Killzone 2 controller lag might be demo-only issue.

Guerrilla dev answers some questions on the official Killzone forums.
One gamer asked for the controller lag issue and Mother666 had this to say:

´´This is something I am looking into at present. Will let folks know soon enough, but we think it is a demo-only related issue.''

[Hellsvacancy]

All these people moaning about the controls hav any of them thought to themselves that maybe the controls are fine its the idiots usin them thats the problem

[Ninja-Sama]

I've played the demo so many times and the more I play it the more I realise how much better the gunplay is compared to other games.

It isn't that spray and pray noob BS you get in so many other games. You actually have to aim your gun in this game and fire in controlled bursts ala counter-strike. I love it.

[ultimolu]

I'm playing the demo until I master the controls. But other than that, it works like a charm for me.

OMG, 17 more days! *___*

[meepmoopmeep]

it took me my 2nd/3rd replay to get use to the controls again.
no problems on my end.

a good gamer is one that can conform to every game's controls

[PS360WII]

Well I don't think people are idiots if they don't like a controller setting.

That said I kind of liked that delay. It's like the delay we all have from having your brain tell you to do something until your body does it. Takes some getting use to but makes it a fun challenge.

[Shroom]

I don't know, but the "lag" could be the tv the people are using. My roomie's tv creates a slight lag when played through component cables.
Switched to vga cable and lag was gone.
Just an idea.

[Cool Hwhip]

On a slightly different note,it took me 4 playthroughs of the demo to realize I have a Knife at my disposal(With Alternate 2 on,hit the right button on the D-pad).

[jwatt]

That's the same thing I've been doing, playing the demo over and over so I could be one of the best online.

[Shadow Flare]

Sorry, what controller lag?

[gamesmaster]

its the weightiness that guerrilla added to the game to add realism. people seem to think its a problem...

[joydestroy]

yup, i've played the demo now several times over and each time the controls just feel more and more natural. i've never played any demo as much as i've played this one lol

[Ryo-Hazuki]

there is no such thing as a control issue on killzone 2.....whats so hard about switching to alternate 2 and turn on the zoom hold function...and BAMM..

[jBat17]

* the ads are lame, not a bad-ass diorama, which a kid in middle school can do
* haha, did not solded 11 millzions copies liek gaylo 3 on day #1
* ok, so the KZ2 is the king of all fps BUT ps3 controller sucks for fps
* der are more ODST sales than KZ2, patetic
* cod4:MW2 will pwn this one. we jsut needs to wait 9 months

[gaffyh]

It's not even a huge issue, I personally didn't even feel the lag.

[cryymoar]

the same people who couldn't get the controls for LAIR right cause they were too slow, stupid, and lazy.

[Tarasque]

Man alot of defensive peeps on here, Yeah no control problems it's the person playing. Just like the person playing is causing constant frame drops.......RHMFE. A foreal gamer wouldn't cause frame drops they would adapt and look at the ground while playing. Maybe it is my problem when i hit my reload buttons 3 times and it still doesn't respond, maybe you are right i need to adapt maybe i need to play the whole demo only using a knife. Maybe i am not using my right thumbstick right is there any other way to use it, other than moving it around. Fill me in cause if i am not using my thumbstick right and cause it not to respond as it should then please help me.

[beavis4play]

i think they fit in fine with the realism of the game. i love the way the demo plays. i think the game would lose something to make it like UR tournament or COD.

[dantesparda]

The problems is YOU and you're fanboyism, cuz there is no problem with the controls. There is nothing wrong with the controls. The problem that people are having is that when you turn to the left or right, the gun doesnt turn at a 100 miles an hour and i guess alot of people prefer that, because thats what they're used to. Whereas I appreciate the extra feel that the speed of Killzone 2's turning speed gives you, its more realistic and has more feeling. Just turn up the sensitivity and it will at least speed it up for you. Maybe not give you the million miles an hour speed that some of youse are looking for. But it'll speed it up for you none-the-less. And the other issue that some people are having with the controls is they are not exactly the same/mapped out like COD4. And even though you can get it close enough to that game, people (cough, 360 fanboys mainly) still wanna complain about it. Its all just a "preference" issue more than a actual problem with the controls. And that is not a problem with the game, but rather a problem with you and your preferences.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I think I have a s-s-s-stuttering problem with my eyes because all I see is d-d-d-denial. Need proof? go to the Sony forums there is a huge list of people talking about this.

[Tarasque]

Maybe you can't read well, or maybe you are trying to be a defensive @#$%. I said nothing about the aiming speed which i turned it up in the demo anywho. When i make valid points of hitting a button 3 times and it still not responding you are going to be a lame arse and tell me adjust my aiming speed and call me a fanboy, you can try to blow smoke up my @ss all you want i played the demo and and the frame drops and controls ruined it for me i repeat RUINED it for me. Just like any other fanboy in denial. To clarify, it's not about slow turning/aiming speed, it's about the acceleration of that speed and the responsiveness of the moment you move the stick, and which the gun responds. Sorry it doesn't fly with me the controls suck and nothing you can say or do will change the fact, so live with it.

[uie4rhig]

to shut everyone up, they should allow you to customise the controls however you want, you can assignment what running is etc.. only then we can move on to the next 'kz2 sux' argument which will then be killed, and we start all over again

MEH!!!!

[nycredude]

Who are you two kidding? Do you think all of us on N4g are idiots? The two of you have been trolling everything Killzone 2 related and bashing the game for the longest. I doubt you guys even have a Ps3, let alone played the demo. Because unless you too are blind, there is no denying how good the game is. Maybe you should try playing the game with your eyes open.

On a different note if the demo pissed you off and the controls ruined it for you then don't buy it. Go play Fear two since it is out tomorrow. Seriously continuing to troll in the threads and crying about the controls when it is obvious you don't fancy the game is retarded!

At the ones who are really having, I have played the demo and I know many people who have and none of them have this problem. Hopefully it is an isolated issue but if not I am sure it is or will be fixed for release. Just relax.

FYI Gears of War 2 MP was JUST fixed for christ sakes.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Those two xbox fanboys are just trolling and exaggerating. It's either that or they lack basic adaptation skills.

[YoMeViet]

come on guys....don't feed the trolls!

The controls are awesome, alt 2 is CoD4 style so there is NO need to complain unless you all hated Cod4 controls. Only thing I like to see is a toggle for cover and not a hold for cover, b/c its hate holding down both L1 + L2 to shoot. Other then that, you are all so dead on the 27th MUHAHAHAH

PSN: youmeviet1133

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

http://boardsus.playstation... 8 pages of lag complaint... but hey, it doesn't exist right?

<---walks away whistling

[pixelsword]

It's eight pages all right... but not all of them were complaining; it was eight pages of various things; but the most telling is this one on the first page:

"No one ever messes with settings..Sigh"

I have a problem that I will address on the forums, but it's for something else

*walks away whistling as well*

[FrankenLife]

This is something that I have been following. The demo that I am playing on my TV is fine. I see what some people are calling controller lag, but I have no problem with it. I found one video that slows down to show number of frames difference. I don't know what is causing this, but if you doubt it, then check this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Oner]

It's actually more than just those 8 pages in that 1 thread.

250 pages and counting in the official thread.
http://boardsus.playstation...

As well as numerous singular threads have been closed and/or removed. It is not as small of an issue as people think it is. Even Seb Downie the QA Manager of GG stated "I don't have that myself, but I see what you guys mean"

Source ~ http://boardsus.playstation...

So it is a visible issue that he has acknowledged. Now we have to wait and see what happens....

[AshleyRiot]

@frankenlife and oner- Problem with those videos is nobody plays games frame by frame or in slow motion. If there's a problem in the demo it sure isn't in mine. BTW reviews are in too no mention of this. If there was a problem it sure as hell would be mentioned. The controls in K2 are intended to have a more weighty feel to them. Actually you know what Play mag did mention something about the controls. Here you go "Using those guns takes more skill then your typical FPS,with attention to speed of fire,reloads,and burst patterns coming into play in nifty ways;the beefy size of the enemy and dialed up hit points can be both frustrating and deliciously satisfying when you come to grips with the more steady,weighty tuning of the characters movements." Right there sounds like the demo I'm playing. Oh yeah and Tarasque and Jason360 are just trolls who the hell would believe anything they say lol

[Oner]

It's obviously not about playing the game frame by frame but the proof of nearly a 1/4 of a second timed delay is cause for concern. A person name Skill of the PS Forums wrote this a little while ago that kinda expresses how it can be an issue ~

"If I can't do a 180 in a split second, that's fine by me. Neither can you, so it's fair. If I can't take cover online, or take out a couple heads in rapid succession, same deal. But if I have my sniper in hand, and I line it up on your head, and I press R1, and you move out of the way, and then it fires? That's wrong. That needs to be fixed. Period."

There is more to it than that as well as I have said below in an earlier comment. Please have a read on it for more insight.

@ below ~ Seb Downie has already said he notices the issue. If they are going to do something about it is another thing though. But it couldn't hurt the game to have less of a "deadzone" delay.

[AshleyRiot]

@oner- Yeah I read that comment and for sure if it was a problem we would have heard it from the MP beta testers,hands-on MP reviewers etc.

[Blitzed]

Why are you going into playstation forums...oh wait...I forgot...trolling is your job.

@Tarasque- give it a rest, you have posted the same sh!t in every KZ2 thread, we get it, you dont like KZ2...then why is it you visit every thread...oh wait...I forgot...you are Jason360.

[HateFanboys]

You do realize that only dantesparda's first sentence was aimed at you right? And that the rest of his comment was aimed at the control haters. You just played yourself by showing what an idiot you are. And stop trolling spamming all the Killzone 2 threads with the same sh1t.

[itchy18]

What lag?

[Pennywise]

You have heard of the lag?? lol

I have no idea what they are talking about. Three weeks is too long.

[Fishy Fingers]

Quick video of it here: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Personally I havent noticed the problem, but it's evidently effecting some people. Many forums including the official have people posting genuine concerns. Some people have it with every input (button), some only a few.

Either way, if you have noticed it, dont worry to much but expect the final game to be some what "shaper". Which cant be bad.

[RoseSapphire]

Fishy, that video is terrible. Anyone flicking one of the analogs like that is going to get the same effect in almost every game out there. If you pay attention when the gun actually moves to his flicking, meaning he finally applied enough pressure, it moves at the same time as the flick.

[Pennywise]

Bran, I wondered who the hell does that with their controller. It seems pretty dumb to me. I might not be a pro with aiming with the analogs yet, but this method seems pretty bad.

[Ju]

@Fishy. I agree. That looks odd. While I haven't tried to "punch" the stick like that (I'll try that when I get to it later), I am pretty sure, I have not experienced any kind of effect like shown in the video. This looks like a bug. Weird.

[Oner]

This is actually a better video showing the issue
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And another
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And a perfect example of unwarranted re-adjustments @ 1:23 - 1:32 but specifically at 1:27-1:32
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And a comparison to Resistance 2 on how much sharper the response time is
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Sorry guys, but I am one of the people who clearly feel, see & notice the issue. I am not saying nor believe KZ2 sucks or is bad in any way shape or form, but the controls are not up to my standards and it detracts from the immersion/experience enough that I have to really re-think me picking up my already paid for in full pre-order and rent it to see if it is addressed or just in the demo build.

I am not a bot, I am not trying to crap on GG, Sony or anything else in that manner. I am 100% honestly bummed that the controls aren't accurate in it's implementation. I personally don't believe it is about the weight characteristic or it's mechanics. Simply there is a timed based delay that affects the start point and the end point when you release; as if it starts 250ms later it will end 250ms later as well affecting all subsequent re-adjustments. The last thing about this I have to say is this would only be an improvement and would not change or hurt the game at all. It would just tighten up the response time when you input an action so the weight and feel will still be there.

I truly wish to enjoy this great title but if it's not fun to me then I cannot rightfully spend my money on it and will have to cash out my pre-order payment. Especially if it is still evident in the full retail version just as it has been proven in numerous videos of the demo already.....But again I have to stress and let it be known that I whole heartedly want the game to succeed in every way...even if without my enjoyment or contribution.

[Ju]

Now I tried that with the demo I have.

I mean, the clearest effect is in the video where the guys actually pulls the trigger and takes the finger off before the shot takes place. I can assure you, this does not happen for me. I have a DS3. I get an immediate feedback on the rumble when I pull the trigger (recoil feedback). The impact (about 5ft away from a wall) is immediate.

The "stick punch" is about the same, but this makes sense because of "weight" (mass inertia, requires a bit more force to turn, and this is how I would interpret this). A short "punch" simply does not create enough force. However, the lag like in the pistol video, I do not have, neither.

Weird. I would have said the deferred renderer adds some overhead (like 1-2 frames = 67ms), but it just doesn't happen on my machine. None of those effects shown in the video, which demonstrate the effect pretty clearly.

BTW: The KZ2 menus react the same way the R2 menues do for me. And the "example of unwarranted" does not clearly point to this problem, rather to a new player not used to the controls (happened to me the first time, too, not any more, though).

[wantedboys]

i have the full game and it's perfect

[Max Power]

i am not gunna call you a liar, but.. um yeah, i don't know how to finish that.

[iHEARTboobs]

You guys are still gonna be too slow against me. ;)

See you guys online!

[ultimolu]

...What lag?

[Pillage05]

and I never had any control issues so all this talk is very surprising to me. I just feel like people are stuck in their COD ways and expect every shooter to follow in that path, which sucks for those gamers who like to change it up. But maybe there was an issue with the demo, and if there was i hope GG gets it figured out before any real damage is done.

But on another note, the wait for this game is KILLING me...

[y0haN]

Uhh in real life when you make a decision it doesn't happen immediately, the delay in movement feels realistic.

[Tarasque]

If you have to think about moving in real life you have some serious issues.

[boodybandit]

Serious and honest question.
You do realize you actually do have to think before you move?
In actuality that is exactly how the human body functions. Your brain, you know the muscle that you "think" with, sends a signal through your nerves to your limbs and digits (and various other body parts) before they "actually" move.

Now if your body moves without thinking?
Then you might have serious issues.

[Utalkin2me]

Thats right thank you for health class, but walking and moving left and right is nothing that has to be thought about as stated from above. If you have to tell yourself to take ever step or tell yourself to get up from the chair, you don't have to do so cause you use your right side of your brain that processes and sends information alot faster than your left brain. So as tarasque stated you have to think to walk without just doing it you have issues. Nice try though fanboys will try anything to be defensive.

[LazyDevs]

I know i don't have to physically tell myself to do anything, i just do it.

[dukesterm]

really? It takes you a full second to start moving when you decide you want to turn left or right? Good luck playing sports or functioning in society. Maybe you should see in a neurologist.

[Cool Hwhip]

What Controller lag?

[Helghast Slayer]

The demo is fine and i've played it more than 30+ times. This is based on realism not some skittle colored, power rangers suit wearing, jump and gun six feet in the air nonsense you kids play now-a-days.

KZ2 executes a perfect war torn battle that immerses you from the get go and says "ok soldier you are on your own".

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

I have lost count of how many times i have played it!!! ;-P
It still makes me go WOW!!! COR, i didn't see that before, how cool!!! ;-P

I found it perfect??? I hope they don't make it Halo/Gears like, i.e UNREALISTIC!!! ;-D

killzone.com - Please don't listen to FAKE PS3 Fans(i.e they are xBots trying to hurt your Masterpiece!!!) ;)

[trancefreak]

I just hate exiting out of the warehouse :( garza needs me

[ambientFLIER]

Wow, a Killzone circle jerk. That's cute. Enjoy your realistic space cowboy killing space men with glowing eyes.

Although, in my opinion the controls are fine. I had no problems with them, unlike others things in the game.

[PS360WII]

The lag is from when you use the right analog stick to when your gun starts moving. There is a slight lag or dead zone to which it needs to go past in order for your weapon to start aiming. As I said before I like it as it's like the delay your body gets when your brain tells you to do something

[mastiffchild]

Before everyone calls those experiencing "lag" n00bs or whatever I found none at all on my set up but did feel it played very slightly differently at a friends house after he'd said how different mine felt.
Anyway, he downloaded again and now it plays like at mine, sowho knows.

[Johnny Rotten]

no lag here and sorry but a youtube video of somebody flicking a controller doesn't count as lag in my books.

sorry twitcher's your going need to learn the cover system which btw ROCKS!

[beavis4play]

i was beginning to think i was the only person who liked the standard 1 controls.

[ActionBastard]

I didn't even notice. Too caught up in enjoying what I was playing.

EDIT: Thanks Hellsvacancy, back at you. It's funny to see people TRY to find something wrong or bad.

[Hellsvacancy]

You Sir hit the nail on the head - bubbles

[cereal_killa]

So true AB and bubble to you as well unless it s truly so noticeable that it affects my game playing I'm not going to bat an eye at it. I've played the Demo over 10 times (I keep switching back n forth from R2 online) The first time I played it I had to get use to the controls the more I play it the better it feels.

[killzone2flop]

Time for some Excuses.

[cereal_killa]

1 more bubble to go PP then on to your next Muppet account. It's to bad you don't know sh!t about this game your opinion might mean something but since you will never get to play this great game it's your loss have fun beating Banjo for the 15th time.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

We got here 14 Minutes before you!!! ;-D ;-D ;-D
Well i was 4 Minutes before you!!!

You gotta be faster!!! ;-D

[n4gzz]

Last thing I want, GG change controller and make it twitchy like R2 or Halo3 because of these cry babies.

Control is perfect. Give it little time and you will love it unless realism is not your style then freaking play R2 and Halo3 and let us enjoy Killzone2.

[Fishy Fingers]

I disagree, I really didn't notice it but having just tried it myself at home there is an issue as far as I'm concerned. I hit the "key" and the action happens but a half second later. Tiny, but it's there.

Try yourself with the trigger, my finger hits the R1 and is off before the gun fires. Now trying to be realistic is one thing, but that is obviously not their aim (GG) to have a delay like that.

No reviews seem to have mentioned anything so that would reinforce what MotherH is saying about it being a "demo-only" issue.

Either way, I dont think being honest should label me as a "cry baby" because as far as I can see there's definitely an issue. Try it yourself, maybe yours is different to mine some how.

Like I said I never noticed it until just trying it and I'm excited about KZ as much as anyone. I dont think admitting there's a problem with the demo is a bad thing. But the delay between hitting shoot and the gun firing should be lightening. Movement wise I could understand and except, but not the gunfire.

Imagine they be a few disagrees for that^^ but I'm only stating my impression and frankly, if there were no issue why wouldnt GG simply be stating "its as intended"?

[GamerPS360]

agree 100%

[GamerPS360]

Delay is there and it refines game even more the way it should be. It is not laggggggg.
Why can't people accept it?

[Fishy Fingers]

Perhaps in your opinion. But not in mine. Gunfire should be instant, movement ok, your heavy, weighed down. But a delay in the trigger is nor realistic or practial.

And like I said, if it's perfect why exactly are GG "looking into it", surely there would be nothing to look into?

[LiquifiedArt]

People are idiots. Read this.

"LAG" or monitor 'response time' is a real thing with computer monitors and TV's. This "lag" refers to ANY input not just movement. If this happens to you then you need a better TV and to check the "response time" of your monitor/tv. People using a mouse notice this often beacuse a mouse is very accurate, hence, you will feel the latency. iPS monitors are known to have just about zero latency.

The only other "LAG" (which is a really poor term for it), is the slight 'Dead Zone' on the playstation controller. From center->outward the first 15%-20% give or take, usually does nothing.

(Although I've found circumstances when it does do stuff, so it could be gameplay related and how they adjust controls for their particular game).

Either way...There is NO lag in Killzone 2 at all. Your creating figments of your imagination out of thin air. Just because this isn't your no physics, on rails, shooter don't pretend things exist when they don't.

[Fishy Fingers]

Nobody said anything about "LAG", I said delay. Not sure why your all so defensive and sure how the game >should< play. I'll let GG tell me what is and isn't right, not you or anyone else with no affiliation to the company.

Excepting a problem in the >demo< isnt attacking the game (Or the PS3) in anyway. If you like it how it is then you and I have different opinions. But dont you think its funny that GG/MotherH are humouring AND looking into "figments of your [my] imagination"?

If GG come out and say "it's just as it should be" fine. But you have no more knowledge of how the game >should< play than I.

[Ldubbz]

Here's a review that talks about the delay thing, which is funny bcuz I hadnt heard anything about it until I watched this review earlier. And its not the demo....

http://www.theleisurelab.co...

You have to watch it tho, doesnt say in the written summary.

Dont flame me! Im just the messenger....not saying its there or not....

[beavis4play]

and you're mistaken.

when i press R1......the gun fires INSTANTLY. i did it over and over. i fired multiple shots; i fired one shot at a time. and i did this for a couple of minutes. and it was instantaneous with my pressing the R1 button. sorry mate, but what you're saying isn't accurate.

[Fishy Fingers]

Sorry mate but what I'm saying is what I'm experiencing. If yours is different lucky you but me and a ton of other people are having the problem. Like I've said repeatedly, if there was no problem why are GG stating things like "we think it is a demo-only related issue" rather than "nothing wrong" or "it's as intended".

No offense bro but why are your experiences gospel and to be taken over mine and anyone else who seems to be complaining of the problem? You, like I, can only speak for yourself. Isolated problem, bug, issue with TV (unlikely), who knows, but I'm getting a delay and until GG state its how it should be I dont except there is no problem (at least on my set-up).

Oh and I love the demo, I didnt even notice the problem until I tried it and the delay is TINY but that doesnt mean I dont want it fixed for retail and by the sound of, "we think it is a demo-only related issue" it will be.

[beavis4play]

i just went back to the demo and checked again, as i said. and just wanted to throw out that i haven't had the "delay" problem. if i was seeing the same difficulty, i'd be right there with you on this. and i do hope everyone ends up with a quality experience. that's the #1 priority. what's odd to me is some say they're experiencing a delay and others don't have the problem? weird. i'm sure GG will get everything in order by launchtime.

[DJ]

It's called weight and momentum, something most shooters lack (Halo, COD4, Resistance, Half-Life, etc). I got used to it after playing through the demo the first time; it adds a lot to the overall believability, especially the way the character moves and reloads.

[PS360WII]

I think it's 'all shooters lack' ;)

sure some will add in the kick a gun gets but none I've play have that delay to it. To those who are not noticing it that's alright it's there but you just understand why it's there and don't even notice it ^^

[meepmoopmeep]

yeah, that's what i always thought.

it was a physics thing.

[Ldubbz]

Im not sure what people are talking about, but the most realistic shooter is GRAW, and there is no lag or delay when pulling the trigger.

There should never be a delay on pulling a trigger. Simple and plain. Not saying there is any in K2, but if so, u can forget about this game being played professionally (in competition).

[T-Baggins]

I had absolutely not problem with the control's, no lag at all

[bassturd]

nor I. Because there is none. Silly that Guerilla Games is having to even respond to these idiots that can't tell that it is a design choice. Obviously it gives you a sense of weight from the gun and your movement.

[darthv72]

It is really the only thing bugging me about the demo. Nice looking but the control is sluggish. I will reserve final judgement based on how the story is.

If the story is not up to par (like the first) then I will have to score it down. My top score list is story (first), control/gameplay then graphics.

So far I am ranking the demo an 7 for control, 10 for gfx and a ? for story.

[badkolo]

I dont think some people understand, There isnt weight on your fingers in the game, its not that realistic, so why is there a lag when i press the r1 to shoot, u can click and release r1 before it shoots on screen, thats lag, thats the same thing going on with the right stick.

There is a delayed reaction from when you press r1 to when it actually happens on screen, there is a delay from when you press your right trigger in any direction to when that action shows on screen.

Hopefuly its the demo and is fixed for the actual game.

[gta2800]

Man, if this game came out before Call of Duty 4 did no one would be complaining right now. Freakin' noobs.

[_Q_]

weed out the ppl who can adjust and appreciate something different. The others will go back to their unrealistic run & turn speeds and their aim assist a la COD4/5 because "its easier"

[Magic_The_Celt]

what lag?!

Man, the controls where perfect from me and i wouldnt change a thing and i wont do either.

[redsquad]

I certainly didn't notice any lag - Been playing KZ1 for years so maybe that's made me 'immune'. I hit 'fire' and the gun fires as near to instantaneously as I'd expect. Some people are mentioning .5 to 1 second delays???? I think that may be a wee exageration. One second is a lot longer than people think in gaming terms.

I will concede that the stick deadzone is larger than seen in other games but again, KZ 1 exhibited this and I adapted to it very quickly.

[BMS84]

Btw , Guerilla Games is now working on a patch (bugs) for the Killzone 2 demo, it should be released next week and imo the controls are good if they will get better , there's no one minus in this game.

[TheMART]

I may facking hope so that the lag is out of the final product...

[Bathyj]

Sure, if a monkey cant kick a football, there must be something wrong with the football.

Funny how these controls which feel perfect to most if not a tad different are so bad, but I bet the same people having troubles were defending RE5's outdated controls which basically make you a standing target.

[BMS84]

because it was also on the 360;) , if COD4 was an PS3 exclusive , there also would be a lot of complaining , but COD4 is more Arcade, i prefer Killzone 2.

[belal]

when i switched to zoom and hold. its a bit lag, but a veeeeery small lag, can be patched up with ease!

but the LITTLE LAG didnt bother me at all!

[socalr6]

The dead zone goes away the more you turn up the sensitivity. I noticed no lag in trigger controls. I was target shooting the walls after I killed all the enemy near the end of the demo. The game rewards you with super tight groups if you feather the trigger and use short controlled bursts or single shots. I could get single hole groups with the pistol from far away if you fire in a controled fashion. The weighted thing is alot like Battlefield Bad Company. Game does make me a little motion sick. Hope to get used to it.

[dooge]

If everyone else playing will be "lagging" then what does it matter? No one will have any advantage.

Adjust to it like everyone else must do.

If you don't like it, don't play it.

[xg-ei8ht]

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[Figboy]

here's a gift from me to the KZ2 nitpickers out there:

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i figured you haters need some more to grasp at...

[adlt]

People just need to adapt to this game and not compare it to others.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

same thing I've been saying about the controls for Resident Evil 5!

Cannot wait to own both real soon!

[Ldubbz]

Hahaha...just kidding. but really I have a question....

sure I could google it, but can u just sign up for an EU PSN account and then get the demo? Is it that simple? I wanna give it a try on my roomie's PS3 later...oh and Im Ldubbz on PSN btw, not that Im on it too much...

[TheNocturnus]

Gears of Halo 7 is much better...

[jBat17]

when you are using iron sights and press reload.. nothing happens.. that's something you need to get used to, not lag..

[xabmol]

Game will be better.

Controls are great.

The End.

[InItForTheGames]

No such problem and to be honest i never thought much about the controls until i heard people kick up a fuss. I was to busy looking around in awe. Must say though its the best looking next gen game it didnt blow me away to the extent i was expecting. That said it takes nothing away from the game i have never played a demo so many times in my life. Peace.

[wanaraceu]

I don't see what all the fuss is about the controls are great!! You have to think then aim before you shoot!
I don't hear people complaining about Grand Turismo because the controls are real.

KZ2 controls feel real. Not like your holding a plastic gun. You have to be gentle with the stick and use short fast bursts of fire. Just like paint ball.

I like what they have done with the controls. When your shooting in real life you look first then your gun swings around to aim a split second later hence the slight delay in KZ2.

COD,R2 and other FPS have unrealistic tight controls with auto aim it is as though your eyes and gun are the same where with KZ2 the eyes and gun a separate just in real life. The controls are awesome and realistic and very rewarding when you get it right.
Just like doing a perfect lap in Gran Turismo.

If you don't like the controls go play R2 or Halo as it is more of a arcade feel. Just like if you cant play Gran Turismo you might play Burnout or Need for speed.

I like both types of games. Arcade/Simulator Sometimes I feel like playing a simulator. Other times you just want to play with out having to think as much.....KZ2 Will make you think before unloading a round thats all

[InItForTheGames]

Bubbles well said couldnt agree more this game plays sopt on for what it is aiming for

[NateNater]

The Demo seemed pretty amazing to me. There are only a few kinks here and there that still need to be worked out, but hey its only a demo. The controls were fine. They just take a little time to get used to. I don't really know why people like to complain about them so much. Just get used to them a deal with it! Its a demo! The final version is bound to provide a more expansive control scheme anyway.

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[Pleth]

Whatever. The real question is when's Kung Fu Panda 2 coming out!!!!!

[mc-fine]

So there is lag from when my brain sends a signal to my body to make any movement. Except now there is a delay from brain to my thumb and an extra delay from thumbstick to screen. Congratulations on simulating the delay that is already exists when using the controller. That really enhances the first person experience.

If they add a full second of lag on all inputs then GG was OBVIOUSLY trying to simulate weight and your thought process. If they invert the X-axis its GG OBVIOUSLY trying to simulate the shifting of the back. Make it challenging for the COD newbs.

Call it lag, deadzone, acceleration or wtf it is the controls are sluggish. The effect is the opposite of realism and a frustrating tango with the right thumbstick. Leave the explanation of design choices to the actual developers.

Many people like the game but find the controls to be a bit of an unnecessary nuisance. Too many of you are way too emotionally vested in this game.

[wanaraceu]

MMM I know what your saying but from playing the game but i can tell they have taken into account the lag from brain to thumb though.

Is is much quicker to move a thumb on a conrtoler than to move a real life gun with armour and ammo etc. Thats why simulator games have different controls to arcade games.

When you push the analogue stick fully to the right in Gran turismo it takes a few moments for the front wheels to reach full lock (simulator). Arcade racers happen straight away because the dev are going for a different game type.

Resistance call of duty = arcade
KZ2 is closer to a simulator

and most people have said that they liked the controls anyway but i think there are a few people that complain because they are not used to playing this style of game. KZ2 is completely different to any other shooter i have played

I sux ass when i first started playing Gran Turismo and KZ2. But now i'm popping off head shots and smashing it all over the place

[Ldubbz]

Though I agree more with mc-fine's point. Havent played for myself however so I cant personally say.

But Im not sure I agree about Killzone being a sim...when I think sim shooter, thats GRAW, SOCOM or maybe Rainbow Six. Much slower and methodical. But again I have yet to play K2, so I will have to see for myself.

[shawnsl65]

no lag on this end. HDMI connection. I've tried all sensitivity, i prefer 2 bars down from max.

[Figboy]

i'm playing via HDMI also, and i also set the sensitivity two bars down from default. i also use Alternative 2.

i haven't noticed any lag on my end at all either.

i personally think that a lot of it is gamers simply not used to this type of FPS.

for GENERATIONS, consoles have been trying to emulate the precise nature of a mouse and keyboard, when it's simply not possible.

Killzone 2, i think, truly takes into account the nature of controller input, and has designed it's game to worth within those limitations, as well as going for realism in character movements.

people are free to complain about KZ2's controls as they see fit, but i'm personally not seeing any problems on my setup.

i think the game feels good (with some sensitivity and button layout tweaks, of course).

[wanaraceu]

I feel its like a fast action Sim unlike recon and rainbow6 etc

[myothercar]

First of all, I'm no Xbot or troll. Um, I've spent the last year and a half or so on Ps3 forums fending off bashers and showing my support. I just notice a little lag in the controls. I was over at a friend's house today playing Halo 3, and there's about as much lag in that game. It doesn't prevent it from selling millions and millions of copies, and neither did the fact that it was sub-HD resolution.

The thing that seems even more serious, in my opinion, is how it completely ignores quick flicks of the stick. I'm pressing the stick all the way to its limit, but it's not responding, even a pixel's worth of response.

It would just be nice if it were more responsive, like Resistance 2, for instance.

MOST people who may complain about the controls are just complaining about the button layout (come on, learn it, it's simple) or the weighty turning and subtle feeling of momentum. These people just need to get use to it. But there IS a small complaint about the lag and dropped inputs, and it would be nice to see that get tweaked.

[wanaraceu]

One thing i just relised was you have to aim before you shoot almost every time in KZ2.
Other games (eg:R2 COD) you can start shooting before the x is on the target and still move the x around to hit the target accuratly. if you try this with KZ2 you miss most of the time. more realistic.
What do you guys think?

[Bendz]

The controls were exactly the same in the beta, so I can't see how it's just a demo issue. It certainly does play differently from other FPS games, which isn't a bad thing in itself.

[Dmack79]

This guy (and xbots) just aren't used to the realistic weight and environment that are rarely seen in video games today.

Not every shooter has to have rainbow colored, or steroid-addicted-no-necked space marines.

[dukesterm]

If you don't see the lag, then you aren't looking for it properly. Hit the analog stick to the left, it takes almost a good second before anything happens. Try shooting, it does the same thing. The argument that it reflects "realistic movement" might have some (flimsy) basis for walking, but even so it should not effect firing a weapon with equal tenacity.

This game is broken. The controls are broken. I strongly suggest anyone who hasn't paid 60 dollars yet for this to wait until all the webpages, youtube videos, and forums change from "control lag" to "control fix".