. Either way I can't wait to get on one of those snow mobiles

[iHEARTboobs]

Everyone here cares about graphics. Whether it be a little or a lot, everyone cares. But I don't think everyone here is saying that graphics > gameplay. People are just disappointed that it doesn't seem to be a great graphical jump over the last one. It's too early to really tell how it'll end up looking. I would be happy with MW 1.5 graphics as long as the gameplay was a good improvement over the last MW.

[Labwarriorbot]

People should get a sense of reality and realism. Graphics like KZ2 is almost impossible to do on even a super rig computer.

And yet somehow these delusional fanboys think a multi platform game is going to achieve that level in the same year on less powerful hardware?

L O L

Pulease. Crysis is run at gigs thats costs 3000 dollars and it cant even do HALF the things you see in Killzone 2.

Thats right, graphics is not just the shiny.

But somehow Killzone 2 like graphics is going to appear again soon, right? Not unless its from Sony in house developer, little kid.

[s8anicslayer]

What matters people is gameplay, sure graphics are a bonus but graphics wont keep pulling you to play that game it's the content of gameplay

[darthv72]

Why does every game sequel released within the same generation of the previous installment need to be graphically superior? I can understand subtle touch ups here and there to accommodate for the gained experience from having finished the previous one but come one. We do not need a full generation upgrade (quality wise) to make a great sequel.

A game sequel by definition is merely to continue the gameplay and story and other key factors that made the first a great game. Graphics are but one factor but not the sole one to define it. The firt MW is great in its execution of playability over graphics. TBH...when you are moving about looking for your opponent you should be more pressed about not getting your head shot off than looking at the textures that make up the grass.

People need to get off the image is everything train because there is more to be had from enjoying the gameplay and replay value of a game than its visuals.

[Jaces]

Tell that to the 1+ million people who bought KZ2.

[cmrbe]

Expected MW2 to look much better than MW1 Lets not forget that MW2 is using the same engine as MW1 so people will only see some improvements but not that much. Also considering that its a Multi-plat, it will be even harder for IW to improve the visuals much more.

Its true that gameplay is more important than Graphics. however grepahics is the first thing you see and in this case people are looking at graphics first and are not too impressed.

What will most likely happen is that MW2 will be more of the same with just minor improvements and gamers and critics alike will praise it to the high heaves. It doesn't have to revolutinise FPS. Only PS3 exclusive are suppose to do that.

From this early vid. MW2 has alot of catching up t do to be on the same level as Kz2 visually. I doubt they will ever be able to. KZ2 afterall is a PS3 exclusive.

[AKNAA]

"The COD series was never a groundbreaker in terms of graphics, why would you expect it to be now? "

I don't know about you, but when COD4 first came out I thought the graphics were freakin' awesome!
Now, it looks outdated ever since Gears of war 2 and killzone 2 came out.

@darthv72- "Why does every game sequel released within the same generation of the previous installment need to be graphically superior?"

Blame it on Hiiii-Hi-Hi-Hi-Hi-Hiii-Hi-defi ninition.

[IrishRepublicanArmy]

would blow killzone to away. now maybe it will be better i certainly hope so but it will find it hard to
blow it away when its already behind in terms of graphics!!

[Halochampian]

the first COD still trumps Killzone 2 and most if not all FPS's.

Why does it have to be ahead in graphics to be the better game? there is no reason.

Infinity Ward are AMAZING developers. I do feel it may be the best FPS this year.

Killzone 2 was good, well, the multiplayer aspect of it was.

[Aquanox]

Another Sony boy looking for an excusve to talk about KZ2, PS3 graphics and't nonsense like that.

It awes me people jump into conclusions without even watching a good quality video.

[IrishRepublicanArmy]

and the single player was excellent. itsa online also has none of the laggy problems cod4 has.

[Sarcasm]

I honestly wonder what kind of additions and changes will be for the multiplayer?

I can still hop on to COD4 after all this time and still have a blast.

[Rapture333]

You've got to be kidding me, are people this ignorant to not realize that this is a teaser trailer?! Not made for graphics YET.

[Jaces]

....and yet Uncharted is yet to be surpassed by any game out there, which is pretty sad seeing how long it's been out.

God the PS3 is so complicated and slow, ugh.

/sarcasm

[Raptors]

lol you guys go ahead and gripe about its graphics. Im gonna thoroughly enjoy MW2.

[kwicksandz]

want to know what people love about COD more than its GFX?

60fps - locked. HALO 3 AND KZ2 are both 30fps and feel slow in comparison. Id rather 60fps and acceptable visuals than 30 with the sliders turned up in any FPS.

[GCNSeanFoster]

A 15 second clip and people are already bashing this game. LOL... Are you kidding me? I swear some people need to step away from the computer/TV and get out more and get a life. Just wait until E3 to see the game in action before passing judgment.

[SinnedNogara]

Just remember the game isn't done.

And that means they can add a SMAW, a MGL and a FN SCAR before launch!!

[Arnon]

Rofl.. I don't think you even realize what you just said.

If you are somehow implying that a $3000 Super Computer can not make Crysis look as good as Killzone 2, then you are sadly mistaken. In fact, Crysis DOES look better. What YOU are referring to.. is the art direction. Which I can agree with. Killzone 2's art direction is a lot better than Crysis', since Crysis goes for pure realism.

The pretty graphics you're experiencing are not because the PS3 has some massive CPU in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Sorry.. but imo, the CryEngine completely dominates the Guerrilla Engine.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

(I didn't post it for comparisons... I did it just to show off the engine. Since it's the longest version I could find.

[TheAntiFanboy]

Obviously you know nothing about the difference between developing a game on a console platform. On a console, the game is OPTIMIZED to run on its hardware since it will ALWAYS, GUARANTEED, be the same hardware no matter what. When developing for PC, you not only have to deal with running it alongside a dozen or more processes in the background (including, most importantly, an entire operating system), but also that you have to develop for a wide variety of PC's of varying specs.

Fanboy moron. Just quit the internet and stop using the computers that you know nothing about.

[morganfell]

People did expect MW2 to look a great deal better. All we read around the KZ2 launch was how MW2 would become the graphics crown, blah blah blah. Sheer comedy.

Gameplay matters most but in some cases graphics are gameplay. In addition they bear directly on immersion. There are a certain brand of Sony haters that like to pretend graphics - something concerning which they bragged nonstop until they were trounced relentless PS3 titles - now no longer matter. Guess what? Some of us have a memory.

At it's best COD4 is a relatively shallow experience with the highlight of the game being the incident where you die. Other than that the multiplayer merely requires twitch reaction with little to no tactics involved. Run and gun, shoot die once in a while, rinse and repeat. It is brain candy with a high decay factor where tactics and teamwork only exist as a fairy tale.

[TheAntiFanboy]

Actually, I've been a part of the gameplay > graphics movement ever since I got into gaming about 10 years ago. I preferred the N64 over the PS1 then, the GBA over the PSP as well, and the PS2 over the Xbox. This is something I've been a part of for years. So I have every right to claim gameplay > graphics. Mind you, since I find the 360 and PS3 to be on virtually equal footing, I haven't taken sides in this console war... I think. The Wii isn't a console, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought it was some goofy exercise machine...

All of these great platforms and the experiences they have shown us have proven on multiple counts that the gameplay is far more important than some silly bloom effects and soft shadows. Of course, graphics do matter in the immersion department, but some games can be plenty immersive without having ground-breaking graphics or a great presentation. Fallout 3 looked terrible, yet I felt so truly part of the world because of how fleshed out the characters and the culture was, and how much it changed depending on your choices. Such a dead landscape felt magnificently alive. And all of this despite the meh textures, the so-so effects, the three or four voice actors that compromised the 50+ NPC's in the game, and the animations that made me want to gouge my eyes out.

Not to mention, some games try too hard to be immersive and end up being terrible. Look at Assassin's Creed. You could tell they put a LOT of thought into that game's remarkably solid presentation, and I don't just mean the graphics and effects. I have never seen a game present itself so well as Assassin's Creed; the camera angles, filmography techniques, scene transitions, loading screens, effects... everything. And yet the gameplay, while great on paper, ended up being utterly repetitive and bland, wrecking any of its potential lasting value.

Graphics aren't everything. They're part of the equation, most certainly. But they're not everything. I think this generation has relied far too heavily on graphics in order to justify their purchases of game systems. Whatever happened to beauty not simply being skin-deep?

Though I suppose that in the end it all really just depends on personal choice. Arguing the issue from an academic standpoint may be worthwhile, but everyone has their own preferences, and thus arguing it with quality and enjoyment in mind is moot.

Graphics whores will indulge in their Killzone 2's and Gears of Wars, lorefags will immerse themselves in their Warcrafts and Fallouts, jocks will stick to their Maddens and Fifa's. And you can never change that. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

(Yes, the above were crass generalizations, but I'm trying to make a point here! Leave me alone.)

[morganfell]

Assassin's Creed is a wholly different animal from COD4. One thing is key, AC had more than graphics on which to hang it's hat. COD4 does not. That said the restoration of weapons throughout AC was not enough to keep it fresh as every mission played out in a similar fashion. And as much as a wraith as these Assassins were supposed to have been, every mission became a quite public brawl. Perhaps the bar should have been raised that anyone able to complete every single mission objective would have had a shot at a truly secretive kill.

COD4 has some good mechanics but over all the design degrades the game into a relatively simple shooter. In the end graphics were one of the few things the game has going for it.

[bullswar]

MW2 Graphics sucks ... Come on IW, what uve been doing for last 2 years. I wont let u thug my money. Better Graphics God Damned ... I wish I could write in your language to make u understand.

I need graphics comparitive to Killzone 2.

I cant spend $60.00 on slightly improved or few added perks just release new maps as DLC.

OR DO SOMETHING SO THIS GAME BECOMES GRAPHICS MASTERPIECE. KILLZONE 2 DEVELOPERS DID IT ... SO YOU CAN.

[TheAntiFanboy]

Yes indeed it is a wholly different animal, and you're right, the game did have a lot of flaws, but either you misinterpreted my statement or you're intentionally walking off the beaten path. My point in bringing Assassin's Creed wasn't to begin a discussion about what ultimately led to the game's overall lack of quality, my point was to use it as an example as a game where the developers put too much emphasis on the presentation, and not enough in the gameplay. Which then plays into my argument of, "gameplay > graphics".

Please read my statements in greater detail before responding.

Oh yeah, by the way, I actually thought CoD4's graphics were horrendous. It was too pixelated, the textures were blurry, the color palette encompassed maybe three colors, and the game was in desperate need of anti-aliasing. Despite all of this, I still enjoyed it. Probably because it ran silky smooth and didn't suffer from spontaneous bouts of slowdown. Whether the mechanics were of high quality or not is up to opinion, really.

In response to the following quote:
"COD4 has some good mechanics but over all the design degrades the game into a relatively simple shooter. In the end graphics were one of the few things the game has going for it."

That's pretty much all you can say about any shooter on the market at this point, be it Killzone 2, Gears of War, Call of Duty, whatever. The genre itself is becoming ridiculously stale, and yet it receives enormous focus just because of the pretty graphics.

Again, beauty isn't simply skin-deep.

[DaTruth]

Killzone 2 should not be a part of this conversation; a better comparison would be Uncharted. Being that both were released at the same time with their second iteration due for similar release dates. And what we have seen of Uncharted thus far has been mindblowing, to say the least.

It also fits good into the graphics vs gameplay argument because Uncharted has no sacrifices in both categories. They both use their original engine so it should not be difficult to show us some decent screenshots and videos, which Uncharted 2 has been doing for some time now, bigger and better with obvious improvement where none was necessary. Also a fully functional and graphically incredible beta is near.

So, given that MW2 has been unable to show decent footage as of yet, I would be concerned, but given IW's track record we could probably put those to rest.

And please save the complete changes in gameplay for new I.P.'s! If I wanted to play a completely different game I would buy a completely different game we don't need another R2(where people complain about aspects of the game, they make "Halo: fall of man" and people complain "it lost it's soul"), but minor upgrades are necessary to make it a updated sequel, cause there would be almost no point in buying a new one otherwise(think EA sports).

[actas123]

I LOL everytime I see someone say KZ2 has better graphics than COD4. I really don't see what is the big deal with KZ2 raphics and why ppl are still hyping them even though they are not that great. Surfaces look washed out, limited colors and environments, and it is a recipe for a good headache. Even the sound effects are not as good as some ppl hype them. I mean I liked bad company's SE better. Seriously get over it ppl, KZ2 is not that good.

[aksmashh]

But They Should Of Made It On The PS3 & Then Ported It Down
Because Its Seems That Its Not Going Get Anyway Near Killzone Graphically

Its Going To Sell, Just Look At How Many People Play The Average WAW
For Me Its Going To Be All Down To The Design Of The Multiplayer Maps & Perk System (Ranking Up).

But One Team In This Generation Which Can Pull It Off Is Infinity Ward
Imagine They Let Them Bulid Game Exclusively For The PS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-YLoD-]

No wonder this article doesnt make sense.

It was a trailer for crying out loud. I bet the textures and physics will be improved from the cod4 engine. The cod4 engine still looks good after 2 years

GAMEPLAY > GRAPHICS

[360 man]

ps3 sense are idots.

they already know infinaty ward is going for 60fps smoothness over 30fps detail.

[Alcohog]

Hearing you say that just makes me shudder with sadness at the loss of PC exclusivity for the COD series. Graphics haven't improved at all since COD2 with the exception of some effects. Such a shame.

[Halochampian]

it's sad to see that so many people on hear care about

Graphics > gameplay

I guess you all are still playing Crysis?

[evrfighter]

"I guess you all are still playing Crysis?"

I lol'd

Seriously there's a reason why counterstrike is still played by tens of thousands of people everyday

[Halochampian]

yea.. exactly.

I would take gameplay over graphics any day.

[CoxMulder]

I'll take BOTH thankyouverymuch...

[Traveler]

Guys, I think most people would agree that gameplay trumps graphics. Nevertheless, the optimal situation is when you have great graphics and gameplay. Why do people always make it out to be an either-or proposition? Either a game has great graphics or it has great gameplay...what nonsense. I have played lots of a games that have both qualities in abundance.

I think you guys are reading into things incorrectly. When somebody expresses disappointment over the graphics in MW2 that doesn't mean that they don't think it is going to be a good game. You guys are just jumping to conclusions.

So far, I admit that the graphics don't look that impressive, but they aren't bad either. But I think we need to see more before we can say for sure. In any case, Infinity Ward can be trusted to make a quality shooter and I am looking forward to it.

[Bathyj]

Just because people like graphics, doesn't mean they dont like gameplay.

Its not unreasonable to expect a small improvement in both from a sequel thats had 2 years to improve on the work done in the original.

[TheAntiFanboy]

Gameplay > graphics.

Pretty paintings are often very boring to look at.

Oh, and I for some reason am still the only one who felt both CoD4 and CoDWW were ugly, low-res, pixelated as hell, and in desperate need of anti-aliasing. No seriously, both games look terrible to me. Despite the fact that, you know, they're both really f*ckin' fun.

[ShabzS]

microscope any image thats what you get for snooping... its still a video game ... watching it in motion it looks beautiful ... and it probably still an early build

[Parapraxis]

Agreed, just like Killzone 2 right?
Although most close inspection shots for KZ2 look fantastic as well.

[ShabzS]

killzone 2 is fully developed and on shelves since february... this is a 18 second teaser of a game releasing in november?... my god !!

[Parapraxis]

My point is, people did the same with both games with the first in-game trailers (most games really).
I'm sure MW2 will look fantastic when it's released.

[ShabzS]

i get it

[free2game365]

Why would they promote the game with an early build? It's just a 60fps console game, you can't really expect much out of it visually.

[jkoz]

Uh, why don't we try the simple fact that THE GAME ISN'T OUT YET?! It still has 6-7 months of development and the core focus during that time is refining the game's MECHANICS. Graphics are important and take time too, but they're going to take last priority always. Unfinished products don't need to be held to the brutal graphical expectations of today.. when the game comes out in November everyone will look back on this and just be like, well that was stupid. Because it is. Anything for hits these days.

[Nelson M]

Just not up to PS3 Exclusive Standards

[chidori666]

he... killzone 2 still the best grapcks at now.

edit: 1 disagree?? COOL! i hope bots stiil playng halo 3 in 640p only game i have in years...

[Sanzee]

For half of you, mama must have been hittin the bottle and smokin the crack pipe on a daily basis during the pregnancy.

You're making assumptions about MW2's graphics based on a short *PRE-first-look* TV-SPOT running only 10-seconds long, which in fact was only aired to announce (or tease) the REAL "first-look" trailer coming on May 24th? In other words, the teaser for the teaser. Judging the first-look video on May 24th would be disgraceful enough... but this? Good God, are there no true-gamers left?

[ambientFLIER]

I think they're disagreeing with you because you're a douchebag in general, and not because of what you said in your comment.

[outlawlife]

amazing, the game hasn't even been shown beyond a few seconds of gameplay and some idiot is out to downplay it already

talk about hit phishing

60fps + unparalleled gameplay >>>>>>>&g t;>> frivolous eye candy

who cares if it doesn't look like killzone, a lot more people liked cod4 than killzone

[Sony Rep]

At least it looks better than Halo 3

that's not saying much thou

and where in the article did it mention Killzone?

[Nathan123]

Seriously... The article doesn't even mention KZ2 anywhere. The 360 bots just require something remotely related to KZ2 to bash it up. Is it KZ2's fault that it's the best looking game out there?

If you expected COD:MW2 to have KZ2 like graphics then sorry the game will disappoint all. If it was a PS3 exclusive then it would have been a different case... But it isn't so deal with it.
COD4 was great due to it's online... Not graphics. Expect the same from COD:MW2.

Oh ya... @Outlawlife... I enjoyed KZ2 as much as COD4. I even thought the campaign was better than COD4. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean the people who have bought it don't like it.

[outlawlife]

i was referring to comments above....read

generally cod4 also outscore kz2 on metacritic fyi

general appeal > most anyone's opinion including mine

as for the campaign i have yet to play any fps that has a mission cooler/better than guillie in the mist and the ensuing chase afterward

[Nathan123]

Ok.. so now bring along Metacritic scores. COD4 came out a long time before KZ2. At that time, the online was a revolution. I am sure KZ2 would have yielded similar results if the dates were swapped. Any way does it even matter. KZ2 scores 94 on metacritic and COD4 scored 96.... As if that 2 points difference would shake mountains. COD4 being multi-plat has sold nearly 12 million units... whereas KZ2 has just sold around 1.7 mil in 2 months.. Obviously mass appeal goes to COD4 (and obviously half of them being 360 fanbot bash KZ2...)

As far as I know, KZ2 was a perfect blend of graphics and gameplay. The 360 fanbots might disagree, but the game has raised the bar for future FPSes.... All FPS are going to be compared to COD4 and KZ2 (look... right now people are comparing KZ2 with COD:MW2... this itself shows that it's a successful FPS) deal with it. Just cause you don't own a PS3 and can't play KZ2, doesn't mean that the game sucks.

I reacted to your post mainly cause you pulled KZ2 without any need. Whenever the word 'graphics' pops up, people unnecessarily pull in KZ2 in the discussion. If people were expecting COD:MW2 to be as good looking as KZ2, then they forgot one main fact.... the game is multi-plat. Only PS3 can pull off another KZ2.

[Hoggy1983]

Massive overeaction. The guy simply drew reference to KZ2 because the article is about graphics and KZ2 is seen as a pinacle of this at present. He then makes a valid point that alot of people prefer COD4 to, the very good by all accounts AND GRAPHICALLY SUPERIOR, KZ2. Big deal. You obviously prefer KZ2, thats ok!

[ape007]

it looks absolotely spine chilling and awe inspiring

[No Way]

And, no where did anything mention Halo 3, little buddy.
You're just adding to the "flame" by replying in such a way.

Besides, I'd rather take the fun of Halo 3 over the graphics of Killzone2 any day..
But, then again, I'm one of the weird gamers.. I prefer gameplay over graphics. :O

[aaronisbla]

its as if its required to mention KZ2 with some of you guys, just let it go, we are focusing on MW2 here, not CoD4, not KZ2, and not metacritic.

Its like you have to find a reason to bring KZ2 down because it is indeed one of the most impressive looking titles to hit home consoles "bu..bu..but it has a lower metacritic score than CoD4"
But really, who gives a damn? its only by 3 points and who says metacritic is a good way of judging how most gamers think anyways? Plus the extra 3 points CoD4 got doesn't negate the fact that KZ2 is pretty damn good looking, and generally fun to play.

Anyways, its only a 17 second teaser, maybe it will look better but im not expecting it. As long as its just as fun as CoD4, i will buy it, but i wonder if it doesn't innovate in anyway will it get docked for points in some reviewer's eyes.

[Traveler]

Trying to back up your preference for COD4 by saying that more people play it so that means it is a better game is based on really pathetic reasoning.

For example, far more people have bought Wiis than any other console this generation, does that mean that it is somehow the best console? Absurd.

Face it guys, it comes down to a matter of preference. Which qualities does one prefer? Many of us love Killzone 2 and its particular mix of ingredients (although I love COD4 as well), while some people's taste is best satisfied by COD4.

Also, saying that you are somewhat disappointed by the graphics in MW2 does not in any way equate to "oh, this game is going to be no good". There is no contradiction in a fan saying that they were hoping for better graphics, but that MW2 is still one of their most anticipated games. Got it?

[Hoggy1983]

People need to try and not be so defensive. This isn't a MS vs Sony debate. COD4 and KZ2 are both available on the PS3 and owners can have a preference. I think the key distinction is that bringing KZ2 into the debate was actually flattering and was simply to say "hey, graphics are amazing on KZ2* but, in my personal opinion I enjoy COD4". I'd agree with those lambasting KZ2's involvement here if it was COD4 on the Xbox 360 exclusively but its not plus its a debate about graphics!

*im sure gameplay etc is very good as well!

[Matpan]

"COD4 came out a long time before KZ2. At that time, the online was a revolution. I am sure KZ2 would have yielded similar results if the dates were swapped"

You know... there is an added value in innovation and doing things first than others... It´s part of the merit in game development (in almost every aspect of life tbh)

Anyways... Why is people talking about KZ2 so much?

And why are they complaining about a teaser? I guess that´s what they felt worth showing to the public. There is one totally awful thing about trailers, they say too little about gameplay. So I guess that they can only appeal to the visual aspects criticism. In my book, that´s about 20% of the game´s value. i´ve played tetris for hours and hours on my old Gameboy, there wheren´t much graphics there, yet I had a blast...

But then again, that´s me. Of course I´ll be happy to have both, anyday. But a 10 graphics 8 gameplay game is beaten by a 6 graphic 10 gameplay game to me... So If this one plays somehow like the first MW or better, I´ll get it.

[LittleBigSackBoy]

"who cares if it doesn't look like killzone, a lot more people liked cod4 than killzone"

maybe not, more people bought cod4 than killzone but you don't have to buy a game just cos you like it

[N2NOther]

"more people bought cod4 than killzone but you don't have to buy a game just cos you like it"

I've read this thing like 3 times and I can't fathom what the hell you mean. Why else would someone buy a game?

[LittleBigSackBoy]

I didn't say it right, i mean you can't buy a game just cos you like it. what if you can't afford it

[Steyene]

That still doesn't make anymore sense.

[Christopher]

I mean, seriously? This is where you're going to take your first MW2 article? Graphics? You mean the same people that made COD4 and the same engine used in COD5 graphics weren't good enough for the 10+ million people who bought them and still play them?

[Christopher]

It looks like I broke the first rule of N4G: Don't talk bad about idiotic articles that ignore the concept of gameplay > graphics.

[LittleBigSackBoy]

Just phantom disagrees and gameplay>graphics i don't know why anyone would disagree with you...

[Kushan]

It's probably just one guy with about 5 accounts doing all the disagreeing. You're completely right, COD has NEVER been about the pretty graphics. Hell, the fact that they went for a smooth 60FPS proves that. You could, more or less, "double" how good the game looks at the cost of halving the FPS, but why bother when you can have a nice smooth frame rate and concentrate on the gameplay?
COD4 was, in my opinion, one of the best FPSs released this side of the millennium, it sure as hell wasn't the nicest looking, but I had more fun playing it than anything else. If MW2 is going to be more of the same, then sign me up!

[Traveler]

No, your problem is that you are jumping to conclusions. You seem to think that if someone expresses their disappointment over a game's graphics that they are saying that graphics are more important than gameplay.

What you are saying implies that because gameplay is more important than graphics that people have no right to even notice or talk about a game's graphics. What a nonsensical position to take.

Gameplay is more important than graphics, but all aspects of a game are ultimately important and worth discussing.

[Christopher]

I'm jumping to conclusions? I'm not the one taking a very brief, non-HD, pre-beta build of the game and trying to examine it as if it will represent what's in the final game in regards to graphics.

Want to complain about graphics? How about when you actually get some real video game footage and not some abbreviated small clips used as a teaser?

In essence, people are looking for something to complain about, and that's never constructive.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

I think those guys have just been spoiled by killzone 2. Personally i think the graphics are fine.

I know the feeling though. Everytime I watch some wii gameplay on GT I look at the comments saying "wow those graphics are awesome". And i just think to myself.... "these guys would prolly go blind if they bought an xbox or ps3 lol."

but back on topic. The graphics are fine.

[yugovega]

to me it looked really edgey and the snow was terrible . honestly it was the wrong way to make a first impression. just because the first was great doesn't mean the second will be.

[Sony Rep]

meh... *goes back to playing Killzone*

[OmarJA]

Didn't like the last one but still a good & great game, looking forward for M.A.G. only this year...

[Kamikaze135]

I mean, Killzone 2 sort of spoiled me when it comes to visuals and effects in FPS games - which is a bad thing. Why is it bad? MGS4 spoiled me when it comes to cut scenes....I expect them now to be long enough and amazing animation, lol. Anyway, this is Modern Warfare 2! It's all about the gameplay, not the graphics.

[bigjclassic]

but hopefully they will polish the gameplay enough to make it good. But this is MW this is gonna be the most no0bish FPS to date.
*gets numerous GOTY awards for being no0b friendly, FTL*

[peeps]

I think it's just disappointing cus when cod4 was first shown it looked amazing (and such a step up from the previous games in the series). This short teaser probably doesn't do the game justice though and i reckon they should have waited 'til the 24th till they showed off any gameplay what so ever.

I would have preffered a new engine but as long as it looks as good as 4 (which it is bound too) then it'll still be fun to play. I mean i really enjoy playing socom and that has really 'dated' graphics, but they're nice enough to do the job

[Ju]

Oh, I think CoD4 looked fine for what it was. And I still hope MW2 will improve on that. What I miss the most is damage. In the environment and such. Destruction, better "hit response" (there, I said it) with better character animations, and maybe a better campaign (but this will be another online shooter first and foremost, I assume). Why I also didn't like it because it was just riding the "war on terror" wave. Hope they come up with something less related to real events but is still enjoyable...

So, well, that teaser did not show any of those things, well, don't know about the story.

[Riddicrash]

Why does no one seem to realise that the game doesnt even come out for at least another 6 months, the graphics are one of the last things to be worked on in games (At least so Ive been told), if your going to complain about it at least wait till the game is finished and give it a fare chance!

[criticalkare]

Don't freaking care... I hate these bashing articles they got nothing to write about so they just think of this crap...

[xdye017]

This is a problem will ALL PS3 fanboys. They only see graphics, graphics and graphics. They never admit that CoD4 has better gameplay and multiplayer then KZ2. They only see graphics.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

The problem with what your saying, and, your logic in general is..

Gameplay is subjective to the gamer.I for one can't stand COD4 Multiplayer.I just feel like a floating gun hovering around killing people.

In Killzone 2 i feel like an actual person sprinting, checking corners, feeling every kick-back of that sweet shotgun.

But as i said, it's subjective to the gamer.

[Kamikaze135]

We're all supposed to love the same games you do, right? If not, we absolutely MUST be fanboys, right?

[koouunn]

better graphics dont make a good game. kilzone had the best raphics but it wasnt all that good. it was alrigte, but not that good of a game

[ToastyMcNibbles]

totally agree with canadianguy but for me i was addicted to cod4 multiplayer...awesome times but after playing killzone 2 its so hard to play world at war or modern warfare...it just feels so...wierd its hard to explain...he said it best about feeling like a real person sprinting and shooting...it just has such a perfect feel to it and its so satisfying..i've been hooked...clocked in 65 hours so far and cant get enough

[zaz12]

Killzone 2 has better graphics,better gameplay and better online.

damn Xbots..

[mario888]

The amount of Auto Aim assist in COD makes it so the average gamer can match up against a more superior gamer and therefore it will always sell more. Console games are made a lot easier these days so they can appeal to a wider demographic. Noob gamers swear that COD online is so much better than K2 online and think that K2 controls suck. Theydon't realize there is very little Auto Aim Assist in K2 so it requires more skill to play. Cod is a game of how fast can I pull my gun up and fire or where should I camp and get head shots. The game is fun but for the minority players who want something more challenging like K2 . COD gets stale real fast.

COD is a twitch Game and if you don't know what I mean by twitch game then you are a noob and should continue enjoying COD.

[redsquad]

Wow, dumb comment. Back it up with evidence that "ALL Sony Fanboys" are only interested in graphics or shut your mouth.

[Shane Kim]

Listen xdye, you would have hoped to see some improvments in the graphics with a new installment. This is just the same crap with a new name slaped on the box. Don't get me wrong, I love the CoD games because they always have good cinematic feel, but like canadian said, everything seems to be happening in space. No gravity, no kickback from the guns, the character is just floaty and al over the damn place. Killzone just happen to be one of the best FPS's out there atm. It's just a shame that many jealous people have to bash it just because Sony and GG managed to do the impossible.

[Traveler]

Look, I love COD4 and it used to be my favorite shooter, but Killzone 2 came out and now I like that better. I have both consoles and that is my sincere opinion.

I am looking forward to MW2 as much as any fan, but it is going to have to do something new to really pull me away from Killzone 2.

[PyReX-]

Socom confrontation is a good example of great gameplay and alright graphics

[rayjelic]

I kinda disagree, not to bust shots at Socom. But what they made a big mistake doing,
was making their last game an online game only, The fans was so looking forward to a new Story.

Now if they wanted to do something new then they should of made it a MMO, where it's online coop mission only. but to make it online verses only was a huge failure. Personally I would of just stuck with Warhawk...

But I'm sure they learn from their mistake.
But I will give you a bubble for your terms of graphics.

[Mr Face Creamer]

Its a crappy video, don't tell your actually comparing this as if it was playing in 720p on an HDTV.

Judging from the video, its going to look better than CoD4. Nothing against CoD4 but it had a very ugly surrounding, as in not much objects and textures (same as in KZ2). In CoD5, they improved that adding dozens of explosions going off all together and playing through beautiful jungles. In Modern Warfare 2 it seems they're improving the surrounding and setting.

[The Meerkat]

Its a pre-pre-pre-Alpha build.

:-P

[bullswar]

how the heck u know if it is pre infinity alph build.

[Socomer 1979]

More Please !

[Unicron]

On one hand, it's just a preview with over half a year of dev time left. On the other hand, it looks WORSE than CoD4 and is a terrible first impression. CoD4 survives on its great gameplay, but this looks like a visual regression which is disappointing.

I have faith in IW, but I can see how people, myself included, are questioning their choice in using this as "reveal" footage. Still, I know I'll be buying this game. What they really need to do is make sure they get host migration in their stat and fix the flaws of CoD4, not just put a new coat of paint on it. CoD4 was still the most addictive FPS for me since Goldeneye 007, I hope MW2 does the same!

Also, lol at insecure children who need to bring up KZ2 to either bash CoD or bash KZ2. Pathetic fanboys on both sides, and both acting like victims. So disgusting.

[OmegaSlayer]

I hope the game will be good, even if I think that Infinity Ward has to work really hard.
Graphically the game will be good, but it won't be a KZ2.
60 fps are too much for a FPS (no pun intended)IMHO
Gameplaywise MAG will be big.

But MW2 will deserve more than a chance.

EDIT: Don't use the quality of the video as an argument, since the HD video on gametrailer is quite good, it looks very good and the graphics are not awesome, let's pray it's a pre-pre-alpha-alpha-alpha.

[TomAB]

Ok first it is still early and you shouldn't judge the graphics until it releases but seriously how good did people expect it to look? Its on the same engine as cod4 and its gonna be in development for only 2 years; IW are great developers no doubt but they can't work miracles

[Socomer 1979]

i hope they improve thier draw distances thats all.
im tired of the blur and targets blending into the horrible graphics.
just saying, ive been pretty spoiled lately and the attention to detail is appreciated.

we will see if its just a recycled game. its not like the call of duty series ever had trouble selling. it has been a brand name since the begining.

[dogmeat eater]

To MGO

[themyk]

MGO = awesome. Nuff said.

[ipadsense]

Server is having a hard time coping with the traffic, which is the reason for the broken link. Should be fixed now, so stop reporting.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

you guys are idiots

that is all

[Doletskaya]

Isn't the poor graphics expected?
It uses the same engine as COD4 and COD:WAW.
And there's no doubt that MW2 has not been in development for a long time,given that IW releases one COD title each year.
MW2 is just going to be MW with a different SP and some new modes as well as new maps,maybe some new weapons and perks in multiplayer.
IW won't care if MW2 is a true sequel in terms of graphics and its quality coz tons of gamers are still going to buy it no matter how similar it is to MW.
Even if IW just releases a expansion of COD4 like Halo:ODST instead of a sequel and sets the price of a full game on an expansion,it's still going to sell like hotcakes.

[aaronisbla]

IW doesn't do a CoD game every year....

[Baka-akaB]

I found the teaser cool enough . And poor graphics ? geez people arent spoiled ... especially a few naming killzone 2 and yet dont even own it .

[mcgrawgamer]

drinking the HD kool-aid. graphics only became important when the all mighty sony gods told you they were important. Stupid sheep, it's always been graphics over gameplay. Personally I love my ps3 and the games do look nice, but everyone here has heard the phrase you don't judge a book by it's a cover. the same thing applies to games.

[Rainstorm81]

i think graphics started to matter when this generation started and all of the devs gave us views of what type of games this gen would hold. (Madden Next-gen footage anyone? & KZ2 footage & earlly forza damage footage from MS)
so gamers expect to see games matching that expectation.

Then it doesnt help when sony keeps raising the graphical bar so i guess i understand your comment but i dont see how that is a bad thing.

Always graphics over gameplay??? You cant possibly own a PS3 and believe that. the Playstation brand has been giving great gameplay for years now the graphics match that gameplay.

[DJ]

Which looked identical, btw. Killzone 2 just slaughters the Modern Warfare 2 footage we just saw, which isn't good since the game is releasing in just 6 months.

Multiplatform devs are going to have a tough time if Sony keeps releasing titles that actually use the PS3's power.

[Jdoki]

Well, All Ghilied Up is still a graphically amazing level in my opinion, so if CoD:MW2 is matching that then I'll be very happy.

[devilhunterx]

if they now announce this as a PS3 exclusive, will the XDF still defend it?

[bigrob123]

i liked the 1st codmw when i baught it. but IW could of suported it more than they did specialy the ps3 version no rumble no trophys really killed it for me and they could of done so much more. not taking anything away from the game as it was the best game when it came out but i think theres better games out there now. i actualy preferd bad company to cod4 but thats just me

[hazardman]

Who cares about the graphics..If it plays and looks as good as the original modern warfare i'm happy.

[no-spin]

but MW2 wont jump much in graphics, the 360 simply will not allow it. Its okay if they improve the campaign, i like good campaign in shooters, like the first halo.
What about the physics, animation, lighting, character movement, is all to be seen, but judging by the teaser i see this game as another fun installment without technical breakthroughs.

I sold my MW copy because i know i will buy MW2 and i was not playing it so it was an easy decision) Still, KZ2 MP quality is going to affect my conclusion on MW2, still is very likely that i will buy it.

[iistuii]

On this site, if it's multiformat its crap according to this sad lot. It's a teaser, you can't tell yet for god sake, and if COD 4 MW2 is as good as the first one i'll be getting it. I'm still playing the multiplayer on the COD4 now and it pisses on K2 multiplayer , get over it.If it's not a sony exclusive its just not up to it right lads, especially as the ps3 will get the jaggie version of it, as with most multiformats.

[Nambassa]

it doesnt look TERRIBLE, just not great either. compared to games like killzone 2 and uncharted 2 tho, it looks like a piece of #!@~?* LOL
i have killzone 2 and modern warfare 2 has nothing on it AT ALL. and it probably wont improve in graphics much until it releases. sure the devs were asking fans wat locations they wud like to see in it, and that was less than three months ago!! it'll still b a gr8 game tho!! CAN'T WAIT!

[N2NOther]

I have both games (MW and KZ2) and there is nothing about this trailer says to me "it doesn't look good". I still think the animations in COD 4 look amazing.

[N2NOther]

By all means, disagree. It doesn't make what I said any less of MY opinion. I'm curious if anyone here knows what that word means.

[vagisil]

modern warfare 2, and halo odst are both going to take a major dump on killzone 2!! both of these games are going to kick so much ass.

gameplay>graphics anyways. modern warfare 2 and odst will deliver trust me, it's a long wait til november or so.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I won't call you an "Xbot" or "fanboy". Gaming is all about preference.

Still...if you haven't played Killzone 2 though...please do. It's freakin' AMAZING! The campaign could have been longer, but no real complaints in that department. The multi-player is just...incredible! It took the place of COD4 for me and most of my friends. It's just amazing!

I'm not a big Halo fan...so, I'm not really looking forward to ODST. It just bores me. I need a deep storyline, unpredictable A.I., and memorable environments...at least in an FPS.

Modern Warfare 2 will probably win back the crown though. Infinity Ward has NEVER disappointed me...and I doubt they will this time. They innovate with every game!

[Nathan123]

And MAG will come with it's 256 player online and kick the crap out off any game.. including KZ2,Halo and COD:MW2. I can trust COD:MW2 to pose a challenge to KZ2, but I feel Halo is getting too repetitive.

KZ2 is the first shooter in a long time that accompanies a perfect blend of graphics and gameplay. The game has an awesome campaign which I rate even higher than COD4 and Halo. And the 32 player lag free online also is the icing on the cake. Seriously you must play KZ2 before commenting. Trust me you will take your words back.

I have been a Halo fan, but KZ2 is just awesome... I won't say that Halo sucks or KZ2 rocks, but after COD4, KZ2 is the only decent shooter I have played. It's realistic and intense. I hope COD:MW2 can live to the high standards set by it's predecessor and KZ2...

[PS360PCROCKS]

I said this last night on THIS site and got 2 disagrees! The snow looks like a white painted ground.

[XPC HARDonE]

if it aint a ps3 exclusive then its inferior why cant everyone just get that through their heads

[PStu'rd]

Thats only because the trailer is from the sh1tty outdated console version.

PC>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>360> ;>>PS3

Besides sony faithful shills who are still desperately trying to convince the world that behind the retarded ps3 price there is an actual reason, no one really cares about graphics. And after the KZ2 disaster, no company is dumb enough to just concentrate on graphics and leave the gameplay segment in spider webs.

People rather ride snowmobiles than stare at some boring lens flare effect crap.

[xg-ei8ht]

Strange everything starts mentioning gameplay vs graphics, when what people are going on about are graphics.

COD for me has never had the best graphics, but were always decent.

I doubt that'll change.

It would also depend if they've written new shader routines,can better texture quality, and many other things.

If you love COD, then i'm sure you'll love this regardless if the graphics are the best around.

Did i love uncharted because of the graphics, sure it helps to immerse you into the game, but the game itself has to be a very good one, no matter the graphics.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Um...

I think it'll be just fine.

[Socomer 1979]

So what if people like me think if it's multiplat it's probly crap.
I have a higher standard. I determine greatness at another level.
It's a superiority complex.

Of course I could enjoy some team death match with the codmodern warfare 2 noobs, but Im rather fond of multi objective matches. I have a friend who does not play video games at all. I sat him down with cod4 & he killed 30 guys & had 11 deaths. All thanks to auto-aim so don't blame me or ps3 fans if were looking for our bar to be raised again. Xbox360 fans should just sit back & relax & be happy for what you get. Nobody really wants to know what you're low expectations are.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

After games like Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted, Little Big Planet, and Killzone 2...

...our standards are pretty dang high.

Developers are going to have to really push the envelope if they want to impress PS3 owners. inFamous comes out next week...and I'm pretty sure that's gonna destroy.

That's Sucker Punch's way of saying...bring it on.

[iistuii]

Hasn't played at all and killed 30 guys? anyone who plays regular will know how much crap your talking mate, the auto aim aint that much of a help.Its a class game, great maps.

[XPC HARDonE]

superiority complex - refers to a subconscious neurotic mechanism of compensation developed by the individual as a result of feelings of inferiority.[1] The feelings of inferiority in this specific complex are often brought on by real or perceived social rejection.

so there you have it from the horses mouth

tin response to:

Socomer 1979

[Darkeyes]

I agree as well.A game like KZ2 separates the noobs from real gamers. I didn't even know that Halo and COD4 had Aim assists until I played KZ2 and found how hard it was to target manually. Life was difficult at first... I even started to dislike the game... But as time went on I mastered it... There is this sense of accomplishment everytime I take a sniper head shot now in KZ2... cause it seriously is tougher than games like COD4 and Halo.

Recently I went back to playing Halo and found it was so easy after playing KZ2, it wasn't even a challenge. I hope MW2 takes a more realistic approach like KZ2 shedding the Aim-assist. It makes a game more fun to play even after the initial hardships.But I know they won't... as they want to appeal to the mass market and all the noobs present. Sigh...

[mario888]

Have you ever played Starwars Battlefront Online? The Auto Aim wasn't Assist back then, it was Auto Aim Lock On. On Battlefront servers you had two choices Play with Auto lock On which was a joke. Only noobs played with that option because all you had to do was pull the trigger and the reticle would lock on but again as I have said you had a choice.

Halo came and and changed all this with Auto Aim Assist. COD Auto Aim assist is even worst. But what really makes me mad is they don't allow you to turn it off. All games have a certain amount of Auto Aim but COD is the worst. That's why I keep saying it's a twitch game.

Player that have played Killzone are faced with the question of can I train my eye and hand coordination to be better or should I just put this game down and go back to Halo and COD.

Some people just lack the skill to play Killzone. What's sad is as the new generation of gamers grow up on COD and Halo like games they may not have the skills to play a game like Killzone or are just too lazy to train their Brain to do the aiming.

Playing in Clan Tounaments where you face off against another person face to face is totally different than COD online . If you are good you can move left or right all the while firing and aiming at the same time. You just can't do that with Auto Aim Assist.

There are some issues with Killzone 2 clan matches but it's still the best Online Multiplayer Game competitive No Auto Aim Console Game right now..

[hennessey86]

this game is goin to be amazin no matter what level the graphics are at any improvement over cod4 means its goin to look brilliant anyway

[Cajun Chicken]

Either way, its not going to be a huge jump in that short a time. But where its average, it'll excel in other areas. Can't wait to see the innovation put into this one.
I also think I might be the only person here looking forward to the campaign more than the multiplayer, also I want the return of arcade mode.

[Socomer 1979]

I have a 46" LCD 1080i. Bought it years ago... You better believe graphics are important.
There's no way I'm going to be buying modern warfare 2 if it's the same crap all over again.
I already made that redundant mistake with cod world at war, though I did like the story & co-op was nice but
Multiplayer is stale.

Oh you better believe droids like me will be celebrating killzone 2's anniversary if it's still the game to beat graphically, technically, fully supported & gameplay wise. So far, even though it was a whack teaser, modern warfare 2 can't hold a candle to the killers zone. I'm already waiting to see if battlefield bad company 2 can do it.
But it looks like MAG Is gonna sh1t all over that too.

You see? Higher standards.
Ps3 !

[PStu'rd]

This thing claims he has higher standards yet he is exited about Mag....

The only thing you have are sh1tty double standards

[Shane Kim]

I don't really think PSturd has anything. Except for a life filled with hate.

[iDystopia]

No he's right. PS3 is a joke.

[Traveler]

No, the PS3, along with the 360, is an awesome console. It is extremist fantards like you, iDystopia, who are a joke.

[rayjelic]

Pstu'd, if graphics wasn't so important to you why didn't you stay with the original Xbox? = Oh yeah that's right MFST f*#k yah over and stop making games for that my bad, now go sit down somewhere.

Now iDystopia only joke I see is that bad excuse for an avatar, on a interview himself cliffy B gave PS3 respect for the engine it is so what that tells you?

[TABSF]

got the best one, PC

no 1920 by 1080 here

2560 by 1600 rules the waves

[Pandamobile]

COD4 on the consoles didn't even run at an HD resolution.

960 x 600 with 2x AA. How's that for pathetic.

[redsquad]

And I can't afford a decent enough setup to get those standards on my PC. REALLY pathetic, eh?

[ambientFLIER]

Even at 960x600 it looked amazing on consoles hooked up to a nice HDTV. Get over yourself, it's not all about the maximum resolution. Go back to installing more driver updates and patches on the pc.

[Phantom_T]

People are hating on it over an eighteen second trailer?
It's obviously months from being finished and will end up being drown in polish before release date.,you're forgetting the graphics are most likely only going to get better.
Give Infinity Ward a break,Jesus Christ.

[KrazieBone420]

Everyone needs to just chill, Like people have said its just a teaser. the game is most likely still in pre-alpha or alpha. i am for sure that the graphics are not going to be bad, if anything they will be better. think about it, its infinity ward they are not going to let people down especially with there biggest game. i think the game will look really good like the first one, even a little better than the first one because i am sure that infinity ward has been working on the engine and has tweaked it around.

[CobraKai]

I just want 60fps. That's all. Plus the game is coming in november it's freakin May. A lot will change from now till then.

Plus I thought it looked fantastic

[divideby0]

its aways off, but if its running on the same engine..it will be just slightly better than last COD, which to me is totally played out series.
Anyway, if MAG is released by years end thats what got my attention

[No Way]

Yea.. I'm exited for MAG, too. :)

[capital1player]

name of this article are douchebags! :O

[Slinger420]

You spelled "disappointing" wrong in your headline. It's so obvious that most of these so called journalists are just high school dropouts pretending to know how to write.

[xMAx Sadistik]

WTF..have any of you ever heard of motion blur? They are on a high speed snowmachine...IT'S FAST! That's not jagged, it's blurry! God...If you want to look at the graphics, check out the helicopter scene...OMG!!

[Cheeseknight28]

Jesus Christ people, they've shown one clip (and a 17 second one at that), and people are already ready to abandon the game because "the graphics are disappointing"?

And you guys wonder why people hate this site. It's terrible articles like this that give the site a bad rap. Why do graphics matter so much? As long as it looks remotely good, I'll play the game. It doesn't have to be perfect.

[Traveler]

You act like it is this site that is the problem. Well, if you look around most of us are not saying that it is going to be a bad game. Only a few extremists here or there are saying that. You're getting your panties all in a bunch over something that is largely imagined.

I've said it several times now, that MW2 is likely going to be an amazing experience, regardless whether we see an improvement in the graphics department. Having great graphics is nice, but graphics are only one component of the total package and are ultimately of secondary importance after gameplay.

On the other hand, people all over the net are expressing disappointment over the MW2 graphics. Don't you read other game sites? Why are you acting like it is just N4G? If you don't like this site, don't come here.

Just because someone is disappointed with the graphics, doesn't mean that they aren't big fans of the franchise and eagerly looking forward to MW2.

[Pandamobile]

Interesting for a console site to say something about its graphics, considering COD4 ran at sub-HD resolutions on both the Xbox 360 and PS3.

[smurfie4]

I don't know I guess I've been spoiled by Sony's 1st party. It's like going from eating lobster and crab cakes to meatloaf. It doesn't really matter because people are going to buy the game anyway.

[JeffGUNZ]

haha red lobster? If you think that is good seafood, then I am sorry for you. Hit up a place on the coast of Massachusetts, now that's some good seafood.

[Socomer 1979]

dude, dont worry.

we all used to be xbox360 owners back in 2007 before our rrod's, trust me PS3 is a 5 course meal at a 5 star restaurant. xbox 360 is stale crackers and you pay for crate to sit on and a cardboard box to eat from.

its cool, its just us ps3 fans. you know how crazy we get, hee hee !

[rayjelic]

Yeah those days still torment me.

I'm going scrub those Red Ring off the face of the earth...

[tudors]

the graphics look fantastic IMO, how appropriate that we are getting BS stories like this, just from that short trailer you can see KZ2 got owned.

[no-spin]

From the teaser one can not even say much about how good it is and for you is already owning games, owning KZ2?

Take into consideration the animation, lighting, physics, character weight (not the feather gun in CoD 4 MW).

KZ2 MP has 32 no lag in Huge maps where not even plenty of snipers can dominate because the maps are so huge.

Got milk?

[aaronisbla]

Really? how so?

[marcindpol]

lets all remember this game is still six months away,

other than that ps3 version must look exactly the same as 360, think 360 cannot do better, its maxed out...

thats it

[xMAx Sadistik]

I'll bet some Sony fanboy is running around giving disagrees to all of us standing up for MW2 and then pleasuring himself to his Killzone wallpaper. Sony knows that Killzone got owned in that video and they are now doing damage control!

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

those are monitor resolutions, it doesn't make a difference if the screens only 21" or 19", and plus why would you want to play COD4 in that resolution, the game will show thousands of jaggies on the screen, what I would like to see is a screen HDTV that can do 1080p & 300Hz, I know one company that's done 1080p 450Hz but its not going to come out for a very VERY long time

and I've recently noticed that a lot of PC games tend to look rubbish even though they are meant to be the best looking games out there

[blackpanther25]

graphics aren't everything, but i do hope they fix some things about the guns. Cause my friends and i kill people across the map with p90s all the time and that's just retarded.

Besides that the teaser trailer looks kool to me. I don't know if im gonna buy it, because i'm tired of FPS

[No Way]

Yea.. I'm getting a bit tired of them as well.
I want some more [good] RPGs..

[blackpanther25]

yeah man +bub. I really want some good rpgs

the gaming market is over saturated with fps. So i decided to do what i did with my 360 (which is only focus in playing one type). I sold back all my fps and i just play Killzone 2 for my ps3, halo 3 for my 360, and battlefield for my pc. That's it i not buying anything else besides their sequels.

[Pootangpie]

there's 2 things wrong with the pics and the site for that matter

1. It's a PS3 international only sight that spells biased on all levels

2. The game is in alpha and hasn't even started development those shots are fake

It's funny now sony fanboys are saying The PS3 is more powerful then a High end gameing PC espically cosidering the fact that RE5 and FarCry 2 look way better then KZ2 ROFL

[madjedi]

1 So if the article is from a 360 website, they are bs also, as long as we have a standard for both.

2 Okay retard the game releases in 6 months they most likely have 4 maybe 5 months at most to finish the game and test/debug it.

Late september or mid october the game has to be ready for mass production/shipping, i really doubt iw tries to goes go from alpha to retail game in only a 5 month time frame.

I figure mw2 will be the same as the first 1 with a little bit better graphics and thats it, the mw2 trailer is real and still waiting to see some fing gameplay.

Lastly farcry isn't even in the same league as re5 or k2, i have beaten re5 and k2 several times over, farcry 2 i played for 2 hrs before i sent that boring game back to gamefly.

What ps3 fanboys said is k2 is the only game that comes reasonably close to matching crysis without have a 2000-3000 dollar pc.

[iistuii]

If it was a ps3 exclusive it would be amazing, can't wait, day 1 buy, hehehe gotta laugh, just because it's a multiformat, and everyones gonna be able to play it, it's not gonna be any good, or as good as any sony game. This game is prob gonna be great, and what the ps3 cry babies are upset about, is that as per usual it'll look better ie less jaggie, (my pet hate on ps3) on the less powerful 360 AGAIN.... and yes ive got a ps3 for exclusives only, as everything else on it is poo.

[Traveler]

I really haven't seen that many people saying they aren't getting this game or that it will suck. Most people are simply saying that they were expecting a little more from the graphics. In fact, a lot of people have gone out of their way to say that although the graphics aren't that impressive that the game is going to be awesome and they can't wait to get it.

It seems some people like to exaggerate and build straw men that they can get their panties all in a bunch over.

As I have said about 10 times now in the threads on this subject, MW2 is almost certainly going to be amazing. Infinity Ward have a well-established reputation for making excellent shooters and we have no reason to think that this one will be any different.

Nevertheless, some people are going to talk about the graphics, because graphics are indeed a fairly important aspect of a game and until we have more to go on in terms of gameplay gamers are going to talk about the aspects they have to go on. It is absolutely normal to do so. Gamers do it with every game, so quit being so sensitive.

[no-spin]

"If it was a ps3 exclusive it would be amazing, can't wait, day 1 buy, hehehe gotta laugh, just because it's a multiformat, and everyones gonna be able to play it, it's not gonna be any good, or as good as any sony game."

Do you know why that is a possibility?
PS3 exclusives are not about complying with the standard, but exceeding it. Proof: KZ2 32 players MP in high quality visuals. Uncharted, MGS4, GT5 16 cars in the race, 1080p, 60fps, LBP.
Gamers praise PS3 exclusives because they deserve it, its not unconditional love of blind fanboyism. And why does it bother you that others praise their favorite games? And now every non PS3 gamer expects PS3 gamers to be satisfied with lower quality products when for $60 Sony is delivering the highest quality games on the PS3 (or in consoles for that matter).

My point has nothing to do with MW2, but the reality that when Sony announces a PS3 exclusive, we the gamers are anxious to see what will they push the boundary next. For example MAG 256 online players, WTF! and we are supposed to ignore that and praise sub quality PS3 products that tends to be what happens with Multiplatforms.

I see little doubt about multiplatforms being inferior to PS3 exclusives in many areas. If anyone thinks otherwise please specify.

[No Way]

This site has been strange the past few days..
Everyone has been getting disagrees.. and for nothing. o.O

[air1]

you sony fanatics are dumb. real gamers know that graphics age b4 game play. not every game has to be kz2 graphics. hell, have you ppl played the wolverine game? the graphics in the game are not all that but game play is great and i will choose that over graphics any day.

i have a 50" samsung lcd with a 100,000 to 1 contrast i want great graphics all the time like kz2 but i would give up the graphics a notch for a better story/gamplay. i mean c'com does a planet so far away have to have humans just like us? we are on another planet in the future and have no future like guns? like lasers and sh!t?!

i was disappointed in kz2, im sorry but all that time and they couldnt come up with a better story? it's a shame cause graphics meant nothing last gen when the xbox handed the ps2 its as$. but now all the sudden if it doesnt have killer graphics its said to be garbage..

[cantfindaname08]

Don't get me wrong here but all im saying is for the amount of support we have given this developer and the amount of money they got from the series, they should SHOULD be able to KILL the graphics of this game. I mean, killzone 2 did it, why can't they do it.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

What did Killzone 2 do?

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

I swear when are people going to understand that gameplay triumphs over graphics.

[Traveler]

When are people going to understand that just because someone talks about a game's graphics that they are not saying that graphics are more important than gameplay?

Gameplay is, of course, more important than graphics. Nevertheless, graphics are one of the major components of any game and when people don't have much to go on in terms of gameplay of course they are going to talk about what they can see--namely graphics.

What is so hard to understand about that?

MW2 is almost certainly going to be awesome, but that doesn't mean that people can't look at what they have just been shown and discuss what they think about the game on a graphical level. They have done it with every other game that has ever been released, are you going to be so sensitive and defensive of this game that you are going to tell people that they can't do the same with this game?

COD4 MW was awesome and MW2 is likely going to be awesome as well, but people still have every right to discuss what they think about what has been shown of the game so far.

[specialguest]

Hell, I'll take decent acceptable grahics if it means 60fps anyday. 30fps is sooo 2008 and 2 months ago.

[Midgard228]

cod never had good graphics, i saw pixels everywhere, the games just fun which is wat counts

[JeffGUNZ]

These pictures, that everyone is debating about where taking from a CAMCORDER taping the TV commercial. First off, this isn't GAMEPLAY, it's IN GAME CINEMATIC. Plus, the pictures are being recorded and still-framed from a camcorder. People, stop picking apart a TEASER trailer. When E3 roles around, everyone will be impressed. This game was never meant to be the BEST GRAPHICAL GAME. It will look like CoD4, but upgraded. That's perfect. The game was developed in 2 years, what do you expect? When we actually see real videos from E3, then we can start discussing this topic, but for now, it's pointless.

[Xeall]

This article be TROLLIN for comments

[Xbots play games]

I'm saving this article forever..just to read all these comments after MW2 drops..because we all know..even with all the hate..and comparisons..

Modern Warfare 2 is about to EAT Killzone 2 ALIVE! Infinity Ward has continually developed nothingv short of gaming CRACK this generation. Killzone 2 failed at the one thing that Halo 3 and Call of Duty get right everytime..FUN!

This article means about as much as a grain of salt on a beach...the trailer was an amazing tease..I can't absolutely FREAKIN' wait for E3. Modern Warfare 2 will be the #1 selling game in 2009..Xbox 360 fans will buy it in droves...life is good..PLEASE PLEASE go back to K2..in fact..try to convince some people to actually buy it..we will be completely fine..OSDT and MW2..09' year of the FPS

[Traveler]

Even if MW2 gets nothing but 94 or 95s that still isn't that much better than the scores Killzone 2 received. Hardly eating Killzone 2 alive, as you naively claim.

Oh, and Killzone 2 is plenty fun. I play it all the time and I love it. Just because you apparently can't have fun with something unless it is on your precious 360 doesn't mean that it isn't fun. COD4 is fun for sure, and so is Halo 3. Although I wouldn't say I like Halo 3 as much as games like COD4 and Killzone 2. But that is just my taste and I would never be so ignorant as to say that those games aren't fun.

And since you are being such a fanboy I will just point out that PS3 owners (whom you obviously despise so much) will get to play both Killzone 2 and MW2.

You're the one that seems filled with hate...

[Too_Hyped]

Killzone 2 will stay the best online shooter if they don't improve that quickly...

Still, if you're a 360 only owner, it's better than Halo 2007.

[Lord Vader]

gameplay > graphics.

[Sanzee]

I can't believe this guy really posted an article on Modern War 2 graphics. Ecspecially a negative one. The game isn't even out yet. We haven't even seen screenshots yet. 2 teasers with few details.

Holy sh*t people, are you truly going to debate over this? A few of you b*tching have made some descent points on game graphics, but they sure as f*ck don't belong here. You guys are relentless. You're a disgrace to the gaming community.

[pwnsause]

Modern Warfare 2, just like its predecessors (COD4, COD:WAW) runs at 60fps, the downturn is that it takes a hit in graphics and of course will probably run at sub-HD (unless you have the PC version with a Crazy rig). Im fine with that. but still, this is a teaser, don't judge it yet.

This game shouldnt be compared to KZ2 anyway, since its a PS3 exclusive, which took %100 advantage of the system. plus KZ2 runs at 30fps at 720p. amazing graphics, the downturn is it looses a sold 60fps framerate, so its locked at 30fps.

[Bxknuckles]

Way too early to say anything about graphics.

[gamingparadise]

@ above
I know right? I was checking out the trailer earlier today and yeah, the quality was crap because of whoever recorded the teaser. Can't believe some douchebag in response just wants some hits by writing this completely useless article criticizing Cod graphics based on a crappy recording? I LOL at the reviewer. He doesn't even know what the hell he's talking about. Anyways, Modern warfare 2 is going to be a nice addition to the franchise.

[oldsnayke]

Take the finished product of MGS4 and compare it to the first trailer shown at E3 2007. Huge difference. I am sure this product will be very different once it is done.

[DFresh]

I'm still gonna buy the game and play online.
I think we're only looking at Preview Code it's not the final product.
Wait till E3 and we'll see what happens.
I was right though in the past about the graphics not being that much better then COD4.
Maybe.
Infinity Ward will add a few updates, change the story a bit, add something new online, and call that a finished product.

[Amplitude]

1. 360 takes the lead

2. PS3 comes out, everyone hates it

3. 2007-2008 don't go so well for the PS3 despite Uncharted, Motorstorm, Warhawk, EoJ, etc etc.

4. Q4 2008-2009 roles around and MGS4, Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, GT5, inFAMOUS, etc start proving that 360 exclusives and multiplatform games are nowhere near the quality of PS3 exclusives.

5. PS3 hate ends

6. The 360 fanboys start shrinking, but the ones that remain change into the wii fanboy argument saying that "TEH GRAFFIX DUNT MATTER. ALL WE WUNT IZ GAMEPLAY" (Even though you all blatantly constantly stated that CoD5 and Lost Planet 2 would kick Killzone and Uncharted 2's ass in the graphics department)

7. Rather than admitting that they're all WRONG and just cheap little impatient d!cks that couldn't wait the year for the PS3 to be released, they continue to argue.

8. Wonder what'll go here...

[Henry Cain]

Everyone on here knows when you make a sequel to a game its suppose to improve on gameplay as well as graphics. To all the 360 fans you know you want a better looking game than KZ2 just so you can say I told you so to the PS3 owners. If you didn't why do you all claim that Gears of War 2 looks better than KZ2? Or how about when I read how Alan Wake looks amazing. Better yet when a multiplat game comes out this site fills up with comments on which version looks better. Everybody wants improved graphics so stop fronting like you don't.

[keysy420]

im not getting a game that doesnt have major advancement the graphics need to be there to compete with other top notch games

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

SDF out in full over this one, this game must put fear into those rusty hearts.

[GEESE]

At least this game will run at 60fps and be GOOD to play.
Halo3, killzone2, Unchated, Gears etc...30fps and boring.
Cod4 was a great game to play, did not look the best, but played beautifully. And this will too.

[DiffusionE]

this isn't Crysis and it never will be....just quit the linear gameplay and immovable objects, add more destructible environment with a solid story and i'll take it over Crysis anyday....

[I am Legend]

graphics probably won't surprise me anymore this gen the way I was amazed when I saw Fight Night 3 on a damn HD for the first time. Wow !!!!

Just as long as it looks good though...I'm sure it will.

[BobbySaget]

I think alot of you, especially PS3 Owners, mistake "realistic" with the overuse of random shaders.

The snow portrayed in these pictures looks almost identical to real snow. However you (ps3 owners)think the snow must be shiny, bloom in light, blind you when you look at it, sparkle, dance, hypnotize, change color, squirt gold, scream compliments, and crap exclusives.

You guys are so useto a machine that intentionally floods its users with unimportant and unrealistic effects in order to prove its "worth". This has severely skewed your perception.

Call of duty has always been amazing, especially the Infinity Ward versions. This game will no doubt be amazing, and have amazing graphics. OKAY, so maybe the you wont have overexposed lighting like KZ2,and maybe everything on the map wont have specular shine like Unhcarted, but in my opinion (fact) this makes the game better looking.

My biggest issue with any graphics are AA and AF, because the only thing that draws me from the gaming experience is seeing JAGGIES and the blurring of distant textures.

COD4 is currently the best selling FPS on the PS3, and i have no doubt COD6 will follow in its footsteps. I suppose KZ2 is decent, i play on the weekends, but it cannot even compare the the experience i have had with COD.

[Senden]

Far as i'm concerned, if the graphics of modern warfare 2 bothers anyone, go buy a state of the art pc, crysis and stfu! I for one, would rather have developers spend their resources creating a much more fun detailed experience than focusing on the eye candy.

[pete2711]

The footage was made using gameplay from an X-Box

I'm not worried the graphics will be bad =)

[Ve3tro]

The video was heavily compressed, you will notice the same with the original COD4 teaser.

[Dante43]

Although KZ2 had best graphics ever for now, I have to admit COD4 was way more fun, the online is amazing, storymode was long and good.

[mario888]

Killzone 2 set the bar for FPS. Lets see what Infinity Ward brings.

I really doubt they can push COD anymore becasue it's a multiplatform game.

[PtRoLLFacE]

this is stupid lol blame 360 and ps3 for not having stronger video cards, well just like CoD4 and 5 , they both look way better on pc, and moderm warfare 2 is not going to be different so for all those graphics wh0res out there, if you want better graphics the pc version is 4 u

[Droid Control]

rubbish!

[NickyFinn]

if i had a pc capabale of runnin it belive me i would!k/m PWNS for fps's
anyway GAMEPLAY>GRAPHICS!!

[JustV]

I think the reason of all games now. We tend to compare it to the best graphics out there now. So far almost all FPS games has been making everybody comparing unconsciously to Killzone 2! But in fact, the actual games are not that bad of graphic at all! But, I would have to say that all developers should at least meet that graphic by now:) or at least have a goal to beat it:)

[llMurcielagoll]

I am buying this game anyways and the graphics seems nice and their not disappointing to me. Also the gameplay for this upcomming game will be awesome!

[Hayabusa 117]

1. The game is a couple of months away. The graphics are not going to improve considerably from what they are now. get used to it.

2. It's a teaser. Let's see what it looks like in-game.

3. COD has never been amazing graphically. I don't know why so many people who seem to think COD series looks amazing.

4. COD4's graphics were good. Nothing ground breaking.

5. It's snow. I don't get it. Does it need to be whiter or something?

As s wipes.

[-IronMan-]

Blame the 360 for the disappointing graphics. If this was exclusive to PS3 will look fantastic.

[Kashadoo]

.......What?!

Tun-dun-du-dun- duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...

What the hell are you, boy?

[shysun]

lol its a teaser....

[_Q_]

The first was a great game but I started out more into RPGs and Action adventure games as a gamer. Now that there is more Adventure and RPGs out, I'm not caring about shooters as much. Hell KZ2 is enough.

[na2ru1]

Really really good particle effects, smoke from bullet impact, decent but standard lighting and 60fps gave it the realism it needed.

IW took a much different approach than other devs and concentrated on those factors instead of textures and pixels. I hardly noticed the sun HD resolution since it is anti-aliased.

They probably thought to themselves, "what ACTUALLY makes a game look real?" The answer would probably be not too technical.

[Razasharpz]

Game looks like fuk1n ass.