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Numerical Analysis of the History of Sony/Microsoft Third Party Exclusivity

GameStooge's Jordan Lund reacts to John Koller's claim console third party exclusivity is dead.

Excerpt: "Sony hardware PR man John Koller has come out and admitted that console exclusivity is dead - well, third party console exclusivity is dead at any rate. He correctly ascribes it to the high development costs of this generation. Third party developers simply can't sustain the costs if they solely support one platform.

This is most likely why two-thirds of all Playstation 3 games - 213 of 317 titles so far - also appear on the Xbox 360.

Of course, this is a problem the 360 doesn't seem to have. Those 213 multi-platform games are in a pool of 605 Xbox 360 and Xbox 360 Live Arcade games. This brings the total percentage of multiplatform titles down to just 35% of the Xbox 360 library.

So how does Microsoft get away with it when Sony cannot?"

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- Ghost of Sparta -5910d ago (Edited 5910d ago )

Reality - Microsoft paid millions for Ninja Gaiden 2, Tales of Vesperia, BioShock, and Eternal Sonata to be exclusives. What was the point the point in that? They're still arriving on the PS3 with exclusive content.

Sony on the other hand, doesn't buy exclusives. They buy developers. This is why they have more games. While Sony's buying developers, Microsoft are shutting down their down and buying DLC + expansion packs. R.I.P Ensemble.

OmarJA5910d ago

Bubbles for stating the Facts my friend, unfortunately some ignorant peoples here are ignoring them...

Baka-akaB5910d ago

How do people even disagree with you i wonder ?

If you're an xbox you're happy that MS put that much money there , as they maybe should ...

If you're a sony nuts , then you're either happy Sony focus on their own properties or cursing them for letting some games go away to be exclusive or multiplatform , and then it remains the truth .

And if you dont care about either side particularly and are neutral , then the magic this is , the statement remains true .

soxfan20055910d ago

"Sony on the other hand, doesn't buy exclusives."

I guess Konami, Ubisoft, etc. make PS3 exclusives for free out of the goodness of their hearts.

Capt CHAOS5910d ago

money into downloadable exclusives.

Anon19745910d ago (Edited 5910d ago )

I'm not a dumb man by any stretch of the imagination but I'm having a bit of difficulty trying to figure out what the point is here.

First off, John Koller didn't say exclusives were dead. He pointed out "that console software “exclusivity” was a last-gen concept, and that higher development costs have forced game-creators to become platform agnostic."

Any arguments here? Of course not. Developers don't have a ready audience of over 100 million to sell to anymore (unless they're still making PS2 games) so they spend a bit more on multiplatform games to widen their customer base.

So, you then point out that 2/3 of Sony's library is 3rd party, multiplatform. Sure. Then you say that only 35% of the 360's library is multiplatform. Ok...that seems kinda off but whatever.
Then you start talking about this being a problem.

Ok, that's where I have to stop you and say "What?" How on earth is this a problem? You then start to analysis this "problem" and talk XBL Arcade, and lack of demos...what on earth are you talking about? I don't see what this issue is we're supposed to be buying into. Did I miss something?

You also mention PSN games not having an audience. Again, what? What gives you that idea? Where did you get the notion that there's something wrong with sales over PSN?

So, to recap, WTF?

IdleLeeSiuLung5909d ago (Edited 5909d ago )

I could care less if a game is exclusive or not. What I care about is if the types of games I want to play is available!

Let's put it like this, on the top of my mind Bioshock (turned multiplatform), Rainbow Six Series, Call of Duty series, SF IV, Lost Planet (turned multiplatform), Resident Evil 5 and the list goes on. What is common about all these games? They are in my opinion all great games and all multiplatform. So I don't care if the games are multiplatform or not!

Why is it so important for games to be exclusive other than ammunition for fanboys?

On the other hand, there aren't too many arcade type games I like to play (they are abound on Xbox Live) so the list of games for the 360 is really smaller when you count them out. However, XNA should add a bunch of junk games as well... Is there even a good XNA game out?

rockleex5909d ago

Instead of spending money to KEEP a 3rd party title from going multiplat, they rather let more people get to play that game... all the while spending that money on making MORE games for PS3 gamers to play.

Its not like FFXIII, Tekken 6, etc, became exclusive to the 360. PS3 gamers did not lose any games.

This means 360 gamers get more games to play, PS3 gamers don't lose any games, and PS3 gamers get MORE games to play too!

Why are people even complaining about this? O_o

Would they rather prefer Sony to spend money on keeping those 3rd party games exclusives? That means less PS3 1st party titles, which means both 360 and PS3 gamers get less games to play!

How could anyone possibly want that? Just so they can claim "Hah! We get to play Tekken 6 and you don't"?

Fanboy nonsense is beyond my understanding... -_-"

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Pennywise5910d ago

A lot of those 360 exclusives came along when the 360 was the only console on the market. Even after the ps3 came out devs were already making games for the 360 that never made its way to the PS3.

doctorstrange5910d ago

this article seems to think that only the games that are multi platform on the ps3 are multi plat on the 360. therefore the article presumes every game made in the year before the ps3 was released was exclusive to the 360 and that there were no multi platform games on the 360 that are not on the ps3 like gears of war or braid.

fishd5910d ago

What is the benefit in Sony spending money on 3rd party exclusives for us,gamers?

Sony could have spent some money to prevent say Re,DMC,FF from being on 360,but know with that money being put in 1st party devs we get RE,DMC,FF *AND* motorstorm, Killzone,Uncharted,etc etc

So that's fine in my book

xabmol5910d ago

That's why I say,

Sony + Games = Games + Sony Games

MS + Games = Games

yoghurt5910d ago

Sony have done well here, I for one was gutted when Tekken went multiplat, when FF when multiplat - but as people are saying, Sony has invested heavily in Devs and we now have some amazing 1st party games coming out, which more than makes up for less exclusives. Good one Sony

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Sony, What Happened To Wipeout?

Will we ever see more of Sony’s futuristic racing franchise?

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PSNghost882136d ago

Better question. What happened to Ridge Racer? LOL

darthv722136d ago

That's better suited to ask Namco, not Sony.

Forn2136d ago

Better question, what happened with Motorstorm?!

darthv722136d ago

I would absolutely LOVE a motorstorm collection. All 5 games in one package.
Motorstorm
Motorstorm Pacific Rift (my favorite)
Motorstorm Apocalypse
Motorstorm Arctic Edge
Motorstorm RC

himdeel2136d ago

Sony Liverpool was shut down, that's what happened. Ask harder questions.

DillyDilly2136d ago

Better question what happened with Twisted Metal ?

KickSpinFilter2136d ago (Edited 2136d ago )

Ya that would be awesome but highly unlikely, it’s a little messed up while Driveclub started out lousy all the server and updates ended up making one fabulous racer. Developer was able to turn around Days Gone into a pretty good game not sure why Driveclub did not get that chance also

neutralgamer19922136d ago

sony has way too many IP's that's what happened

King_Noctis2136d ago

Even better question, what happen to Twisted Metal?

So many great exclusives that I hope Sony bring back for the PS5.

jivah2136d ago

Why get a motorstorm collection that will look like ass when we can get a new installment properly developed that will have brand new maps, vehicles and mechanics as well as legacy ones.

VTKC2136d ago

wow imagine if they did a motorstorm with VR compatible like wipeout! Would be insane! With all the dirt and mud flying in all directions and looking to the side or any direction to see the other competitiors while racing around the track and the sense of speed when you decide to hit the nitros! They got to do this!

Sevir2135d ago

Evolution shut down after Driveclub didn't make money.

The Wood2135d ago

Who owns the ips for motor storm and twisted metal? Can't they be reborn

Forn2135d ago

I should have stated that I already know Evolution was shut down. Despite that, Sony could give the IP to another studio if they wanted. I realize that Apocalypse didn't sell very well, but that was due to circumstances beyond Evolution's control. I feel like Evo should have at least started this gen off with a Motorstorm series remaster before they went on to Driveclub to help get their feet wet with the new hardware. Might have helped them be better prepared in creating Driveclub.

dumahim2135d ago (Edited 2135d ago )

better question, why Motorstorm?

/Drax

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S2Killinit2136d ago

What happened to Wipeout is that the games only logical and natural evolution involves VR. Which Sony has already introduced to test out people’s reaction. If enough people are actually interested, then we will get the next Wipeout. Otherwise I think there are a lot of people out there who remember the franchise fondly, but wouldnt be will to fork out full price for it. Lets see if Wipeout VR will turn the franchise into its glory days when the fast paced racer was a unique offering.

Simple really. Nothing happened to it except time.

LoveSpuds2136d ago

The first PSVR experience I had that made me feel dizzy and nauseous, I was pretty gutted about it because it looked amazing and very immersive.

quent2135d ago

Not everyone cares about tedious VR, how's Psyognis doing these days btw ?

S2Killinit2135d ago

Not everyone needs to care. Not everyone cared about games either. But here we are.

FinalFantasyFanatic2136d ago

I would love a new Ridge Racer, but the series has fallen off the earth somehow.

fr0sty2135d ago

Wipeout is in great shape, finally released in VR, the way it was meant to be played.

PressPlayBros2135d ago

RIIIIIIIIIDDDDGGEEE RRRAAAAAAAAACEERRRRRRRRRR

Matrix62135d ago

I'll do you one better, Why is Gamora?

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IRetrouk2136d ago

They shut down the studio that makes the game.

DaDrunkenJester2136d ago

How dare they. What happened to Motorstorm?

0hMyGandhi2136d ago

I really miss Motorstorm :(

NiteX2136d ago

They also shut down that studio and most of them went to Codemasters that made Onrush which sold horribly.

DaDrunkenJester2136d ago

Aww man, what about the Twisted Metal and Warhawk devs? Are they still around?

KyRo2136d ago

I miss Motorstorm too. I miss cinematic racers in general. Split Second, Motorstorm Apocalypse, even NFS the Run. Racing with earthquakes, avalanches, tsunamis, police, bombs etc was thrilling. No everything is a boring sim/semi sim. We ain't allowed fun with racers anymore

KickSpinFilter2136d ago

What happened to Crackdown 3?

DaDrunkenJester2136d ago

@kickspin

It got made and released? Lol what do you mean?

Sevir2135d ago

Driveclub Developer Evolution shut down because Driveclub didn't make them money.

They were planning on supporting Driveclub while also working on a new Motorstorm. That got scrapped after DCVR update released and the chopping axe came down on the studio.

They went on to become a Codemasters's subsidiary called "Evo"and put out Onrush, which was a spiritual successor to Motorstorm. But it sold horribly and Codemasters shuttered Evo for good.

Bad management from the get go of The PS4 generation. Lead to a great team being liquidated. :(

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King Nezz2136d ago

They lost me with that decision.

IRetrouk2136d ago (Edited 2136d ago )

Have you got a point or is it just a wee trolling session mate?

DaDrunkenJester2136d ago

Just a little bit of trolling, but in all honesty I do love these games and it is a shame they aren't around anymore.

IRetrouk2136d ago

Personally didnt like wipeout, just couldn't get into it, I'm sure if there is a demand a new one will be made, who knows what they have planned.

DaDrunkenJester2136d ago

I loved the collection that recently came out and then coupled that with some PSVR support made it even better.

IRetrouk2136d ago

Glad you enjoyed it man, I hope they make another for the fans, nothing worse than really wanting a game that isn't coming.

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Exvalos2136d ago

It got a complete remaster and vr support, soooooo what you talking bout Willis

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Gran Turismo 5, Gran Turismo 6, Wipeout HD, God of War 3 and more running on PC via the latest RPCS3

DSOGaming writes: "It appears that the best Playstation 3 emulator that is currently under development, RPCS3, received a new update recently. kd-11 has implemented new Surface Cache fixes to RPCS3 that reportedly improve the appearance of car reflections in Gran Turismo 6, and fix various graphics glitches in other games."

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gangsta_red2165d ago

If someone out there in internet land could make a decent PS3 emulator imagine what Sony could actually do if they put the time and effort in to make this happen for their next console?

It's definitely not impossible as we can see here. It should definitely be done since BC seems to be very important to Sony this next gen. Imagine PS+ free game offerings from Sony that could include the whole catalog from the PS console family..fantastic.

Silly gameAr2165d ago

Why waste time and money on it? Some people want to move forward, not go back.

Eonjay2165d ago

It's not a deal breaker but having the feature would be amazing. I would rather have it than not have it.

gangsta_red2165d ago

Not everyone feels that way and if Sony is making an issue of supporting PS4 games for PS5 why not support their other past games for people who still have them or a means to buy them and play them.

KwietStorm_BLM2165d ago

You literally just said some people. So I'd imagine you can comprehend that there's a larger subset of people not in that same "some" group. PlayStation used to be known for backward compatibility. Xbox made a big deal about support for their entire catalog. What's the issue with PlayStation, who has an even more substantial history in gaming, tapping into that market? We don't have this problem on PC. It's only a good thing for consumers to be able to bring their games with them through generations on console.

Silly gameAr2165d ago (Edited 2165d ago )

@kwietstorm

Yes, I said some people. What I said was MY opinion. I'm one of those people that couldn't care less about bc, but im not saying ALL people don't care about it. I think they should spend that time and energy for future features and games, but like I said, that's only my opinion.

Imortus_san2165d ago (Edited 2165d ago )

Not every body trows their games way every time the new gen cames along, and everybody that likes games like to be able to play their favorite games in the best possible way.

PS: Retrocompatability is the most requested feature in Sony Foruns, even Sony said so.

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frostypants2165d ago (Edited 2165d ago )

The question is would the return on investment be worthwhile? Are the number of additional consoles PS3 BC would push be enough to justify the cost of developing the emulation (and it would have to be bullet proof)? I like the idea of having it, but for my part not having it won't effect my purchase decision.

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Eonjay2165d ago

You are asking the right question but the wrong way. For me, the addition of PS3 BC would add value as a customer and make it even more likely for me to buy a PS5. If it is valuable to the customer it is valuable to them.

Also, the way they are doing it would be way cheaper than a program like Microsoft had. The are emulating the hardware. Not the software.

gangsta_red2165d ago

"The question is would the return on investment be worthwhile?"

Sony could definitely make some extra profit selling PS3 games through their marketplace (the same way they have their other classics available). It's not about whether or not it will effect anyone's purchase decision, it definitely didn't do so for the PS4. But as others have expressed, it would be a nice addition to have for PS5 if Sony could open up their whole library digitally and physically to users.

ShadowWolf7122165d ago

Racing games should be some of the easiest to emulate and they're still not hitting 60fps with it, to say nothing of image flickering and occasional sound issues.

Still gonna be a bit yet before they have it fully up and running, it seems, and even then it may only work for part of the library. :/

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Gwiz2165d ago

Is it possible to have PS3 emulation on PS5?yes depending on what kind of power it really has.
An i7 9700k is no slouch and the PS4 already has a God of War 3 running much better with less
power required because they converted CBE to X86 which is not something you want to be doing in the long run.

What power would be required to play these games emulated at said PS4 version?.
It's not an easy situation Sony themselves created and ultimately I believe they are happy this way because they
want you to use PSNow,that service is why you will not even get it. (let's not forget that it was a huge investment)

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GameEnthus Podcast ep351 Appreciate Harder or Chlorine Constraints -

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