Killzone 2: Smoke and Mirrors from a CGI Artist

I went into this with a totally open mindset. I went into this saying to myself maybe, just maybe I am about to witness something historical. Wrong! KillZone 2 is the most misleading game blessed with a hype machine that proves PS3 owners are truly desperate for a game they can call their 'Halo' or 'Gears'. The sad thing about desperation is it can hide the truth and it's victims will never know but alas i am here to expose the truth once and for all.

[Why dis]

LOL I seen that on the train level some time after you get off the train. I seen this light glaring and a shadow casted I tried to find the light but couldn't. lol

But no one is fooled KZ2's graphics are over hyped. The lighting is there to hide/distract the way the game really looks which is average minus the superior fake lighting(sources) and graphical effects like haze and dust.

We already know Sony devs take massive shortcuts to achieve what looks on par with 360 or to slightly out do supposedly.

GT5 is nothing more than a next generation cosmetic makeover.

"The textures in KillZone 2 are terrible. Let me prove it to you."
http://www.1up.com/media/03...
http://www.1up.com/media/03...

Been proving it for weeks(lost some bubbles saying so) the game without the lighting tricking you, really looks like an high rez xbox game.

PS3 fanboys don't know any better, this game was Sony's last hope of turning popular opinion and the hype machine was so great it would be foolish of reviewers to not praise it their REPS would be in danger from rabid fanaics.

Good game overall.

[Ichiryoka]

Sad and delusional.

[Why dis]

I can sit and say "same to you" with Extreme Conference!!!!

LMAO.

Do you have the PS3 you sad little boy?

Like children when they can't best somebody.

There are people that think the game's visuals are over hyped. Deal with it there is nothing you can say to me and others that will change our opinion of this game we own lol.

Hahaha Killzone 2's textures look like Sh*T

OK go a head and disagree and personally attack now.

KZ2 has textures that look like fuzzy patches in most places lol.

See you losers later have fun.

[thereapersson]

Why the f*ck do you buy something only to nitpick and complain? You sound like The Mart...

And "Fake lighting"? LOL, care to explain what you know that the developers don't?

"Deal with it there is nothing you can say to me and others that will change our opinion of this game we own lol."

Yeah, coming from someone as rabid at defending the 360 as you are, we would expect as much. What's your PS3 gamertag, WhyDis?

[Ichiryoka]

Umm yeh I do have a ps3 and I also have a 360, (gamertag is on profile) and to be honest I actually bought star ocean 4 over killzone2, I just know when someone is being a fanboy or not. (that would be you sir.)

[thereapersson]

Here's some showcasing the "sh1t texture work", as you claim it to be:

http://www.psu.com/New-Kill...

@ below

what are you talking about?

[ssj]

Those screens look about as good as Blacksite.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Those screens make Killzone 2 look like smudges and you can see the bad texture work.

[thereapersson]

Might want to take off the Microsoft goggles, Jason. How much are they paying you for your hard fanboy work?

And while you're at it, you might need a new monitor and/or corrective vision.

[STONEY4]

Those pics are of the pre-alpha build, not the final game. Why don't you get the game yourself and look at some of the textures, they're pretty good.

[StephanieBBB]

Haha I wouldn't be surprised if it is you who's the author of this article and commenting on it in third person :P

[Why o why]

..

[crazy-eyez-killah]

Go put your c*ck in a red ring.

[Pennywise]

One more bubble will send him to the ranks of pp and slepinir... long overdue if you ask me.

[gamersden]

are u a retard

Gears2 looks like an iphone game vs KZ2

kz2
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

gears 2
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

now tell me if gears 2 looks like an iphone game vs kz2 or not

[Revelation101]

Fake Lighting eh Autistic moose?

Gears 1 & 2 take that trophy, they actually don't even have shadows other than character shadows, I don't blame you though, you were actually abandoned as a baby.

[gamersden]

your gears 2 looks like an iphone game vs KZ2

i am sure he wrote teh article and this fanboy crap is getting posted here

comparing kz2 to a washed out game like gears 2
epic like halo 3???

hahaaaaaaaaaa halo 3

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

that looks like a ps1 game vs kz2

the article is written fully by POG

[Graphics Whore]

Looks like Why Dis the idiot fell for this story, what a chump.

[xbollox]

they try to badmouth a game that makes halo and gears both look like ps2 games

CGI artist my ASS
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA!

[dznutz00]

first off its a video game so everything is smoke and mirrors nothing is real in it at all, all of it is man made

second why dis
please dont try to defend this person on there stupid article even if u think this guy is right his still wrong why is he wrong because he started this article like this

"I went into this with a totally open mindset. I went into this saying to myself maybe, just maybe I am about to witness something historical"

this is all anyone needs to read to know that this man is in fact a "fanboy" and not a "normal gamer" i mean why else would u need to say this or even think this to urself

if there is one thing i could say about killzone 2 its that it gave me "everything" i wanted from cod4 and more

"DzNutz in ur mouth"

[bpac123456789]

Anyone who says Killzone looks bad or isn't the best looking console game ever is a f***ing idiot and a fanboy.(sorry but it's true)

purely as a gamer and not a fanboy, I can honestly say Killzone is the best looking console game I've ever seen. I've only gotten to the second level and i'm already completley blown away. Ontop of that the game is pure fun and the helgasht are probably the most fun I've had with any A.I in a first person shooter.

People need to take there fanboy goggles off and understand that Killzone technically surpasses every console game. There's no two ways around it. It's alright to acknowledge a good game when you see one. Gears of War 2 is a great game but it's not messing with Killzone on a technical level, fun factor is subjective though. (but killzone is more fun imo)

[Cajun Chicken]

I'd just like to point out that engines in games are all smoke and mirrors. What the player doesn't see is what the player imagines. Picking on Killzone 2 compared to Gears 2 is nitpicking, I can think of many examples how Gears of war 'cheats' in graphics. Fact is, nobody else has achieved this level of intensity and graphics on a console.

Reasons why this article is unjustified;

1. The engine in Gears of War 2 has been about 10 years in the making under numberous games.
2. Epic have made more than 4 games and the Unreal Engine has been stressed as middleware.
3. Everyone thought that Epic was unbeatable with the UE3 on consoles before Killzone 2 it was about time for the majority of developers to stop relying on UE3 and make their own engines.
4. A CGI artist is not a games developer, this could means working on CGI effects for movies, which is a whole different kettle of fish.
5. This article pretty much misses out on the impressive animation and number on enemies on screen compared to other characters without dropping framerate.

Give credit where credit is due.

[MURKERR]

judging by this article,cgi engineers? lol oh sheesus...grasping at straws, only see theses articles with ps3 games huh lol

id definately say this is the most ridiculous article ive ever seen on n4g to the point im astonished..a cgi engineer nitpicking kz2?

[Ghoul]

im also a cgi artist but this guys nitpicking is childish and unprofessional. If hes really in the industry he would know about all the things he nitpicks about.

games are realtime
cgi aint

nuff said if he cant draw a difference he's definatly no prefessional in my view.

all i can say is that guy is NO cgi artist, maybe a young wannabe but definatly no prefessional, couse if he would be one, like the rest of us professionals, he would admire killzone 2's incredible effective deffered rendering, postprocessing effekts, and its artdirection wich is top notch in my book and probably nearly every other artist i know.

that guy is a liar.

EDIT::
read this and be amazed
http://www.guerrilla-games....

(no normals in killzone2 ? hahaha check page 11 for proof hes a fanboy nothing else)

i know tat document for quite some time now, so mr. cgi artist ?
do you know anything about the job you claim to have. probably not

liar - and i hate liars....

[solideagle1]

i totally agree with u .
this is the most BS article in my life i have ever seen. unnamed zombie reviewing killzone 2. if he was ever an artist then he would have appreciated the art in killzone 2.
i have not played it yet but looking at the trailers u can easily say it has very best art direction. how can an artist talk about the graphics and texture. what is wrong with the world. i mean come on ppl show some respect to GG who created one of the best game of all time.
thanks

[brodels]

then he should know that the beauty of a game's lighting team is to make something look the nicest within the team's limited resources. no normal person is going to be zooming in on every nook and cranny to see how the shadows are made. regardless, the game nice and plays nice, and i just beat the game yesterday and started playing online and i am hooked

[StephanieBBB]

Lets talk illusions shall we...

In Halo 3 everything looks like it's been dipped in baby oil. Isn't this an illusion to make things look better than they actually do? Yeah it is.

In Gears2 the texture of characters up close look like sh't but as long as you can't zoom in with the 3rd person view and you spray it with motion blur that creates and illusion of things also looking better than they actually are.

Alan wake has never been seen on Xbox360 hardware so when MS brag about games coming out looking better than anything on the PS3 and refering to Alan wake and it's top end PC screenshots(Only that they leave out the "top end pc" part), it's an illusion to make the 360 look stronger than it is.

In RE5 you can't move and shoot at the same time. Just because you haven't been able to do that in a RE game before the developers and "some fans" say that this would take away the "horror" factor of the game and it wouldn't feel like a RE franchise. So it's not to cover up the lazy dev's for using the same A.I of the mobs in RE5 as in RE4 and that, this A.I can't handle movement like in Gears2 or Dead space? It's an illusion and it's there to cover up the truth behind thier mistake of saving time and not making a new A.I for the enemies.

Im not saying that killzone 2 is not doing some of this but to single out KZ2 and ignore the other ones is not only unfair but biased and it pretty much makes you look like a rabid fanboy.

*Edit If some of you haven't seen a flamebait article before THIS is one.

[theEnemy]

That CGI Artist is a fanboy of both Halo and Gears.

-coming from a handsome gamer.

[Leio]

This guy is no more artist than a monkey..and where is his name?? cant find it anywhere

[MURKERR]

wheres this supposedly's cgi artists name?

WHERES HIS NAME? so i can google him? LMFAO

[Real Gambler]

Well, you have said he's not an artist, he's not a programmer, but I may add he is not a rocket scientist either...

For half the article, he kept complaining there was no SUN. He also said this is happening on a distant planet! So the sun is probably just a little dot in the sky at night. Why spending so much time complaining about external light when you're on a distant planet and you're not even sure where the light is coming from. He should have stopped looking for the sun and just enjoy the game...

[Chris399]

They're not even in the same category (fruit/ meat). Not even in the same genre (FPS vs. 3PS).

The only thing that I'll give this buffoon is that there are a few low res textures to be found in KZ2 (and some really beautiful ones, like the water or drop beach). That said, there are reasons for this:

- There are SIGNIFICANTLY more enemies, movement, special effects and animations on screen at any given time than in Gears.
- Gears is essentially a corridor shooter. The environments are much, much smaller and therefor can "appear" more detailed (though there is a HEAVY use of motion/ depth of field blur in use - if you run up to something before a texture has streamed, you can see some definite cracks in the Unreal Engine).
- The scope - height and width - of environments in KZ2 are astronomically larger, more maneuverable and more open (i.e. the ending of level 1 or the desert, for example). These environments are streamed REAL-TIME with no installation required.
- The lighting in KZ2 is glorious. Gears doesn't even come close.

As to why someone would want to argue that KZ2 ISN'T a technical masterpiece, I really have no idea. There's being the "odd man out", then there's just being "odd".

Oh, and the ending to KZ2 was epic. As was the last battle. As were the numerous cinematic sequences throughout the game. In comparison, Dom shooting his wife Maria in the head was one of the lamest displays of machismo I've ever seen in a game. Funny how certain games get a free pass for all of their faults - story, botched multi-player (till the patch, which took months), while others don't.

I hate double standards. Almost as much as I despise bloggers trying to pass themselves off as professionals.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

why dis probably wrote this article. lol.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

At least you tried why dis. But not very convincing.

[callahan09]

This article (the part written by the so-called CGI artist) is the absolute most rubbish thing I've ever seen on N4G.

[gamersden]

Gears2 looks like an iphone game vs KZ2

kz2
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

gears 2
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

now tell me if gears 2 looks like an iphone game vs kz2 or not

[na2ru1]

"As an artist and a gamer all do not ever compare this game to Gears of War 2. Over and over again I put in Gears of War 2 to compare the graphics. The textures in KillZone 2 are terrible."

Comparing it to Gears is an instant FAIL. You're an XBOX f*nnyboy. Killzone iiiis much biggerrrr. Do youuuu understaaaand?

"The weapons were very COD4 like which makes no sense. If we were in the future, say… 5052, would we still be using machine guns? Hell, would we still be using bullets? "

I love Halo so much more because it's more prettier and has colourful laserzzz dat go piu! piu! piu! I love Halo not coz its hyped, but becoz i am xbox loverrr.

"This is why just because you read an article on the internet does not mean the person who wrote it is an expert. Anyone can write articles on the internet and claim to be a professional."

I am dumb and self pwned maself...

[N4g_null]

Seriously the worst tear down article I've seen in a while. Another thing is he uses gears of war. He does know that gears uses the same light map tech that most games use? Most hardware only has 8 hardware lights? The black thing id for painters.... not video... hell the selling point of LCDs is how black or how much contrast they have.

Every one uses some form of light map to help out the hardware lights. Another thing is GG toned down the normal map look of every thing so that it does not look like Vaseline on metal. A very smart move. Even the conduit guys are doing this for the Wii's normal maps. It's called creating a surface.

As an artist I would think he would understand why the PS3 can't do some things and why it can do others pretty well. It's a console not a PC, there isn't unlimited resources here. Yet some how the team one upped many art teams currently using UT3 tech.

People inside gaming companies always have other motives for complaining. They start fires first then they add the gas. This guy most not be willing to use differed rendering as the art team would have way more to deal with. This would effectively turn the game into a interactive color correction project LOL. This artist could also be use to producing normal maps and just going home thanks to using the industry standard engines rather than trying to create some thing to progress the art in these games.

[JsonHenry]

The article is 100% correct in what he is saying. The textures are bland, there is no environmental lighting, the guns look fantastic!, and the world seems really static.

But I don't care. It looks pretty good for a console game. And if they had to use cheats to get that look I don't care.

But his main point is right - it is NOT a graphical revolution in the technical sense. As a matter of fact it is very last gen spec wise. But it a good stylized game that comes across as well put together and most importantly it is fun to play.

[potenquatro]

I'm staying away from this flamebait subject. I just want to say that the gears engine has NOT been ten years in the making. Ten years ago the first Unreal Tournament didn't even exist, it debuted in 2000. Epic engines are usually optimized a year after launch. Thats why UE games don't seem to evolve grafics wise untill they release a new engine. nobody has ever thaught Unreal Engine was the best thing in consoles, everybody has always been complaining about devs using UE. And Epic has made three games using UE, Gears 1,2 and UT3, and that's why I disagreed.

[IcarusOne]

The more you scream and shout, the more you validate and lend credence to articles like this. As much as you guys b!tch about flamebait, you sure love responding to it. =)

Carry on.

[The Lazy One]

Not to say I agree with him, but there is a lot of misinformation in these comments too.

@chris: I can tell from your complaints you obviously haven't played gears 2. Some of the environments are huge, and you are more than capable of interacting with enemies and the environment across the scenes (check out the first underground scenes with multi-tiered levels)

@ghoul: what they talk about on page 11 isn't normal mapping. That's the mapping for the view space normals, which are not the same. View space normals are calculated from geometric and texture data (I'm pretty sure they included texture). Normal maps are just a texture.

edit: also, lol.

"This is why just because you read an article on the internet does not mean the person who wrote it is an expert. Anyone can write articles on the internet and claim to be a professional."

[Ghoul]

lazy i know what normals and what viewspace normals are, thanks.
but you can see the normal pass on page 11.
When calculating viewspace normals the normal maps are taken into the calculation.

dont try making me look like a fool ok ?

I pointed that out because people only believe what they see.

[The Lazy One]

I know what you were referring to, I read it. If you knew it so well, then you should know what you said was wrong. Slide 11 doesn't give direct evidence of normal mapping because it's generated using direct geometric data in reference to the viewspace.

I don't doubt there is normal mapping in the game. Your source just isn't the support for your claim.

edit: at below. I didn't really enjoy it much either. That doesn't mean all the things you said were true. Some of the environments were huge, others were small.

[Chris399]

I've played Gears 2 to completion. PM me and I'll send you my gamertag so that you can check out my achievements. You're exactly the type of paranoid fanboy that reasons that people who share a differing opinion must be lying about a) owning a console or b) playing a certain game. I have all 3 systems, and I enjoy them each in their own way.

That said, having PLAYED GEARS 2, I am of the PERSONAL OPINION that it was not all that great. The environments in gears are not huge at all, they have the illusion of size. The underground scenes are premapped CORRIDORS. There is generally only one direction to take and that is FORWARD. They are not colossal landscapes that you can roam at will, like some of the battle-fields in KZ2.

Now the question turns to you. Have YOU actually played Killzone 2 to form a basis for your comparisons, or are you just speaking out of your as*?

Edit: @ Above. Please tell me which environments in Gears 2 were massive. The underground was a series of set corridors, the convoy part all took place on ship, with brief touch-downs on small areas, the vehicle sections were all on set paths...etc..

And again, have you played KZ2? Some of the environments are immense. If you haven't personally played the game or have somehow been oblivious to all the reviews (which, despite their scores universally praise the game's visuals), then I really don't know what you are going on about.

If you can afford a 360 (that you obviously own), than you can afford a PS3 (that you may or may not have). The prices are pretty much on par, and you're missing out on a lot of terrific games by being a fanboy.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

yeah, I bought this game under all the hype and to me the game feels like CoD4...

Of course I would take all your guys words here as opposed to someone actually pointing out things I can try out myself and verify. /sarcasm

I thought it was weird why people complained about low res textures and the terrible looking flame coming out of the flame thrower. Now we know... It is all a cheat!

Frankly none of it matters! Go play your games!

[Graphics Whore]

Ahaha, anyone who falls for this is troll bait.

[ikaris]

360 fans are getting way too out of hand.
The problem is, their new halo baby sucks. Its not a FPS, it blows as a strategy game because it is just Lord of the rings battle for middle earth with a new skin, no halo fans know this because they don't normally play RTS's, which is understandable. Stick to your 360 halo fans, stop being mad, just accept that kz2 is a good game.

[darthv72]

I can see a difference in the cut scenes and the opening intro movie with regards to the facial models. Are those CG or using the in game engine?

I ask because when you look at a persons face in game you can see imperfections in the shape and jaggies where as in (some) cut scenes they are nice and perfectly formed.

Not that using cg for cut scenes is a bad thing but it goes to show how close the in game engine can come to the quality of cg.

Nice looking game none the less.

[NickIni]

This reeks of BS.

An 'unnamed' CGI artist discusses his opinion on KZ2, and his opening paragraph is this.

"Wrong! KillZone 2 is the most misleading game blessed with a hype machine that proves PS3 owners are truly desperate for a game they can call their ‘Halo’ or ‘Gears’. The sad thing about desperation is it can hide the truth and it’s victims will never know but alas i am here to expose the truth once and for all."

Well. Firstly, that stinks of fanboyism. Completely. Secondly, there's also a lack of punctuation, which true, could be down to bad editing, but come on.

Seriously? This sounds to me like some kid trying to discredit KZ2.

[The Lazy One]

Usually cutscenes now are done in engine, but they use upgraded models because they have more processing power to put towards the graphics without AI and physics running in the background.

@chris

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.mahalo.com/Gears...
http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.mahalo.com/Gears...

those are a couple.

[Zeevious]

How can I say this "CGI Artist" is a liar?

Because Shadowolf's profile here says it for me. He's a business major, NOT a CGI "artist"

"User Bio - http://n4g.com/up/19282.asp...
Currently an International Business major at Columbia College I am a devote christian, husband and father"

But wait...there's more!

Here's what Shadowolf actually thinks about Killzone 2, comparing it to Crysis on a $1500 PC - http://n4g.com/RedirectToOb...
"Crysis/Graphics - I agree, Crysis is an amazing graphical achievement. However when you look at a side-by-side comparison of both games in motion (screenshots don't do it justice) it is actually quite amazing to see KILLZONE 2 running on $399 console while Crysis is being handled on a $1500 PC rig. Both games have their obvious strengths but I personally favor the KZ2 style more. Graphics-wise I'll say KZ2 is the best visual display on a console to date."

and on his site an article stating the exact opposit :
"KILLZONE 2: Smoke and Mirrors from a CGI Artist
by Shadowolf on Mar.09, 2009..."

But how do I know this Shadowolf is the same as the one pimping the Site-Hit article? He says so himself - http://n4g.com/RedirectToOb...

"As a dedicated Playstation site administrator with ps3thevolution.com I report a lot of gaming info and oftentimes I speak with gamers who oftentimes have a difficult time letting their gaming peers appreciate their console of choice."

Shadowolf, YOU OWE US AN APOLOGY for abusing the submission system here...submitting YOUR OWN FAKE ARTICLE written for the sole purpose of generating hits for the site you administer...when you clearly state here the exact opposite of what you've written.

Apologize and redeem your respect...or remain a liar.

It's your choice.

[original seed]

Overhyped. Sorry controls. Boooooring as hell.

[Chris399]

You're not illustrating your point very well. The videos where you are riding the convoy take place in a sealed area. You get off at one (maybe two, I don't recall) place for a brief second and then return to the convoy. It's on the rails and basically about as complex as House of the Dead: OK.

There is no vertical/ spacial interaction with the world outside of the convoy. Sure there is stuff going on outside of the convoy, but you don't interact with most of it; as in MOVE TOWARDS AND POSSIBLY TOUCH IT. You can't touch it, only shoot. It's like an arcade third person shooter. Pre-set enemies spawn over the railings of the convoy or ride up beside you in your small zone (the convoy deck). At no point do you detach yourself from the convoy unless scripted (as in the parts where you go to a small ground arena).

As far as the underground segments, they are all long tunnels interspersed with the occasional room. There is nothing in Gears of War 2 that compares to the scope - vertical/ horizontal/ sheer area size - of some of the locations in Killzone 2.

I don't really know what you're trying to prove, other than the fact that you have blinders on and don't know what you're talking about.

Anyhoo, you can keep scouring the internet for things that don't exist, but I have the afternoon off and I'm going to go play some games.

Peace.

P.S. Twice now you've avoided my inquiry on whether or not you have even played the title that you are offering your critique on (KZ2). I take it from your lack of any response that you have not.

[INehalemEXI]

Its obvious you never played KZ2. You say the world seems static and theres no environmental lighting. Those are 2 things no other game does like KZ2.

KZ2 maps are full of atmosphere. rays of sunlight cast when your climbing a hill, Sand blown all over the place, cloth blows in the wind it all looks amazing. Alot of Destructable elements in the environment too. When lightning strikes it lights up the level beautifully too.

[Killjoy3000]

I don't mean to be the guy shouting obscenities on the sidelines, but somebody just got owned and I'm not gonna say who!

[The Lazy One]

when did I criticize KZ2? I just talked about how what ghoul posted had to do with geometry not normal mapping and then said that the environments in GeOW2 were large as well.

You replied to the first video, but what about the others? You said the underground levels were all tunnels, but I gave at least one where it is a very large cavern (about the size of a stadium, which comes up immediately after you are shot down by the derrick) with multiple paths and vertical levels, all of which you can travel through.

I don't get why you think I'm being critical of KZ2. I was just correcting people that said things that were either wrong or ignorant. I've consistently said that KZ2 was an amazing looking title through the majority of its development, and I still think so.

[Spydiggity]

lol, ps3 fanboys are hilarious. this guy even predicted you'd react this way. and he is absolutely right. you see what you want to see. i bought this game at midnight launch and the moment i started playing it i noticed much of what he's saying. this game is NOT a powerhouse. it is NOT a graphically impressive game. it just looks okay and cuts a lot of corners (character models look okay, guns look great, but that's about it. it doesn't look worse than the unreal engine. but the unreal engine is OLD. this game has its own engine and took 4 years and 50 million dollars to make and still looks bland. there is nothing impressive about this game and it has no wow moments.
Also, this game is "shaking up the industry" because developers, until this game and little big planet, were under the impressive you had to make progress to get praise. but it turns out you just have to generate lots of undeserved hype and release exclusively for ps3. then the ps3 fanboys will exponentially build up hype and defend your lousy to average game to the death.
Oh, and i know lots of the fanboys want to say this game is great cuz the reviews say so. but you're the same people that say these sites have no credibility EVERY time a 360 game gets a good score.
Hypocrites.

P.S. This ridiculous game is the reason i have 1 bubble. When the game first game out i said the game would be good if the controls weren't so bad, and that apparently angered ppl enough to take my bubbles. not sure why ps3 exclusive owners get to rant and rave and make insane, unfounded comments and express dime-a-dozen opinions and have tons of bubbles, but if anyone says anything in favor of 360 on n4g or they say something to criticize any sony exclusive they will eventually reach 1 bubble. and get their comments banned. and the best part is, the mods support it.

[Chris399]

Honestly, that's your example? I tried to explain the underground as succinctly as possible, but that didn't seem to work. Are we watching the same video? There's nothing "open" about it at all. You choose a narrow path, one or two, sometimes 3, ALL OF WHICH LEAD TO THE SAME ROOM.

This goes back to the on-rails, tunnel => room formula that I've been going on about for several posts now.

Watch the video again. Tunnel/ path to room. The only thing 'open' is the view of distant space that you will never touch. Just like all the vehicles in the game that you ride, but never pilot (giant monster excluded, but that part is entirely locked into where you can go as well).

Oh, and offering an opinion on the relative merits and flaws of something is a critique. By definition, "criticism" is the act of engaging in a critical discussion of something (KZ2 and Gears 2 in this case), which is exactly what we've been doing.

Regardless, it seems that we have opposing view-points on what "openness" means in video-games. I can accept that. Though you really should give KZ2 a whirl sometime, it's an exceptional game.

[pegger24]

you guys who come here and complain about this article, why even read it? you know by the title that you are going to hate it and not believe it. I don't know who wrote it and I really don't care, don't even give these guys what they want, which is an internet explosion. Just let it die off, think of them like little kids, if you just ignore them online while playing halo or cod4, then they just go away. Just enjoy the game, everyone will always try to pick apart good games, let them, just enjoy it for yourself and f**k everything else

[GiantEnemyCrab]

gamersden: Give me a break!! You talk about this being flamebait but you do the exact same thing yourself. Your link is basically a black and white YouTube Gears 2 video. Could you be more obvious in your horrible choice of video? An iphone game?? That sounds as stupid as this article. Don't diss on Gears which is among the best games made this gen.

@Chris: KZ2 is no different. You are selling KZ2 as some open game when it is not. Your are limited in what areas you can go and all paths lead to the same place in KZ2 no different than Gears.

@1.24: "The problem is, their new halo baby sucks." See you whiners love to whine but can't even resist doing the same thing you whine about in the very same comment. The new Halo baby sucks? Lie, garbage, bullsh*t. The game is awesome. KZ2 is awesome and I am a 360 fan so stop generalizing.

[The Lazy One]

I can accept that maybe you have a different view of what open might be. I'd take it as being able to interact across wide spaces, which you can do in the following video. 3 paths, which lead across a wide area and you can interact with all the paths going from up high to down low. despite being restricted to those 3 paths, I'd consider it open because the interactions can happen across the whole environment.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

note: the guy takes the shortest route through the beginning of this level.

that said, I didn't critique killzone 2 at all. The only time I mentioned killzone 2 was to say that I wasn't critiquing it and that I actually thought the game is visually very good.

[Arnon]

In all seriousness.. if the lighting of this game was not what it is now.. this game would look absolutely awful. The next time you play Killzone 2.. go walk up to ANY wall or object in the game, and you will see (that is, if you are unbiased) that the textures in this game are absolutely TERRIBLE.

I think what stands out the most.. is the polygon count in characters and weapons. And the lighting of the game. But environmental textures? Oh god no.

[IcarusOne]

Reposting. That's so clever. Except when your post is at the bottom of the page. Then it's just sad and pointless.

[Nicolator]

the article says its not real ... and killzone 2 is a cheat but at the end of the day if its visually good and a good presentation and the game play is there to match it really does not matter so far the game grahpics is good that is teh main issue .. i got my ps3 to see thing called kz2 and i must say i ahve not regrets at all. So regardless of what this guy says ... at the end of the day if one can get an easier way to get the best of sometihng y not..!.. and as i read the ppl that were in the lead team in gurella where the visual team so they made sure the graphics was the top priority

[Arnon]

If there were to be a game to "save" the PS3.. it would probably be Gran Turismo 5. God of War just seems to be a niche game that would only cater to people who have played a God of War game. I've never actually heard of anyone buying a Sony console because they 'heard' about God of War.. Now Gran Turismo on the other hand...

[MasFlowKiller]

In the end, KillZone 2 piggybacks on COD which is sad and surprising. For a game that fashioned itself as a ‘Halo Killer’ the developers appeared to have a change of heart and fashioned KillZone 2 as a COD clone!

THIS guys probably hasn't played the game

[pixelsword]

I didn't write the article, I posted it to steal hits on a site that posts garbage.

[DARKKNIGHT]

they cant if they hatin

[andron]

Unfortunately the relatively peaceful atmosphere has been blown to pieces.

Killzone 2 has been out so long that they have had too much time on their hands to come up with new and creative fud articles.

It's pretty sad that some people doesn't have anything better to do than trying to soil other games reputations than playing their own favorites...

[andyo13]

this guy says all textures in killzone 2 are flat. THIS IS COMPLETELY WRONG!
Heres gears of war textures: http://img440.imageshack.us...
And heres killzone 2 textures: http://s23.photobucket.com/...

Flat textures you say mr cg artist???

another point, he dissed killzone 2 for making the weapon you're holding incredibly realistic. uhh why??? its in front of you the entire time so why not put some effort into it???

This guy is nitpicking at like 1 texture he saw in the game that wasn't 3d luking. its called reality. look at your table surface, is it horrible bumpy? no its flat! i'd expect a concrete floor/wall to be flat unless u shot at it making a chip (which killzone 2 renders to make luk 3d)

[sumguy81]

you're completely missing the point. The problem is that Killzone is being hailed as the best looking game ever on console and ppl are praising it for "expanding the genre." but there are those of us who don't feel this way, and if this is the new standard for gaming, a lot of don't want to have any part of it. This game is not any where close to as good as ppl have hyped it to be. and that's what this article sets out to do. it needs to be put in it's place because if you aren't a fanboy you can see right through this game. it's a boring, clunky shooter with horrid controls and its multiplayer is having an identity crisis...it doesn't know if it wants to take it's cues from call of duty or team fortress so it just takes em both and hopes for the best.

The purpose of the article is to call to your attention that all those things you claim to be amazing looking, aren't. he even tells you how to check for yourself. but none of you will, you probably won't even read the article. you'll just accuse the author of being a fanboy and accuse the website of trying to get hits. which is VERY childish.

If the ps3 exclusive owners just said "we like killzone, it's a good game, but nothing special" we wouldn't need articles like this, and ppl like me wouldn't get so upset about undeserved praise. but this game is NOT special. it doesn't have a single memorable moment in the single player, and it's simply BORING. i don't care if you like it, i don't care if everyone likes it, but every other article on N4G doesn't need to be some fanboy article talking up this game like it's revolutionizing anything sept how to spend 4 years and a boat load of money to basically make a run-of-the-mill FPS.
This article is highlighting specifically what makes this game lack luster, it just wants you to look at this game with unbiased eyes. imagine how much better of a community n4g would be if we stopped hyping undeserving games. unfortunately, for a ps3 fanboy, this is like climbing Mt Everest. most of you won't reach the top (or even try).

[Face Palm]

*My Name*

[yoghurt]

After wasting my life reading that, I came to one conclusion. It's a sad effort again at bringing down Killzone 2. And yep, weirdly, EVEN after reading the article Killzone 2 is still the best Multiplayer experience I have ever had, and am continuing to have

[Mikerra17]

I guess what this idiot was trying to say is that this game may look good but they cheated? well keep on cheating because this is the best looking game out and I think this guy is just jealous

[Statix]

That whole write-up was such pseudo-technical, slandering garbage, trying to downplay the technical achievements of Killzone 2, that no one should even have to bother commenting on it. It doesn't deserve any serious attention from anyone who knows anything about real-time graphics whatsoever.

"Fake shadows painted on textures?" That is such complete baloney that it makes me embarrassed for the guy who wrote that. All the shadows are cast dynamically in Killzone 2, with every light source and muzzle flash casting dynamic shadows; there are some occasional use of "fake painted shadows" that you'll see in the environment as a form of Ambient Occlusion, but there's nothing wrong with this approach to AO, as most games out there don't even have any form of AO present within their engine/game whatsoever. Aside from that, every single shadow is dynamically cast in Killzone 2--which is more than we can say for games like Gears 2 and Halo 3.

It's ironic that this fanboy author chose to compare Killzone 2 to Gears 2 and Halo 3 as his way to downplay Killzone 2's lighting and shadowing system. Because if ANY game out there could be accused of using "cheating painted shadows," it's Gears 2 and Halo 3. Neither Gears nor Halo use any form of in-game dynamic shadow-casting lighting whatsoever; unlike KZ2, Gears and Halo do not have any light sources that cast dynamic shadows. Instead, these 2 XB360 exclusives opt for static, prerendered lightmap shadows for the environment--in other words, "cheating shadows painted on textures." Killzone 2, in this regard, is by far more advanced in its shadowing system than either Gears 2 or Halo 3. Period.

[roodidle]

I got about two paragraphs into that rant and just zoned out from it.

[kingboy]

Go away douche !

[deathray]

ANYONE can claim to be a pro on teh internetz. As for me, I am enjoying the hell out of KZ2. It's a fun game.

[talltony]

"The devolopers took the easy road out in creating the graphics engine instead of truly pushing the PS3 or maybe we are seeing the truth about the PS3, it’s truly a system that is full of shortcomings."

He says this after comparing killzone 2 to halo 3 graphical wise. WHat a damn fanboy. This is a new low!

[frayer]

Is Uncharted, GT5, and MGS4 smoke and mirrors also? Because Gears and Halo 3 (lol) still look like PS2 games compared to PS3 games. I didn't hear him talk about Gears' normal maps that look good from a far but sh!t upclose, and all the fake light sources in that game, fake shadows, and faked enemies that have no ai. Is that smoke and mirrors too? If someone ever does a Gears vs Killzone comparison, ya bots better hold one another.

[die_fiend]

Lol yeah right. Gears 2 looks like a PS2 game. Nuff said about how dumb you are. Halo 3 isn't great looking so fair enough on that but christ you need 2 go 2 school and learn something

[frayer]

stfu

[die_fiend]

Lol good comeback. Basically acknowledging how ridiculously retard you are. Show me a PS2 screenshot next 2 a Gears of War one and then your level of stupidity will only be exaggerated for everyone to see...Although you'd have 2 be blind not 2 see how much of a dumb c*nt you really are

[gamersden]

those crap x360 games are not even in the league of KZ2

halo 3 haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

gears 2haaaaaaaa
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Now see the GOD KZ2

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

run BOT run

[Galvanise]

in one of the levels, there was a video with over 200 independant light sources on screen at one time. In Killzone there are enough lights everywhere to get shadows practically everywhere.

[OrganicMachine]

lolz I was gonna say that... haha..

[ps92117]

Drugs and alcohol are bad for you.

EDIT. lol 2 disagrees, who ever thinks drugs and alcohol aren't bad for you, lol they are delusion, who ever they are.

[devilhunterx]

Lots of smokes and mirrors in Gears. For example in Gears 1. Look at the trees in rain level. Animated gifs.

[meetajhu]

lol exactly. He wants games to be Cgi films which are Rendered in many threads hahah!

[ssj]

You mean pre-rendered.

[Ghoul]

That guy is no cg artist. end of story.

[phosphor112]

that will like each other. CGI animators are way over their head. They think that because their stuff looks the best, that they are the best. They don't know about the very hard work that goes into making something real time. They just don't understand the concept.

By the way, this article made me rage from the pure ignorance and piss ass b!tcing.

[ps92117]

why dis what's your psn?

[thereapersson]

Careful, he'll disagree and take your bubbles with his multiple accounts

[ps92117]

pathetic. first time I say this, CONGRATS WHY DIS YOU OFFICIALLY *(((FAIL)))*

[Antan]

I believe its WhyDis1....................... and strangely as of a few days ago there are no trophys under that account, yet Why Dis/POG claims to have beaten KZ2...........strange.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

Ignore xBots on this!!! Everytime i speak back to them, i lose a Bubble or a Mod takes a few away from me!!! :-/
That's why i don't bother with them, er i avoid scum in real life anyway so i'm not going to talk to them on this anyway!!! ;-D

KILLZONE 2 is a 10/10!!! ;-P

[BGDad]

Seriously... KZ looks awesome no matterhow they got it to run... And why the is a CGI artist even commenting? Bet M$ paid for this garbage as usual.

I hope your 360 breaks fgboy

[peeps]

Even if Killzone uses certain techniques to show shadows meaning they're not 'real' etc etc why does that matter when the game looks and plays great.

Essentially this article is having a go at the way killzone has done things. But why does this matter in the slightest. Whether a shadow is 'real' or not doesn't matter providing it looks real? or am i completely missing the point here haha

Moan about gameplay or whatever, that's an opinion, but moaning about the techniques used to achieve an effect... seen it all now.

[beavis4play]

the guy who wrote this sounds like a psychotic with no life.
it's pitiful someone takes that much time to try and put down a game. really, i'll say it again.....IT'S A GAME!
his behavior borders on paranoid obsession/hate, and that's dangerous.
he needs to adapt to some kind of social life that DOESN'T involve games.

[Ronick]

"It is placed in an environment that is predominately dark which avoids using technical advancements that make games like Gears 2 and COD4 and 5 so special."

strange that he mentions Gears 2 and not Uncharted. And "desperate for a game they can call their ‘Halo’ or ‘Gears’"

oh plz...ps3 owners have MGS4,LBP,Valkyria Chronicles, Uncharted and many more they dont need games to call their 'halo' or 'gears'

And comparing KZ2 graphics to the 2 COD games and saying that COD is better is just epic fail.

[FPShooter]

This guy goes on and on with the negativity. To be honest he sounds like nothing more than an average fanboy.

"PS3 gamers are desperate for a game they can call their halo or gears"

The way this guy talks about KILLZONE 2 (which we all know is a great game)it seems like he's the only one whos desperate. Dude I love my PS3 and the last thing I want is a gears or halo.

We all know dam well People wouldn't be going out of their way to down this game if it where on the Xbox.

But people have been downing this title since 2005, and when GG delivers they cant take it.

SONY has some big titles coming out so HATERS get ready you guys have alot of work to do, while PS3 gamers enjoy games.

HATE ON, HATERS HATE ON.

[Bathyj]

As soon as I read that I was pretty sure he hadn't so I saved 2 minutes of my life but not reading it.

You guys confirmed it for me with your comments. Thanks.

[PLXNIN]

no normal map used in KZ2?

Well, the very first thing you'd see when you start the game is the ground texture with displacement map which is a more advanced form of normal map. And you see plenty of normal map use later in the game especially on the train scene where piratically every surface is normal mapped. And the normal map is NOT CPU bound, it is GPU bound and more specifically the pixel shader, and that is what the PS3 has advantage over the 360.

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about

[Ghoul]

he is no cg artist, everything he writes is made up out of assumptions,

hes a xbox fan trying to bring killzone2 down by saying he would be a professional, well he aint. nuff said.

[meetajhu]

He said Halo story is EPIC!! hahahhahahah i can't stop laughing.

[Dipso]

"The sad thing about desperation is it can hide the truth and it's victims will never know but alas i am here to expose the truth once and for all."

What a pompous git...the game looks absolutely stunning to us poor blinkered Sony fanboys and just about anyone else who lays their eyes on it. "But alas" we are nothing but luddite sheeple whose very eyes are being lied to! Behold our savior!

I'm not the type of gamer who ever calls someone out as a fanboy whenever they say something I am in disagreement with but this guy takes the feckin' biscuit. If you are going to try and attack something in the guise of an expert at least make a decent attempt at hiding your bias.

End of the day the game looks great and I couldn't care less what "trickery" goes into it. It will be a sad day when people start to judge the visual arts by technical fidelity alone rather than style and beauty. Castlevania SOTC...MadWorld..Okami...ICO.. .Shadow of the Collossus..are all fine examples of beautiful looking games, out of those titles only Shadow was pushing the boat out technically.

Killzone 2: Smoke and Mirrors from an XBOT CGI Artist

[xg-ei8ht]

You know what i find funny.

There is no game on the 360 that looks and feels as good. NONE.

This guy is not a cgi artist. If he is, then he would realise that cpu processes are plentyful in KILLZONE 2, the debris,smoke,particles, there is much going on.

I get what he's saying about the lighting, for the most part it's brilliant, but it doesn't mix the two.

Textures are as good as most games out. The lack of normal mapping is due to the fact they used there own lighting system and thus was not needed.

And normal mapping has been around ages. I think GG would have used this method, if they had wanted to.

There are many PS3 games with normal mapping.

What i find sadest of all, is the fact, the guy claiming all of this, and moaning about PS3 is none other then a 360 fanboy. All he mentions is gears of war. And please don't even go there with COD4.

I'll say this.

Considering COD4 and GEARS engines have been in development for about 10years.

He's got some cheek considering this engine is pretty new in comparision. Tell me another game on the 360 or PS3 that does debris, lighting,particles the way killzone 2 does.

There are none.

When you add everything up. KILLZONE 2 looks AMAZING.

[Valkyre]

dont click on the source guys....

Why must you help these pathetic losers with more clicks?They are obviously "desperate" for attention and bandwidth...

See the only "desperate" person is the author of this article , not PS3 owners...

[Slinger420]

What a moron, people like this should kill themselves

[Mr Tretton]

I can't believe this got approved....oh wait, yes I can.

[FantasyStar]

As much as I want to give him the benefit of the doubt of being a CGI artist, which automatically invalidates most of our opinions here, he points out alot of obvious things like "faking effects". But then again, he puts up a good point regarding the imbalance in detail. What's the power of the PS3 if you have to fake lighting effects and overdose on your weapon detail? (expects tunnel-vision'd people to hit the disagree button....right...here)

But then again, I'm only a fledgling game designer, so I'm wrapping my head around it with kid-like fingers. I bet the CGI artists must love the CryEngine 2 because that engine is just full of technical bliss. I'm not taking sides here, but I'd advise people here to be a bit more open-minded because he's a CGI artist, and we're just gamers here who don't know a damn thing about game designing.

One thing I will say against him is that alot of things in GFX are "fake": to fool the human eye. Case-in-point. Mapping tens of bitmaps in a single anchor point to create a volumetric shape. A very common tactic for grass, clouds, lens flare.

[Ghoul]

Tahts the problem if you have no clue
"What's the power of the PS3 if you have to fake lighting effects"

killzone 2 is the ONLY game to render up to 300 realtime lights ( shadows), every other game is bound to a max of about 8 realtime lights the rest is baked of simple omni/direct lights that cant produce shadows etc.

the author is a liar.

[Ghoul]

im not saiying killzone 2 aint using bakes, im just saying that the number of shadows real or not is dramaticly higher then any other game sofar.

[FantasyStar]

Suppose-suppose. I give KZ2 credit for what it's worth. I'm not saying you're wrong. I think we shouldn't jump the gun so soon on this feller like we usually do.

[nycredude]

STFU already! Stop defending this obvious biased fanb*y! Did you even read the poor excuse of an article. There are no truths in any of it and it's obvious he never played Killzone 2.

[REALgamer]

The problem with this sort of article is as he said he's a movie CGI artist.

Games are different. In games, it's not pre-rendered. You can't shove every graphical effect into every scene on every object or you'll get a framerate slower than a slideshow.

The puprose of the graphics in games is to help provide the ILLUSION of a world as you play, which Killzone 2 does very convincingly. If you don't need a certain effect to keep up the illusion, there's no point having it. Unless you're a CGI artist like him the lack of normal mapping on a crate won't have a serious effect on your gameplay experience.

Similarly with his arguements regarding Gears of War 2 yes there are things both games do better. Gears of War 2 has amazingly detailed normal-mapped textures so surfaces look incredibly detailed no matter how close you get, much moreso than Killzone 2.

Killzone 2 has beautiful atmospheric effects such as the lens flares caused by any metallic object that are completely non-existant in Gears 2 - look closely and there's even a lens flare caused by your gun! (for the assault rifle it appears like some pale orange dots to the left of your crosshair - you'll see it when you reload and they move).

Clearly in the development of Killzone 2 Guerilla didn't feel the need to use resources for normal-mapping surfaces, instead investing time in filters, atmospheric effects and the great depth-of-field blurring.

Likewise, Gears of War 2 used lots of resources in extremely detailed surfaces and smooth curves on the edges of objects but not in post-process effects such as smooth blurring and detailed lens flares / animations.

Both games look amazing, and both had different priorities so it doesn't matter if something was faked in either one - if it doesn't break the illusion it doesn't matter.

[Antan]

Bubbles.

[Why o why]

+1

[mynd]

Agreed.

[Ghoul]

well with one problem killzone 2 is also normal maped, with one difference and that is because of the ue3 engine.

killzone2s normal map is realistic, ue3 is overkill. im not saying its bad, i like it but its a different take on how to use normals. nothing else. but the author clearly shows how clueless he is by saying killzone 2 aint using normals.

http://www.guerrilla-games....
page 11

[digger18]

Oh god, you telling me people fake things to give me enjoyment?

Damn, I'll never watch a movie or play another video game again, because I thought it was all real :(

All, I mean ALL, video games use fake graphics to hide flaws.

What is really killing my enjoyment, is fanboys writing total and utter crap on websites and fanboys believing it.

[Antan]

LOL. How could we all be so dumb as to get suckered into thinking KZ2 looked fabulous! Man i feel so dirty and ashamed............and and...violated...and ashamed.......Lots of "if you don`t believe me" comments in the article....very childish. The visuals have garnished rave reviews from the absolute vast majority of players, onlookers, reviewers etc etc. One rather dubious negative article won`t change that.

[mynd]

Lets me start this by saying some of his points are actually valid. GG admitted almost all of the shadows a pre-baked using Turtle. But I will say this:

-Making games is all about making it look as good as possible for as "cheap" on the processor time as possible. If it isn't pre-baked shadows it can be precomputed spherical harmonics for lighting etc. It's done all the time.

-The KZ2 engines strengths is in the lighting not the shadows, anybody who believes the number of lights on a screen is the same as shadows is incorrect. You can have exceptional lighting, and still have unrealistic shadows.

-His point about the normal mapping is kind of incorrect,any valid light source can be used, you don't need the "sun" to do this. Where KZ2 engine does fall over is HDR, but it's not needed so it doesn't really matter. However, if an area is using "ambient" lighting without a valid directional light source, then normal mapping doesnt work. A lot of KZ2 is ambient, so normal mapping is pointless, but you do loose the impression of detail thet normal mapping gives you.

All in all I think KZ2 plays on the PS3's strengths, it's not ever gooing to be the most "shadow correct" game ever with dynamic shadows, but it uses the Blu-ray to good effect by storing all those pre-baked lighting on Blu-ray (which must take up ample room).

It's not really about what is technically correct, it's about the illusion.

[LostDjinn]

After reading that whole load of sh!t I couldn't find the CGI artist's name. Seems strange to me that you'd state you where giving your professional opinion and not state who you where.

Smells like BS to me.

[sjaakiejj]

“Now, I hope you can picture this, if that light source was truly creating real shadows you would see the shadow of the grating on the floor. ”

I lol’ed, a CG artist would know that grating is usually creating by alpha maps, and that alpha maps only cast shadows when a ray traced light source is used (which games, at this time can’t use due to render time). I also stopped reading there, since it proved to me that he has no idea what he is talking about lol.

[mynd]

Ah, no, if you use shadow mapping you can use alpha maps. Vertex shadows, yes definitely don't work well with alpha maps, but shadow mapping works fine.
He probably is a CG Artist, but not a game CG artist. Cutting corners probably isn't something he does on Silicon Graphics workstations (or whatever they use these days).

[poeo]

wow, N4G articles have really deteriorated while i've been busy playing KZ2...

[Bordel_1900]

This article is a waste of time.

Killzone 2 is amazing to play and watch. Best immersive graphics to date.

[Salta_nelas]

Sad, sad people trying to make KZ2 look bad.

What it takes to be a good gamer is lost these days as people dont give credit and dont know how to appreceate games.

I guess it really hurts some...
Sad that PS3 exclusives just keep getting hated and FUD because they look miles superior...get used to it people, same will happen to all future PS3 games, it´s called grasping for straws.

Completely fanboyish fake article trying to prove the 360 is in some way comparable to KZ technical achievements. I mean if he compares KZ2 to a ps1 game...then he should compare Halo to a Megadrive game.

[paracardium]

crap website desprate for hits...what is it with these sites?They that desperate to make people click the website so they can be insulted.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

He has no proof whatsoever and this he claims to be completely anonymous. What do you expect of this?

[mirroredderorrim]

CONFIRMED: Killzooooooooooowned!

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

A poor attempt by an "anonymous" xbox fanboy to degrade the masterpiece known as Killzone 2. I'm not surprised.

[hesido]

As all have pointed out, this article is worthless. The guy has absolutely no idea how realtime rendering should work in a game. The fact that he hasn't even noticed normal mapping in the game, might either because he has no clue what a normal map is, or the normal maps are damn good. I'm betting it's a bit of both.

This guy is probably not a cgi artist, but just a fanboy that needs some sort of attention. I'd love to see his CGI work, or where he's working. I'd fire him for his lack of knowledge in the field, if I was his employer, if he is a cgi artist like he says.

[Ghoul]

its because GG chose a normal "normalmapping" approach, gears is totally over the top with pitchblack wrinkles and clothseams etc.

normals arent tat visible if your not constantly overshooting them, and like GG approached the lighting in killzone 2 wich mainly uses a "faked" global illu you cant see them that strong (wich is relaistic). only when a directional light is applyed (wich is mostly but far from the overnormaled look of gears).

gears is awesome and a totally idfferent approach of how to use normals- but thats my biggest gripe about gears technology, remove the normals and the game looks awefull.

[IQUITN4G]

Gears graphic texture quality sh!ts a big one on K2

[Dipso]

@Adropacrich2

Care to elaborate? That little pearl of wisdom has really piqued my interest.

[Bumpmapping]

Gears Of War 2 is graphically a joke,horrible textures and lighting,retarded AI the stands in cover and shoots at walls.The story is also crap,ripped off RE wanabe with the most unoriginal boss battles in a game this generation.

[REALgamer]

To be fair, Gears of War 2 actually has amazing texture work - some of the highest-resolution and most detailed textures ever in a console game - much more so than Killzone 2 even which is you look at it uses fairly basic blurred textures.

However, Killzone 2 has many graphical effects missing from Gears and uses a different visual style, while Gears 2 looks great specifically from its use of textures.

[IQUITN4G]

Sure

Gears has insanely good textures that are simply great to look at a closer inspection

Frame rate is a bit iffy at times of course with Gears but doesn't get in the way

Killzone2 looks very nice and that is of course attributed to great details other than it's texture quality, a huge amount of polish has gone into this side of the game

Killzone moves beautifully and it's all rendered so well but for sheer texture definition it's quite poor compared

In Gears you can really believe in the structures you are seeing because of the heightened sense of clarity that goes with those visuals

Anyway it's clear i'm no supporter of K2 in all it's naffness anyway.Full credit to GG for creating a lot of the good stuff in the game but apart from some quite solid gameplay here and there, great overall rock solid frame rates and general lush graphics if you're not too close, the whole thing is fairly dull and yes very much canned regards to so much of it

But anyway iv'e been Killzoned etc

[Dipso]

I haven't had the time or the inclination to compare textures in the two games, I had to borrow a friends 360 to play Gears 2 and I loved it. But for my personal taste Killzone 2 is a far superior looking game, each to their own and all that shtick but the character design in Gears is absolutely horrible.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

even after all this nerdy talk KZ2 still looks better, funny how i thought that suddenly after reading this article that KZ2 will look like a PS2 game and SH1ATS of War 1.2 will grow better textures, but OBVIOUSLY that never happened cus in the end KILLZONE2 destroys Everything the 360 has to offer

[solidjun5]

for reading this piece of crap of an article. Are you serious? wow. I wonder if people who approved this actually read the whole article.

[jmd749]

what an asinine article?! and a waste of internet bandwidth, that some poor third world country could have used. the anonymous analyst(who i firmly believe doesn't exist) doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about, all he does is go on about how KZ2 was in development for 5 years(which it wasn't) and that halo and gears look better(which they don't) with references to arbitrary locations in the game, with absolutely no actual videos or pictures to back up his BS talk.
it's amazing the bullshit people will post on their website just for hits on N4G. gaming has truly gone to the dogs. with these, stupid ass, console loyalists.

[divideby0]

any game can be nit picked...and what this dude is talking about means absolutely nothing to hinder the game

How about the slow down in GOW2 ? massive framerate drops....

[Torch]

I must admit that this person has left quite an impression on me:

Evidently barely eight years old, and already a CGI Engineer.

Now THAT'S ambition, if I ever did see it.

[IQUITN4G]

Gears is cheesy and probably downright off putting for some because of this but it does work on many more levels than Killzone2

The design of characters other than the enemy in Killzone2 are not great if say purely looking at how they are developed and if you care for them.Design for architecture is also perfectly fine and very impressive actually if looking at as a whole.Up close is where it suffers most

Gear's sets look like they have actually been built, they are exquisite and entirely believable (more so Gear2 really).The game isn't without it's own problems of course and gameplay has far too many start stop gameplay parts (as well as some of the throwaway vehicle parts) but the Horde is worth the price alone frankly.When Gears2 campaign parts work, they're very impressive gameplay wise

I'm glad people are liking their K2 but it's almost as forced as Resistance's sh!tty heartless campaign in quite a few regards.GG should still be commended but they need to learn more about certain aspects of great fps design

[volcane]

I can't believe he goes on about Gears and Halo all the time, as to me Halo 3 looks like it could be from a previous gen machine, and Gears looks cartoony after playing KZ2.

[REALgamer]

Killzone 2 does indeed look amazing, but Gears 2 does as well.

As you said Gears 2 looks 'cartoony' after playing Killzone 2 mainly because Killzone 2 goes for the more gritty, darker colour scheme with an overall ambient light colour for each scene.

Gears 2 uses a more high-contrast style with lights and specular point heavily emphasized to create high differentiation between light sources and darkness with little ambient lighting.

They're both just different styles which gives each its flavour, and both games have their jaw-dropping moments and incredible sights.

[LorD]

I'm both a CGI artist, and a game artist. Work both in prerendered cinematics, 3d real-time and 2d games.

Whoever wrote that article needs a shot-gun blast to the face. He gives all of us real professionals a bad name.

I think a lot of people have done a good job of tearing this moron a brand new spanking a-hole, so I will not dwell on it.

[Doctor Strange]

I've seen a lot of BS articles but this takes the cake. Killzone 2 looks and plays great why people want to downplay GG hardwork is beyond me.

[DivDee]

Whats this bullcrap doing on my internets?

[Ghoul]

lol

[NeloRisi]

Why, I do say, "How does this affect MY experience?"

All this nanny nanny boo boo whining... its just annoying. I'm no painter, so when I go look at the Mona Lisa, I see a beautiful painting. I dont care how Da Vinci cheated with the brushstrokes or not... MY experiences and MY emotions are the quality needed for ME to like the painting.

Same with this game. If I'm enjoying how the game looks, then I'm liking. Same with Gears, I know Epic used a lot of backhanded ways to make the Gears look good. So what? As long it looks good, it frekkin looks good.

Killzone 2 looks absolutely amazing, why does this guy have a need to say its cheating?

[DeZimatoR]

but why? Why do some people feel the need to downplay each and every new PS3 exclusive that comes out? Really, why?

Oh, thats right, it all comes from fanboys of a certain console who either don't have the money to buy a PS3 or convinced themselves they don't need one because 'teh 360 is teh rulz'.

Get over yourselves, buy a freaking PS3 and enjoy the damn games.

>.<

[Wurider]

The guy is telling the truth. Are you guys honestly telling me that the graphics really blew you away the way they were being hyped. If so then the last shoot you ever played was Doom on the pc. I have a PS3 and I rented the game. It really is just average and gets boring fast. No one is saying or has ever said that it was a bad game.

[Kyur4ThePain]

Bite me!

[IQUITN4G]

Lol Revelation101, it's unlikely anything you have said regarding mums and dads is true now is it so how could that be even slightly insulting?

Just a very vile way of making yourself look daft

And Killzone2 truly isn't all that, reassuringly so actually as it means PS3 is never going to catch the 360 anytime soon

[Kurylo3d]

I am a cg artist and agame dev, and i agree totally with this guy. Dont hate on him or me for these statements. He is right. Killzone 2 gameplay however is hot. Cant go wrong with it.. its a fun game and thats what matters... but yea i kinda went into this one beleiving the hype until i saw the game. It kinda pissed me off. Cell processer isnt a graphics processor. It didnt give them any kind of graphics push. Its just a very limited game where everything is faked.

www.kurylo3dsolutions.com -my website :D

[pwnsause]

OH Sony/GG What did you do!!?!??! you are making even the "CGI aretists" troll Hard!!!

[godofthunder10]

I'll agree with him.The fact is that he's right.On the other hand he can't deny that it's a damn great game.

[MerkinMax]

Doesn't Gears do the same thing around the edges and corners of objects. Isn't this called Ambient Occlusion? Killzone does it better because if I were to reposition myself in Gears the shadows would regenerate, while in KZ they remain consistent.

[Kurylo3d]

no ambient occlusion in gears 2 is real time, non existence in gears 1.

[IQUITN4G]

Yeah it really doesn't matter a whole lot as K2 obviously looks very nice

It's the gameplay which should have had more focus

[psycho360]

I dont know how you guys are claiming of 100s of lights and shadows but the thing which irritates me is the fake lens flare everywhere u look. ITs like a some kind of smudge on your sunglasses that wont go away. Is this guy wearing helmet or something cuz from the videos its clear that he's not and then why overdoing of lens flare? The texture quality is also same as or less than COD4. Even 50 cents has better textures to both KZ2 and Gears2.

[Llort2ndcumming]

Looks like your a xbot and have too many bubbles, prepare to get raped.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

how on earth does the sun flare (not lens flare) blur the screen, your TV's probably one of those 1950 TV's or something

[pwnsause]

let the raping begin!!!

[Kleptic]

http://www.gametrailers.com...

straight from the tech director...there are several more of these, this is an old one from when the preview build first went public...but he basically points out 7-8 things on a tech scale that the game does that NO OTHER title touches...one was lighting...

the article mentions 'cheating lighting'...i've not seen a real time game lack that in some aspect on evnvironments...but does killzone 2 'cheat lighting' when your muzzle flare creates a real time dynamic light and shadow casting all over the environment?...does it 'cheat lighting' when a lightning strike creates a completely new light source on everything?...strobing new shadows around you, all npc's, and environmental structures...

this stupid article also says 'killzone 2 has no normal mapping'...what?...they clearly show the normal map in this tech video, which is part of an 8 screen mosaic...the PS3 renders 8 separate buffers per screen to create a single frame of real time killzone 2 gameplay...

and whatever with the textures...that is the single card anyone can pull on any game...the textures in killzone 2 are streamed off the disc uncompressed...the game is also rendered in 720p, not in some sub HD res, and upscaled...the ground textures are absolutely incredible in killzone 2...by far the best of any console game...sure some wall textures can come in a little flat...but its nothing that doesn't happen in every other game...when you see the fact that environments are huge, with tons of stuff going on at once, and that the textures are still overall great...it just solidifies how killzone 2 is the absolute king of console visuals...

stop fecking around...this is all too funny...you can ignore how much killzone 2 punishes other console games...but when you come out and desperately try to play it down, you just get embarrassed...

[Shane Kim]

As always, Kleptic is here to own.

[Gue1]

Are you really serious about this statement?

[psycho360]

@jack@sses above.. its open zone for crying out loud. Grow up idiots still fighting over video games. Once you grow up and have a job and possible a girl, these things will look trivial.

[Bengoshi-San]

Well, it still looks and plays better than Halo 3 ever did.

I own both consoles and all 3 games in Question. I think Gears is more fun to play, but KillZone 2 is by far the best looking console game ever made, whether you want to call it smoke and mirrors or something else, the point is no amount of little nit-picking is going to change that fact.

All fanboy related accusations and console power excuses aside. KillZone 2 is most graphically impressive FPS on consoles. PERIOD.

[Kurylo3d]

i really wish i could reply more then 3 times, but ps3 defenders will shut u up quick by not allowing u to respond... childish yes. Either way killzone 2 is not the best looking graphicaly impressive fps. PERIOD. Its something that is graphically faked to look impressive. Gears 2 was impressive. halo well i gotta give u that one halo 3 looked like garbage. I guess it just has fun multiplayer.

My only argument is that people are saying xbox360 isnt powerful and they are holding multiplatform games back. BULL. I love the devs behind killzone.. BUY THEIR GAME they deserve it. They did fake a lot of stuff... they did what they had to to make it look good on the ps3. Can 360 have done more realtime effects. Sure. It could have even got more fps out with the same graphics. Yea. Im just sick of people claiming that 360 is holding things back... maybe with the size of a disc... yea why not... id agree with that, but certainly not with power of their console. Killzone2 was hype technologically, but the gameplay is fantastic.

[mastiffchild]

No mate, I got a 360 again this week mainly to play through Gears 1 and two again but it does not compare ton Killzone 2 in the graphics dept and if the PS3 isn't any good at visuals why does Uncharted 1 continue to blow EVERY 360 game out of the graphical water?
As I got my elie the same week Killzone2 arrived for PS3 the comparisons have been nstark for me this time round and the 2d fire effects and weak lighting from non existent sources allied to hideous character models(relively, of course, as I do feel Gears2 is a good looking game)and the vast disparity in the enemy AI AND onscreen numbers has been way too obvious.
MS need to up it and I don't buy things that my eyes don't tally with and looks wise, at the ver keast, PS3 exclusives are well ahead right now. I hope AW can put the 360 back in the game in this respect but they haven't revealed anything yet in KZ2, U2 or GOW3's league as of today ands I want them to justify my repurchase!(with more than the L &t D as well!)
Killzone2 has so many haters it hurts me that gamers got so petty that they can't call it as their eyes see it-I can admit, and admire both Gears games(even while I had no 360) so shouldn't we all recognise brilliancve when it's staring us in the kisser?

[nycredude]

Care to explain to us what your profession is that we need to listen to your opinion as facts? First of all you fail by comparing gears 2 to kIllzone 2. Anyone comparing the textures of a 3rd person shooter to a first person shooter need sto stfu! You are almost never looking that close to a texture in a 3rd person shooter. Also there is infinitely more going on in Killzone at all times than Gears and there isn't any slowdown, too bad you can't say the same for gears. And there are comparison videos of the graphics and tech of both games out that shows how superior the tech and graphics of Killzone is to gears. Here is the link. I don't care about the baked, faked, blah blah blah, the truth is in the pudding, and it's hd glory!

http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

[dj55555555]

That was a long winded advertisement for Gears of War

[KR1ST0F3R]

why is a cgi engineer so upset by this one game? why he not giving us a report on every game? i think we all know why.

also thanks for pointing out that the graphics on this game are so terrible, i had actually been thinking they were amazing all along. can't believe i was tricked by my own eyes. i feel such a fool.

white text on black backgrounds hurts my eyes!

[knightoftears]

The shadows? That's all he can come up with? Oddly enough this was pointed out by a site that reviewed the game awhile back and said that is the only reason it didn't get a perfect score. His excuse on how it affects the game is from a whiney kindergarten class that hasn't had their nap or juice box yet, and he's just making excuses. Sure, you see the shadow jump around when you are standing there, but how long can you actually admire your shadow before taking one, two, or three to the back of the head? If you were fighting shadows I could understand it, but you aren't. Nobody is denying the shadows aren't "real", but his justification is absurd and very very late.

[free3sixty]

KZ2 gets already owned by ID Tech 5 engine.
KZ2 has poor textures... uncharted beats this game. The effects make this game looking "so good".

Gears2 owns KZ2 in gameplay. Thats why gears sold 2 Million in its first 3 days and KZ not even 1 Million in 1 week.

[Llort2ndcumming]

I see your jealous that the Xbox 360's inferior hardware can not match those of KZ2. Keep being jealous it feeds me.

[dkgshiz]

KZ2 poor textures? Not! KZ2 is the best looking game for all consoles. You cant deny it.

[pwnsause]

poor bot, he has no games to look foward to for 2009, except for Allan "Wait" if it comes out this year that is HHAHHAHAHAAHA. RE5 came out, a game they were looking foward to, only Multi-platform game, and its flopping in ratings HAHHAHAAHAH

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Geow2 = 2million sold first week, but the coming monday 2million traded back in

KILLZONE2 = 1million sold first week (UK), but the coming monday another 2million sold and 0 traded back in

O W N E D ! !

[fantasygamer]

actually in just Europe killzone 2 had over 1 million pre orders =3

[dkgshiz]

WTF is wrong with these retards. KZ2 murders Gears of sh!t 2 anyday. Just let it go. Your turd console sucks balls!

[SuperSharpShooter]

The desperation to bring this game down is mind-boggling? The infatuation to some lesser individuals is staggering. The attention of detail his portrayed in is this article should be better aimed to getting a girlfriend.

[dkgshiz]

These articles were bound to come sooner or later. When the xbots start crying. They start throwing garbage trash talk in all directions. Have fun beating a dead horse xbots. While I go play my amazing KZ2!

[teto83]

the game is by far the best game so far in this Gen of consoles. Yes textures are a bit plain but it's a fictional world idiot. Clearly the guy must be unemployed as cgi artist and eating government cheese.

[Magna Farta]

Is also the author of this article on his website...all right Shadowolf...who wrote this tripe?

[ForROME]

I cant lie, I played it yesterday, I dont know why I just didnt get the hype, I was dissapointed.

If I had to rate it I would go 8/10

But what this guy is writting is lame

[DJ]

And "KZ is a Call of Duty clone, and not a Halo Killer like the developers claimed." The only problem is that the developers never claimed this; the gaming media did back in 2003. OPM even came out and stated in their preview of Killzone 1 that it was more like Medal of Honor, not Halo.

This guy is definitely not a good CG artist if he thinks this is a good lighting setup:
http://farm4.static.flickr....

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

Everything he said had validity ,however much can be said about other game engines!!

The truth is this engine was devloped on complex hardware and involved learning a new language of Cell/RSX ASMP.

ANd this was a first time game!!

For First time engine ,it is a compliment to compare it to the Tried and trusted Unreal engine which has been around for 10+ years!!

Lets see what this Diieck head has to say about the deffered render Engine 5 years from now!!!!

Lets be honest and fair about this comparison and stick to the facts!!

Although KZ2 was missing large Boss battles , elements and different level of enamies !! That will all come in time as Resistance 2 has shown what they could do with little time and resources.

SO expect more and stop critizizing a first gen title expecting it to perform like a 10 year proven Unreal Engine!!

[gameraxis]

i didn't go into killzone looking for that kinda stuff, so i thought it was a graphically beautiful game... He ruined his own experience

[TheOutsider]

YOU X-BOT F**KERS MAKE ME LAUGH!! HA HA HA NEXT...

[Thoreau]

all this ridicule for a ps3 game, killzone 2 is the best looking console game out period! soon, another game will be the best looking game ever. the internet is the plague of modern intelligence.

[Ju]

Oh, I just have to do this for once. I just got myself Crysis Warhead and Gears for PC. That said, I don't have a gaming rig, but to run those properly I spent another $1000 or so. Just saying.

Point is, with that equipment, neither game lights a candle against KZ2. What's all this Gears talk. I can't even imagine how that game became game of the year. There is nothing (I mean really nothing!) going on on the screen compared to KZ2. No dynamic, a couple of guys, IMO gameplay is just bad (how often do I have to shoot a locust in the head until he dies ?).

Man, 5 people throwing a grenade at the same time in KZ creates more environmental effects then in the whole GeOW.

Crysis ? Nice game. With a proper rig almost playable. Enjoyed it more then GeOW (but maybe that's the FPS vs TPS effect). Can be pretty, but they spent more time on modeling proper plants then they worried about level design. That game is a showcase of being generic. Maybe nice to make some pretty screenshots. Gameplay wise? Nah, not even close. Complaining about KZ2 controls ? Both of the others have far worse controls - and show they were designed for click shooter fans. (Played them both with the 360 controller and the mouse - its amazing how much faster you can be with click-to-kill compared to a controller even though, like myself, you suck on these 'WASD'-controls ??). Crysis control scheme is crap. I need to go into a menu to be able to run ??? WTH.

So, thank you. I had to get this off my chest. Go nitpick on these other games. For all the hype they got. Dammit.

BTW, one more: Even R2 beats GeOW hands down. (now, go add me to your ignore list. LOL).

[Unicron]

Um, EVERY video game engine is about using "smoke and mirrors" to make a believable game world.

Go in Gears 2 up to any of the blue glowing light sources in the caves. Notice how your character is not lit with a blue hue, as its just a post processing overlay, not a light source.

I rest my case. This guy knows nothing and is a fanboy.

[mrsatan]

This guy is an idiot. This is why CGI artists don't comment on game engines. For one thing, the only game out that has all realtime lighting is Crysis and it rapes systems because of it. His precious Unreal 3 engine uses many, many static lights along with some dynamic lights to achieve their effects. Also how can this game not use normal maps, is he a retard? Normal mapping is a technique that has been around for years and is clearly used to great effect in this game. Look at the tech documents for the game if you don't believe. Seriously where does this game come off saying crap like this, some people need to check themselves.

[Redempteur]

"If we were in the future, say… 5052, would we still be using machine guns? Hell, would we still be using bullets?"

i though he was a CGI artist ? No only he bashed the game for bad reasons but this comment was incorrect and out of place ..Does he even know for how long bullets exist on earth ?? Why should they disappear ?Isn't it the job of the devs to bring up a futuristic setting of their choice ? is it a error to be influenced by earth setting in a futuristic tale ??

I should throw away all my sci-fi movies then ...!!!

This is not a article about how Killzone 2 is bad but how he ( anonymous guy ) felt cheated because he disliked the setting of the game ... that's wrong !!
Bashing the game because they took liberties WITH THEIR OWN ENGINE to make it beautiful ..
Should all the games look the same ? The same unreal engine look we are so , so tired to see because it's easy to use for many devs ?
What a huge mistake !! Also , in some cases shadows are real and in some cases , shadows aren't ....what a crime !! They actually thought about optimizing the game so it looks good in the scenes that counted in the story ... i can see how and why that anonymous guy is so angry ...

[BGDad]

And look at the 1st poster 47 disagrees! LMAO..

Downplay Killzone 2 all you want. People who play it know whats its about. Textures? LOL what are we in 2006? If you all want ill do a halo vs killzone comparison which will just be flat unfair. So just shut your mouth buy the game and enjoy it.

Or come to this site and comment all day. Your choice.

[Shadowstar]

Shadow "cheating"? Um... excuse me while I go over here and snicker at the "artist."

[ballsofsteel]

anyone else find this funny? this is a lame attempt to bring down KZ2 but still makes for good comedy. i love how they guy spends so much time complaining about the sun

[gdguide]

People are just hating that Killzone 2 is doing all of this, and doing it properly. In Killzone 2, the bullet holes are real time with and not just a faked 2d texture. Gears 2 is faked. Killzone 2 has up to around 100 lighting sources that light up a scene at once in real time. Gears 2 has maybe 4-5 that are fake at a time. Killzone 2 has particle effects (debris in the air) that cast shadows, and catches light appropriately. Gears 2 does none of this. Killzone 2's debris actually bounces off of things. Gears 2 debris is faked and does none of this. Killzone 2 has realtime light flare and shafts of light cutting through parts of windows in a room like in real life. Gears 2 fakes shafts of light that is not effected by the angle of view. Killzone 2 is offering shadowing that realistically casts your shadow longer and shorter depending on where the light source is (hallways show this well). Gears 2 doesn't even attempt to do this.

If Killzone 2 is faking some things, than Gears 2 is the king of faking everything. 2d bullet holes, 2d debris, 2d lighting.... Oh, and I'm the lead animator for the upcoming Pixar movie Monsters. Why, because I said so, just like this other guy said he was a CGI artist. If he really was, he wouldn't be so wrong on the things I pointed out. This guy is a clueless hack.

[Ju]

Ever spotted an enemy because you saw his shadow sticking out a doorway he was hiding in? Yep. KZ2. No other game ever does that.

Oh, I couldn't even finish the first paragraph. He wrote a whole paragraph b!tching why the environment doesn't cast correct lightning - and not mentioning any other game there. Because NO (!) game casts real time shadows on the whole environment (that would require full scene raytracing - needs an engineer to understand that, though).

But, it does selective correct light/shadow casting, and it has extraordinary environmental lightning effects (lightning does cast real time shadows on the whole scene, for example, lens flares are just abnormal in this game. Shooting against light (because you can't see) feels real).

[otherZinc]

someone tells the truth!

I knew as I got further & further in Killzone 2, it was a lie. The environments stayed dark, shadows were not accurate, fire sucked, walls looked terrible, scripting was terrible:knock down 1 building by gun fire & the building next to it wont leave a mark, hole, or burn mark from the rocket launcher. Some doors wont leave a bullet mark.

Like I said before, K2 is a very good game, but don't tell me its a technical marvel, it isn't even close.

[Jdoki]

Sometimes ignorance is bliss. And after reading that article I'm glad I'm nothing more than a gamer ignorant to the technical BS.

You can keep your normal maps, I don't really know what they are, or care whether they are in KZ2 or not. You can keep your painted shadows, it made no difference to my experience.

Killzone 2 is a solid FPS made better by great art direction. Not once, during the whole game did I ever stop and analyse the technical details of the game - but quite often I stopped and appreciated how great the scene looked.

Fantastic art direction will always beat technical wizardry in my eyes - however KZ2 (in my opinion) has both. (I also loved Gears 1 and 2 - both made me stop and marvel at the great art direction, but then again so did WoW and hundreds of other games!)

[Reibooi]

This guy is a moron. He is thinking CG and not Realtime. Realtime is ten times more difficult. He over and over again says they are cheating. How do you cheat. They are not in a competition they are making a game there is no cheating its a damn technique.

He also compares stuff to PS1 umm NO there is nothing in Killzone 2 that is even remotely comparable to anything from PS1. Sure Killzone 2 isn't perfect there are portions that look as though they got alot more attention but that is besides the point. It is easily one of the best looking games out there and personally I think it puts Gears 2 to shame because everything in the game doesn't have a plastic looking shine.

[dash--]

So much hating on killzone 2 its funny. I guess when a game is this good and only on PS3 the fanboys get angry. If this game was also on 360 they would be talking about how much better it looks and plays.

[HDgamer]

Lol this guy knows less about game design as he does about killzone 2. Fanboy article with the ignorance.

[specialguest]

That was just plain obvious upon reading the first couple of paragraph. Don't waste your time thinking about what he wrote. What a joke. haha

[josephat84]

I love killzone 2 for its multiplayer. It's addictive. But the graphics are not a revultion by no means. They are really good, but now "I crapped my pants good." In fact, I think we have seen much better character modeling and graphics. I personally like Uncharted's graphics the best. Gears of war honestly has better graphics. And this is coming from someone who only owns a ps3 and loves it very much. I think God of War 3 or Heavy Rain will come out on top graphics wise this generation. Heavy Rain is completely underrated. Go look at the gameplay trailer, the animation sequences are scarily realistic. But I think God of War 3 will beat it.

[comm13]

LOL

Read up about art direction (not graphics) instead of making statements with the wrong terminology.

[DFresh]

Blah...blah...blah just a bunch of fan boys arguing back in forth.
Show me facts cuz from what I've seen and played this game is real.
Keep looking for errors and mistakes cuz your not gonna find any.
Killzone 2 is the best FPS shooter ever and people just need to accept that and move on.

[greengunstar]

No matter how many articles come out bashing Killzone 2...it does not change the fact that it is one of the greatest FPS ever released.

[trancefreak]

Killzone 2 an epic game leaps and bounds technically better than any other console game. there should be no argument.

[MechaGear]

This guy is as much a cg artist as i'm an astronaut. No artist would ever rant about fake for it is his daily work.

[smurfie4]

This guy is a pseudo-cgi artist who chooses to remain anonymous because he's full of shat. The article is sad enough, but what's more is that people with credibility call him out on his incorrect technical terms making him look stupid. So what's left is not an article by any means but a fanboy rant soaked with jealous tears.

[cliffbo]

wow... KZ2 has really upset a lot of 360 owners. i can't wait to see what happens when they find out the 360 can't do a KZ2 beater. it's all smoke and mirrors, those graphics are not as good as you think they are, they just look like they are LOLOLOL... classic

[Ldubbz]

About some of the technical stuff this dude is talking about, because Im no programmer, but I have to agree with some of the things he brought up.

While playing through KZ2, I keep wondering if I am playing the same game as everyone else, or better yet, if even half of the haters in here have even played Gears 2 or Halo 3. I keep hearing abut multiple light sources in KZ2, but where is the HDR? None of the lighting looks realistic compared to the HDR that Halo uses.

Texture-wise, there is no comparison to Gears (or Halo a lot of the time). You can disagree all you want, but go ahead and grab cover. Go ahead and try it. Now try and deny that the weapon and whatever your leaning against looks completely terrible. I think its GG's way of maybe doing depth of field, but it looks terrible. Mean while, the depth of field in Gears is breathtaking, probably the best in any game.

In Gears, when you interact with other objects it is highly impressive as well, such as when you grab a meat shield, as also the 'meat' physics are incredible, how the locust can blow into pieces, or be chainsawed into pieces. The water graphics are also second to none; the water level in Gears is possibly its most technically advanced yet I never see it anywhere. The water in Halo also looks better than in KZ2.

KZ2 started showing some muscle to me in the desert level, where the color palette was finally given some life. But when a bunch of effects were happening particularly in that level, I noticed the framerate drop quite frequently (not to the point of being slow). The train level looks pretty good, though its an obvious nod to the Gears 1 train ride. And if you have played both, there is no doubt that the graphics in the Gears train ride are superior (and please play BOTH if u have any opinion).

I did notice that with the new update, KZ2 feels a bit better, which I definitely welcome. And the sniper rifle works great with the Sixaxis, which is nice. I like the bolt weapon...though why the shells blow up is beyond me since they dont do anything, and makes it very reminiscent of the Torque Bow in Gears, thought its not as cool as the torque bow, since it literally blows people to bits.

[nycredude]

All I am going to do is this. Watch and weep. Also regarding water effects, you obviously never played Uncharted.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

[Ldubbz]

You speak at me as if I dont have the game at home. Im not clicking any links to anything. I have a pair of eyes, and they see the images just fine out of my Sammy 1080p. I call it like I see it.

As for Uncharted, I am still in wonder as to why so many people still talk about this game. Its definitely on the prettier side of things, but its not the looker some make it out to be. I tried the demo some time ago, and felt that it was boring; the combat mechanics left much to be desired for me personally. And the explosions from your grenades is downright awful.

But having said that, I did just play the demo (and quickly), and wouldnt be against giving it another shot in the form of a rental.

I know some of you seem to be emotionally invested in KZ2, and thats cool. Its not a bad game by any means...its a good game. But digital Jesus it is not.

[MechaGear]

"None of the lighting looks realistic compared to the HDR that Halo uses."
Yes, right...
http://www.tothegame.com/ss...
Maybe another pair of eyes would help here...

[Ldubbz]

You didnt read my last reply: I dont need anyone else to tell me what my eyes can easily see. I own all three systems (and a PSP...), do you ?

Again, I know many of you want KZ2 to be the end all to everything, but in my book its not. You wont convince me otherwise. For you maybe it is, and thats great. Fantastic. But I just dont see it that way.

Happy Gaming.

[DarthVayd3r]

This is one of the dumbest things I have seen in a long time. I must admit that I was not pleased with the Killzone 2 demo that came with my reserve. It acctually made me take the money I had put down on it and just move it over to MLB 09:The Show. This was not due to the graphics however but because of the controls and the premise. I just figured I'd rather be playing COD, but Killzone 2 is a beautiful looking game and it is impossible to say otherwise truthfully!

[DOOMZ]

Thanks...

[Enigma_2099]

ALL these negative articles would disappear, and they'd be singing to the hills about how awesome we got a 360 game to look compared to a PS3 game.

And while I love the brutal raping I get whenever I put this game in... honestly... will you give Sev a minute to BREATHE?!?!?!

... I'm really starting to get sick of shooters altogether!!!! How many do we have to play before you ALL admit that other than the view and whatever they throw into the package, they're starting to blur together!!!

I'm not picking targets this time... I'm going after EVERYBODY!!! First Person... Third Person... On rails... GAAAAAAH!!!! Enough!!! Start making more games that don't involve me hoding a gun!!!!

[Enigma_2099]

... I had my say, I made my point, and if you can't explain why you disagree, I could give a d*mn about your opinion...

[Magic_The_Celt]

Meh, who cares how its done

all i know is it looks amazing.

[Yo Mama]

I couldn't have said it better myself. This is why i stopped reading right after he said that.

This article is complete nonsense.

[tonywood24]

The hate can't stop the rain! Not only is K2 better than Halo 2 & 3 and Gears 2 (I would say it's tied with both Call of duty 4, Halo: Combat Evolved and Gears of War 1) in the terms of graphics, but the A.I., Wepons, Multiplayer maps, clan support (Yea, took some notes from Call of Duty 4), and the sound effects are insane. The best part of the game is damn near when you have to reload! If this was on the 360, it would get so much positive reviews and work of mouth. Man, QUIT HATIN!!!! Give props, just like everyone gave Wii Sports, Mario Galaxy, Halo 2&3, Gears 1&2, MGS4, and Call of Duty 4.

[billybob2468]

"This is where my experience as a cgi artist kicks in. This is why just because you read an article on the internet does not mean the person who wrote it is an expert. Anyone can write articles on the internet and claim to be a professional."

Haha, yeah. Like you.

[Premonition]

Whenever sony takes something to the next level, some caveman out there comes out from under their rock and tries to do anything to shoot them down, but when its MS its like an evolution or something.

[Mc187]

I quit reading after he said " gears of war 2 makes love to mee every night so killzone 2 has to suck" Cause that's how it read to me this guy is a hater.

[bmatthews]

lamest article yet.

[xionpunk]

I don't care if it's "cheating" or not, KZ2 looks incredible. Use whatever trick you need to make it look this good, the end result is all that matters.

[mll09]

Well tell me this.

Does it look good?

Yes.

Is it one of the most graphically accomplished games and is WIDELY ACCEPTED by anyone who is not a fanboy?

Yes.

What else is there to say?

[Danteh]

I have no words for this guy.... I mean I swear I have never seen such a delusional and blind fanboy in my entire life. WTF? I couldn't stop reading because I was fascinated from what I read. This guy is definitely my 2009 FOTY (Fanboy of the Year)...

[Bizmal]

K2 is a great looking and great playing game. I will say no more about that. However Halo is the most over rated game in history. Gears was better, Warhawk was better, Cod4 was better and yes K2 is better. The list goes on and on.

[Dandiego]

I told all you guys this game wasn't as good as reviewers said... It sucks plain and simple. Halo 3 sucks as well (in my opinion) for those that think I'm a fanboy. I'm a gamer a REAL gamer I don't fall in love with graphics. So for those that said COD4 is beat... I have this to say: COD4 is on another level.. you hear me Hiphopgamer not even close. What he didn't mention are the bad Controls... they are out of Wolfenstein 3D. All you fanboys tell me you will be playing this in a month from now... Very very forgetable... I have a PS3 BTW for those that don't believe me add me... the same nickname as the one I use here.

[HDgamer]

You're not a real gamer. Real gamers don't rely on reviews or someone ranting that Kz2 sucks because one person dislike it. I don't care if you have a ps3 or a atari 2600.

[Dandiego]

Real gamers like good games and not games that other people say are good. I've got tons of friends that say the exact same thing about this game... It's overhyped and okay not bad but just okay. This is the opinion of myself and even the employees from the local EB Games are starting to agree with me... after a few weeks of saying the game is the second coming of Christ of course (kids nowadays). You're right I've played everything since Atari so I can spot good games and bad games better than you young kids that think every game that comes out is just great. No experience in gaming not enough variety played... Don't worry you'll grow up. COD is the FPS to beat since COD 2... Face it the game is much better than KZ2... Seriously Infinity ward is the top studio and is technicaly much better than Guerilla

[comm13]

If you played that long...maybe you should find another hobby.

Your definition of "real gamer" hahahaahah you dumbass (your ignorance just amazes me), it is simply a matter of opinion if a game is good or not, and you have obviously not played the game so how can you judge it on the opinion of your circle of friends who seem to have a general dislike for the PlayStation exclusives.
Please do pick up another hobby.

[Silly gameAr]

Don't waste your time reading this long, pointless crap. It's obvious the guy is bitter for some reason.

[Shane Kim]

I see that the bots don't give up on this one yet. That guy making this article just wasted his time. In motion, KZ2 is the best looking game till date. I can spot numerous low res textures and shadow cheating on Gears as well if Im there to look for it.

[Arcturus]

the only really bad thing i noticed were the textures

[Trebius]

I enjoy the hell out of my games...
I dont care if there's 1 less pixel than another...
A badly rendered tree...
A crappy shadow effect here and there...

I dont give a flying FU#K...

I just sit down after a hard day of work...
I turn on my PS3 or whatever system I decide to play at the moment...

and I PLAY...THATS IT!

ENJOY your SH!T...dont listen to this prick.

The game is great, no matter how many little hidden "mistakes" or "short cuts" you find in the engine, it's still a great game...and it will keep you busy.

Such nonsense...

[Alib8000]

Does it really bother you that much? F*cking hell, did you buy the game to play it or to find something wrong with it? Just enjoy it and stop b1tching about how it was made. If you think you can do a better job, go ahead.

[JokesOnYou]

I'm just going to say what I said long before this post. KZ2 looks amazing but I never thought it totally blew Gears2 away graphically, on a side note I understand that its just par for the course for gamers to blow things out of porportion a little bit when their excited. It's a normal reaction. Gears2 textures are still better imo and I think Gears2 has a better artistic style which helps alot, but thats more down to personal taste than actual technical merit. (I said this many times in past comments) Still overall KZ2 with so much going on has a graphical edge imo, in fact the lighting which seems to be the bulk of this guy complaint isn't even a close comparison; KZ2 hands down has the best lighting for a shooter on any console, therefore I say who cares how they "tricked" us the game just looks damm good, I'm a gamer so whatever behind the scences tricks GG used then I hope more dev's do the same because in the end I just like to play games that look great too. Actually for me he had a couple of other critcisms that I thought were alot more VALID, but I'll just leave it at that, because even with my personal gripes KZ2 is still a helluva game.

JOY

[heroicjanitor]

Can't believe what he is saying. Just look at it and see it is the best looking game ever, regardless of if you are being tricked or not. The whole idea of a game is to create the illusion of motion, characters etc. The game is not real, it is designed to make you think you are in a warzone, not to actually brainwash a guy on a distant warring planet and let you control him...

[denied]

PS3 is superior than the 3shitty.Please xcrap boys give it up and face defeat, You so call next gen crap console is done. Halo as all you dumb bots call it its not 1% fun at all and yes i had an xcrap,yes I also had a 3shitty until it broke after 4month,Good thing i had the warranty for it and got my money back.Now you F@gs wana talk crappy graphics lets brake it down with Rainbow War, You got to be a total retard to think HALO is worth the HYPE and time to play, Its the same story of halo 1 and 2 combine, your so call hero is a robot not human and he dumb. Now gears of wars, trying to take some credit from the METAL GEAR SOLID name hahahaha lame as name wana bee's.You all praise this game like is the coming of god.This game is a WINBACK copy and KILLSWITCH jr, You stupid retards get full of envy when PS3 Fans get a good game but when you get a game period you all become religious. So please do your self a favor and shut the F up, No one cares what you xbox crap head donkey sperm eater say about our game because we all know the truth you are all full of jealousy and you wish this was on your console and don't you guys dare to lie cuz your Mommies tell me all the time in bed.....PS3 is way much GREATER than you pathetic xbox. and you guys got OWN by a PS3 FANBOY AND WHAT?

[Magna Farta]

Um....okay....I thought this article got deleted....so what gives?

Of course, if this were an article claiming GeoW2 of being all "smoke and mirrors", it would STAY deleted, but I guess because this rags on a PS3 game then it deserves to be flamed, eh? I see how it is around here.

And on a side note...then entire process of creating a game is "smoke and mirrors" so to speak. How the f**k else are they gonna create the ILLUSION of 3D on a 2D surface?!?!

[JokesOnYou]

yeah I know this guy is taking shots at a great game but remember to keep it in perspective, every big game is heavily critiqued, this isn't some big site knocking KZ2, its some guy nobody knows, a blog etc and Halo3 although it scored well also recieved alot of hate from no name blogs, its just goes with the territory for ANYTHING thats been hyped, its almost a compliment....those of you who keep crying saying "if this was a 360 exclusive" are only lying to yourselves, those of us who liked many of 360's particularly highly rated games also wondered why ___ site was nitpicking what was obviously still a great game.

JOY

[Kemicalbeliefs]

At the end of the day what really matters if whether YOU enjoyed it, nevermind someone elses opinion.

I'm enjoying it so far with the odd gripe but virtually every game has some. I generally take my opinion as the best one for deciding games and such thank you very much.

Ta

[helrazor343]

some expert you found here.

[7h3ultim8p00]

Summary: fanboy b1tching about useless stuff no one really cares about

[NateDPG]

LOL this guy is too funny and he's fake, every game cheats, every. I think he didn't see this article which shows how Gears 2 cheats with lightning and how it doesn't affect the characters, how bad the textures are and how little polys it uses. Nothing in Killzone looks like from PS1, but Gears 2 surely does. All this dude is doing is bubbling, where are some pictures and vids to prove it? Oh well, but this buddy proves something different and this probably unwillingly and this is how biased he is. He smacks KZ2 for it's weapons and enviroments, but this is nothing but art direction and preferences are solely subjectice.

http://kineticninja.blogspo...

[creeping judas]

I know it's easy to call him a fanboy, xbot, diaper wearing kid, etc......... that's how it works in the playground.

But, what I actually feel after reading the article is that I have is SYMPATHY. I mean imagine playing a game and having to analyze it to it's core, what kinda of life is that?? The man can't even enjoy the simple pleasure of playing a f**king awesome game?? I mean I would hate to be like that. I'm glad I'm a gamer, and can play games without taking out a ruler and measuring the length of my e-peen!!

That goes for all you fanboys out there, stop hating and start playing!!

[randomwiz]

bubbles for not calling him a fanboy, and feeling sympathy for him.

[MDStylin]

Dude, I didn't even read your article. One look at your opening paragraph told me all I need to know about what your article was about. Having said that, I got two words for you, Homey: S-C-R-E-W U!!!! I'm so sick of you fanboys always shooting down one console or another. I bought K2 when it came out and I'm on my second playthrough. Bottom line the game is dope-Period!!!!! I'm sure the next version will be even better. So go stick a Halo or a Gear from any War up ya ass, and make sure you insert the pointy end first. Lonely bastard, hope you get carpatunnel, ya prick.....

[Flewid638]

This guy is upset that the game looks fantastic based on how the developers did it, and not how HE would do it? Hmmmm. I'll say this.....

If standing upside down on one hand, while wearing lipstick, and doing backflips is your way of making a game look great....THEN BY ALL MEANS GO AHEAD! I could give a sh*t HOW it's done, as long as it's DONE. Who cares what "techniques" they used??? DOes the game look fanstastic or not? Yes....it does. So? What's the problem?

Wow. This article is L-A-M-E!

[lamigol]

Firstly, this "cgi artist" needs a girlfriend or a blow up doll.
Secondly, KZ2 is amazing. It is the best FPS I have ever played.
I have not heard a single person say " I have an xbox 360 and would love to play KZ2, I find that sad and childish. I will admit that I used to own a 360 ( RROD ) and now own a PS3. I can however admit that I wish I could play Gears 2. I had Gears 1, which was probably the best game of its type. Loved it, but hey, times change, all hail the new game king......K I L L Z O N E 2.

[jack who]

reminds me of ummmmm GT HD? 3d cars in a fake 2d world

[Sin-CityGamer]

This guy is probably hating on KZ2 coz the graphics is probably better than any so called CGI projects hes done in his life... I bet it hurts when a game is prettier than your CGI... can I get an amen? nuff said... =P

[c64days]

i had to read only the first sanstence to understand it's a FANBOY ATTACK:

"I went into this with a totally open mindset. I went into this saying to myself maybe, just maybe I am about to witness something historical. Wrong! ..."

all fanboy artical starting this way...

[The Holy Trinity]

Whats all the fighting for? Im the only digital Jesus.

[aussieracer]

HAHAHA This article was obviously written by some kid who hasn't even played the game. Killzone 2 does have environmental lights. From the very first level you can quite blatantly see the sun. And it is very realistically casts shadows in the right direction.

I doubt anything this kid wrote has any merit to it.

The fact is Killzone 2 is the best looking FPS ever. If this is cheating, I wish every developer would cheat with their graphics :P

[bviperz]

LOLUMAD?!

[MGS4COD4HALO4]

Whoever wrote this article has no idea what the hell is he talking about. Especially when he is talking about the guns. He said that it is bad story telling because in the future we shouldn't be using bullets, but then said that halo is the most epic story ever. Tell me if I'm wrong, but halo takes place in the future doesn't it and it also uses bullets. So what the hell is he talking about. On the graphical part, I bet you killzone 2 will win best graphics when the awards start coming in.

[Sketchy]

Gears of War takes place in the future too, an it uses bullets. I guess in the future we won't be climbing ladders too, cause Master Chief just stands next to a ladder and floats up.

[Xbots play games]

For two months straight leading up to this we have seen nothing but this same site bashing Gears and Halo 3. Now you get 1 or 2 articles out of 30 actually criticising the game and all hell breaks loose. I've said it before and I'll say it again. When you keep going out of your way to ovderhype a game, by trying to smear others, the backlash wioll follow. Already, you hear the squeaks in the floor. Personally the whole illusion and shadow thing means absolutely nothing to a gamer. But, at the end of the day that is the least of this games problems.

[Gambit07]

I'm returning my copy! The game has fake shadows!

[aaron5829]

We all should return our copies and ask for refund because the CGI artist says Killzone 2 is SHADOW CHEATING !!

OMG, i cant help it... SHADOWN CHEATING ... if a CGI artist uses the term SHADOW CHEATING... hahahahaha.. OMG, sorry i cant help laugh while typing this.

[deadie]

oh another attention w***e trying to get his 15 minutes of fame?

Unfortunately for him its a doomed argument - lets just be honest and accept that KZ2 is the best looking game on consoles right now. Nobody likes liars. Simple as that.

Next.

[Digital Commando]

This guy just says he is a "CGI" artist.....whoa what? Okay so where does this so called CGI artist" work? Please people, move along. This is just some other idiot trying to get attention. Oh but don't worry N4G is all about that anyway. "cough" "hiphopgamer "cough"

[Chaoticsoulx]

there is no such term as shadow cheating, case closed.

with use of such highly technical terms, such as shadow cheating, you sure seem like a pro in the cgi field! lolllll, halo 3? did you even look at halo 3's graphics? it's not even hd, lol. k going back to playing killzone 2, and not halo or gears.

[Valkyrie83]

n4g has turned into a complete joke, thanks to articles like this one and HHG

[Chaoticsoulx]

you can lie to yourself if you want, but it's not going to change.

[MADPIRAHNA]

Killzone really hurt a lot of feelings didnt it? The cure is to buy a playstation and enjoy rather than hate and be jealous. Its not that I hate fanboys, I just hate annoying fanboys like this one.

[djroberts]

So basically the artist were so good, they tricked us into thinking the PS3 was rendering something wonderful looking. Instead it just looks wonderful for other reasons.

WTF is this guys defect?

[randomwiz]

Damn, now I appreciate the game less knowing that Killzone 2 cheated on the graphics, and there is A LOT of detail on the gun.(Sarcasm)

Guys, Dont blame this guy!!! or call him a fanboy because he's not. He's just telling us the truth of how GG did it.

[OldGamer]

It burns my retinas to try and read an article with white type on a black background.
Judging from the comments, I'm not missing anything.

And I think KZ2 is awesome.

[terrandragon]

Fanboy spies in PS3 sites? Oh noooeeeezzz!!!

[aaron5829]

These type of articles went quiet for a while... then Killzone 2 released , RE5 sells better on the PS3, then boom...

"Killzone 2 : Smoke and Mirrors."
"How the PS3 is failing"

This site seriously need a makeover.

[Dandiego]

KZ2 is for false gamers... Controls are horrible and you play it... you're a fake gamer. If you like graphics rent toy story, Madagascar or Ratatouille... I said it before Uncharted is still the top PS3 exclusive by a long shot. Hell MGS and Little Big Planet were ALOT better. Remember Dragon's Lair back in the days? People at the time said it was the best game ever because they had never seen something as nice... history repeats itself and KZ2 is the perfect example. People are ignoring a BIG factor that are controls to visuals. BTW who cares if you use false shading this is just a good place to give my opinion on KZ2's major flaws.

[airforcex]

I’m having a hard time saying that KZ2 looks better than Gears. It does not. Granted, both games have a very different feel and look to them, but some of the arguments made here are valid. Many stages are dark, and enclosed. The intro looks amazing but is not actual game-play.
The game is addictive and would shine even more with co-op. The lack of co-op places it behind Gears. Co-op is standard. The PSN experience is inferior to XBL (start using your Bluetooth people) but free. Again, start using Bluetooth!
Still, this is clearly the best PS3 game available. With XCM and a 360 controller, KZ2 plays like the best of the shooters. If I had to pick, GoW2 #1, KZ2 #2, CoD4 #3. Yes, I own all the games I wrote about.

[BMS84]

The way the story is written, it seems more like a jealous, pathetic person, most things don't make sense, maybe you have put the wrong game in the PS3.

[PS360PCROCKS]

lol no offense but this quote is so contradictory

"This is why just because you read an article on the internet does not mean the person who wrote it is an expert. Anyone can write articles on the internet and claim to be a professional."

I dunna about everything he is claiming. But who cares if they "cheat"? The game looks good, isn't that what matters? Isn't Gears cheating too? Who cares!!

[N4Garbage]

Hahaha love it when news like this gets out fanboys come out of the foxholes and cry there little hearts out.

Look at the comments and degrees lmao!!

[aaron5829]

When you keep trolling on any Sony bad news you can find...

But i'll never put you in my ignore list... as you are hilarious.. making idiotic comments.

[bewrong666]

sh!tty xbot :P