Does Killzone 2 Sacrifice Fun in the Name of Realism?

How can a game that involves flying platform things and a fictional planet be realistic? Let me explain: while Killzone 2 is set in a sci-fi universe, the actual gameplay is some of the most realistic of any shooter. Guns are heavy, giving your character momentum and making it harder to quickly move and aim. Firing from the hip is inaccurate, making it necessary to slow down and look down your sight. To escape being ripped to shreds by gunfire, cover is necessary. However, stay behind that cover too long and enemies will lob grenades behind to force you out.

If you haven't played the game, all of this probably sounds really good to you. However, I'm convinced that if Killzone 2 went with a less realistic approach, the game would be much more enjoyable. There's a point where a game becomes so realistic that it's not fun, and Killzone 2 comes dangerously close to that point.

[sonarus]

Perhaps its just me but despite the realism i still had a substantial amount of fun. Just because there is no auto aim and you can't do that snap L1 to aim thing from COD4 its no fun because its too hard. Bunch of girls go play viva pinata

Guy is complaining cus when you hide in cover they throw grenades at you to flush you out lol. This is killzone not halo. The bad guys aren't here to make you laugh

[The gaming GOD]

That comment was both true and hardcore.

But you can expect to get attacked for it unfortunately

[MasFlowKiller]

lol, i guess this person didnt get into the beta or probably hasn't play the demo cause anyone that has could tell you just how fun it is,

The graphics just add to the enjoyment factors plus the animations, its a f#ck!ng carnaval(not really), but its additive and enjoyable and the online will own all hater(based of my time with the beta)

[SIX]

It's funny because the first thing I noticed was how fun the game was. Then I noticed the realism....go figure.

[Israfel]

But this game is just AMAZING.

What does that say about the game?

[pimp614]

yes by all means, because this game is boring as ####.

[gamesmaster]

good look with alan wake coz that looks fun..... oh wait

[ultimolu]

The Helghast don't f*ck around.

It's either kill or be killed.

This guy is complaining too much.

Lol @ pimp. You didn't play it. :]

[kewlkat007]

By your first sentence, one would of thought, you've played the whole campaign and plenty multi-player matches....then again, were still talking about a 10 min DEMO.

It's like when NBA star "Allen Iverson" stated, "We talking about Practice!!!!" Practice!!!..

So much analysis for a damn DEMO....a DEMO!!!

This game is already being judged, praised., nitpicked, exploited..you name it and we still have 3 weeks before it's out. We even have Sites that already REVIEWED the game, yet give another analysis on the DEMO.

Is there anything else going on in the Gaming community, besides KZ2 analysis? Pretty soon, we will have Review sites analyzing their own Reviews, a week later. The fact is, nobody in the public have played the whole game and plenty of multi-player goodness. Everyone is still in the awe/shock stages.

[nomad117]

Nice comment Pimp from someone who doesn't even own a PS3 but plz talk more sh!t it doesn't even make you look sadder then you already are.

[Viper7]

Personaly I liked the multiplayer and it was great fun. The only real things that where bothering me where Bazooka which was ridiculously effective. The second was that the ranks are pretty easy to get, my gametime clocked 20h if I remember correctly and I was already a commander or something (1 star rank, 3rd highest) it would only have taken me few extra hours to achieve the highest rank.

after highest rank, will ppl loose their interest when theres no longer "main goal" or did guerilla give out some sort of prestige or other similarities to improve the lifespan of the game for completionists?

But as for controls, they are fine some newbies just cant play without game having some sort of autoaim. Those who like call of duty controls can choose alternative 2 from options menu, and increase/decrease the sensitivity as they like and even toggle hold to the aiming as it was in cod.

Realism and unrealism, neather reflects directly to the word "fun". Some ppl enjoy games with as much realism as bossible, while other want their meal of zero gravity bazooka tags with characters that can take more bullets than a freaking tank.

you just need to get used to it, and youll see how good the controls actualy are. They are differend, but no means bad. This is killzone not Call of duty 6.

[arika]

realism in games is the goal for most of video game developers and killzone 2 is probably the first console that achieved that. not only does it look real and feel real but it also is addictive and fun. combine all of those and you got a winner in your hands.

[zdudynot]

when i was in the beta i got most kills from hip fire and would die using aiming sights, stupid ************

[sonarus]

@kewlkat. I had low expectations for the singleplayer aspect of the game. I had seen many videos with poor A.I. so my expectations were lowered considerably. The A.I. in the demo was ace and the game is fun to play. You can't just snap your cross hairs to an opponent for a quick kill but i like to work for my kills so i don't mind.

I also played more than 10hrs of multiplayer in the beta and i loved it and i thought it was very fun so i am not just talking out of my a$$. Not everyone will love the game and it may be too hardcore for some which is fine. But as for me despite the realistic nature of the game i still had a substantial amount of fun.

I do agree with you that KZ2 is getting too much analysis but its all part of the hype factor. There are people who are curious, ppl who want it to fail ppl who want it to be the best game ever, people who are convinced its a halo killer bla bla list goes on. The reason is because for some reason no one is getting tired of KZ2 news and rest assured it won't cease anytime soon

[Why dis]

The shaky aiming mechanic makes this game very satisfying once you finally kill the enemies. I thought the demo was fun for a FPS.

[pixelsword]

Yep...

...Bazookas tend to be that against people.

:D

[Sitdown]

"killzone 2 the most realistic videogame ever to grace the console gaming."

Ohhh I don't know...I thought that honor might have been bestowed upon a sports title. Lets see....most realistic game ever? You can get shot a couple times, hide for a couple seconds...and then be good to go. Ammunition can always be found....items in the game that do not exist in real life. Yeah, after having played MLB 09 I think I would have to disagree with you. And I am sure that there are plenty of GT5:PL fans that would also disagree.

@Sonarus
Why does Viva Pinata have to be for girls? Why not gardeners? :-P

[SprSynJn]

...that realism is what made the last two COD games such blockbusters. I remember COD4 having almost as much recoil on their guns, as well as firing from the hip being extremely difficult in taking down an enemy. I think some of these websites need to rethink before they start typing.

[Lich120]

First things first, it really bugs me how much people don't ever think on here. But honestly the point is valid (Im only referring to the aiming portion mind you, smart AI is cool with me). It may not be completely true, but what hes talking about is something is going to come up more and more as games get more sophisticated.

The fact is it is harder to aim in KZ2 than pretty much all the shooters Ive ever played (the gun has momentum). My opinion is that for a single player campaign thats perfect. It adds to the immersion because it feels more realistic. I also think however, for multiplayer this may have draw backs since in a way you have a little less control over your aiming. Perhaps after many hours it will start to feel completely intuitive but after three times through the demo it still felt a bit foreign.

Although I haven't had a chance to play the multi yet so that remains to be seen for me. Id like to so what other people think other than just telling me Im bad at shooters and would feel more comfortable on viva pinata.

[Sitdown]

I agree...some times more realism can lead to being to complex and sacrificing fun...which might not be a lot of peoples cup of tea. Like for me...I am not a fan of GT5 or Forza, as I prefer more of an arcade racer. And it is one of the reasons why I still enjoy Halo and Gears.

[N4360G]

LOL you can tell this guy plays Halo 3.

[ProperFunked]

dude, thats EXACTLY how i feel 100%. The feel of the aiming in single player is fine, but take it online, i feel that (i have to be careful with my wording) if im having a difficult time gunning down a target strafing from right to left [or visversa], i feel that im gonna have to aim in front of my target and tap right, shoot, right, shoot [or visversa] because of that momentum/(sudden stop in aiming) in order to get the kill. However, from the beta videos ive seen, players don't really seem to have a problem getting kills, so hopefully it wont be an issue for the rest of us.

-plz don't hate =\

[Anilom]

It's Almost like cod control dude!! look at Video.

[xwabbit]

Hmmm pimp614's post seems to tell me something.... the number of fan boys is going down thank god. Only 4 agrees, lets hope the other console fan boys are going down ass well

[Viper7]

@Lich120

Its not much of a issue in multiplayer, it might take a while getting used to but after that while youll be scoring as well as with other games. the fact that the players are "heavy" in this game gives this balances this thing out a bit and makes its a bit easier to shoot others.

it depends a bit do you like low or high sensitivity, Killzone seems to support more of this slower side. Slow/med sensitivity is what I usualy use in fps games and I have found it really fitting. both have their downsides, faster sensitivity isnt as effective on longer ranges, but it may be better for shorter distance fights because of faster turning. Not to mention that I have kd above 1.4-2.0 usualy (I tend to be rather agressive rather than sniping from a dark corner :P)

@pixelsword
yes they tend to, but its not fun if a class that already has armor and speed advantage with regenration can equip bazooka with 3 missiles and blast those 3 away and pick up another weapon and continue untill he dies.
IT will just turn the game in to some sort of noob bazooka fest.

[phosphor112]

It's Red Orchestra for PC.

You bolt your guns after each shot
Bullets have a travel time
Gravity pulls bullets down
No ammo meter, just how heavy the mag is
You can break limbs
Get your gun shot out of your hand (so you have to pick it back up)
You can sprint, crouch, go prone
No team indicators (not even on the map)
Most the time friendly fire
Guns can jam
If you overheat the machine guns too much you can melt the barrel of it, thus having to detach the barrel and replacing it with a new one.
Get concussions (minor ones)
No crosshair what so ever

List goes on.

Oh, and KZ2 kicks ass.

[robep3]

I thought the whole point about the next gen consoles and games was more REALISM!!!!

Heavy items should have momentum it shouldn't be easy to aim at an enemy in a gun battle etc.

Does this guy think if he was in a real battle the enemy would give him time to reload, aim or find cover.

The demo is great,have mine on pre-order (metal tin version) cant wait to play the full game on my PS3-320GB.

Rob.

[teedogg80]

Is this guy a beginner gamer or something? I love the realistic approach that this game has...it's actually the best game I've ever played. We need more games like this.

[ape007]

the gameplay is super-satesfying and awesome

I loved every single second of it

the demo has some amazing well put together set pieces,the game feels like a new thing,am really shocked

art direction is simply phenominal,enemies look SO unique(apart from bieng extreemly detailed),you'll remember them for a long time,guns look amazing,the graphics set a new standard and its art direction elevate it more

simply put,killzone 2 will be a mega hit for the playstation 3 and for the meaning of "next gen"

also the sound is out of this world,the sense of imerrsion is unbelievable

I really can't wait for the full game

[Tempist]

No no see... he says this about killzone 2; "There’s a point where a game becomes so realistic that it’s not fun, and Killzone 2 comes dangerously close to that point."

AKA NO. The game is still fun. End of arguement. Anything else you read is irellivant.

[tako2000]

it is an interesting issue, to argue game design close to realism isn't a kind of "fun". Still that is an opinion and people do need time to adjust with the game play.

Still the control setting can be changed, the sensitivity of the X/Y-axis can be modify and the difficulty level can always adjust.

Beside, being realistic is one of KZ2's special element. Somehow like RE5 tank-mechanism is RE series tradition...kind of.

[gamesmaster]

exactly, i adjusted the cntrols a little and my enjoyment of the game just went up.

plus if you take off all the HUD options and crosshair in the display options it makes the game even more fun, no ammo count no hints no nothing, just you, your gun, your squadies and raw action. its like a film.

try it, makes it more intense IMO.

[ProperFunked]

"Still the control setting can be changed, the sensitivity of the X/Y-axis can be modify and the difficulty level can always adjust."

on COD4 i use the Med setting, im trying to find a similar niche with the X/Y settings which is why i keep playing the demo over and over. so far i turn the x up 2 clicks, and y up 3, but for me it's still gonna take some getting used to. i just hope the leaderboards dont keep track of Accuracy.

also it's kinda nice if you take off the crosshair display, its not as bad as one might think.

enjoyed RE5 demo.

[beavis4play]

now, players have to use cover and think out a strategy. make your shots count. too bad some can't handle this, because they're going to miss out on a whole lot of fun.

and what's with the guy from the article? he says the characters in KZ are "hulking masses"? they aren't........has he even seen the game?

[macalatus]

Yup, and no freakin' "Halo Bunny Hoppers" either!

[Max Power]

a "halo bunny hopper" because during the jump you can't use your gun.

[Playa7970]

this game is awesome it challenges you to aim with precision and accuracy unlike cough cough COD which has auto aim which is for handicap players that cant handle a real pistol if their life depended on it

[magicman0]

i agree... but COD 4 is still the best game in books... that is... until killzone comes out. I really love the way the guns function. At first i hated it, because it was so hard(i guess im used to the guns in COD 4), but when i played it, i loved the guns. They made the game soo much more fun, there so much more pleasure when killing someone in K2 than COD4, and believe me, im a die hard COD fan.

[Kamikaze135]

The visuals are beyond amazing, but all that set aside, I haven't had so much fun with a FPS game in quite some time.

[Rooted_Dust]

Sometime all the fun and the challenge is in the realism. Check out some of the early Tom Clancy games and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[thebudgetgamer]

i know a way to make it to his liking every time you go into cover the baddies stop and take a tea break so you can ready yourself.

:)

[Aclay]

Realism isn't something that just anybody can appreciate and get used to.

Even though games like Gran Turismo are very realistic and may not be as fast paced as or as "fun" as Arcade racer, I still get an exhilarating rush everytime I play GT and I only get that feeling when played GT, nothing else. Killzone 2 to me relates in the same way because some people will be able to adapt to the realism and still have fun with it, and some people just won't.

KZ2 is more of a Strategic/Tactical Shooter and because KZ2 is not a twitch shooter, you need to plan some of your actions prior to making them just like a real solider would in real life.

There wouldn't be anything unique or different about KZ2 if it felt/played EXACTLY like COD4. A lot of people just don't realize that the Realism factor is just a trademark of the Killzone franchise because KZ1 felt very similiar and had the same "hefty" feel, and without that authentic feel, KZ2 just wouldn't be a true Killzone game for Guerrilla.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

I'm glad Guerrilla Games are developers and not this author.

What the author of this article and many dissenters miss is that 'realistic' graphics and controls allow a developer to creative an immersive experience for the player. I know Killzone 2 has great success with this first hand from playing the online beta.

I was playing Gears co-op yesterday explaining to my buddy how I was even blown away with the physics of getting shot (not other players, but myself). It was more visceral and dramatic than what we were getting out of Gears.

Too realistic or not, I'm looking forward to this title.

[Mr PS3]

Believe me when i get this Game in my PS3 i'll be havin fun

[SWANN]

Agreed! Too much fun.

[creeping judas]

I'd hate to see this guy play something like RainBow6 or something more realistic??? He'd probably cry!!!

[Creep]

this article fails if this guy thinks taht gta4 was the best game for 2008 to me gta4 went for the realeatic feel to it and story which ruin the seris but in a shooter come on fps

[OuterHaven]

and now, the kz2 hate begins.

[Fruit Loops]

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[grantps3]

^^^^^
i dont think that rainbow6 is anywere as realistic as Killzone 2, but i agree that whoever wrote this needs to grow some B@lls.

this game is amazing. end of story. goodbye

[creeping judas]

it's ok to love KZ2, but to say it's realistic? I wan't what you're having, cause it sounds like fun!!

[orangeson58]

Personally, I agree with the guy. I think there are a ton of people that don't like the "realistic" aiming, but they're too afraid to admit it because of the massive hype surrounding this game. It's much more popular to just say, "it's fine" than to protest against it.

[beavis4play]

people don't "go along" to be popular.(on the internet anyways)

my god.......if anything, the internet is a hatefest. i'm more willing to believe people really like KZ.

[Sevir04]

and pu$$y gamers still stuck on COD4s Noob setting is crying because he cant deal with fierce A.I and real like aim and control. let it be. KZ2 isn't just any shoot, to me it has now formed a new genre, Shooter Sim. just like Gran Turismo forged the Race Driving Sim.

This is as close to real shooting, as every gun has weight and recoils realistically, No one aims like COD4 in real life because it's just plain impossible, no gun will stay in place when you fire so thats why this game blows all the others out of the water. as Sonarus Said, This IS Killzone, Not halo or COD4... get with it or get out.

[ultimolu]

I had a lot of fun in the demo. It just makes me even more excited for the game.

[AshleyRiot]

Ditto. BTW in the warehouse make the guy shooting from on top of the room up the stairs fall so you can try out a different gun. Try shooting him in the legs when he's near the edge to make him fall. Instead of walking through the doorway to end the demo. Toss a nade through the doorway to reveal more propane tanks and some nice environmental damage. Or go through the doorway guns blazing and listen to what your AI buddy says.

[ultimolu]

Ooooh, that sounds awesome.

I should try taking all of them down with a pistol. :P

[beavis4play]

some of the helghast grab at their eyes when you shoot them up close. then go in for the big "melee finish"!! it rocks!

[killzone2flop]

What fun......Theirs no fun when your stuck in a Glitch i tell you.

[silverchode]

gears of war 2

[PR3DAT0R]

There has been only one major glitch and that guy spent hours looking for one, and it was hard, there is no sense of being stuck moron, you just suck at everything you do, i mean you cant even create intelligent remarks on n4g just a load of ballsh*t.

i found it incredibly fun and entertaining but unfortunately it was only 15 mins long. Also a serious sense of realism in the game

[Chnswdchldrn]

Oh so now it's TOO realistic? Wow.

[jBat17]

the slowed-down, deliberate pace of KILLZONE 2 feels not fun at first. this game reminds me of the tactical gameplay of socom and counter-strike back in the days. auto-aim turned down, walking instead of running fro better results.

slow =/= boring.

it may not be as intense as run and gun but the slowed-down pace creates more tense moments. you just need more patience and brains in these games.

[magicman0]

im a die hard COD fan, and im used to this too, but the cover system makes the game really fun, and also, like i said before, there is much more pleasure killing someone in K2 than COD4

using R2, K2, and COD4... according to best online
K2?, COD4, R2
best single player
R2, K2, COD4
most pleasure in killing someone
K2 + R2, COD4

[BlackCountryBob]

I thought the demo was a great laugh, I had huge smile on my face. The mechanics and the gun loving of it all made me think of it as a spiritual successor to Black. As for the aiming, making you aim the gun is a good thing, I hate those little tricks like snap aiming and Halo jumping because it ruins the immersion for me.

But that's just me.

[Sasanova]

people that complain about the aiming obviously are garbage gamers and should stick to halo. other then that, when you truly master the aiming, like i did, playing the demo over and over and over again is constant fun because its always different...ALWAYS...once you start to get the hang of aiming, there is no greater feeling of accomplishment then taking the guy out long range with a burst of bullets. omg the demo is insane

[Statix]

To me, I like a good challenge in my games. As long as the gameplay feels well-balanced and not terribly cheap. Therefore, harder = fun, in my view. If you don't want to be challenged in a game, then you always have the option to turn the difficulty down to Easy. For the rest of us, the challenging and engaging gameplay doesn't need to be sacrificed just because you don't want to lose.

I am a stickler for smooth, precise, accurate controls in my shooters however, and I feel that it's important for the challenge of the game to NOT come from the controls feeling imprecise (i.e., too much Deadzone area to the analog stick). Analog joystick control precision should not be hindered just to add to a game's challenge.

[beavis4play]

you're also contradicting yourself. if you enjoy a challenge......you should welcome the realism of the game. instead, you're doing nothing but complaining about it.
funny thing too...... you say you want a challenge, but you then decide what is or isn't a challenge?
a more realistic approach (like in the KZ mechanics) should be considered a better challenge than the same old " easy instant
aim" used by all FPSs to date. i guess a challenge to you is something you KNOW you can master or have already mastered? but that really doesn't make it a true challenge, does it?
not hating, but your arguement sounds kind of hollow. come on dude, climb out of your safe zone and accept the challenge KZ has to offer.......or you can go back to playing it safe with COD.

[bigjclassic]

a constant challenge. That's why KZ2 is tops. Even Halo 3 is a challenge on its single player campaign. That's why games like RE, Zelda, SMG, SF and other are popular because they always provide a challenge to the gamer.

[Statix]

How am I contradicting myself? The fact of the matter is that I said I enjoy a steep challenge in my games, with the one qualification that sub-par controls not be a part of the overall equation of that challenge.

Believe me, this isn't a matter of me whining about Killzone 2 being too hard. I will still beat Killzone 2 on the harder or hardest difficulty settings, and I'll likely do so with ease (I rarely find that any shooters nowadays offer me a tough enough challenge for my liking), even if the controls in the final retail game are not as precise as some other top-tier shooters out there. So believe me, I most certainly DO want a good challenge. I just don't think that imprecise, inaccurate controls ought to be a substitute for tougher, smarter AI, greater enemy accuracy, more enemies, etc. Thus, I WANT a challenge, but I also have a deep, deep appreciation as a hardcore console shooting fan/veteran for smooth, precise sniping & aiming controls.

Having witnessed Killzone 2's current aiming controls, I don't believe that the feeling of "weight and momentum" was just an intentional game-design choice. Because if it were indeed intentional, then turning with a pistol would feel completely different from turning with an RPG, by virtue of the hugely different weights of those two weapons. However, the player character turns and aims identically regardless of whether he wields a pistol or a rocket launcher. Rather, I believe that that is simply how the current aiming controls feel, and that the sensitivity and acceleration curves were what Guerilla happened to come up with (good or bad) as what they felt were the best solution for the inherent mechanical imprecision and limited range of motion of a modern controller's analog stick. Time will tell if the current feel of the aiming controls are perceived as functional or good in the eye of the general gaming public, and whether it will be find mass-audience adoption/acceptance.

[PirateThom]

Nope, game is still fun.

I just shot a Helghast up and then, as he was stubling back, melee attacked him to make him fall.

And it made me happy.

[beavis4play]

the i went to the warehouse and just opened up a can of melee "wup @ss". and it tasted sweet!

[LinuxGuru]

Nope.

[JonahNL]

Is there any other way to put it then "NO!"?

[killzone2flop]

R2 best single player you FAIL = your a pathetic Sony Droid.

[PR3DAT0R]

Hey we all agree with you right guys? (SARCASM)

lol 8 disagrees, 0 agrees. Someones obviously popular, tell you what save yourself more embarrassment leave n4g.

[DNAgent]

Killzone 2 is essentially like GTA4 as far as the whole realism/fun thing goes.

[Gue1]

???

[Obelisk92]

WTH?

I' ve found the demo actually fun... it' s realistic indeed, but still fun!

[The_Zeitgeist]

Game critics are never happy. Lets have realistic without being too realistic. What? Crazy people. If you don't like Killzone 2 then say so. You don't have to sit there and say things like this. Just be honest without trying to tear down.

[onomix]

That is why Snatcher, Metal Gear Solid and Grim Fandango is my favorite games. Snatcher had little gameplay, but the story was phenomenal. I can't stop thinking of it, and the voice-acting is so well done. I got really into the story.

Games like Halo is fun. But I did not get the awesome feeling I did with Snatcher and other games, because Halo did not have such a good story. The first time I played Snatcher I was like ''What is going to happen now'', and I get that fear inside of me many times. Kojima is a genius, and his plot twists are awesome. Killzone 2 is fun, but I will have to wait and see about how good the story and voice-acting will be.

One of The soundtrack in Snatcher is haunting me. Every time I heard it, I knew something bad would happen.

[beavis4play]

the story started there and it was great. no reason to believe the continuation of it in KZ2 won't be just as good.

[kewlkat007]

Look at past shooters and compare whats has been most important, Realism or just pure Fun?

Yes, there can be a balance and after playing KZ2 completely, I'm hoping it's a bit of both but expect some might be turned off by it one or the other.

[The_Zeitgeist]

This writer actually based his opinion for the entire article based of the demo. A 10 min Demo. I guess he saw enough to know the last 9hrs and 50mins of the game just were not any fun.

*note sarcasm*

[Bigbangbing]

My fun is the "Realism".

[Scruffy_K]

So it's not fun because it's not a run and gun Halo clone? Also, you're basing your opinion on a game off a demo? If demo's are any indication of how good a game plays then watch out Capcom, RE5 is horrible.

[likedamaster]

Obviously there are two extremes when trying to make games fun... from the sound of this article, Killzone 2 chose an extreme over balance.

[jcgamer]

realism can be fun...DUH! lol...and i LOVE the controls...there's dark humor in the game OBVIOUSLY...watching the enemies do the harlem shake when you fill em up with bullets is absolutely fun! lol

Kizzy 2 FTW!

[topgeareasy]

does this article Sacrifice from being a good read in the Name of stupidity?

[PotNoodle]

GTFO

[2FootYard]

Slow aiming would get on my nerves, but I've always tended to stay away from realistic games. That doesn't mean I don't like a challenge though.

[beavis4play]

???

[Unicron]

Waaaahhhh I can't bunny hop!

Waaaahhhhh the game won't auto aim for me!

I'm sorry, not EVERY game has to be Halo or CoD. I like that this feels a little different. Will it take adjustment? Yes. AM I willing to put in that time? Yes. Only then can I tell you if the MP was "fun" or not. I'm not going to judge a game based on a 4 minute demo.

[Socomer 1979]

so the a.i. Is killer. Its too killer?
Good bye noobs. Have fun with the outdated gen you're used to.
Casuals can ki$$ my a$$.

Ps3 is hardcore.
Edge thinks you're just gonna play campaign twice. They know there's trophies but still they think you're playing twice. Twice? With killer a.i?
Good practice for multiplayer.
Yet this numbnut second string gamer says this game is too hard. No. Too hard is killzone liberation. If killzone is just as hard as that then yes please may I have another.

Everybody is a critic. Even If they do not excel at videogames apparently if you write about them that makes you a pro. You can fool the kids but too bad the ps3 is a system of the working man.

[Bombomb]

of course that game is no run and gun and if it was the it wouldnt be gears of war.

the same complaint for resident evil 5 controls, some want it to be run and gun but resident even is not about run and gun

now we have kz2, hat same hypocrisy is realized.

[2FootYard]

Unicron if you were responding to my comment they you can f*** yourself.

[Unicron]

Is it set as a reply/subpost to your post? No. So chill the hell out. It had nothing to do with you.

[Lombax]

Kill all the Higgs, but don't go through the last door. GO SHOOT THE GAS/PROPANE TANKS ON THE BOTTOMS AND THE EDGES, then come back and answer the question.

[Socomer 1979]

the writer is not a gamer. He just exposed himself as a critic who just got into this business to ride coatails of all the hits generated from contraversy. That's ghey. I could not, would not, and cannot relate.
WTF are you talking about???

[Flare149]

I hope the author realizes that the controls can be changed. As for the weight of the guns, they madethe blind fire pretty accurate so you don't awlays have to aim in

[buy a ps3]

NO every second of the demo was pure orgy. and their are parts of the game that were unrealistic just to make the game funnier like having unlimited pistol ammo.

[komp]

at least this is a new phrase yet to be exploited!

"There's a point where a game becomes so realistic that it's not fun, and Killzone 2 comes dangerously close to that point. "

A-
mazing

[Rahim92]

For me, Realism in FPS games is the most essential to me. Because you view the world as a real human does with his eyes straight and a gun on his right hand. And to really feel like you're into that environment, that is where the realism is most counted. I played the Killzone 2 demo and i think it delivers all that realism that FPS games should, at the same time i also had fun with the gameplay because it makes you feel the heat going around you and the enemies. The game feel is intense and i really enjoyed it. However, there are some games that do not require so much realism because the main focus is on the ''Fun factor''. The best example for this would be GTA IV, I love the GTA series but i was sort of disappointed with GTA IV. Rockstar attempted to make a fully realistic games for the next-generation consoles but after all the massive hype for the game, they failed to deliver the ''Fun factor'' which is the MOST important to GTA games. That's the reason GTA IV was called ''Overhyped'' because most people like me got bored after finishing the story mode and barely touched the game later on. Bottom line is, FPS games MUST have a good amount of realism whereas Sandbox games should only have a decent amount of realism.

[beavis4play]

bring back the "fun" of vice city. and i never want to see or hear from niko bellic again.

[yog-sothot]

I almost never play FPS games on a console, usually, this genre is 100% PC for me. I've tried the demo of KZ2 and it's awesome ! Pure fun ! I've played it 5 or 6 times and I want to play it one more time.

I guess the guy who wrote the article is just unable to play the game

[Socomer 1979]

forget any dlc treyarch has planned.
Forget halo.
Forget gears.
Dlc for those games is a waste.

Thank you Sony for dropping the demo. It was smart of you to know that we can combat this b.s.
Purely from 10 minutes worth. Sony is just sexy that way & I want to bone my ps3.
The Psp is great too, come here PSP suck on my balls. Ohhhh sooooo goooood!

[kewlkat007]

...

[buy a ps3]

LOL i have the same fantasy somtimes.

[bomboclaat_gamer]

i use my psp to stop my door from closing. and the ps3 to hold down paper when im working. sony consoles have their uses

[cloudkev]

love the demo, cant wait for the game, but if i see one more killzone article i may explode, enough already.

[jackdoe]

CoD 4 did all of the stuff mentioned in the summary (inaccurate hip firing and grenades to flush out the player? Check!) and was still fun. I'm not clicking on the link to read the rest of the article though. They don't deserve the hits

[buy a ps3]

thats just what i was thinking.

[bomboclaat_gamer]

thats exactly what i was thinking too. omg

[NegativeCreep427]

Change is a bad thing.

I loved the new feel of Killzone 2 so much that just recently when I went back online with COD4, COD4 felt like my character was just floating like a fairy all over the place. I still love COD4, but when compared to Killzone 2 visually, it almost looks like a cartoon.

When compared to the feel of Killzone 2, COD4 feels like a platforming game.

[Bathyj]

Change is bad, but Killzone lacks innovation. Riiiiiiiiight.

[Veneno]

At the end of just about every xbox 360 review, the reviewer always adds that " while (insert name of 360 game here) has its flaws, the plusses far outweigh the minuses, this game gets a perfect 10!" And ps3 games never ever get this pass.

[bomboclaat_gamer]

u took the words right outa my mouth. thats exactly what i was about to say

[Blitzed]

LOL Bomboclaat is so f*ckin slow, he didn't get it.
I'm sorry Bomboclaat if you're actually 'special' otherwise you're just a f*ckin retard.

In case you're still starring at this comment with a confused, dumbfounded look, he wasn't ripping on the PS3 or KZ2, he was defending it.

[L-a-i-n]

A lot of gamers have become pampered little girls. OMG! I am having to work to kill something this so sucks! The point of a FPS is to be as close to real as it can be. The same goes with driving games. They kind of sound like the type of people that play game on easy so they feel they have accomplished something. I was on vacation during the beta so I got to spend endless hours destroying anything that moved in the multiplayer.

Viper7 - they said that they made it easy to level up the badges in the beta so people could try each class out. The retail version should take longer to get up there.

[ironcreed]

The lengths some will go to in order to try and discredit what a masterpiece this game is. I mean, give credit where credit is due for crying out loud, is that so hard? "It does nothing new, it feels too slow" and now, "it's too realistic." Give me a break. Anyone who has spent some time with the demo knows that those who try to downplay this game are flat out lying or at best grasping for straws and nit-picking because they are left wanting for complaints, but cannot find many that are even noteworthy in comparison to the incredible overall package. So, they create hilarious BS like this in order to try and put some bad mojo on the rapidly gaining momentum that KZ2 is DESERVINGLY creating.

Like EDGE giving it a 7, when all of the other well known sources have given it between 9-10. That review sticks out like a sore thumb, and nobody is supposed to question it or they are somehow a "fanboy?" The common excuse of course is, "well, you just do not understand their review system." So, you mean to tell me that the 10/10 they gave Halo 3 is an accurate score? Halo 3 has a fairly retarded story last time I checked, and the character models, graphics, physics, GAMEPLAY, lighting ect, ALL seem like a generation behind what Killzone 2 does.

Here we have this article, they are so eager to find something to complain about that they say the game is too realistic, lol. It felt so realistic, that myself, and everyone I know who played it were floored by how it was just on another level than anything out there on consoles in nearly every regard. The physics, animations, the A.I., realistic gameplay controls with a sense of weight, the sense of kick while shooting, all of the ridiculous amounts of detail, the sound, and of course the graphical prowess that is indeed quite spectacular. There is simply not another game like it, I do not care what anyone says. KZ2 is not, "just another run of the mill shooter with fancy graphics." Else, I probably would get later on down the road. However, if the addictive as hell, too short, but incredibly impressive demo is anything to go by, then the game is simply an 'experience' all it's own.

In fact, if you look at it rationally, and on a fair scale in comparison with other games in the FPS genre, it certainly deserves no lower than a 9.0 just for the sheer technical juggernaut it is in every area. Fortunately, the gameplay, presentation and incredibly deep multiplayer is there as well. So what then, lt's held it to a higher standard because it is a mega hyped PS3 game, so it must be over analyzed and scrutinized for every little thing instead of grading the game based on all of the many things it does INCREDIBLY well? ....Please, don't insult my intelligence.

[bomboclaat_gamer]

i have one thing to say:

7

[ironcreed]

That is because you have nothing else to say in the face of a vast majority of AAA scores. That one score is the only one amongst the rest that has any credibility because it is the lowest, lol? Some logic you got there, but at least you have something to hold on to....even if it is a very thin thread.

[Mindsucker]

If your talking about EDGE score all I have to say is
XBOX 360 Hardware of the year LOL

[beavis4play]

any thoughts on that?

[redsquad]

Well exactly, you have ONE thing to say.
I have a lot more, such as 8, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10... Plenty more where they came from.

[LarVanian]

No, the one game that did just that was Grand Theft Auto IV.

[rev20]

The game controls differently depending on if your playing single player or multiplayer. Single player is slow and heavy movement while the multiplayer is quite similar to cod in movement.

I haven't played many games where this is the case but it works perfectly for killzone 2.

[Neo604]

Let if see bad graphics, sound, and physic fun.

[Mindsucker]

Killzone 2 though it may not be for the weak and unskilled that think COD is the proof that they are a skilled fighter or leader. The realism to me is where gaming need to start going, to a degree, and I feel that Killzone 2 has hit that point fairly well. I am sick of these gamers who think getting shot in the back and being able to turn 180 deg and pull off a head shot is the way thing should be done I admit I have do it a few times it is not hard but after the 10th time It is BORING some of you people need to get out of the COD world and join the new fight- KZ2

[redsquad]

No.
Move along... nothing to see

[adlt]

I had a blast, in my opinion it's an amazing game. I like the fact that you can't whip around and kill the guy behind you. I mean if someone is killing you from behind a ton, you can't make not turning around fast enough an excuse because you should have learned from your mistakes the first five times -_-. Bottom line I love this game and I know I'm probably biased :D

[Bathyj]

Have you ever seen the net try to crucify one game so badly for 4 years and still fail by so much?

BEST SHOOTER EVER. FKN believe it.

[pete2711]

I know it's pathetic,

But then it is a PS3 exclusive so there will always be haters out of jealousy alone,

I can't remember GTA being too slated for not being fun anymore (Which it's not really) Or anyother shooter for being attack>cover>attack>c over or whatever,

Theres hasn't been a negative article based on anything really justefiable yet,

Just accept that this is a top top quality game, ONLY on PS3.

[talltony]

this game is too realistic, miss auto aim and just suck at this game.

[jkhan]

I still don't understand. How hard were the controls to manage. It took me literally a single playthrough of the demo to adjust & I had so much fun playing the demo. Till now I have played the demo for like 12 times. By the way the article should have been RE5 controls. Now those tank like controls really spoil all the fun and the logic for not able to run and gun and not even slash a knife is stupid.

[Firstkn1ghT]

Control makes or breaks FPS and it sounds like a lot of people are disappointed with the controls. I played the demo and I agree. My cousin is a major sony nut and fps fan and he hates it. The controls are plain sluggish.

On paper it might of been a great idea, but the end result is not. Expect a patch soon. Seriously what is the fun of a fps that you can't even aim at the people that outrun your aim???

On a side note, what is up with that horrible looking flame thrower??? Looks like a ps1 flamethrower.

[Jaces]

Since when have you had the chance to mess with the flamethrower in KZ?

[Firstkn1ghT]

I played the demo at my cousins house but I saw the flame thrower earlier today in some video. It looks like sh*t. Even Halo 3's flame thrower looks much nicer than KZ.

But anyway I have to agree with all the complaints on the control. It's just plain sluggish. Yes you can tweak the settings to your liking but it still comes out slow. I understand that they were trying to add "weight" to the gun but guns aren't that heavy to the point that you cannot aim with ease. Unless you have one of those insane looking guns from the movie Aliens. But KZ has your basic stock weapons. They definitely over did it with the weight factor. Not very realistic at all.

[pwnsause]

how do you know? ever held a gun before? the weight is pretty convincing to me.

[Mindsucker]

You know I have seen your BS posted on almost every article related to KZ2 and it is very appernt that you have no interest in the game other then flaming it. It is fanboy F#$ks like you that are messing up the industry and this generation of gaming. You are a fake Piece of crap that needs to rethink why you are into gaming to begin with. And by the way you are a disgrace to what was a great movie I think you need to change your Icon there too. Or maybe you do need more brains?

[GarandShooter]

Oh, I see, only the mass of the gun are affected by inertia and momentum.
Silly me, I thought the mass of the character would also be affected by inertia and momentum.

@pwnsauce
As an avid shooter of REAL FIREARMS, I agree. Obviously, all the complainers have never shot a pistol or rifle offhand. Let them try this: Shoot a pistol off hand at 25 yards, or a rifle at 100 yards, and see how many times they miss the entire paper, let alone the target printed on it. There is no such thing as rock steady aim when shooting offhand. Good shooters know their sway zone, and time their shots through that zone to score their hits.

[animalia85]

when I play a FPS I turn off all auto aim or anything that gives you an advantage. I beat call of duty 4 on veteran without auto aim including mile high club. It's cheap and if you need it you suck, and I would love to play against you and tear you a new asshole.

this is not directed at anyone specific, just in general. The controls are fine once you change a couple things in the options menu.

[Aft3rKill]

i played the demo and thought the same thing. its fun, new, and beautiful but to realistic to play and a little nauseating. I couldn't play this for 8 hours without getting sick that is for sure.

[ReaperXL7]

Shooters tend to be the only games, where I actually really want more realism.

Games like Killzone 2, COD, etc.

They are just more appealing to me.

It's shooters like Halo, and Resistance that I'm not super fans of because they lack any real form of realism whatsoever.

[nombon]

i hate when ppl complain about the stupidest sh!t like realism taking away fun from gameplay. the same thing happened when ppl started complaing gta 4 sucked because it wwas to real. these ppl who complain are usually fanboys or just great big d00uche bags. so killzone 2 will probably still kick aass no matter how real it is

[badkolo]

its not the auto aim, im glad there is no auto aim, i like that you have to learn to play it a little, i upped the sensitivity by 2 to 3 each and used alt2 setting, its just fine like that, I like the running in the game as well, i didnt even realize i could(noob). The graphics are much tighter but some things are flat while other things look great, its extremely solid in the graphics department even though the models of your squad are not the best i have seen but again solid no less.

The lighting and effect and sound are top notch and i feel like i earned a kill when i kill someone, the fluid animations are top notch, the way the ai does so many different things is also top notch.

What i find issue with is the the slow respons when using the right stick, it does have a pause mixed in with a blur, some say its weight but why would your head have so much weight. whenever you turn with your right stick it starts off slow and has a blur, i got used to it but its there, and thats just head movement.

As long as it doesnt affect the mp part then its fine, it does have a different feel but I like it so far, cant judge much by the demo but its great so far, I seen some quirky things happen but i guess thats the demoand final code should be better, I dont think its the auto aim people dont like i think its the sensitivity issue when you aim or move around.

[RumbleFish]

The guy is right. The aiming in this demo suxxx. Everything else I'm fine with. But I think the shooting would be more fun with a more CoD-like aiming. And I don't mean that auto aim!

[Idontplayconsoles]

You guys are so stupid it makes dividing by 0 actually worth it.

[badkolo]

I did notice lots of jaggies in the warehouse as well, but no biggie.

[badkolo]

its not that the aiming sucks, it doesnt, if oyu play it for a while it becomes almost second nature, but there is a delay in action from when you move the stick and when that relays into movement on screen, i feel its a mix of delay and the way you start off slow and move faster as you push the stick in whichever direction your looking at, like its easy to over steer or understeer your movement because its not precise or fast enough, as if there is sensitivity in the way you move when use the stick to move.

Its hard to explain but its there.

[Don_Frappucino]

Not everyone wants to play Halo all their life. Some people want games closer to realms of reality where you can't jump 6ft in the air

[iEternal]

I completely agree, Don.

KZ2 is rugged and real, and highly enjoyable because of that. There is no problem bringing a high sense of realism to the FPS genre. After all, isn't that a main objective in FPS progression is? If you don't like it, go play Wolfenstein.

[Duoma]

All i gotta say is Im with some people who say they generally hate FPS last one I really enjoyed was goldeneye on the N64 and Perfect dark and this game has made me WANT to get back into FPS's

For the people complaining about having to take cover, you're probably the type of losers who can't play without auto-aim or radar and you camp body armor and re-spawn points all day long and think you have skills.

Oh and another thing...you can adjust the controls and sensitivity in the options ;-)

[badkolo]

I replayed it again, If you leave the sensitivity alone I notice it more, if i bring the sensitivity to 3 nothces above what is set it works much better.

I dont find the movement of the game sluggish at all, i like the way it feels, it was the blur and slowness or lag of the controls with the right stick not the left. Compared to halo or cod4, those games there seems to be much less weight not just to your character but in the quickness you can look around. which noobs things a little but then pc gamers wont like the way the movement works since they will use a mouse and keyboard. pc guys are used to a much faster repsonce.

I prefer this more methodical approach becuase i dont have twitchy hands to play like those gods on pc with mouse and keyboard, i just hoped that the lag or slowness can be adjusted a tad more.

Killzone 2 slows that movement just a tad. So adjust your sensitivity to where your responce with left stick is slightly faster then the original option.

The issue to me is, besides that when you look left or right,up,down besides the blur effect and the slower movement that gradually becomes faster, is that there is a tad lag from the moment you press into a direction to when the other slow movement occurs.

Its not a complaint, just try it for yourself, I feel i got it to where i like it by adjusting to alt2 and 3 notches to 4 notches up on the sensitivity which overrides the issue a little.

[badkolo]

while you can adjust the sensitivity there is a responce issue for some, look at the screen and tap the right stick in a direction and look at when your character actually moves from the point second you tapped in a direction, thats the issue. so you have a split nano second lag plus a slow to fast moving feature after the initial tap.

Thats not me knocking it, thats me trying to explain what it feels like. so others might understand how to fix it with amixture of sensitivity and playing around with it a bit. There is this feeling of PRESSURE SENSITIVITY in the movement, some say its the feeling of weight, whatever it is its there. Not in the left stick but the right stick.

that video below shows how to set it up button doesnt show the issue we are describing , ill make a video and post it later.

[Anilom]

Look!!

[azmanmanz]

lol. i always make fun with real thing... do u?

[Thoreau]

are not having any fun with killzone 2

[omgwownoobs]

huh? did call of duty sacrifice fun in the name of realism?? wtf is this sh*t???

[solidworm]

and boy WOW amazing just amazing game.///....

[BMS84]

Graphics are a big part of realism, most people want always better graphics, now that Killzone 2 brings the best console graphics , it's to realistic? so that means there should not come a PS4/Xbox720 because that's to realistic.. Come on stop whining about Killzone 2 , this game is just top notch.

[smurfie4]

You should blame your own incompetence rather than killzone. Games are suppose to challenge you. Too many people are use to being able to run through a level with throwing grenades and spraying anything that moves. A game like killzone calms your hyper @ss down by providing an enemy that wont stand out in the open with a "shoot here" sign on them. If you think killzone 2 is too realistic you would have a stroke playing real military sims. If you have a problem with killzone take your non-tactical behind to a game with enemies allergic to intelligence.

[lost2]

killzone = halo/360 killer
this is the beggining of the end for the xbox

[mc-fine]

The demo is fun in spite of the crummy controls. If you utilize the cover system as intended all you do is get frustrated at the sluggish aim because you can't strafe your cursor into position. I've never played COD on the PS3, I don't care for auto-aim and the demo is very easy.

The graphics, sound, animation and AI are the strong points of KZ2. The gravity and the jump style give the character weight. The sluggish controls just make you feel like you aren't properly in control of the character and lowers the fun factor.