Gears 2 boss: I play Killzone 2, but I don't like Dead Space

VG247: Yes, it's true. Rod Fergusson, executive producer of Gears of War 2, is a Killzone 2 player. We know because he told us.

[morriss]

I reckon Gears 3 will “borrow” some gameplay elements from Killzone 2. I know one’s a 3PS and the other an FPS but still, there are some good ideas in Killzone 2 and I’m sure Fergusson can see that.

[DelbertGrady]

Name something. All I can think of is that they took the cover system from Gears and made it 1st person instead of 3rd. Not exactly inventive.

[fezthabest]

Gears didn't invent the cover system either(Kill Switch), they made it "better". Killzone 2 has that system when in multiplayer, where it switches modes during game(pretty sure its new, don't hold my word for it though).

[Major_Tom]

He's a troll and a bad one at that. You don't need to read his comment history to find out he's a fanboy.

[heroicjanitor]

Most people play good games if the yare sane, I bet developers think to themselves,"What the hell are these people arguing about? That such and such is better? Does that make this a bad game?", even if they only develop for one console. Everyone knows killzone is fantastic

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

It is much harder to make a cover system in first person than it is in 3rd person. FACT.

BTW Gears of War didn't actually innovate on anything. The only thing I can think of, is the use of Shrek-inspired face models.

[TheHater]

hahahhaha. Gears of War invented the Cover system? You are truly and ignorant person. WinBack was the first game to use the Cover system and that game came out in 1999 for the Nintendo 64.

[DelbertGrady]

@Microsoft Xbox 360 - Oh yeah? If it's "fact" go ahead and back it up somehow cause I don't believe you know what you are talking about.

@TheHater - I never said Epic invented the cover system with Gears. I said Killzone 2 took Gears cover system, which it did. It uses exactly the same features, although more sparsely. Blind fire for instance.

Also, I believe a game called Hostages, released in 1988, was the first to use the cover system.

Read up.

[Major_Tom]

This is awesome, get a first class ticket to watch Soda Popinsky fall apart Xbox fanboy style, only on N4G.

I bet he'll go down to one bubble at this rate by the end of the month.

[Sharpshell]

Seriously "cover system" is right up their with "open world" with words I cring when I hear now regarding VGs. Not b/c its bad but its jsut one of those things... every game will eventually have *(i refuse to say it again)*

Now all that matters is how well its done for instance Uncharted and GeOW do it well, i personally think it sucks in gta4, but thats me

Now in Killzone they really made the *thing* work becase they didnt JUST copy it from GeOW... in fact the two games work in aopposit ways. GeOW translate the run button to cover where as KZ uses the duck button... both optimal for their respective games

[JeffGUNZ]

If we want to get technical, Ancient armies developed a "cover system". Who cares who implemented it first. Hostages did create a cover system, albeit a poor one, but it was there, soda is right on that fact. Kill Switch did one YEARS ago, which was pretty good, but Gears made the cover system what it is NOW. It's a progression, and I bet another game in the future, on either console, will make an even more realistic and better cover system. Why fight over the stupid things?

Relating to the article...Most companies play their competitors products to see what they missed and to help inspire new ideas. Plus, KZ2 is a great game, why wouldn't he want to play it, Rod isn't a fanboy.

[no_more_trolling]

i invented the cover system. screw u soda

[Anon1974]

I've played both Killzone 2 and Gears 2 extensively. Their cover systems aren't even remotely similar.

[Silellak]

So is this really what N4G has come down to? Someone like Soda gets slammed for being a "360 fanboy", but no one slams any of the blatantly obvious "Sony fanboys"?

Why don't they just ditch the failed "Gamer Zone" concept, rename this a Sony fansite (N4SF) and get it over with?

[Anon1974]

Soda is a fan of the worst kind. He's the type that just makes things up to try to bash the other guys. Sure there are some Sony faithful about, but you don't see them lying to prove their point.

For example:
"as it's not like the PSN shop where when you click on something you have to wait 30 seconds before you can view it."
That preposterous and anyone who has used PSN can testify to just how ridiculous this is.

"Perhaps Killzone 2 borrowed it's crappy aiming from Uncharted?"
Just being a troll here. There isn't a reviewer alive who's had anything negative to say about either's aiming system.

"Sony, on the other hand, keep adding meaningless crap to PSN instead of the fundamental features."
Just because you don't use something doesn't mean it's meaningless. I never once used cross game chat in the years I used XBL but I wouldn't dream of calling it meaningless just because I didn't use it. Both systems allow gamers to play games online. The rest is just gravy.

"Overpromising and underdelivering. Once again."
This is in regards to the Playstation 2.7 update. Sony didn't promise anything. This is a lie.

These are just some gems from Soda's 1st page of recent comments.

He's deserves any criticism that's coming to him. This crap doesn't belong here. Based on your posting history I can see you're a gamer, not a fanboy. I'm surprised to see you throw in with his lot.

[ukilnme]

@ darkride66

"Sure there are some Sony faithful about, but you don't see them lying to prove their point."

Uh...What?

LMAO. Maybe not in this article. If you claim it never happens then you need to take your blinders off.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

"Uh...What?

LMAO. Maybe not in this article. If you claim it never happens then you need to take your blinders off. "

And people do call them out either, no wonder there are so many paranoid usernames like "N4Sony" or "N4PS3G". Siellak probably lives in a cave if he has never noticed 360 fanboys call out on PS3 fanboys, lmao. It seems that he's one of those that thinks that N4G is somehow owned by Sony fanboys even though you see a lot of hate towards PS3 every day in the articles that get approved.

This site shouldn't be called N4Sony or N4Microsoft, it should be H4G, H standing for Hate.

[Anon1974]

We're not talking about people voicing their opinions on things here. We're talking about outright lies to try to make another system look bad like Soda does.

Aside from a couple of odd comments in the Open Zone, I don't see anyone but 360 fans resorting to this type of tactic.
Prove me wrong and I'll happily recant that statement.
Either way, Soda is still shameless. Even he can't really believe what he posts.

[Aquanox]

I would bet money right now on that Guerrilla guys have played much more Gears of War than the average Gears player.

[s8anicslayer]

It's a great game, people or shall I say real gamers play all AAA games no matter what system it's on

[iEternal]

that's the most ridiculous thing ever. how many different ways is there to duck behind something? cover systems will always be similar... but if you really want to see similar, go play Killswitch.

[4Sh0w]

Another "really not news" story.

So you mean to tell me a dev plays a game by another dev is news?

Who seriously doubts that GG devs have not played Gears?

bu bu bu but that would make them Gamers too.

[FlameBaitGod]

I cant believe Soda Popinskydoesnt get banned for trolling as i did for saying on an article ( and i was jk cus if you read what the first guy said u would know y i said what i said) 360 has no games. Ty N4G for treating every 1 EQUALLY

[y0haN]

Killzone 2's fun but I have been too busy with SOCOM to play it :P (yes that game with poor reviews from when it came out, when it was a buggy mess.)

[GVON]

I hope the thing he takes from KZ2 is that they should use dedicated servers,it would of eliminated so many of the lagg,host advantage issues from day one,ok you could lose the servers during the first day or two but if they prepare and test them enough it should be fine.

[Megaton]

Did I fall into the Open Zone or something? Oh, nope, we just don't have mods at this site anymore, or so it seems. You guys need help.

Anyways, I'm more interested in this guy not liking Dead Space, but it is admittedly because he's a bit of a puss. Dead Space is the best survival horror game I've played since Silent Hill 2.

lol @ him being scared of horror games, but 'currently playing RE5'. Speaks volumes for how lackluster RE has become in the scares department.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Silellak hit the nail right on the head.

"Sure there are some Sony faithful about, but you don't see them lying to prove their point."

GMAFB!! Do you even believe that for a second?

OnTopic: Did anyone actually read this interview? He mentioned a whole list of games he's playing and mentioned KZ2 in passing.. This is making it sound like he is some die-hard KZ2 fan when he is bragging more about his Peggle score. I hope he does look at those visuals, models and physics and takes that back to the Unreal engine.

[EXCLUSIVEGAMER]

since all of you are just typing meaningless sh1t, ESPECIALLY U SODA FLOPinsky.

i will now add my own turd to this sewage:

MeHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[kickaski]

Guerrilla said that the cover mechanic is from Killzone: Liberation. case closed. STFU.

[RememberThe357]

Soda is not getting slammed because of his views, he getting slammed because he's make statements that are wrong and trying to pass them as fact. He's wrong and people are calling him on it. Draksider made the point perfectly (barring his comment that Sony fanboys don't do the same thing).

Fanboys in general need to be called out more. The mods either decimate a thread or let it run ramped, they are virtually useless. Fanboyism isn't even supposed to be allowed in this section yet it's everywhere.

[fusionboxer]

Killzone 2 doesn't do much to innovate the shooting genre, but what it does it does amazingly well.

In my opinion Gears 2 had the better scripted events and stronger finale, story, and buildup.

As far as gameplay went I prefer Killzone 2, which (again IMO) was better visually, technologically, and really just did a better job at incorporating scripted like events into the game play without taking control away from the player.

I think both dev teams can learn from each other. While Killzone 3 could borrow from Gears in terms of pacing and light story elements (I doubt anyone wants an MGS type plot in their killzone), the gears team can look at how Killzone's brilliant lighting can create some amazing visual elements that add to the overall realism and authenticity that'll keep the player immersed from start to finish.

Also the online functionality of Killzone 2 is just spectacular. I just wish it had online/offline co op like Gears did.

Here's to hoping a patch releases with co op! (fingers crossed)

[GameGambits]

The best thing Gears3 can borrow from Killzone 2 is dedicated servers. 90% of the mess that is Gears 2 is a result of no dedicated servers.

I let it slide back on Gears1, because dedicated servers hadn't hit enough momentum that even casual gamers should know about it now, but I've had even the casual game crowd on Xbox Live use that term commonly now.

Here's hoping Baby Gap T-Shirt wearing Cliffy B can spend less money on his undersized T's and more on stable gameplay.

[MaximusPrime]

i wondering how long will he play Killzone 2?

longer than Gears of Wars 2?

[Bnet343]

I'll just reply here since no one has taken this lil area yet. I am amazed at how everyone turned this entire article off topic, and for the most part everyone is wrong. Gamer Zone is now Open Zone 2.0.

[iHEARTboobs]

It's sad to say but I think this is what a lot of gamers have become.

Anyhow, just finished GEARS 2 and it was awesome. It wasn't perfect (no game is) but it was really fun, and that's what I liked about it. Both GEARS and KZ2 are great games. Just let it be people.

[surfer]

I'm pretty sure Gears took Uncharted's cover system... and made it worse

[Alex_Mexico]

Nah, it was the other way around. Gears 1 came first and had a very good cover system. Uncharted came next year and, in my opinion, improved it.
Dunno about Gears 2, though. I've yet to play that one.

[DelbertGrady]

Perhaps Killzone 2 borrowed it's crappy aiming from Uncharted?

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

What's wrong Soda, Uncharted was too hard for you? It's called no aim assist. Something you probably can't play without. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the only thing crappy is your aim.

[Bob Dole]

In your case it borrowed it from your hands. Bob Dole can get headshots like no other in that game, it's nobody's fault that you suck so bad.

[hay]

Wow, Soda, you even fail at failing. C'mon man, when you're trolling, show some level at least. Entertain us.

[MmaFanQc]

play the games hes talking(more bs than talking) about because he obviously doesnt

[Mike134nl]

breaking news

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Killzone 2 murders the competition that's why. The most polished and best looking console game ever.

I bet this Gear 2 Boss is tripping out on the K2 multiplayer mode. 16v16 matches with unmatched graphics on top with no lag and no slow downs. He can only wish his game can run and look as good as K2.

5v5 online matches. HAHA. What kind of joke is that? Even he can't take his own POS Gears of War game seriously.

[Major_Tom]

Bad troll is bad how do you have all your bubbles.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Me caveman. Bad troll is bad.

[Shepherd 214]

the only thing you could come up with was that Killzone 2 has no lag and better graphics. Really, is that all you can come up with troll? You never stopped to think that some games are designed for small squad-based multiplayer and not massive frantic battles? Gears isnt about large scale fights, its about going in with your 4-5 man team and using guerrilla-squad tactics to take out the other 4-5 man team. Gears never wanted or even ever tried to have more than 5v5, it would ruin the game if there were too many players, it doesnt work like that. Any more than 5 guys a team running around and the game becomes not fun. Gears gameplay was not created for crazy all-out 16v16 fights troll.

Like i said, all you can come up with for Killzone 2 is better graphics? Lol, shallow fanboys FTW. I could name a hundred games with better gameplay and are more fun than Trollzone 2. Hell, i could name a hundred games from 10 years ago that are still more fun than your "ultra HD highly realistic graphics" game that is all show and average everything else pal. I know you love your little Sony universe you live in, where graphics and high player-count in multiplayer mean absolutely everything to make a game good, but there is a bigger world out there my friend. You should try to see some of it.

[na2ru1]

Try Killzone 2 in a 8 player much and see for yourself how tacticle the game becomes.

I mostly player 4v4 matches and love it so much. When I feel like Im in a frenzy, 32 player is selected under filter

[terrandragon]

Go back to your Geico commercials, caveman.

[ApocalypseShadow]

gears 2 online is a broken cluster f#ck.and 5vs5 is nothing compared to 16vs16 multiplayer with intense graphics. but somehow the systems are supposed to be equal in power. apocalypse .................

[MmaFanQc]

...an old '07 ps3 game called Uncharted is already looking better than THE best looking 360 game

[Arsenal4Ever]

How can he play Killzone 2 without a PS3? Just joking lol! Didn't he sign the NDA from Aaron Greenturd

"We at Microsoft are not obliged to play a competitiors games console, anyone who plays a PS3 while working at Microsoft will lose their job immediately. We at Microsoft will do everything in our power to make sure all of Killzone 2's technology, lighting, deffereed rendering will be implemente onto Gears 3!"

[kevnb]

what are you going on about.

[Arsenal4Ever]

i'm just trying to act like Aaron Greenturd , it's not working though is it?

[v1c1ous]

when his studio was shown to have a bunch of 360s around and he openly admitted that he and his team often spent too many hours playing gears of war while making mgs4?

[Arsenal4Ever]

i was telling a joke - jeez

[CAPT IRISH]

you are not a good troll

[DragonWarrior_4]

Rainbow 6 Vegas has the best cover system. Army of Two had a better shooting mechanic then Gears 2.

[green]

Really?....well to each his own.

[OmarJA]

Killzowned!

[TheMART]

"surfer - 12 minutes ago

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Ignore3 - Cover system?
I'm pretty sure Gears took Uncharted's cover system... and made it worse "

Wut? How is that possible when Gears launched @ Christmas 2006 and Uncharted came @ CHristmas 2007?

Sony fanboys got their braines fried by their magic black grill aka the black hole aka Patchstation 3

[Major_Tom]

Haha, stuck in the open zone mumbling your mad rhetoric to yourself. It's JUST AN XBOX 360. No you cannot make sweet love to it.

When I imagine mart, I imagine him in a rocking chair staring at the ceiling just whispering to himself "Xbox 360 is teh best, it's teh bestest, my precious". Stick around Mart, no one gives us better laughs than you.

[Too_Hyped]

Bu bu bu but Microsoft will announce something at E3 :'(

[OmarJA]

The funny thing is that Uncharted 1's cover system looks a mile away better than Patches of War 2's cover system...

[Bob Dole]

Ahahaha awesome!

[Shepherd 214]

Well Major_Tom, 90% of the time the xbox fans are defending themselves on this biased website from the shallow and ignorant flamers and trolls, so really its more likely that the PS3 fanboys get a hard one every time they think of that erotic heat activated power button on their precious PS3.

[TheMART]

@ Major Tommie

Why am I not surprised that you, one of the Major PS3 fantards, react?

It would be funny to meet you in real life. I imagine you as a tiny, tiny nerd guy, butt ugly, staring at his PS3 like he's staring into a black hole, while saying:

"Oh my sweet g@ystation, my daddy will fack me in the ass again tonight because I asked to buy you for me, while he is wearing his pink skirt... But I'm willing to pay the price my dear..."

Butthurt you return to N4G, you as a young member thats just here for some months trying to attack one of the first wave of N4G members. Oh and we all know you Sony Defense Force tards bubble each other up. Tsssk tsssk back to your room, and remember the time dad comes home.

[Man_of_the_year]

Funny how the SDF attacks Mart but doesn't rebuttle his point that Gears DID come out before uncharted. LOL you pathetic SDF.

[solidjun5]

okay when Mart says ridiculous things, where are you to chastise his comments? hmmm...I thought so.

[dustgavin]

Man of the year is far too busy servicing Mart to have time to respond to that. Although, I bet he is getting good at typing while on his knees.

[Obama]

"Oh my sweet g@ystation, my daddy will fack me in the ass again tonight because I asked to buy you for me, while he is wearing his pink skirt... But I'm willing to pay the price my dear..."

Mart you have great imagination but you are such a queer.

[Man_of_the_year]

Typical SDF...can't reply with some kind of mature response you attack...LOL you pathetic morons. Sony fans are the worst fanboys in the world and are ruining this site and the gaming industry.

[green]

I don't like Dead Space as well.Have the game and just stopped playing it after i got to the 2nd level.Has great graphics,good voice acting, high production values but for some reason, i just can't seem to enjoy it.

[JeffGUNZ]

I love Dead Space. I got it, didn't think it was going to be that good, but was surprised. Give it a couple of levels, once you upgrade the line gun and the ripper, dismantling enemies is addicting.

[manwich25]

I chose Dead Space over Gears 2 during the November rush. I am totally glad that I did. Dead Space is one of the most polished and honed games that I have played in recent times.

[iHEARTboobs]

I haven't finished it but i really like it. I only play it at night with the lights low and the surround sound on. Good times, i'm looking forward to the sequel.

[San Frandisco]

well,for me,with the type of cover system Killzone 2 uses,its gunna be hard for other games to copy it without bieng Exactly the same since you can only do so much with FPS cover sysem i assume.
If you look at the TPS cover systems multiple games use,they each hold their own element of cover like compare gears to rainbow and army of two ect ect..
But thats my own opinion so wut-so-eva! :)

[Bob Dole]

All they could really do is add blind-firing.

[San Frandisco]

true dat my friend,it however would be odd or wierd for me,but i guess once you get used to it it could become something interesting and fun to use.
At least you can say hat would be the acuall definition of "blind" fire lol. other video games dont exactly have that feature in realism as you can see ur apponent still witch makes using "blind" fire non blind. example:Rainbow vegas 2 just as one example but others as well,mainly TPS.

[Bob Dole]

Maybe they could make it to where your back is to the cover somehow? Then execute a blind fire over your head? Yeah right haha.

[San Frandisco]

lol haha yeah no kidding huh,bieng a freaquent user of the cover system (wutever game it may be),that would give me a headache or go cross-eyed from having to keep following the guna over the top of cover or something like that.
lol sh!t would be crazy!

[Re-versed]

LOL whats the point on this?

[felidae]

hm, i think Dead Space is one of the best and creepiest 3rd person shooters ever! KZ2 is nice, too!

[jpod]

It didn't sound like he didn't like Dead Space. More like he gets scared easily, so he doesn't play it.

[DragonWarrior_4]

Dead Space is the new Resident Evil.

[dolomite]

whats wrong with Dead space?

[aldesko]

The only thing I didn't like about DS was it became a chore. Every level something would happen and I'd go have to fix it... or I had to fetch something and take it somewhere else. Bioshock was like this for a bit, as well. Actually, DS reminded me of Bioshock quite a bit. That being said, everything else was spot on IMO.

[Nicknasty]

Nothing is wrong with it, he smokes crack.

[DARK WITNESS]

nothing is wrong with dead space.... he just got in trouble with the Mrs because he peed himself when the regenerator grew it's legs back after he had cut them off.

[BasilMarceaux]

Just my two cents, I think enjoyed Dead Space a little more than RE5 (but I agree that RE5 has far more replay value).

And I think RE4 was one of the best games ever.

But I dont think I could pick between DS and KZ2. Both simply awesome.

[Karum]

KZ2 is a fantastic game and Dev's recognise what good games are. I'd be certain some of the KZ2 devs have played some Gears at some stage because it's a fun game too.

[Pootie Tang]

What is the big deal, developers are gamers, I'm sure they play any games they get their hands on.

Do you expect them to be fanboys or something????? I'm sure ppl fro Guerrilla have played Gears, Halo, Super Mario, etc etc etc and Vice Versa.
This is a stupid flamer topics,

[Figboy]

who worked on Gears 2 to PLAY the game he worked on for 3+ years, did you?

i've worked in the gaming industry for 5+ years on various games, and the truth is, after working on a game extensively for months/years, the LAST thing you want to do when you get home is pop it into the slot and play it, no matter HOW GOOD it may be.

Gears 2 isn't my cup of tea, but i don't deny it's a great game.

it's not surprising that a Gears 2 guy is loving Killzone 2. it's something very different from the project he worked on, while Dead Space is in the same 3rd person genre as the very game he poured his life into for years at a time.

i understand what he means. unless he simply doesn't enjoy DS because he doesn't like that genre of games. either way, his opinion is his own.

[donnie-2105]

gears is an excellent game esp.online while k2 is a fairly good game with amazing visuals.oh yeah medal of honour airbourne and fear 1 did cover systems in a fps this gen not unlike killzones

[RumbleFish]

I love Dead Space but I play Killzone 2. Who cares? LOL!

[Xbots play games]

Dead Space was a survival horror fan CLASSIC...I salute EA for dropping this amazing game on the public. I absolutely could not stop playing until I finished. Loves the creatures, the variety of the levels, the engrossing plot and since I only play horror games late at night with the sound system blaring..I loved the creepiness. For all of those people who claim they played it for a few levels and put it down..you are missing out. Make sure you play the last level after midnight with all the lights off. Cannot wait till Dead Space 2...

[DARK WITNESS]

said it once and i will say it again and again and again... Dead Space Rocks, my best game of 2008 !

100% agree with you.

[lowkey db josh]

HOw does this post turn into an argument of cover system? if we are gonna argue cover system why isnt 50 cent in this convo? it also stole GeOW cover system.. lol anywayz back on topic i agree when ppl say GeOW 3 is gonna take a couple of ideas from KZ2 hopefully it takes the most important idea a DEDICATED F'N SERVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GearsofFail]

of the cover system in Killzone. Beats the crap out of the terrible system in the Gears games. Complete garbage.

[kingdavid]

Can you guys not see soda is a troll? FFS some of you are blind.

[Bullseye]

given a choice between gears 2 and KZ2, i think I'd plump for the latter as well!

[Argento-Nox]

In retrospect, it's really pointless arguing who made what cover system. The important thing is how it's used for each individual game and whether or not there's enough distinction to set it apart from the rest.

I'm sure that even a few KZ2 developers have played GeOW2. I just see this as one developer showing respect for a good game, even though he's a distance off from the competition. Regardless of sales numbers, KZ2 is a good game that only looks to improve when KZ3 comes out, as I have no doubt GeOW3 will be better than GeOW2.

Devs can't just improve their own games at a snap of a finger, unless they're willing to look across the pond at what their competition is doing. Good devs will keep one eye looking forward, while keeping one eye on the competition, wouldn't you all agree?

[MiztaToungueTwista]

the hell kind of article is this?

[Nicknasty]

Dont like Dead Space? That game is way more creative and a much better experience than Gears is any day! Dead Space kicks frikin @ss.

[DARK WITNESS]

100% agree with you.

if you read the article, it sounds more like he is the kind of person who just gets too scared of games like dead space.

i don't see why he would compare those three games when one is from a genre that he does not like at all. its like me saying, i love halo, cod4, killzone 2 but i hate fifa 09. why do i hate fifa 09, because i don't like football games and can't play them.

anyway, Dead space my best game of 2008. i know i said it in my post below.. but i will forever be a promoter of Dead space cos i love it so !

[DARK WITNESS]

well, all i will say is i actually like Dead space more then both the other two games ( of course this if for its single player experience)

sounds like the guy is to scared to play it or enjoy it. shame, dead space had a great si-fi theme and art direction, not to mention the story was much better then gears.

just my opinion, but ya Dead space is still my personal best game of 2008. i enjoyed it much, much more then gears 2.