Techtree: Killzone 2 Review

Techtree: Overall, this is one of the best FPS games ever made, and the best PS3 shooter. The visuals are breathtaking, the combat is challenging, the MP is rewarding.

My only problem with the game has to be the missing co-op mode. It's cruel to create such excellent levels and not have co-op. This is the game for the PS3, something that everyone should try and all PS3 owners must buy.

[aswan]

Another great review that make Edge look retarded

[jammy_70]

then why the 9? deduct points cuz of no co-op
i hate that! why don't critics review whats there instead of whats not!!
still good score non the less.....

[edgeofblade]

Yes, you can grade a game for what it's missing. What makes you think you can't or shouldn't? We expect online multiplayer these days, and if the game has OFFline multiplayer, we mark the game down.

Same thing here. We expect online co-op with at least 4 players. And we don't get ANY co-op. Totally valid deduction.

Also, stop whining that your darling savior of the PS3 got a less than perfect score.

[znu]

Ok unlike the majority of people here i wanted co-op in this game
enough to mark it down? probably not

Enough to prevent me from not buying it...maybe. HEAR ME OUT BEFORE U JUST START SPAMMING AT ME
Co-op is important to me cause the majority of my free time is with friends and do these guys wanna watch me play this KickA$$ game?
No they wanna play it

I love Resistance 2 mainly due to online split screen...
Alot of people don't have the luxury of owning a next gen console (contrary to popular belief) so playing via Party isn't a great option specially if u have ppl over at the time

Killzone 2 is an amazing game but i can't help but feel on the fence on buying it due to its lack of Co-op... I probably will but it anyways xD but still an added coop for this game would b great

[Ausbo]

don't review a game based on what it doesn't have. They did the same with the force unleashed. People took off points because it didn't have a multiplayer. Review what is there, not what should be there.

[JHUX]

I want co-op and offline multiplayer with bots. Online is always fun, but sometimes I want to go back to the goldeneye/perfectdark64 roots. And from what I have read there is no offline mp :(

[Traveler]

@ edgeofblade

That really doesn't make a lot of sense. Since when has co-op been a REQUIREMENT for first person shooters?

Your theory doesn't hold water. Other FPS games that lacked co-op were not docked for it. COD4 had no co-op and yet it is one of the highest scored FPS this generation. Or take Bioshock--one of the highest rated games, period--not only did it lack a co-op mode, but it also COMPLETELY LACKED A MULTIPLAYER MODE OF ANY KIND. So, no co-op and no multiplayer whatsoever, yet Bioshock is one of the highest rated games this generation.

If FPS games in those cases were not docked for their lack of co-op, why do some people act like Killzone 2 must have it. Like Bioshock and COD4, Killzone 2, even without a co-op mode, offers a wonderfully full gaming experience as it stands and is well worth a gamers time and money. It is hypocritical and inconsistent to dock Killzone 2 for its lack of co-op.

[Danja]

It's stupid to review a game and deduct points from the score because the game doesn't have a feature u wanted in it..

Review the product for what it is...is the gameplay Broken without Co-op..?? no it's not....GG didn't intend for KZ2 to be co-op experience from the get go , they have stated they went in it trying to make the best "SINGLE PLAYER' experience they could not Single player and Co-op experience...

not every game needs to have co-op , just like not every single game needs online....these journalist and reviewers need to do there job which is review the game..and not try to tell the Devs what to do....

[xg-ei8ht]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[ToeKneeHaze]

co-op is not the defining feature of a game

please reviewers stop rating games lower because of no co-op its irritating.

[San Frandisco]

why are reviewers doing that man?
the point in reviewing games is finding the flaws or negatives that allready exist in the game not the ones that DONT exist damnit!

if it was that case then theres so many efing games that should be lowered in score: COD4,BIOSHOCK to name a few...

as far as wut i have noticed online... 98% of the gamers out there arnt even complaining and can live without the co-op feature... the only ones that seem to be complaining is the reviewers.

sh!t needs to be stopped man,this is reDONculous.

[LeShin]

COD Modern Warfare 2, Bioshock 2 and Section 8 better have co-op since a lot of reviewers seem to be calling for it.

Honest question: does F.E.A.R 2 have co-op?

[PirateThom]

Nope, of course FEAR 2 doesn't... and yet no one is making a scene.

[BigPappaPump]

I bet you my paycheck if KZ2 was a multiplat game it wouldn't get the ridiculous "no co-op" deduction point. It's so amazing they would fabricate such BS because GG and Sony forced them on a crow diet.

[Ausbo]

fear 2 didn't get great scores so that doesn't matter. Honestly i can't stand fear games

[Socomer 1979]

if its not there then theres no reason to to use that as a deducting factor but just wait a second... Imagine if it did have co-op. OMFG! that would be incredible. I do understand that killzone 2 was being developed before the craze of co-op and i give even more credit to the games that do have it.

i think no co-op is a legitamite gripe but it shouldnt effect its score. neither should being delayed or not being on xboxlive affect its score. Yet I know that and You know that so get those preorders!

[Helghast Slayer]

Hear that noobs? "The combat is challenging" not that skittle colored, power rangers wearing super human jump and gun six feet in the air nonsense you kids play no-a-days.

KZ2 throws you into a real war setting and says "ok chump, you're on your own" lol. Man the wait feels like forever. Happy gaming on

[edgeofblade]

Good god, enough already. We expect a game to have co-op, the same way we expect an FPS to have online multiplayer. It's missing it, it gets marked down. Simple as that.

Stop trying to stack the review criteria to make your darling game perfect. That's transparent fanboyism. A game is what it is, and the circumstances of it needing to save a console do not magically make it a better game.

[PirateThom]

Half-Life 2 has no online multiplayer or co-op.

Mark it down from 10 to... 6?

No, games don't need to have co-op. If the exeperience is made for single player, then co-op is unnecessary and usually broken.

[edgeofblade]

Pirate, of course not. We don't expect co-op in PC FPS as much as we do in console. Plus, the co-op standard wasn't as strong when HL2 came out.

And to mark it down from 10 to 6 is an exaggeration. You should be ashamed...

[PirateThom]

When Half-Life 3 comes out, should we expect co-op now Left4Dead has popularised PC co-op?

No, of course we don't.

Half-Life is a single player experience, why wouldn't Killzone 2 be the same?

[nix]

every minute an idiot is born in N4G.

[Arkrite]

"your darling game"
"needing to save a console"
isn't that transparent fanboyism too?

XBL/PSN:Arkrite
I love my ps360

[Ausbo]

yes reviewer shouldn't be doing this but they are only taking off at most .3 points. Your half-life example just doesn't work. Actual review sites don't give perfect scores(a couple exceptions). Just because g4 gives 100 every game doesn't mean killzone deserves a 10 from ign,etc.

[fishd]

Man I love teh ignore button...
And I hate Fnaboys pretending they are not "Savior" my arse

[JHUX]

Does HL2 Death match count?

[Tee7soo]

i just want the game ..

[Ghyst]

I can see third party coop being cool, but wtf is cool about first person view coop? i found it so boring on halo, i want to shoot them, not ally with them.. i don't see what the fuss is about.

[mirroredderorrim]

WTF is it with the fanboy journalists deducting points for no co-op?

Wanna know what the oldschool version of co-op is?

"press select" "2 - player mode"

Why do we even need to go online? I understand it's the IN THiNG with this generation, but honestly, to deduct points for not having a feature on a game is RIDICULOUS!

Can anyone not get my frustration with this?

It's like saying I deducted 2 points for Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island(great game too) for not being 2 player.. WTF!?

My point is, that Super Mario World 2 is 1 player by design and they are basically giving KZ2 a sh!t score BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN.

Way to go Edge. You are gushing with professionalism.

[Ausbo]

think that the media does biased reviews only for their games. However, sites marked down a couple points in gears of war 2 because of no 4 player co-op. It happens all the time. We hear more of this from the ps3 side though because this site is overrun with ps3 fanboys. Xbox fanboys just don't care as much about reviews.

[XtreemGamer]

4.5/5 only for no co-op? Abnormal idiots

[BMS84]

What is EDGE? a toothpaste, a toiletpaper??

[mirroredderorrim]

It used to be NextGen magazine. A very good magazine, then.
Now, however...

http://www.edge-online.com/...

[celldomceen1]

this coop thing does need to stop unless every fps shooter game until the end of time has to include coop. Its not necessary, it would be nice but, it will not detract from the overall experience. Coop in usually thrown on and doesnt really work unless the game is built around coop. this happens to be one of the games that was geared more towards the single player experience, how about we all enjoy that. The biggest first person shooter of last year did not have it and we all STILL LOVE THAT GAME even more than the sequel that included coop.

[Whoooop]

If co-op is a standard then why Bioshock and Mass Effect weren't affected by the fact that they didn't support co-op...

You know what's worse??? None of those 2 games featured a competitive online mode and reviewers let is pass.

Reviewers are just nit-picking KZ2, simple. Co-op is NOT a standard and games shouldn't be scrutinized by the lack of a commodity feature and even less when it has a very deep and fun multiplayer and a very well made single player campaign.

I don't really care about the scores by now because I will get the game anyway and most of the reviewers that I relate to, have said nothing but good things about the game.

However deducting points for something that isn't standard is stupid.

[Ausbo]

your logic sucks. Mass effect was an RPG. almost all rpgs are single-player. killzone is a fps. I will give you bioshock. Obviously you don't know what mass effect is. Competitive multiplayer? are you serious.

[celldomceen1]

agreed, i was wondering when in the hell did coop become standard. I guess i missed the memo that all fps must have coop. And i think some one said that all they are deducting is .3 at the most. My question to you is how in the hell do you know that mind reader?

edit @ above- MMORGP, not all rpgs are single player, WKC is the next rpg that is not JUST singleplayer.

[Kyur4ThePain]

So, if the game had co-op, but it was the absolute worst co-op ever seen in a console FPS...cr@p graphics, bad frame rate etc, would a 4.75 be justified? I mean, then it WOULD have co-op and apparently it needs it.

[user9422077]

oh god...another orgasm, why do you have to do this to us KILLZONE!

[Ldubbz]

You guys all sounds stupid...K2 is a squad-based shooter (Alpha squad, right?), but there is no co-op. No one is saying that makes the game trash, but its a knock against it. People are saying not to judge the game by what it doesnt have...are you serious? When its closest 'competitors' have co-op (Gears 1&2, Halo, R2, COD5), then of course it matters.

But lets ask...why no co-op? Was the mighty CELL not up to the task? I think its a fair question, especially when during pretty much the whole game you fight right alongside other people. This isnt Bioshock, which is clearly meant to be a SP experience. Bringing up COD4 only makes things worse since they realized that and added it for COD5.

And speaking of the mighy CELL...with all the talk of K2 showing how powerful the PS3 is, I have one simple question, one that I surprisingly havent seen asked yet...why is it 720P? Why not 1080P? Nothing at all wrong with 720, but for a game that was in dev for over 4 years that is supposedly harnessing the the PS3's power, why not 1080P native?

[celldomceen1]

oh wow. What does the cell have to do with anything? and i hope you know most games are 720p, on the 360 games are upscaled because (wait for it) it has a upscaler and that doesnt make them look better. and "THEY" didnt add anything different developers made those two games infinty ward and TREYARCH. Knowing what you are talking about would be the first thing you should learn. people on this site arent as nice as i was.

[fishd]

KILLZONE 2,making haters Cry,I rike it

[Ldubbz]

you obviously dont read, do you? First, I know it was easy to just skip over the whole co-op thing, but I understand that, since there's nothing to really say about it since its not there.

Second, I clearly said there is nothing wrong with 720P. Of course I know the 360 scales images, as does the PS3...though if you REALLY want to get technical, the 360 has a built-in HW scaler (its called ANA...which allows it to scale at all resolutions in between, from 480i to 1080P, such as 1440 x 900 using VGA), while the PS3 must rely on SW to scale.

And you never even attempted to address the question...why isnt K2 native 1080P? Im not saying it has to be, but after over 4 years of dev time, I dont think 1080P and co-op are too much to ask for.

Still waiting....

Oh and your a grade-A moron..."THEY" is ACTIVISION. IW and Treyarch made the games, but they are in a successive series under Activision, who I am sure told the devs they wanted co-op for COD 5.

[celldomceen1]

getting technical doesnt mean you know what you are talking about. look at the disagrees they speak volumes. AND calling me a name doesnt make you anymore intelligent. ACTIVISION DOES THE PUBLISHING. And you should ask all DEVELOPERS why games are in 720p because with the exception of very few they all are. As for "the whole coop thing" i made a thread about it go there its a good conversation.

EDIT @LDUBBZ I was saying you can get the info on the net easy as pie, but i will take your word that you know what you are talking about. And the fanboys do run rampant so you got me there. as for the 720 GG gave a reason for having the game run in 720 as soon as i find it i will post the link for you.

[Ldubbz]

If i went by disagrees then I would have left this site a LOONG time ago! You and I both know what fanboys populate this site, so dont give me that mess.

And what the hell sense does that make...you mention scaling, saying I dont know anything about it, yet when I clearly show I know full well of what I speak you say Im getting too technical?

i know full well about most games being 720 or below, I just think that Guerilla, who is working very close with Sony on this game for over 4 years, would make it 1080P. Thats all. Not a knock against it like no co-op, but its something to consider nonetheless.

Excuse my name calling...nothing personal

[Mitch_Cumstein]

Considering the hype PS3 fanboys generated for Killzone 2 it appears to have been massively overrated. What? PS3 fanboys overhyping one of their beloved exclusives...surely not.

I got blasted a few weeks before the review embargo lifted for predicting Killzone 2 would fall in the 89-93 area. PS3 fanboys were pretty much "chasing their own tail" proclaiming Killzone 2's superiority over....well everything, including MGS4.

Guess what? Killzone 2 just isn't that good. It is a generic, dime a dozen, FPS that lacks co-op and depth. As many Killzone skeptics feared this is nothing more than a generic shooter with a pretty coat of shiny paint poured over it.

What is sad is how long it took to get there considering we have been there already for several years now. In the time it took to create Killzone 2 we got to experience 2 Gears of War. Both having a higher Metacritic score than Killzone at 94 and 93. There have been what? four Call of Duty games during that time. Then we have to turn our heads to Halo 3's metacritic score of 94. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

How does Killzone 2 not have Co-op? How bout a film/theater system? Hell I would settle for a screen shot system ala Gears of War 2. How bout generic gameplay with pretty graphics? Well its got that going for it I guess. Congratulations Sony Fanboys you have produced the most overrated game of all time.

[fishd]

Cry moar baby,I love the sound of it

[PirateThom]

It's stuck on 92 on Metacritic, with Edge's 7/10 in. Most of the reviews are above 90%.

Failure?

The only failure is that people like you still dismiss it.

The tears are in full flow.

[Ldubbz]

Thats what it seems...the game is decent and looks good, but is no genre-defining experience. Hopefully the MP is what makes it worth it.

EDIT: @ Thom

I dont see why he cant have his own point of view without being a 'crybaby'. Halo and Gears are both critically and commercially acclaimed titles, but the SDF berates them both as bad to no end. But now we have K2, a sequel for a mediocre PS2 shooter, and we cant speak on it? Screw that mess. It doesnt have co-op and it should. Besides looking good, tell me why this game is so compelling?

EDIT @ Thom

Fair enough. Not sure Mitch is actually dismissing K2. I want to make clear I am not. It does look great, theres no denying that. Not sure I am sold on the actual game yet, but Ill get back to you when I play it thru...

[PirateThom]

Because it's all just tears.

The same way when people dismiss Halo and Gears, it's tears.

[JHUX]

Guessing all you have done is read the EDGE review. Generic gameplay? I have been reading pretty much every review, most saying the game delivered on the hype, good gameplay, BEST graphics, and people are saying the multiplayer is AMAZING. They also say some people may find it to hard so, lets see.

Take it from someone who is buying this game... yes I am disappointed that there's no coop, and hopefully there will be an update for it, but it really doesn't make me go on a crazy rant, but from the looks you are a 360 fanboy. People claim this site is over run with ps3 fanboys (there are a lot), but they make it seem like there is way more, but in reality they are wrong. I remember when I would come and read news on this website, and there was about 10 xbox 360 fanboys per sony fan. You weren't even allowed to be in between back then. Now a lot of those 360 fans are there, perhaps some finally got ps3? If you are getting bubbled down hard then you are a fanboy. I have said things against both ps3 and 360 and have not gone down. Theres really no reasoning though, so I don't know why I tried.

[mirroredderorrim]

Thom, my business partner here has a great notion that we can make money off the fanboy tears:

[BMS84]

What are you talking about a falling down ?? It's now 93, it's actually very good.. go play Halo , instead of posting stupid comparisons so that 1 % is making a real big difference...Just get over it and accept , Killzone 2 will make you jealous, i think you allready are...:P