Solution for Killzone 2 controller lag

PS3Hype writes: 'The Killzone 2 demo was not very well received by everyone. This is because a leak would be between actions in the game and the movements you make with the controller. However, a member of PS3Hype.nl, XgamerX comes with a solution'.

[Zeus Lee]

What lag?

[chaosatom]

Raising the sensitivity would solve the problem because they want it to be fast.

GG gave the default controls of what they find best. They have been playing the game a long time, so I would certainly use their setting a couple of time and if someone doesn't like it, go to option menu to solve problem.

[butbutbuttehcell]

"Obviously, Media is going to use this to slash at Killzone 2."
The reviews are already out and they're very positive, so you can stop defending it to the death now. The whole media conspiracy thing against Killzone or Sony that you're refering to is only in your thick head. No one's slashing your precious game, but if it does happen, try not to stay awake at night thinkin about it

[shingo]

The controller doesn't lag at all, what the hell?

I think these are people who find it hard to adapt to the new controls. The game does feel and control different from other FPS but that to reflect its realism.

Game works fine, controls fine.

[solidt12]

Yeah what are they talking about. I thought the controls were very responsive. Another bashing article from the haters.

[pixelsword]

...if they keep it, people will say there's lag,

if the remove it, people will call it a "twitch-shooter" or a bunch of "floating guns" that have no feel of weight when you play.

Besides, I already said this solution.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

I have half a mind to report this as already posted. :D

(just kidding)

[Alcohog]

I've been just as confused as you with all this controller latency talk. I didn't experience it, nor has anyone else I know personally. I keep reading about it on N4G though.

[sonarus]

I heard there is lag for certain people. Some guy said he uninstalled and reinstalled it and his lag disappeared. All in his mind? or is the lag a real issue?

[WildArmed]

I dont see any lag..
I just sense weight to weapons.
I guess people have become accustomed to waving guns around like they dont weigh anything.
*cough* COD4 waving the LMG around like crazy*cough*
The good old days.

Can't wait for K2!

[Defiantmac]

There is a difference between control lag and a weighted feel to movement. When you go to aim and it doesn't react, and you go to stop aiming and it takes a little longer to stop than what you want, it is control lag... I have played games where aim felt weighted, and I have also played games where the controls lagged (Be it from a TV or whatever.) I experienced control lag when I was playing, it sucked for me, it was difficult to aim because it reacted late and ended late. I adjusted some settings and it worked better, but it was still there for me.

In conclusion, don't say "It doesn't lag" because for some people, apparently it does, and unless you have played what they are playing, how exactly can you say "It doesn't lag." if you want to say that, say "I was not having problems with the aiming." It's two completely different things.

BTW I can't wait for Killzone 2 to be released, I am not a hater, just saying what I experienced playing the demo.

[godofthunder10]

I have a 360 but what's the big deal.Every game has little things wrong with them but they still could be good games.I don't think that any game should have a perfect score.The fact is that to get a perfect score everything on the game should be perfect but we never had a game that's perfect yet not even KZ2,every game have a least a little problem with them.I'm tired of hearing ps3 fanboys crying and saying that Kz2 is a perfect game and 360 fanboys crying and saying it wont be a good game.The fact is that neither one of them know how the game will be.It might be a great game or it might sux we just don't know.

I don't agree with you and ps3 fanboys when you claim that the media is bias against the ps3 and the games on it.I was watching g4 the other night and they gave Kz2 a 5 out of 5 and said the only thing that could make it better was if it had online play.A ps3 fanboy was just plain stupid and pathetic and he just made a big a** of hisself.He sent an email telling them that they just hate the ps3 and they are bias against it.I like to know how someone could be bias and still give kz2 a 5 out of 5.I guess he wanted the guy to jump up and down and say it's the greatest game in the world and it made the ps3 the perfect system.Ps3 fanboys also said that the media was bias with lbp.The fact is that it got a perfect score or close to it.I'm also seen a lot of advertizement for it to unlike what ps3 fanboys claim.I've seen a ton of commercials about it.I've also seen it on the cover of a lot of game magazines to.

[GleX]

I've been testing it, great solution!

[Crazyglues]

because the stupid site is down...

[Mrs Helghast]

According XgamerX this is the solution:
Adjust the sensitivity of the Y and the X-axis otherwise.Do this via the menu, click Options, and go to control.Here you can find the X and Y axis set.

X axis should be 70% (or 80% what you do better)
Y axis must be 100% (or 90% if you find too sensitive)

(the bars consist of 10 parts. You can be the sensitivity with 10% increase or decrease)

[heroicjanitor]

That is their solution? Increasing sensitivity is a solution for finding the controls a bit slower than you like, if their was a lag problem trying to make it move faster would make things worse. Proof they are confusing lag with slow hulking movements right there.

[Crazyglues]

First Mrs Helghast thanks for the re-post that helped a little bit but was not the real problem for me... the real problem was the demo..

So heroicjanitor is right when he says this does not solve the problem..

But to my surprise it was the demo it's self that was bad.. which surprise the hell out of me... I downloaded a new copy like sum where saying and wow...

it's all fixed.. all the lag is gone, all the problems I had with the demo gone... I adjusted nothing and just played right after downloading the new copy...

and wow its' all fine...

so thanks to Kleptic below who said,

"what is confusing people is the stick acceleration vs. some people having a real issue with input lag...

many people have reported 100% input lag...tap square and it will be half a second before you reload...its there for any input from the controller...that is obviously something wrong...there are guys on my list that were also in the beta that explained this to me over the PSN...and that it was not right for them...I have not had this problem at all...

but all the guys on my list redownloaded the demo...and claimed that fixed it...no idea why 3 random guys would lie about that, as they don't even know each other...but they claimed the thread on the forum that recommended doing that worked completely...and it is back to exactly how it was in the beta..."

Thanks to him I re-downloaded and I'm in heaven it's all sweet now...

[Ahmay]

i didn't see anything. but after reading so much about it i check out my version and it has somewhat of a lag... the response time is a little slow.. the heavier weight is great. but, its in the right analog stick that gives me the problem for now. the slower response time makes it harder to aim... i compared it to cod waw witch i shouldn;t. but
anyways ill redownload and try it again.. it is just a demo...

I plan to

"Get N the Zone"

mid march...

[GWAVE]

I haven't seen any lag, but I hope this works for people experiencing any lag.

[Eddie20101]

No lag playing the demo or the beta. No one mentioned anything about controller lag when the game was in beta, don't get it.

[StanSmith]

killzone 2 controller lag? I haven`t experienced this whatsoever.

The lag that some people may be experiencing may actually be down to their HDTVs. Theres a thing called input lag which is basically to do with the response time which you ps3 can "talk" to you tv. If the response time on your tv is not that great then it will create this lag. Most do not notice this however i would expect its noticable on killzone due to its controls feeling like they have weight to them.

[Downtown boogey]

They don't really know that they're talking about

[dragunrising]

Think of the camera perspective not as a display with a gun. Instead picture the left analog stick as controlling your arms...and subsequently your gun. If you are holding a real gun and you jerk your arms to the left or right really fast, your aiming is going to suffer. Likewise, if your movements are slower and precise, your aim will improve. The movements in Killzone 2 translate to how fast your character can move the gun, not how fast you can move the aiming reticule.

I found this explanation on a blog and found it interesting. I can't find the original link or explanation. If someone remembers the article, post it here or in the forums.

[Baba1906]

havent had any lags on the demo. wierd.

[Kill Crow]

buy an xbox 360 with no controller lag !!!!

[PirateThom]

Then you won't be able to play Killzone 2... not really a solution.

[deathray]

the way i see it, the people who see "controller lag" in KZ2 really should just go back to COD. What they really want is new maps, not a new game.

Also, 360 is a POS.

[Oner]

It seems people don't truly comprehend or understand the situation fully.

[pshizle]

ugly modded xboxps3 controller

but hey it works

[GiantEnemyLobster]

Wait, people actually WANT to play Killzone 2? yea right!

[hydro-lx]

@1.5
either your same as crab, or your his little h00... no1 cares about your comments since you've been seen hating on ps3 on all its posts... get a life

[samich2007]

Watch Youtube, there are a lot of bullshit video's about controller lag in the Killzone 2 demo. I don't think it's lag, its just the realistic gameplay. But this is the solution for people who think its controller lag

[Mr Tretton]

So basically the article is telling you to do what you should have done in the first place....yeah I already changed the sensitivity, and to a little less than what they suggest. It's not going to 'work' for people who aren't open to the challenging gameplay which is the point of how the controls work.

Stop trying to make this COD4. Try practicing and developing some actual skill. The game is set up to make you fight for every kill and allow enemies to evade and create action packed shoot outs.

Guerilla deserves great credit for this,....here comes the word....

INNOVATION.

[Kleptic]

while I do use alt 2 as the configuration (did in the beta too)...I totally agree...people really need to stop trying to make killzone 2 cod 4...as there is nothing in these controls that are going to allow you to use martyrdom, effectively camp and rack up kills, or spam 3 grenades over buildings onto random people...

if you want cod 4...play cod 4...

surprising though to see the guy recommend y higher than x...I've been using 90% x, 70% y....this is the first I've seen someone wanting up/down movement faster than left/right...but whatever...alt 2, and hold zoom also though...that could be said to be 'close' to cod...but it still handles completely differently...you also need to get good at holding L2 and L1 simultaneously...which for whatever reason is driving some people crazy...I have no problem with it...

killzone 2 is unforgiving...I guarantee all these people desperately spamming boards trying to get GG to make it 'just like cod' are going to get fecking trashed online...you HAVE to accept that killzone 2 will always feel different than cod...its a different game, with a different feel...just because many refer to it as a sci-fi cod 4, doesn't mean the claims are anything more than ignorant observations from people that haven't played the game...the official site is completely wrecked with kids wanting it to 'drive' just like cod...as if having it handle just like cod will get them a foot in the door for killzone 2...believe me...ANYONE can be good at CoD...lots of auto-aim, with unnaturally fast look speed helps anyone...killzone 2 has ZERO auto-aim (save the slight correction for cover popping, which is not in the multiplayer anyway)...and keeps your look speed grounded realistically...if you want to spin a heavy weapon 180 degrees quickly, its not going to stop on a dime at your target, it will swing past it a bit...get used to it...once you do, I swear you will like it more than the other way around...

there are numerous reports of a real lag issue though...of which has been corrected for many by re-dl'ing the demo...I never experienced any lag whatsoever...it plays just like the beta for me, which took several hours for me to feel comfortable with (although the demo does give more sensitivity increments than what where in the beta, which did help)...and its well worth it...

but the 'i want cod' crap needs to stop...if you want cheap perks, lots of camping, and heavy auto-aim with high pan speed...stick to cod...you will never be happy with killzone 2...

[blackpanther25]

I have played Halo 2/3 some that the controls are stuck in my head. I use the COD4 controls in every other game like R2, but for some reason i like to use standard 2 (halo controls) in killzone 2. It is basically halo 2/3 controls on killzone. R2 (pressure sensitive which is better)to shoot and R3 is zoom in. I keep telling people try using the Trigger to shoot because the guns in killzone 2 are pressure sensitive.

Buy hey that's just how i like to play it.

[nsky171]

All the buttons on PS3 and PS2 Controllers are pressure sensitive, yes, even the face buttons, so using R1 for shooting becomes natural to most since you can use your REAL Trigger finger to hit it very easily.

[blackpanther25]

wow thanks for that info i thought it was for the triggers alone. I tried to do single shot with the R1 but it doesn't work for me so i tried with R2 and it worked so i thought the triggers were the only pressure sensitive buttons.

[darkdoom3000]

I haven't had any "controller lag".

But I've heard some people have it.

[Strife Lives]

I havnt played the demo (thought it might spoil the game for me) ,but seriously. . .is there any lag ? Because,how can some people have it? And some dont? Surely its not console or HDD dependent?

[PirateThom]

It's not lag, it's more like... when you turn, you don't reach full speed right away, it takes a moment to build full momentum and it lacks auto aim, which makes it hard for people to lock on. Basically, it's not an approachable game for people coming off twitch shooters where people are used to very fast movement and the ability to auto lock targets.

[Kleptic]

what is confusing people is the stick acceleration vs. some people having a real issue with input lag...

many people have reported 100% input lag...tap square and it will be half a second before you reload...its there for any input from the controller...that is obviously something wrong...there are guys on my list that were also in the beta that explained this to me over the PSN...and that it was not right for them...I have not had this problem at all...

but all the guys on my list redownloaded the demo...and claimed that fixed it...no idea why 3 random guys would lie about that, as they don't even know each other...but they claimed the thread on the forum that recommended doing that worked completely...and it is back to exactly how it was in the beta...

which still has stick acceleration that confuses people...cod doesn't have that...cod has small dead zones, so slight input move slowly...but it look speed stays constant with stick position...killzone 2 does not have that...look speed accelerates after a certain point, to a certain degree, with a constant stick position...that is where the 'weight' aspect is coming from...if you move the right stick all the way to the right...at first your gun moves slower than it does after a second or so...if that makes any sense...the speed changes, even though you can't move the stick any further...small adjustments are not effected by this...

it works differently for different players...some users are always slamming sticks, albeit quickly, for small adjustments...where as others will try to only move the stick half way to the edge...its the stick slammers that are getting completely fecked by killzone 2's stick acceleration...if you are slow and precise with your movements, you will have NO problem...if you are constantly hitting the stick edges trying to move a 1/4 inch on screen...you are probably on the official forums whining about the game not playing like cod also...

this is exactly why so many prefer cod...its very forgiving for any type of player...lots of auto-aim allows you to make ridiculously imprecise adjustments and still hit your target...and zero stick acceleration...while creating a very unrealistic and floaty sensation to looking around...is exactly what sloppy players need to stay competitive...

expect killzone 2 to have a very broad distribution in player ability...the guys that get it, and accept the fact that killzone 2 takes a lot more time an patience to master, are going to be the guys to watch out for...the people that think they can just run in there with maxed sensitivity...and let some auto-aim do the rest for them are going to be pretty upset...cod doesn't have that distribution...anyone can play it, be great at it, with zero thought or practice...I personally am very happy that GG took it upon themselves to make a shooter with zero auto-aim for a console...and dropped in a little acceleration to really make it interesting...

[redsquad]

I haven't experienced any. I press R1 and the gun fires right away.
The right stick has a larger than normal 'deadzone', meaning you have to push it further to get a reaction - At first I thought people were misinterpreting this as 'lag', but then they started to say it was on the buttons too (but not the left stick, oddly).

Three choices here:
1 - The lag is in EVERY demo but some people adjust quickly and don't notice.
2 - The lag isn't in ANY demo and the 'weightier' controls bother some people.
3 - The lag is in SOME of the demos and this means it's some kind of bug that shouldn't be present in the final release.

I can't hazard a guess which is true, although as people have reported 'button lag' as well as 'stick lag', number 3 seems the most logical.
Like I said, I felt the controls were fine on my version.

[Kleptic]

well somebody posted a 2000 word essay on what exactly could have caused input lag in only some of the demos...claiming some code errors to only some users because of the insanely high amount of clients that were downloading the demo at once...

i've seen stuff like this with database backups...where some information is lost seemingly randomly for no reason whatsoever...but, in a video game, loss of information would usually create a corrupt file...that the PS3 could then not install...i don't know...its pretty bizarre...but some that have thought about it a lot longer than I have claim a certain bit of program code could have been lost during the heavy initial traffic on the download servers...and many have verified that re-installing the game remedied the lag...

but there are over 100 counts of people having measurable input lag...on all kinds of different TVs (that was the other one, some were blaming it on TV response time) with 'game mode' settings...and almost everyone that claimed to have it, tried re-dl'ing the demo as per musterbuster's recommendation (the community leader at killzone.com)...and said it fixed it...

to anyone confused by this...if you are having input lag...its on EVERY button...press R1 to fire, the gun goes off a noticeable amount of time after...some claim certain inputs never even register...where you try to reload, and it simply doesn't register you pressing square...and you have to press it again, sometimes several times, to get it to work...this is seemingly loaclized and a small margin of users...but its gets worse because many see 'lag' in a thread title and say 'yeah I have that, killzone 2 feels laggy'...but they are really just not used to how the game plays, and think its laggy because it doesn't have insane look speed...

thats all I can make out of it...i have had no 'lag' issues...and played 40 hours of the beta, so was already used to the way the game feels...

[Klopek]

There is definitive lag/input latency. The people who don't notice it should not be commenting because you clearly don't know what the problem is. It's not "realistic weight" and it's not related to the acceleration or sensitivity settings. It's simply the amount of time it takes for the game to acknowledge your input. If you press right on the analogue stick it takes, according to some reports, 266-300ms for this to be represented on screen. It's not how fast it takes to reach full turning speed or any other rubbish people are stating.

Personally, this bothers me greatly. However, I have absolutely no doubt that people will become accustom to this latency to the point where it will no longer affect them. People who are redownloading the demo and claiming it's magically fixed are experiencing the placebo effect. They've merely adjusted automatically.

For the record, I really want the latency reduced but I do think the game is quite awesome. I have it pre-ordered and I've played COD4+5 for no longer than 30 minutes so just forget all that "twitch shooter" nonsense.

[peeps]

i wouldn't call it 'lag' as such. All that happens is the game does react but the movement start of slower and gets faster which most people find hard because they're used to 'point and click' kinda games such as COD.

I'll give these a go tho cus it is hard to get used to the controls and i never thought about having the x and y at different levels, always just stuck em at the same level around 90%

[redsquad]

I'm a 'die hard PS3' fan, have been playing FPS games since their inception (floppy disc WOLFENSTEIN!) and loved the KZ2 controls, settling in instantly and enjoying a terrific experience. You always automatically believe the negative reports anyway, so what's your point?
It's downright foolish to cancel a preorder based on the alleged demo 'lag' - If it's a problem in the final game (and word is it ISN'T!) then it'll be fixed. If it isn't a problem with the final game, they'll be missing out.

Emotive nonesense designed to inflame so that you can point to the 'Fanboy' articles surfacing yesterday and go "See? See? You ARE all like that!"

[Firstkn1ghT]

Sometimes the idea is better on paper than the end result and the "heavy" aiming in KZ2 is a good example. It's just plain sluggish.

[GEESE]

Anyway back on topic, what lag? There is no such thing.

[PirateThom]

Yeah, it's becoming very, very obvious the people who have yet to play and are just regurgitating what they heard someone else say.

[Firstkn1ghT]

Actually I have played it. And I thought the control was horrible. If you don't believe that I did than go ahead and put me on ignore cuz you clearly can't take criticism. My cousin who is a die hard ps3 fan and loves fps also hated the controls. He actually canceled his preorder and went back to COD4. Face it man, the idea is better on paper than it is in the end result. A lot of people are complaining about it. I expect a patch soon. Just like the control mess in Lair, a patch soon came out after.

[PirateThom]

Not a single reviewer complained about it, most people who actually played it didn't complain about it.

Face it, you're taking crap.

All a patch would do is make it like every other FPS out there. In which case, I won't play it.

[Mrs Helghast]

Uh yah, you have a PS3. Sure. Whatever you say.
It makes sense to bash the console you own. Doi.
Say whatever you want. Whatever floats your boat.
Whatever makes you sleep easier at night.
(ooooh the ps3 is doomed.. yesh it ish widdle teddy bear.. i wuuuuv you..)

[GEESE]

**quote**
"My cousin who is a die hard ps3 fan and loves fps also hated the controls. He actually canceled his preorder and went back to COD4."

ROFL!! That's pure hore$h1t. Even in your waffles you throw in some anti ps3 rubbish!

YOU FAIL

[Firstkn1ghT]

"All a patch would do is make it like every other FPS out there"

LMAO! It IS like every other fps out there. Except for the non responsive controls of course. And I never said I owned a ps3. Hate all you want. It's a problem for many gamers. I can see why Amazon and Gamestop preorders plummeted after the demo's release.

[Mrs Helghast]

Oh you don't have a PS3... so why talk about Killzone 2 then..?
Why bash a game that has nothing to do with you..? What's the point..?
Sheesh.

[LinuxGuru]

What lag?

FUD

[Oner]

I am only replying to you Guru because you are an informed and rational person. But there is an issue for those who have it or notice it. I have posted my thoughts on it numerous times already but here is the gist of it ~

"I don't have a problem with the weight per se. Just the amount of time it takes to start/stop from the moment I press or release a button and/or motion the right stick...it's really pretty frustrating when you let go of the stick and the action takes a moment to register OR keeps moving afterwards thus forcing additional re-adjustments that kill the immersion."

There are more than enough videos out there that show the issue clearly but these first 2 show it best and the third shows how much better it is in R2

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Even Seb Downie/MotherH666 (QA Manager @ GG) has said "I don't have that myself, but I see what you guys mean". So it is nothing about the weight characteristic, my TV, settings or whatever else (as I have discussed this to no end as well)....let it be know too that I am not saying KZ2 sucks or is bad. But for me it is evident that the control delay detracts from the gameplay enough that it's not fun, thus I won't be able to enjoy it properly.

So I will probably rent it when released in hopes that it's not in the retail version. But if it is, I will just be relegated playing the SP campaign and power through it for the storyline and some trophies. But to not be able to play the MP properly is gonna suck, so that is why I may have to cancel my paid in full pre-order.

I could go on and explain the amount of experience I have in FPS's, and with real Firearms PLUS how much of a Sony supporter I am....but it wouldn't stop people from disagreeing with me, even with the obvious time delay that I notably feel and that of which is shown in the videos as proof.

[dragunrising]

Someone removed the videos off of youtube :-p

Also, you say there is input lag on the right analog stick yet; I don't see it as lag but delayed response. In video games we are used to pressing a button and instantly seeing the in game reaction. What if you throw in physics and momentum? Imagine holding a gun in real life and jerking it left to right to center and taking a shot. Not surprisingly its not going to be very accurate. The time it takes to pull off a precise shot requires time an hence the "input lag". Our bodies are in constant motion. No one and i mean no one is able to hold a shotgun at a 40 degree angle above their head and pull off a shot without delay.

Think of controlling a character that is actually holding a gun and not just a camera. It takes time to swing the gun into a precise position to shoot. Look at the camera and gun as arms that move the perspective. I wonder if there would be as many complaints about lag if auto aim was enabled? Personally, I wouldn't change a thing about the controls.

[Oner]

The videos are still there. Along with that this has already been confirmed by Seb Downie @ Guerrilla Games already. So there is an issue that has been seen internally at GG as well. But as of right now they are saying that it somehow pertains to or is localized to the Demo itself (supposedly).

[LinuxGuru]

It's not lag, it's the way it's designed to be. I've played plenty of games that have similar feel to it.

Besides, with a higher sensitivity, my aiming would be so erratic it's not even funny.

[deividpaulo]

CONTROLLER LAG?? WTF are you talkink about??

[Adolph Fitler]

Firstnight, you are thinking of Haze and PDZ.. Perfect examples of good ideas on paper, gone horribly wrong in practice. Killzone 2 on the other hand feels right on. Plays like no other fps before it, and adds something to the gameplay to make it feel way more realistic and challenging, without being overly realistic and awkward.

If the full game plays like the demo, then sweeeet. If you wanna talk about dodgy controls and sluggishness, I will simply refer to console versions of rainbow 6 and graw. They feel terribly slow and sluggish, and they don't even counter it very well with realism.

[marcindpol]

there is no fcuking lag!

the ones who are complaining have got laggy brains!!

thats it

[Defiantmac]

I'm confused that when I hit a button it responds way late, that's just my imagination.

[solidworm]

the green dot comes up,........i like it cos im good enough a player for it not to matter

[flOw]

Lag? WTF?

[Tom_York]

I haven't played the full version so i don't know if this lag exists, but there was no such problem in the beta. As people are saying "it's not cod4 and the shooting requires some learning" if you don't want to master it then go play cod4 it's simple really.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

...BULLSH!T!!! ;-D I have played it BILLIONS of times and it's perfect??? BULLSH!T People, BULLSH!T internet sites, PURE BULLSH!T...

[Kill Crow]

to see the lag ....

[pwnsause]

yea, our brains are too slow, thats why Im able to headshot each and every Helghast like there is no tomorrow in the Demo with the Defualt Settings.

This is KILLZONE, not COD or HALO, Or Resistance. This is not your typical Arcade Shooter. This is a game aiming for realism. Adapt to the controls or be left behind. Dont Buy it if you want, and go buy new maps for COD since thats the type of shooter you want to play.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

i'm used to the "lag" so to speak.. it's no big deal but I can see some people being annoyed if they tap the shoot button and the TV doesn't respond until .004 or whatever seconds later... that could be the difference between a headshot and a complete miss.

[badkolo]

EXACTLY.

IF you dont experince thise lag then sony needs to fix it becuase then its not the game its a problem. if everyone is experienceing this then the game is broken, stop saying its slow or its the weight of the character, when you fire there is a delay, so what does that have to do with the character, thats broken controls.

[badkolo]

guys there is a lag, stop accusing people of lying, there is lag with the shotting and the right stick, and NO its not the slow movement, ilike that part, its an actual delay form the moment you use the right stick or fire trigger to when that shows up on screen.

I listened to you guys and moved the ps3 to another tv and still there was lag, i put it back to the sony bravia and the lag is still there.

its not the movement of the game its a delay in the responce. I can see the and feel the difference between the gradually movement guerilla wants us to play with versus a delay in responce.

I have a new 52 sony bravia, i tried all settings, its the game and not the tv. It would be sad if a sony system and tv didnt work together, so its not the tv, i tried on my samsung, its not the tv.

Theres a reason so many are caling it a lag(delay). its not the aiming or the controls nor does it need to be like cod4, but when i fire it should fire at the same time, when i move the right stick it should move, instead there isa delay, no not the blur that happens that no one is bothered by but the delay in responce time, thats broken.

MAYBE ITS THE DEMO , im buying the game regardless becuase when i adjust sensitity it fixes the issue to a point.

[crematory]

i got the full game , the slow controller respond still there , but mp(with bots)controller littel faster

[Firstkn1ghT]

I have also played it and the control is non responsive. It's slight but it can make a huge difference especially in multiplayer. Stop pretending it's not there.

[GEESE]

Im trying it right now...I press fire it fires instantly. I move and it moves perfectly. WTH? What do you mean lag?
Sounds like BS.
Just for comparison I booted up COD4 to compare, I put the sense up on KZ2 and use alternate 2 ctrls....no difference, no lag.
FAIL ARTICLE
FAIL FIRSTSH!TE
FAIL BADKOLO

[WIIIS1]

This proposed solution does diminish the lag time. I'm starting to think the lag is bearable now.

[badkolo]

well im sorry to say if thats the case then the game is borken, unless shoddy controls is something we overlook.

This isnt a knock at the game, im droolin waiting, and im willing to overlook the responce lag issue but i wont be fooled, if like you guys said its in the final retail build then guerilla better fix that.

None of the reviewers mention it yet many many people who played it say they see the issue. So how is bad responce time in controls so overlooked.

[xionpunk]

There's nothing wrong with the controls. The End. :D

Unless there is a problem with particular tvs, I really cant see any control issues.

[BMS84]

If you read my posts , i like K2 a lot and it's not negative, some people including me needed time to addopt to the control system and what this guy posted (solution) helped me a bit ,imo the best option for the control settings, and with "lag" they mean " controls are new, and maybe on the difficult site for some people"

[yojoe26]

with the button layout at first, but when I switched to alternate 2 and picked the sensitivity up a bit it made the controls perfect to my liking! I've played the demo so many times now it is ridiculous. I will probably play it all the way up until release! However, the only thing I really wish this game had was the ability to lay down. I am almost always a sniper when I play multiplayer and I'm afraid it's going to be hard for me to snipe and remain hidden the way I want to without the ability to lay down. We'll have to see though. Otherwise, this game is PERFECT to me!!

[BMS84]

posted by samich2007 , you wanna get a high score.. F***ing thief

[mastiffchild]

You say that like this "lag" is a problem for everyone and it plainly isn't. My friend couldn't believe how the demo played at mine so I went to play it on his and, yes, there was something up but it wasn't very noticable so re redownloaded and there is no problem at all now.

If I hadn't played it at his house(and tbh it just felt more as though you were playing stoned or drunk slightly as much as anything-just a little off but hard to say why without doing button press tests-and those only showed a tiny discrepency)I would have thought this was just down to people not liking the (brilliant and better than any shooter I've ever played-I get frustrated with COD4 as it's so floaty it's unbelievable)controls and the added weight.

[BMS84]

It's just because some people were complaining about difficult controls and i tried that dude's option and the controls were imo a little easier that's it there is no lag!

[DJ]

Resistance and Halo especially.

[DJ]

And there is no lag. Just because you can't whip around at lightening speed like in Call of Duty or Resistance doesn't mean there's something wrong. If anything, this is the first FPS game that finally gets the controls right.

Your character has weight and a certain amount of strength to hold his gun, and thus aims appropriately. Even the slope of the ground and various objects littering it affect how you aim in KZ2. It's frickin' awesome.

[ToeKneeHaze]

The only lag I ever had was the usual TV to GAME lag which I fixed by changing the resolution of the PS3 to match the native res of my TV.

Lag gone.

This happens not only in Killzone 2 but Halo 3, rock band. etc etc

so so I am sick of hearing this lag talk. people are either vacant upstairs or just like to complain bc they are too lazy to think.

[biloz]

i played COD4 for more than 400 online hour, and it's still the best so far since KZ2 still not released, now for me when i play KZ2 demo then try to go back and play COD4 i feel that COD4 is responding to my actions soo quickly just like i'm not holding a gun or whatever while in KZ2 you feel just like you are holding the gun in ur own hand and not in a ps3 controller and i think it was meant to be like that.....COD4 was the beginning and we'll never forget the experience but lets be honest KZ2 rules in every aspect...sorry for my bad lang I'm arabian

[trancefreak]

Ya man so utterly agree! Bubbles up

[THE TRUTH]

I'm sorry but I have not personally experienced any of this so called "controller lag". But I for one love the controls for Killzone 2, no more dumbed-downed FPS's where anyone can just jump in and play! I'm sorry but CoD4 had it's time and place but that game seems to be centered at artifically upgrading novice players gamers to match that of veteran players. Now when we play Killzone 2 if you want to talk your trash in-game you better be able to put a bullet where my face is because the "auto-aim ain't going to save your ass!

I garuntee those gamers (the ones that actually will play Killzone 2) who whine about the controls now, and say things like "I need my controls like CoD4" are the same gamers who will try and bash the game after THE TRUTH smacks them in the forehead! Now it's on, it's about time we seperated the truly great players and clans from the weak pretenders!

2 weeks from now THE TRUTH about who's a real gamer and who isn't will be revealed! Don't say I didn't warn you though!

[xg-ei8ht]

Play the demo.

It's not broken, nothing wrong with it.

It feels weighty.

It's not a platformer like cod4.

[PureGamer]

Nothing like this in the real game where it actually matters, not some sh1tty demo.

[Eddie20101]

Out of the many reviews I have read, none of them mentioned any controller lag, even the couple of bad ones didn't mention it. I played the game, and I have played many FPS's, I did not experience any controller lag and I did not have a problem getting used to the control scheme.

Everyone Knows if there was a problem with controller lag it would have easily been mentioned in every review of the PS3 game.

[phalanges]

but that's part of the game. GG wants the realism from holding a gun. It plays perfectly, imo.

[artsaber]

If it was "LAG" it would not matter how you set you controller sensitivity, your controller would still NOT respond when you made a movement, it would stutter on the screen in an attempt to keep up with your last action. It would go by slowly with the default setting, speed up the axis sensitivity, you would experience the SAME stutter, but with a quicker or longer distance movement over the same stuttering connection. Enough said...

Please understand what the hell "LAG" truly is. There is no LAG in Killzone 2 controls, there is a variation of speed response linked to the Analog controls that can be adjusted by the Menu's axis sensitivity settings. An example of LAG would be you move your joystick forward, and 2 seconds later your character starts to move. It is quite the opposite, Killzone2 controls are very accurate and responsive.

Next thing you'll want is a "RECOIL DISABLE" feature because it screws up your aiming. I am understanding that 90% of you may have never shot a REAL weapon, but that is what they actually do.

[badkolo]

when i pull the trigger on my gun it shoots, not a second later, so now killzone 2 has weight on the trigger that delays it to shoot. get real.

If what i am expreiencing in the demo is in the final game then its broken and you guys will defend broken controls.

weight and actual responce time are 2 different things.

[The_Kills]

They just wont comment on nearly every vid showcasing 1/3rd of a second of a delay on the controls. Its been proven, end of story. All this does is just adjust speed in which the reticle moves after (being the keyword) it has engaged in motion.

[Checkmate]

that when you're sprinting and you try to turn it is extremely slow? That seems to only happen when you're sprinting though. I've played the demo like 50 times and love it by the way. I just found it weird not being able to turn while sprinting. Anyone else notice this?

[yojoe26]

That will definitely take some getting use to for me. It's not that big of a deal, but it will take some getting use to. Hopefully there won't be a lot of corridor levels in the final game as that will make it kind of awkward to get away from somebody while turning a corner. I'll be nailing the walls like a bloody drunk!! hehe...I absolutely cannot wait for this monumentally awesome game though!

PSN Frodo25

[LinuxGuru]

Can YOU make tight turns while running at full speed and wearing armor and holding grenades, pistols, and rifles?

I didn't think so.

[Mariodotjpg]

Forget that.

How 'bout X: 100%, Y: 100%?

[cronaldo7]

Andre Segers from GameSpot started this lag thing on internet in this video:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3...
go to 2:55

[BMS84]

Some people who played K2 were saying the controls , were quite difficult and didn't no which controller setting to use, and this guy only explains which one works the best, and the word "lag" is blown up here , because it's a PS3 site , it is not a negative article, i also know that there is no "lag"

Edit : And once again @ samich2007 , you re just a pathetic, greedy looser.

[Yomiro]

I have beaten this game in all the languages on default mode control with no problem. It just a smear campaign to bring down the game

[PimplePopperMD]

hardly a solution.

[badkolo]

maybe the guys at gamespot are lying to, its there, its not a major issue but its there.

[BMS84]

People who are dumb and can't handle the controls something like that.. A easier way to play the K2 DEMO , like that article that was posted by a guy a week ago , that he died 10 times , total Bull**** , i died only 2 times and played the demo 15 times..

[Defiantmac]

Cause your copy of the game doesn't lag, that means everyone elses doesn't lag?

You're the fool, saying something doesn't exist because you haven't seen it happen, it's honestly the most fanboyish thing I have seen. I support Sony and Killzone, but my god... People are terrible at realizing that if there are articles ALL OVER THE PLACE, and people who HAVE AND LIKE A PS3 are having problems, then it MIGHT, just MIGHT exist.

Lets use that logic everywhere else in gaming too. Lets say I get an xbox 360 and I dont get RROD, so because I never got RROD means it doesn't exist anywhere else because it never happened to me, people must be insane if they got RROD!!!

[cleanhealthy12]

its just a slow game due to the weight of the guns (realistic)

its not a bad thing, infact i like it.

[cleanhealthy12]

pathetic sony losers will disagree of course

[Bullseye]

and there are issues with it! Call it lag,blur,delayed reactions or weighty realism,it's all a matter of perception, but whatever you choose to call it, it's definitely there! Now, is it beneficial or detracting of the gameplay? Personally, i don't think it's intentional, but hey, maybe the devs will remove it and prove me wrong.And if some of you guys prefer to think it's a plus point, then who am i to argue, if that's your view, fine with me.I was up for buying this game, but the more i play the demo the more it annoys me, so now i'm a maybe purchaser. After the time AND money spent on this title, i'm not too impressed.

[agentfoxe-n4g]

I've played the demo and I don't feel the lag. Or rather, I think my skill as FPS player is low-enough that I don't notice it.
However, having examined videos and supporting thesis as well as disagreements, I've observed:
* People are being nit-picky.
* Is the design decision partly due to the lack of CPU resources for proper sampling of the controller input subsystem?

As rich and awesome the game appears, I wonder if this design decision wasn't based on the CPU budget they have left.

While the SPUs can be used for all sorts of post-processing deliciousness, its not feasible to task them with the controller subsystem.

Anyways, just my thought. The only persons who can answer this question are the developers. And it would take a might big pair to have them admit that they goofed up and that things could've been better input-wise.

However, given that people have played multi-player and did not complain about targetting issues.,

[Defiantmac]

Honestly, I understand that you don't have input lag, I understand that Killzone 2 is on the PS3 and its going to be the greatest game ever made yatta yatta, I get it.

Look, I have a PS3, I don't have a 360, I like my PS3 alot and I am excited about the PS3 and Killzone 2, but some people ARE experiencing input lag. It's getting ridiculous to see the comments on these articles as "What input lag, there is none, people just flaming sony" over, and over, and over again. There is input lag for SOME people, stop saying that it's "weight" and that people are used to "twitchy shooters" I have probably played as many shooters as most people, hell, I started with Cannon Fodder back on the pc a LONG LONG time ago. There is a difference between twitchy and lagged input. I am experiencing lagged input. Killzone 2 is allowed to have a flaw guys, stop posting all this bullsh!t about how people are insane who are having input lag, because when i go to jump and it reacts noticeably late, it isn't a "weighted" feel, its input lag.

If you aren't having the problem, good for you, don't say it doesn't exist though because you're being completely ignorant.

[GlibGamer]

Lag = high latency while data is passed. This is a hardware issue, unless the coding is causing the system to go "durrrr" after it's received the input.

Slower joystick acceleration = weight. This simulates what happens in real life with weapons. A lot of you can't speak from experience on this, I can. A loaded assault rifle that weighs 8+lbs is NOT going to just stop moving in the blink of an eye because you stopped pushing it in the direction you wanted to aim. It has mass, and therefore will have kinetic energy that will either dissipate or you have to impart an equal force in the other direction to stop its movement.

Home experiment for the CoD4 kiddies to try: Take an 8lb bowling ball, hold it out in front of you, twist your upper body hard in any direction and see if it stops on a dime when you stop exerting force on it... betcha it won't.

Props to GG for implementing what it's like to really handle a weapon in their game. Just because CoD4 didn't do it, doesn't mean this game is flawed. I enjoyed the demo and my preorder stands. You either like it or don't, it's that simple.

[Defiantmac]

And I am still having a lag or latency problem as you put it.

I know the difference between a weighted effect, and lag.

I am experiencing lag, as are many others.

I understand what GG was trying to do, I can see it, I can also feel a noticeable lag that is not a weighted effect, its just plain lag for me.

[GlibGamer]

Hey, I'm not disagreeing that you're having a problem with either hardware (possible) or coding (likely). That sucks, and I hope you can play it without the lag, because it's a fun game and the weighted effect makes you think about smart manipulation of your weapon and how you move from target to target to engage the enemy.

I just wanted to clarify the two different issues that seem to be at hand here. One is the fault of GG, the other is an intentional game design feature implemented at the risk of pissing off the twitch shooters. I hope they fix this random lag issue some users seem to experience, because that's weaksauce.

[agentfoxe-n4g]

You're correct. Slower response does simulate real-life weight. However, one of the questions being raised is why this is not proportional to the weapon at hand.

If I may, your bowling ball analogy is correct. However, what about the same real-life response if instead the person had in their hand a tennis ball?

This is the gist of most valid complaints.

[GlibGamer]

Point taken, and agreed. A pistol should be a weapon that handles quickly, and I did find the way it handled very odd in the game... I was thinking it must have been a damn heavy revolver in the demo. :D

[aiphanes]

Only in the demo...so just wait the two weeks and get the final game!

[StraightupGee]

If anyone wants PM as soon as you read this first come first serve 1 left guys

[donnie-2105]

demo showed a great game that plays brill cant help but feel disappointed by the graphics although very very nice thet did not blow me away like i thought they would.wwas this a earlier build

[BiG_LU]

I believe there will be noobs all the time but what we can do is like live without air is always to be something to complaint about but if they feel happy in that way then let them manipulate whatever they want, we still gonna own them lol.