How Killzone 2 Would've Been Perfect

Split-screen.com writes: "Killzone 2 is a fun, albeit derivative experience. Okay, the graphics are the bomb and the atmosphere is the most immersive war-zone ever created for home consoles. It's even convinced some of us stronger naysayers to admit they were wrong. But man-alive, couldn't a little bit of thought have been placed into originality? You have this incredible architecture and enough money to fund a UN mission aid, but all you wow me with are prettier gibs and lame squad AI? Here are some ways Killzone 2 could have reached Legendary rather than typical (note the lower-case) shooter status. Granted, it doesn't make it any less fun but the feeling of "been there, done that" is too strong not to share."

[rucky]

Yeah yeah it would've been perfect if it were a multiplatform game we know. What a load of bullcrap. Only on a Playstation exclusive title all these nitpicking happens.

Bite me media!

[BRACHATTACK]

Oh!

Like Halo 3 and Gears 2!

If this was a 360 game, it would have 10's all over.

The critics just can't admit Killzone 2 has surpassed all the sh!t they were saying about it!

[kapedkrusader]

...The original Killzone had 4 members in the squad as well. So technically, Gears isn't original, not the other way around.

[Mr_Bun]

Don't forget the cover system that Gears stole from Kill.Switch...which was probably used even before that.

[Giriath]

Yeah, but the media can't admit that GeoW didn't really do much new at all. Its cover system was treated as a Godsend when it had actually been done before in the TPS genre. But when Killzone 2 features the first cover in first person, it sure as hell isn't anything new.

[Masta_fro]

enough of these articles, please...

[CrayzeeCarl]

KZ stole the 4 man squad?!? What else do you want? Would it have been better to have a 3 or 5 man squad???

[Esena]

Well said. It's truly unprofessional for someone to criticize a game for copying when it actually first included the 4 person squad. I find it funny how much nitpicking goes into Killzone 2. People are over-analyzing this game. The scores it receives should not be compared to any other game because no other game goes through such scrutiny.

[Alexious]

Such pathetic idiots.

Every game in this generation is pretty much "been there, done that" except from 2-3 maybe. Even Bioshock copies pretty much System Shock 2.
What the hell is this incompetent talking about?

Oh, yes, I forgot. Of course he wants to talk down about Killzone 2, since it's a PlayStation 3 exclusive fps not allowed by some media to be considered better than, say, 360 exclusives.

[Maddens Raiders]

all of my diatribes and reasons for hating the PlayStation 3 and KILLZONE II in particular.......have been butt raped, so now I have to make up pretend excuses.

E P I C F A I L

[GWAVE]

After reading articles like this I wonder how any self-respecting human being can still think that the gaming media ISN'T biased against the PS3.

The article basically says "Okay, we were naysayers. We ragged on this game and didn't expect it to live up to the hype. Lo and behold, it lived up to the hype and SURPASSED the hype, but...uh...it wasn't original enough. It wasn't PERFECT. So, even though our naysaying was thrown back in our faces...even though our fanboyish predictions turned out wrong...even though all the hate we had against this game was unfounded...it wasn't PERFECT, so therefore we feel the need to write this article to let you know."

There. Now you kids don't have to click on the link.

[SL1M DADDY]

If it says "For Playstation 3 Only" on the cover, it gets picked at far more than any other title. The media used to try and hide it but these days they are just blatant about their bias. Sad shame.

[mgsfan]

this is just bull. its a FPS. gaming has been going on since ...emm.. since ever..sooner or later all ideas are going to be done anyway.they last few new things are being used up like LBP and thats not THAT new. i hate when games get put down just co its "not new" and yet there are some things in killzone that are new, cover, the mode on online ( its probley been done but not in this gen)

[soxfan2005]

So, the media is trying to keep PS3 down and bolster the Xbox 360? Riiiggghhhttt. Where was the pro-Microsoft media when the Xbox was being crushed by the PS2 by a 6:1 margin? Using Sony fanboys reasoning, maybe the PS2 only won last generation because of pro-Sony media.

[Ju]

It gets nitpicked as hell. Admitted. But, staying an optimist, I would like to say, I have hardly seen a game filling the front page for weeks like KZ2 does. Not Halo3, not Geow2, nor any other game.

[RememberThe357]

That most gaming journalists have forgotten how to critically think. Thus, they're stuck tripping over their stupid ass contradictory statements.

The thing that pisses me off is that none of these reviewer are held to their word.

How can you give Gears of War 2 a prefect score in graphics and then given Killzone 2 a lower rating, while saying it's the best looking console game?

How can you give Halo 3 a higher score for it's story then Killzone 2? I haven't even played Killzone 2 and I know it's story will be better than Halo 3's.

All these reviewers do is post their reviews then go hide in a corner pretending to not hear us calling them out. One of these a-holes need to come out and defend their biased comments.

[Traveler]

He already admitted to being a naysayer, so 'nough said.

I think we all know what is motivating this intense nitpicking.

[DeadIIIRed]

Totally agree. These cowards get to take biased potshots at a great game and will probably never be held accountable for their bs. I guess the most we can do is pay attention to who is giving fair reviews and boycott the cowards.

[pixelsword]

Killzone 2 is a fun, albeit derivative experience. Okay, the graphics are the bomb and the atmosphere is the most immersive war-zone ever created for home consoles. It’s even convinced some of us stronger naysayers to admit they were wrong. But man-alive, couldn’t a little bit of thought have been placed into originality? You have this incredible architecture and enough money to fund a UN mission aid, but all you wow me with are prettier gibs and lame squad AI? Here are some ways Killzone 2 could have reached Legendary rather than typical (note the lower-case) shooter status. Granted, it doesn’t make it any less fun but the feeling of “been there, done that” is too strong not to share.

She’s Gonna Blow Captain!…Any Minute Now…

When the Helghast launch an assault on your mothership as Visari seeks the nuclear access codes, tensions couldn’t be…lower. Yes, that’s right, because for the entire hullabaloo over the ship requesting you to evacuate – Lord knows why we didn’t do that earlier instead of fending off enemy ships with gun turrets or killing the Helghast inside – it will, as always, remind you you’re playing a game and wait patiently for you to actually board the escape crafts. The warnings only grow the closer you get, but you could dawdle for five minutes or fifty and it won’t matter. Visari will still wait patiently to kill the Captain, the Captain will wait to keep the damn thing afloat before sending it back to sweet mother Earth and what-not. Hell, they should have thrown in endless waves of Helghast pursuing you rather than impeding your way, if only to get the damn thing over with and add real tension.

This is but one example of the atypical missions. Others include stunning a robot and hitting it with rockets magically located nearby (neat-o!) and manning turrets to – gasp! – defend a city square. Better reasons to shoot through these pretty levels, please.

Four of a Kind of Gears Something-Something

separated-at-birth-againOne thing Killzone 2 does blatantly take from Gears of War is the four man squad, including you, that accompanies you throughout the game and serves as buddies to bond with. Forget the fact that these guys can’t seem to stay alive for longer than a few minutes in an intense firefight (of which KZ2 is nothing but) – their dialogues compete with the worst gangsta flicks in terms of profanity and shallowness:

“We gotta take out that fvcking tank!”
“Here come the fvckers, fvck them!”
“Fvcking fvck fvckity fvck!”

That last line was all I could hear on reaching mission 3. Everything else was just noise. Would it kill developers to hire some decent writers or at least go easy on the caffeine when taking up the pen?

Would You Like Vanilla With That?

typical-weaponAh, the weapon selection. Nothing says “Sunday mass funeral” quite like guns. The more exotic and unique the weapon, the better. After all those extravagant ways of murdering individuals, don’t we owe it to ourselves to disembowel them in full hi-res 720p glory? Now let’s take a look at the selection. Hmmm…Flamethrower? Check. Machine gun? Check. Chain gun? Check. Sniper rifle with built-in (or else) SixAxis controls? Check. Assault rifle equipped with grenade launcher? Double-check. Nail-gun? You bet. Lasers, miniature nukes, plasma weapons, telekinesis, napalm, shield guns (or just plain shields)…any kind of secondary firing options? Nope. If that isn’t the most typical shooting arrangement this side of Quake and Doom, I’ll eat my BFG. More variety, please.

covered-in-fearAlso, I don’t hate Killzone 2 for ripping off something from Gears of War. It’s a known fact that all games rip or borrow mechanics from each other at some point in time, so it’s become commonplace. However, when some one does it better and does it first with no one else copying them for years on end, then a little lifting from the concept doc is bound to get attention. Remember the infinitely useful cover system, which lets you lean out left or right from behind structures and pick off foes with relative safety? It’s a perfect facsimile of that from another hallmark FPS: F.E.A.R.. Alma’s going to be mad. Okay, even madder than usual.

Tanks Ahoy

vehiclesWhen Operation Flashpoint was released for the PC, it garnered away one accolade from Halo: The first FPS to use vehicles. But Codemasters didn’t take that as a call to begin the tacking on. They introduced unorthodox vehicles like helicopters and gun-ships along with the usual assortment of jeeps and tanks. Nowadays, FPS’s have all kinds of vehicles, so the trick has become to incorporate them in unique ways. Take Half-Life 2: It featured a buggy with a turret but was melded so seamlessly with the game, it felt like a part of Gordon himself. It was indispensable.

Now, I’m not going to insult Killzone 2 for having a jeep with a turret like Halo’s Warthog because you don’t actually pilot it. It serves as a transition device in a cut-scene. The mech and tanks are as detached from your character as possible. The designers actually make the mech incredibly weak against all weapons, even bullet-types, so you’ll take better care of it. No feeling of invincibility? No new spins? Just another way to kill stuff? Sweet lord, the humanity…

O Brother, Where Art Thou?

separated-at-birth-ftwRepress ive ideologies focused primarily on warfare and Communist influences? The requirement of inhuman energies to survive, energies that are not to be consumed directly by people between the ages of 1 month to 100 years? Helmets with shiny coloured lights that allow you to shoot in the dark and add Nazi influences for the whole evil effect? Other-worldly energies and awe-inspiring weaponry that a feisty human resistance will nonetheless best with their simplified ways and machinery all thanks to one spunky, intrepid hero?

Let it be official then: The Combine (Half-Life 2) and the Helghast are officially long-lost brothers who fell off the same tree some where far, far away in another galaxy. They’re all men, too. Yikes.

Paint it Gray

paint-it-grayWe love the graphics for Killzone 2. Killzone 2 is a graphical cake we’re hesitant to bite into because it looks so gosh-darned gorgeous. I think it would win awards for its graphics, maybe even more awards than it’s closest graphical competitor Crysis. But one thing that can’t be forgiven is the colour palette. Yes, it’s a dead man’s wonderland of ash and acid rain but the choice of grays, grays, “Hey, it’s some red! Wait, no, just some more Helghast” and more grays with the occasional overexposed browns really get monotonous. Come on Guerrilla – even id Software had to ditch their limited colour palette sooner or later, as Rage aptly shows. Why prolong the whole thing?

Know any other way to make Killzone 2 better? Let us know. We love adding to the pile.

[stevenhiggster]

That'll be split-screen.com added to my list of 360 fanboy sites to be ignored.

"One thing Killzone 2 does blatantly take from Gears of War is the four man squad, including you,"

Now forgive me if I'm wrong but wasn't Killzone 1 out long before Gears of War, thats right yes it was and guess what, it had the same four man squad including you!!! So who takes from who exactly?!

[olivia]

i'am really getting to hate the media,all they do is nitpick on everything sony so not cool

[QUNE]

“We gotta take out that fvcking tank!”
“Here come the fvckers, fvck them!”
“Fvcking fvck fvckity fvck!”

LMAO

I understand using a curse word every now and then, but c'mon. All this shows is a severe lack of originality. I think I'll save my money. Maybe a rental at best.

[Parapraxis]

Oh, I'm SUUURE you were going to pick this game up but have now decided to change your mind due to the use of foul language in the game.
Yep, that's REALLY believable.

Try harder.

[BRACHATTACK]

Rent just because it swears?!

What would you do if you were staring an RPG in the face!!?

Seriously, this is a gritty game, not a theatrical masterpiece full of clever words.

[QUNE]

It's not because of the USE of foul language. I don't believe I said that. I thought it was funny in case you didn't notice.
It sounds like they're reaching a little.
It doesn't have to be a masterpiece full of words.
Too many people complain when valid observations are brought up. Just like this article does.

[rhood022]

I'm sorry, but has anyone ever been in a warzone? Particularly with Marines?

Saying "fvck" is like saying "the." And it's one of the nicer curse words thrown around. If anything, the dialogue is more true to life than even the lines spewed in the COD series.

[Aclay]

"I understand using a curse word every now and then, but c'mon. All this shows is a severe lack of originality. I think I'll save my money. Maybe a rental at best."

The characters in Killzone 2 are Military guys, do you really expect them to talk like they are college professors or something?

If you think Killzone 2's foul language is bad, then you definantly haven't played The Getway because that game has the F-bomb or some other curse word in almost every sentence.

Like I said in my post below, I really don't care about voice acting unless it's a game that's 100% story driven and you AREN'T buying Killzone 2 for the voice acting, you are buying it for the intense FPS action.

[Snyph3r]

to Jack Bauer in COD WAW....Killzone2 is not the only game that has swears on it. What do you want to hear like..."let's do it Marines...or maybe Let's do it ISA Alpha Squad...." that's fvkn gay!

Killzowned!

[TheHater]

I know what you are talking about man. I had a guy that was in the Navy in my Networking class and the amount of profanity he use too use was insane. He have to adjust to the classroom environment because he wasn't in the Navy anymore.

[Maddens Raiders]

suck on your name buddy.

[RememberThe357]

How about you go to warzone, come back, and tell me how the solders sound. I'm sure it'll be like a royal ball...

"Excuse me sir, a thousand pardons, but may I shoot you in the face?"

"Oh, you very well may, let me finish my tea."

If I was getting shot at, I'd be droppin F-bombs all over the place as well.

[Traveler]

Yep, more true to life for sure.

[macalatus]

Leave Donger alone. Feel confident that he'll the first, and ONLY guy to camp outside of Xboxstop...er, Gamestop, for the first-day release of Barney: The Purple Dinosaur Adventure!!

[blackpanther25]

You live in some all white super suburban area where people greet each every morning and have tea parties in the afternoon. Go live in New York as a matter of fact go visit NYC people don't even know that they are cursing in that city (sh!t even my professor curses like crazy and he a Judge and a lawyer)

Even the amount of cursing in the getaway is reasonable (i say this because i have been to Peckham, london and they curse like they from ny)

[Rise Of The Bad Guy]

If it had a Microsoft logo before the game started,right?

No no,if it had a Bungie games logo on the lower right side of the main menu,right?

No WAIT!if it had a protagonist with a neck the width of an Oak tree,right?

Microsoft Defense Squad,how's about you spend less time writing articles about Sony and concentrate on your lack of games in 2009 and what you,as a journalist and Microsoft nuthugger,can do about the dismal software situation?

[soxfan2005]

Ahh, the short memory of Sony fanboys. Sony has been receiving positive press since 1995, at the expense of their competition. Remember the ridiculous claim that Saddam Hussein was trying to buy PS2's to use as missile launchers? Every paper reported that story, and the "power" of the PS2 was reported in every newspaper and TV newscast in the country. Was this fair to Sega, MS, or Nintendo? Hell, no. Not to mention the media cozying up to Sony when they announced the PS2's specs a year ahead of time - an attempt to derail the Dreamcast's launch.

Sony fanboys complaining about bias is like listening to New York Yankees fans complain about their championship drought. You've had it so good for so long that you can't handle not being on top. If 360 is favored by the media, it is only because Sony is being beaten at it's own game.

[Rythrine]

Perfect or not, I know I'll be enjoying this game come Feb. 27. That's all that matters, my opinion about it and not what other say. Reviewers can nit-pick all they want, they ain't changing my mind :)

[Rise Of The Bad Guy]

Say Goodnight to the Bad Guy

[CrayzeeCarl]

wha??

[Captain Tuttle]

There's some spoilers in that article.

[Kleptic]

uh yeah...noticed that too...stopped reading after the first paragraph for that same reason...

[Fishy Fingers]

Think this guy is a BIG Gears fan. Basically seems to think KZ copied Gears in several areas, Squad (4 members) and cover system, even though completely different (3PS vs FPS) and nether were first introduced in Gears.

Infact one gripe he has doesnt seem to draw comparisons to Gears is the muted colour palette. What? If anything thats the one area you could draw comparisons.

Doesn't like the vehicles, dont bring anything new, copied Halo. Far enough Halo pushed vehicles into FPS games and I'm sure most would agree with that, but it's become a standard now, rarely doesnt an FPS game not feature a vehicle or two. Ok KZ2's dont really offer anything new to the concept, but it's not trying to, it's trying, albeit in a sci-fi sense, to portray, and imitate a lifelike warzone, one we can relate, crazy super vehicles (UT for example) would of distracted from that.

I don't know, just seems like he's continuely drawing comparison to 360 games in a hope of coursing drama. You can describe your points perfectly well without drawing so many comparisons, because it's not really what you didn't like about the game, but what you DID like in your comparison games.

Didn't mean to type so much, maybe I'm a little bias, FPS is my favourite genre and the beta was the up there with (HL2+) CS:Source (my fav game ever), not usually like me to be defensive of a game :/

[PirateThom]

I like how it ignores the fact there was a 4 member squad in Killzone.

[Fishy Fingers]

Easily explained. Killzone wasnt on the 360 ;)

[PirateThom]

Admitting:

I never played Killzone, I only watched the cutscenes last night to get an idea of what's going on. :P

[Kleptic]

it all falls back to what GG/Sony promised...what was delivered...and what was expected by the media...

GG never said the game would have a focus on vehicle gameplay...never said they were 'reinventing the wheel'...and never said that it would have entirely new gameplay mechanics that no other shooter has (aside from the first person cover in SP)...

now what game did have that stuff?...Haze did...and the media people had a feild day with it...

I am simply having a hard time understanding how taking old ideas...and executing them BETTER than competition is a bad thing...you have 'played as a gun' before...even in halo...I had been playing as a gun for about 8 years before halo released...and so had anyone else that had played a first person shooter...halo tweaked that for consoles...that was basically it...

killzone 2 takes similar dated ideas...but instead of turning the genre on its head...focuses instead on overwhelming visual prowess and full immersion into the gameplay...

but forget all that...don't mention that game has its own feel, despite being similar to other shooters with similar mechanics...why would you do that?...these areas start to point out 'hey wait a minute...killzone 2 is actually EXACTLY what GG promised us...'...thats not right, can't have that...they need to judge it only on radically different mechanics that where not introduced with killzone 2...not what was promised in the first place...

you see...Halo 3 did introduce radically new stuff...I am not exactly sure what it was...but I am sure its in there somewhere...right?...after all, why would we be getting 15 articles like this a day if it didn't?...

[CrayzeeCarl]

I agree.

What's wrong with a 4-man squad? Oh, I see, a 5-man squad would have been teh uber-original.

[Rythrine]

You can add the fact that GG never said anything about "Coop" in the game and yet it seems that reviewers targeted that as a major flaw.

Well, all I can say is once a reviewer reviews a game with a particular title in my mind to compare it to, then his/her reviewing system is flawed and should not be taken into account.

Like I said in my earlier post, reviewers should review a game for what it is, not for what its not.

[Kleptic]

^^agreed...and that is more or less the soul reason that game reviewing is entirely broken...

you don't see this in any other form of entertainment...movies for example...a good critic will point out influences from other films for a particular movie...but will never criticize the latter film based on 'not doing it first'...

instead...the critics focus on production value...overall team unity (did the director keep a certain vibe and style throughout the entire film?)...did the actors portray whatever message the film was trying to make correctly?...etc.

more importantly though...film critics usually do not try to sum up any one film based on a numerical score...a numerical score by definition makes it inherantly easy to compare to other titles, which is one of the major shortcomings of gaming journalism...as game reviewers are NOT good journalists, and usually have a hard time not contradicting themselves on earlier reviews...take into account that there are hundreds of different individuals giving different scores for a single game...with no uniform way of saying 'this is what a 9.5/10 actually means'...and it completely falls apart almost immediately...

gaming?...not even close...'so and so did it first, this game loses because of it'...its overall pretty strange...as the gaming media almost single handedly decided that what 'we' want is innovation...always...above everthing else, a new game has to introduce new things first and foremost...that is the only way it can be judged on its own...as it would then be the only title to do those certain things...

so message to GG...thanks for the effort...and some understand what you were trying to accomplish, realize that you did it, and are thrilled because of it...yet others are not impressed with the fact that you took old ideas and executed them flawlessly...nevermind that old mechanics are now at an all time high quality wise...and not to mention that the visuals are unmatched...you weren't the first developer to make a game that invovled the player being a gun...other shooters are able to get away with the fact that they were not first...you are not...sorry...

and by the way Rythrine...i'll see you online on the 27th ;)

[RememberThe357]

Well said Kleptic. You should get into journalism so I don't have to keep reading articles from dumbasses. The only website I've come across with well written reviews is PSXExtreme, and Only The Games. It's sad really. It's not like IGN and GameSpot can't afford good writers. Sh*t, even Game Informer's reviews have went down hill since they gave Halo 3 a 9.75.

[Rythrine]

Well said, Kleptic. I like that movie industry comparison. Pretty much sums up gaming journalism nowadays.

Btw, I'll see you online. Don't forget your mic, man XD

[SupaPlaya]

In Killzone 3 :)

[ultimolu]

You know what?

In *my* eyes, this game will be perfect. In *my* eyes, I will enjoy it and I don't give a damn who attacks it.

Whoever writes garbage publications like this really need to find another hobby.

WOULD YOU LIKE CHEESE WITH THAT WHINE?

I don't know how much more perfect K2 needs to be. Guerrilla exceeded over the first one. That should matter the most.

[hippo24]

Smell some irony ultimolu

Its not perfect it doesn't need to be.

[ambientFLIER]

Why is your first post in the open zone? You'd think that if you didn't want drama, you'd post in the gamer zone.

[karlostomy]

@ ambient:

Yeah, I think Juuken got banned from the gamer zone for simply being so damn butt-ugly!

[ultimolu]

Yeah karl, because you're a hot stud yourself. >:P

Keep in mind that you also got banned as well.

I love how you guys go completely off topic while I was staying on topic. Keep the multiple accounts rolling! Disagree! I'm not blind as to what's going on. Some of you are tracking me to smack disagrees but it won't change my comments.

[ambientFLIER]

I never use the agree/disagree feature. And I'm not even trying to flame you. It's just that you've complained before that everyone attacks you, yet you keep posting in the Open Zone, as if you're looking for some drama.

And as far as Killzone is concerned, it's a day-one purchase for me, but I am a bit concerned about it. Seems like just another generic FPS with pretty graphics. I know it's going to look amazing and be fun online, but I doubt that the Single player experience will even come close to smething like COD4.

[cryymoar]

co-op and split screen would have been great, that doesnt mean the game should be docked points for not having it.
besides, i'm sure it's nothing that cannot be a future update/patch/ even DLC, i'd gladly pay for that sort of DLC.
and if now, it leaves room for improvement for a Killzone 3 :D

[ultimolu]

AMBIENT...let me make this clear in words even you can understand.

I was banned for a certain number of days in the Openzone. That's why I'm here and I look forward to getting out of here soon enough.

[ambientFLIER]

Banned for what? Being wise, unbiased, and helpful as usual? Anyway, I bet it's a real tragedy to you that you're stuck here in the open zone. /sarcasm

[karlostomy]

yeah juuken, babe.
My gf tells me i am damn hot.

That' s good enough for me.

XD

[Dirty J]

so much whine for a game that's bound to release in 3 weeks

[SupaPlaya]

some whine to go with the cheesy reviews.

Cheese :)

[gta2800]

lol thanks for the laugh.

[SupaPlaya]

lol it's nice to know your jokes work every once in awhile...

[Aclay]

I can't believe the guy writing this is actually complaining about the color pallet. Killzone 2 takes place on HELGHAN and Helghan is a very hostile environment. If there was Green Grass everywhere, Rainbows in the background and butterflies in the air, you wouldn't get the "Gritty" and "Unforgiving" atmosphere in Killzone 2.

Whenever you are fighting enemies like the Helghast that have to wear gas masks because of the toxic atmosphere, then obviously there's not going to be a bunch of Trees and Grass growing on such a planet, and therefore a wide color pallet on that type of planet just doesn't fit in.

As far as Weapons go, several of the weapons in KZ2 are based off of guns in Killzone 1 and Guerrilla was just staying true to the Killzone franchise when it comes to weapon design. The type of guns in KZ2 go hand in hand with the Killzone franchise, simple as that. Whenever the next Call of Duty comes out, I can pretty much guarantee that this guy won't be complaining about weapon variety or originality.

And how original do people expect FPS games to get? Unless you want to play a shooter with a bunch of unique Sci-fi inspired weapons like Resistance 2 or Halo, the guns aren't going to get that much more original. Sci-fi inspired weapons are fun, but personally I prefer shooters where the majority of the guns are grounded in reality.

I agree that the voice acting could have maybe been better in KZ2, but voice acting really isn't that important to me in a game unless it's a 100% story driven game like Uncharted or Metal Gear Solid 4.... The guy that did Scolar Visari's voice in KZ2 did a marvelous job though.

[Mariodotjpg]

Couldn't agree more.

[killzone2flop]

If it had marcus fenix or Master Chief as the main Character.

[Ryuk]

Lmfao!! Yeah while watchin and laughing as the droids begin waving their Sony flags like they won a war, thinking they finally got halo/gears on the ps3.

[TheHater]

hay Ryuk, I see you like opening up your mouth wide open when PP is around.

[Magic_The_Celt]

haha, you think any droid WANTS masterchief or marcus on the PS3?

Gears of war 2 was a fantastic game, Halo 3 is fun online but there good where they are

its the Xbox community WANTING games so bad, i think i've heard Killzone 2 be called "un-missable for any real FPS fan" in like 3 separate reviews now

and of course you all wish so hard you could have snake on your 360
:(

[Shane Kim]

We really don't give a f*ck about Halo or Gears. We have KZ2.

[Pennywise]

If we cared about either of those homo-erotic chars we would of bought a 360.

I know its a lot to ask of you pp, but THINK before you talk.

[Ryuk]

Haha, aww..wats the matter? I see you droids upgraded to androids now. Pretty soon you'll be in your final stage...the terminator lmao. Damn machines

@the hater: who's pp? Cause I see that you seem to like alot of that haha! I prefer getting girls but I see your sprung ova Pee-pee's lmfao

[MGOelite]

let me fill you in rhuk, pp is an annoying little fanboy (like you) with no life as he just spends the majority of his time BS-ing on N4G, all what he say is lies (just like you) and b!tches on ever ps3 news section to make him feel like the 360 is better.

[Ryuk]

Well let me fill you in, you spelled my name wrong.
Fanboy?? Naw..I own all 3 systems..hell, I'll even give u my psn account along wit da live one as well. And how can my opinion be a lie lmfao! Btw, >>Im here to annoy you and thats what I will do! U droid!<< ;D

[MGOelite]

why do people think that owning all 3 systems doesnt make your a fanboy?, that could just meen your richish, i bought a wii just cause i saw one in a shop for £180 and i bought it, and i still hate the wii more than the 360

[Helghast Slayer]

More like if it had a Power Ranger dressed in a green turd. Oh wait! that's the halo charcter lol.

[The Judderman]

Co op would have been nice and more chances to use vechiles but i can see why they didn't do it.
People should just be pleased that its a good game, isnt that enough anymore?
If you like fps's you will like it by all accounts and like the above says 'they exceeded the first one'. Im in.

[SupaPlaya]

so don't take this article too seriously. Just be glad this game is coming out soon. Gosh can't believe it 's coming out already. Feels like yesterday since I watched that trailer.

[Unicron]

No game is perfect, nor could it be, nor should it be expected to be.

What this guy "thinks" is not what the developers think and not what every gamer thinks. I think Gears 2 is a fun but heavily flawed game for instance, but I'm not presumptuous enough to tell Epic how to do their job. I enjoy the game for what it is. Constructive criticism on how to fix the next game is good, whining about what this game "should" have been is foolish.

IMHO.

[onomix]

There are games out there that are perfect. Like: Snatcher, LOZ:ALTTP, Sonic the Hedeghog 2, Shenmue 2, Chrono Trigger and more. I don't want to be a jerk, but there are games out there that are perfect.

[Unicron]

Hardly. People can have an opinion of what is perfect to them, but opinion varies from person to person. Nothing is flawless, it's just reality. A game can be universally accepted as amazing, but nothing is perfect. (And that is not to slight those amazing titles you mentioned)

[The Judderman]

Well i suppose gears had the chainsaw gun, and meat shields and Halo the generating sheild and console co op. But im sure thats not what they mean.
I think they mean Killzone seems to lack character and identity to make it stand out from the rest.
But the games good so.. so what.

[SupaPlaya]

this game would have been more "perfect" if Sony didn't forget to send a special edition backpack with the KZ2 reviews copies, along with a 160GB PS3.

Dang Sony keep forgetting this is American media it's dealing with here, so send the backpacks already.

/JK

This part is no joke: Just talked to a chinese restaurant owner complaining about the media. Some guy/column writer solicited her for a review and they wrote a less than stellar review for the restaurant. The guy then came back and asked her for $$ if she wants to get the verbiage changed in the paper. This is no joke.

[XPC HARDonE]

nothing could have been improved
there is nothing in the game that can be criticized
if it does not receive an 11/10 then the reviewer is biased and most likely being paid off by Microsoft
if the reviewer scored an older game and gave it a higher score than than Killzone 2 then they are also biased and being paid off
the PS3 is the cheapest console with the best games
the ps3 has sold the most consoles
the ps3 has the best exclusives
the ps3 brought my dog back to life
the media hates the PS3 because they are racist against the japanese
the media hates the PS3 because they are being paid by Microsoft
you are not allowed to make negative comments against the PS3 or any of it games
game and console numbers given out by the media that dont put the PS3 on top are invalid and suspect
anyone who comments in forums who denies any of the above will be attacked and will be given disagrees
so in the end let me just remind you Killzone 2 is perfect

[hippo24]

I guarantee you the agrees are from people who thought you were serious.

I know because i was one of them lol

[marichuu]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but there's no kind of power-ups? No alt-fire? And just standard guns, machineguns, sniper and shotgun? Does it have any kind of signature weapon of some sort?

And before you flame and bash the crap out of me, I've pre-ordered the game.

[TheHater]

Killzone 2 is more base on reality more than anything. Sure the Story is base on a sci-fi theme, but if you watch the making of this game you will notice that is have more with reality. As for the weapons, I think the Bolt gun is the signature weapon for this game.

Edit: @SupaPlaya
I think the lighting gun is call the bolt gun in Killzone 2. But I may be wrong.

[SupaPlaya]

the lightning gun.

[Traveler]

The bolt gun, lightning gun, and their version of the flamethrower are all pretty damn unique in my opinion.

The "feel" of some of the more standard weapons is exceptional as well and really makes those weapons feel fresh.

[SupaPlaya]

Thanks for correcting me.

[Mariodotjpg]

..are you being serious? Finally a game is being made that is going for strict realism and all you can say is, "Where's the power-ups?"?

And if you so desire such things, then why did you pre-order it?

[peeps]

i dunno about originality tbh. original in what way? original like cod where it put in perks that give players the abilty to drop grenades out their ass when they die? i'm sorry but i hope kz is simply a solid shooter and nothing more nothing less. The FPS genre doesn't need 'originality' that imo usually turns into gimicks.

[Qbanboi]

Wait wait, didnt Killzone 1 had that 4 man/woman/half-human-half-helg hast squad?

[marichuu]

Read the 500 other posts here, they've already mentioned it :P

[Black Maverick]

Yup. there was Templer, Cpt. Lugar, Rico, and Hakha who was half Helghast.

[Socomer 1979]

that's all it is. The media has been killzowned whether they like it or not.
It hurts to be so wrong for so long. These people aren't even speaking to gamers at this point.
they are back peddling & arguing with each other.

The reviewers are obviously obsessed with themselves & have to try and shovel crap out of thier mouth
for fear of peer humiliation. Co-workers are looking at eachother for clues because they feel as useless as a a$$hole on a elbow. Cursing in a mature setting? Too much for a warzone? Oh boy are the kids gonna love this one.

They think they can contain the effects of being killzowned. After you've been killzowned, if you were a hater since 2005 you look like this numb nut trying to play the censorship moderator for a game. I bet he can't even chew his food anymore. Give this guy a straw. Ps3 gamers are doing the killzowning now suckas.

Play hard or go play a xbox.

[KoB4EMvPi]

This game does look kinda like COD4 (GAMEPLAY WISE)
but its def going to be a must buy anyways.

It doesnt really matter what these websites say.
i know im going to buy it anyways.

[IcarusOne]

There wasn't a flurry of articles about Halo or Gears exclaiming the exact same sh!t? Gimme a break. You brought this on yourselves by jerking off all over this game.

Fanboys beget hate and ignorance.

[GarandShooter]

'You brought this on yourselves...'

Utter stupidity. There is no way in hell fan hype should affect a member of the media. If it does, that person is the biggest fanboy of all.

And so there is no confusion, I am only commenting on your reply, not the article.

[IQUITN4G]

My biggest gripe with Killzone2 is that there just isn't enough swearing.This is after all exactly what gamers want want from their games - sarcasm

Some of you Sony teens could argue that war is going to have guys swearing while they fight for they're lives and that's fine.When you're playing a game however or watching a movie say, excessive use of the word just isn't classy.The only thing it makes you think is how terrible the people are in charge of writing this stuff.Duff

[pwnsause]

uh, no. no one's complaining about swearing. you missed the point.

[macalatus]

@adro,

Yes, I agree with you about swearing! Also, having someone's head blown-off by a .50 cal sniper rifle ISN'T classy in a videogame as it is too vulgar, though it happens in real life. War-themed videogames should also start incorporating more Barney songs and a litte more Mr. Rogers look-alikes in order to get a perfect 10, AAA reviews!!

So, yeah, I totally agree with you!

[Magic_The_Celt]

One thing that keeps coming up is "co-op"

which i dont get, man who cares about co-op? it only ever works right if the game is co-op first based

infact the only game i've got that uses co-op any good is Left 4 Dead

[Joni-Ice]

Change the name to Halo or Gears of War and make it a 360 exclusive. (Sarcasm)..Killzone 2 is GREAT the way it is. BTW, Gears did not start the four man squad. I can remember games like Rainbow six even Killzone 1 having a four man squad. Instead of making this dumbass article, go make one with the title, Why GTV4 DO NOT deserve game of the year, or Why Halo 3 did not deserve all those perfect reviews it was given. Killzone 2 is Awesome.

[IQUITN4G]

Plenty on here will be thinking the point raised by this article is wrong so it's worth mentioning

How many would enjoy a film like Starwars for example if it featured such terrible dialog as this.Swearing like how it's used in Killzone2 is really naff

[Socomer 1979]

what's the matter? Are you afraid to run killzone because your parents might hear it?
grow up!
killzone 2 is mature.

If you keep believing what you read you'll be misinformed.
Are you a dog? Do you have a leash on your collar?
Are reviewers you're master? I hope not. Be your own man.
Don't be so weak minded. There's plenty of those on n4g already.

[ottoenie]

like it isn't already!

[Yomiro]

Love this one from another reviewer
it's obvious from the outset that Guerrilla Games never intended for its sequel to reinvent the FPS wheel.

However, considering the worth of a lengthy campaign offering genuine challenge, thrilling local multiplayer with A.I. bots, and a layered online multiplayer component that's likely to be PSN's main point of attraction for the foreseeable future, it's clear Killzone 2 has taken the ever-so popular wheel, slapped a gorgeous chrome rim on it, drastically reduced its tyre profile, and applied a sense of balance never before felt on a wheel. Why then would anyone want to reinvent the wheel when the damn wheel never looked so good or rolled so well?

[maverick1191]

what you mean would have been perfect it is perfect because its got great review scores and its only on ps3 stick with finding a game in gears of war 2 xbots

[jaybdemented]

Killzone 2 Would've Been Perfect if it was judged as a game itself and not all the hype around it. judged on what it has and not on what it doesn't.

[IQUITN4G]

Yes you got me.I'm mid thirties and live with my ma and pa.Iv'e lived an experienced enough life so far to know that iv'e grown up a substantial amount already - if you really don't think this issue raised is indeed an issue at all then your are the one that needs to grow up some

Actually i'd already made my mind up when i watched a ton of videos of the glorious Killzone2.They perfectly show the wonderful gritty gorgeous graphic style and great art design that is Killzone2, coupled with laughably bad dialog of your main buddies

Game looks very competent in most areas but quite awful regards to how this part was handled

[Yomiro]

so far most reviews don't take that into count it seems that the main complain is the lack of coop mode

[iEternal]

is what this article is.

[IQUITN4G]

What a bunch of sh!t some of you guys spout.If Killzone 2 had coop then it would hardly be seen as a negative point

Fair enough it isn't there and and will likely make an inclusion for KZ3

But to say it's not needed or it isn't a shame GG didn't include it this time, is bs

4player coop in Halo3 is an absolute blast and the idea of going through KZ2 with a friend sounds like it would have been fun also

It's fair to say some games wouldn't benefit this (Halflife2's world is really about the single player story experience for example) but KZ2 would be absolutely ideal for it

[Traveler]

I agree that co-op would have been nice, but it isn't a requirement.

Letting other FPS games--like COD4, Bioshock and Half Life 2--off the hook by making excuses for them is just lame. Either co-op is a requirement for FPSs or it is not. Killzone 2 getting marked down for not having co-op is inconsistent given that those other FPS games were not scored lower on account of their lack of co-op.

In my opinion, what Killzone 2 offers is a nice, full, and well-rounded package. Sure, co-op would have been nice, but it's not as if Killzone 2 is deficient without it.

I despise this attitude that because a feature is desirable or that because other games have had a particular feature that all other games in the same genre are suddenly required to have that feature.

Halo and Gears have co-op and that's nice, since that is what they offer and people enjoy it. However, Killzone 2 doesn't offer co-op, it offers other things and will be equally enjoyed by people.

Resistance 2 offered 60 player battles in its multi-player component, does that mean that all other shooters must now support 60 players online or be considered deficient? Gears has chainsaws and a third-person cover system and people enjoy those things, but does that mean that those features must be included in all future shooters? Of course not.

The point is, different games offer different things and should be judged solely on what they offer--is it good?, is it fun?--not on whether they are lacking a feature that you enjoyed from another game.

[grantps3]

i dont understand all the critisism its getting....it still has an average of 94/100.....and its amazing....perfect in my eyes

[The Judderman]

Agreed. Co op would have giving it even longer legs and as theres a team with you in the game it seems like a no brainer.
I dare say the visuals might have suffered a little though so i guess thats why they didn't put it in.

[jBat17]

scarface had foul language every 3 seconds? are you telling me that would not watch that movie?

this isn't a shakesperean drama. it's KILLZONE.

let face it: you would have given this a 10 if it came out of the 3fixme

[nightfallfilms]

I love to read things from all the Sony fanboys it is so funny to read your complaints. You complain about how PS3 games are picked upart by the reviewers.But since the PS3 is so much more powerful than any other console dont you think reviewers need to hold PS3 games to a higher standard then the rest of the other console games. Better console should = Way better games.

[Rythrine]

Its funny because reviewers seems to not mention that they review PS3 differently because its on a much more powerful console. You know what else is funny? All those nit-pickers always mention Gears of War2 and Halo 3 in their articles to compare KZ2 with. They just can't review it for what it is. Is it because of this "Higher Standards" that you mentioned? Don't make me laugh. That statement of yours is just as BS as this article.

[Man_of_the_year]

LOL - it took only the second post in here for someone to mention Halo or Gears...LOL - i honesty love watching the Sony Fanboys throw tantrums and cry because someone has an opinion about a game that doesn't coincide with the collective Sony Droid Mind.

The article touched on some areas that many reviewers have already stated - Shotty AI, Poor dialog and nothing that sets it apart of other FPS games other than graphics.

The game pretty much took COD 4 and "altered" a few things so that it wasn't a perfect clone.

Why oh Why do you Sony Leg Humpers always get your panties in a bunch just because people have different opinions about your over HYPED Flavor of the month games?

It's a good game!!! META has it at 93/100 THAT'S AWSOME!!! why not just get the game and enjoy it for what it is rather than bashing every reviewer for voicing their oppinions - you all seem to think that its ok to voice yours about how its the next coming of christ - so whay can't they?

[darthv72]

That phrase can be used to describe every FPS since doom. All of them from that point on (maybe even before) have been evolutionary steps up from the previous. It isnt a bad thing but I understand as most do not.

Problem is, there will never be any originality in this genre since the original. Thus the quandry. People will bag on halo or gears or resistance or timesplitters or huxley or cod or whatever FPS has been or will be released. This is due to the fact that there can only be improvements to the genre.

For something revolutionary it would need to be a totally new genre more than just a new coat of paint or control scheme. Although, if headtracking tech would come out and using 3d shutter glasses could bring a new approach to fps. Yet still it is STILL the FPS genre. Go figure.

Killzone 2 is the best thing now. No doubt about it but it will be surpassed by the next step up be it PC or console. There is always room for improvement. Graphically it is an amazing looking game. Then again...so was doom 3. Go figure it needed so much pc horsepower to render dark environments.

Oh and the knock against no KZ2 co-op is because that seemed to be the trend. Gears2, halo3, resistance 2, fable 2, and a few others. Not all fps games deserve a co-op mode but there are some that just seem like they would really fun trudging through with a buddy. This is one of them.

[kewlkat007]

the game, from the FACT, that no game is really PERFECT.

Maybe Perfect for you but not everyone. Just as reviews or a significant other, to somebody.

Crysis wipes the Floor, in Graphics the game is already behind.

[Counter_ACT]

LOL Halo was not the first FPS to use vehicles.

[Excuseme]

Loads of people state: forget about the reviews, play the game, don't care about what marks KZ2 gets, why get upset, the game gets good marks etc.

I believe loads of people do get upset by this, including myself, because of the fact that when a gamecompany has put their heart and soul into making a game that will make us very happy gamers for a long time, This should be appreciated and encouraged by gamers & journalist in general.

if KZ2 does not get the fair reviews it deserves, how then will other gamedevelopers be forced to raise the bar aswell so we get to enjoy more of these gem's? Clearly not by reading silly articles as these.

[2FootYard]

This game could've been perfect if Sony fanboys didn't ruin it.

[kingme71]

The author's main statement is that the game is not great, simply good because it doesn't revolutionize in numerous areas.

I think it's a fair assessment to say that a majority of the FPS's have similar palettes, similar gun types, similar vehicles, similar scenery, yada yada, but to pick KZ 2 apart because of it, you would have to go back to all its predecessors and make the same nit picks against them. GG never said they were going to recreate the genre, they only set out to make KZ 2 look and play great.

[Socomer 1979]

just make my FPS more REAL !
thank you KILLZONE 2!

[hippo24]

So Killzone is more amazing then ANY shooter ever made or conceived in the past few years.

Even though you haven't played it...

Hay I have an Idea tell the guy who PLAYED the game hes wrong.
Seriously, where do you get off.

[iiprotocolii]

"lol. This has to be the most pathetic attempt at journalism. Your points are not only ridiculously ignorant, but fail in whatever you're trying to say. Let's get something straight before perpetually "comparing" Gears of War 2, Half-Life and Killzone 2. How can Killzone 2 rip anything off of Gears of War when *everything* in Gears had been done before? Cover system? Check. Four-man party? Check. Lack of weapons? Check.
You're making seem as if Gears of War innovated anything new. It shows the lack of gaming experience you have when you sit there and compare Killzone 2 to something like Gears of War.

The cover system was done way before Gears of War. Let's get that out of the way first. How did KZ2 take from it when it's a first-person-shooter and the first in the FPS genre to implement such a system? Two different games with two different styles. You fail.

Lack of weapons? In a fictional game that's trying to implement the feeling of war, the developer is bound to try their hardest to give it a "natural" feel. You think, such as in Quake or Doom, that a person in war is able to carry, let's say, nine different kinds of weapons? Most which become remotely useless? Guerilla games did the smart things by keeping weapons realistically minimal to balance out their usage. To give a game like KZ2 weapons like mini-nukes, shields, etc. would be defying its unique perspective on war. And by the way, again, F.E.A.R. was *not* the first game to use the cover system it uses. PC FPS games have been using it for decades. You fail, again.

Helghast and Combine comparison? lol. Pretty funny you mention that being that the first Killzone was released before Half-Life 2. Wow. Bother doing some research? Is it coincidence? I bet it is. Both games were released in the same month which gives a clear indication that Killzone didn't bite off of HL2. Again, you're an idiot and you fail... miserably.

I'm I writing this because I'm upset at KZ2 attacks? Nope. I am writing this because of ignorant writing. Your points are just lacking in every way and by constantly comparing game A to game B, you're only making yourself look like a less credible source. Judge the game individually rather than bringing up other to compare it with.

The thing I hate about writers like you is that, as gamers, you bleed fanboyism. Instead of judging the game solely on its gameplay, graphics, and its innovations, you compare it to mediocre games such as Halo 3 and Gears of War (yes mediocre. There are FAR better games on all platforms that outshine them both. Marketing works wonders). It's obvious you're a big supporter of the 360 and that's fine. But don't sit there and compare a game that has, obviously, broken barriers in its genre and is, I am guaranteeing, much better than them both. Your points lack research and only proves that journalism like this is just kicking the gaming community in the nuts. You're a definitive douche and you, in all honesty, need to learn to stop sounding to pro-whatever you like. It's people like you that are etching the egregious views of how the media views gaming journalists. Sorry, dude, but this article fails."

What a douche.

[dash--]

If they ain't hating then u ain't doing something right. Killzone 2 must be doing everything right.

[smurfie4]

I have a suspicion that the only thing keeping it from perfection is lack of an "xbox360 only" logo. <_< No need to sugar coat anything.

[zainkool]

I'm saying this last time its a great game and people trying to take away from what Guerrilla games achieved.

[mcm]

Let the sales numbers do the talking. I haven't played a FPS since Halo (Halo 2 bought ans still in the wrapper) but I will play this on day one. I enjoyed the story in the first game. I actually like the more realistic and gritty look compared to Halo's Sci-fi colorful artistic look, although Halo was the better game last-gen. Well that was the past and this is now. Enough said.

[Figboy]

what's the point of complaining about what Killzone 2 COULD HAVE been, and celebrate what it IS - a beautiful, atmospheric, intense, if a bit by the numbers Sci Fi FPS.

speaking of being by the numbers - if you've just spent $50 MILLION on a project, how risky do want to make it? how many chances do you want to take with your 50 million dollar investment?

i know a company who spent $150 MILLION dollars on a risky investment. and FAILED.
that company was Squaresoft, and that $150 million dollar endevour was Final Fantasty: The Spirits Within, a movie that bombed in the box office when "diehard" Squaresoft fans failed to support it because it was "too different" from the Final Fantasy mythos, and what audiences EXPECTED it to be.

Killzone 2 is only by the numbers in the fact that, yes, it's an FPS. what it's OFFERING within the confines of that FPS genre are NOT "by the numbers."

the cover system is wholly unique and new to the FPS genre (as far as i know)
the level of graphics on display here is far beyond ANY FPS on consoles to date. NO ARGUMENTS there. that's not subjective opinion, it's simply FACT. the visuals are second to NONE, and it's doing things that no other FPS on consoles has done with the technology.
the battles may be standard fare, but how varied and wild do you expect WARFARE to be? what is this amazingly varied and fresh take on warfare that apparently games like Call of Duty, Gears of War, and Halo 3 EXCEL AT.

it's not even fair putting Gears of War and Halo in that equation, truth told, because they are SO very far from realistic warfare like COD and Killzone.

if you've EVER followed a real life war campaign, you will see that, for the most part, they are exactly the same. you have two sides of obviously conflicting goals attempting to beat each other. there is advances, withdrawals, ambushes, assaults on strongholds, defenses of strongholds, etc. those have been in FPS games since practically the BEGINNING.

Half Life was one of the few FPS titles to actually CHANGE things by one, setting the series in a more grounded scenario (ie, it's not so much about humans battling an alien force, or other humans, but a regular guy, scientist Gordon Freeman, caught up in an extraordinary situation, and forced to survive). every other FPS from Wolfenstein to Medal of Honor, to Halo, Resistance, Gears of War, COD,and Killzone, have gone the traditional "Us vs Them" take on FPS gaming.

why ONE game is suddenly "generic" or "by the numbers" and others doing the EXACT SAME THING are not held accountable is beyond me.

how ONE game gets pegged for lack of Co-op, while another with the EXACT issue gets a pass, is beyond me.

how ONE game gets pegged for a rather healthy game length (8-10 hours), and another, with practically HALF of that game time gets a pass, is beyond me.

the double standards and nit-picking that tears apart EVERY Playstation 3 exclusive is sickening.

i think i can say that us Playstation fans don't care if reviewers criticize PS3 exclusives, that's expected and welcomed. BUT, when they start to arbitrarily nitpick things on PS3 exclusives, while letting them slide on ANOTHER console's exclusives, or other 3rd party games in general (like COD4), then we get irritated.

we want our games to get graded with the same curve as the other guys, and so far, for nearly 3 years now, we haven't gotten that.

go to sites like ign and 1up.com, and read their reviews of games like Gears of War, Fable 2, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Halo 3, Ninja Gaiden 2, and other prominent 360 exclusives. pay particular attention to the COMPLAINTS they give the games (ie, Dan Tsu absolutely RIPPING into Gears of War buggy multi-player and terrible framerate), and the score they give the game(Gears STILL got a perfect score from him).

then, on those same sites, read their reviews of games like Resistance (1 and 2), Heavenly Sword, Folklore, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank Future, and SOCOM: Confrontation. pay particular attention to the COMPLAINTS (ie, the massive complaints about SOCOM's initially broken, laggy MP that got fixed shortly after launch), and the score they gave the game (they DOCKED points for the poor online service, as they SHOULD HAVE, but they didn't apply that same docking of points logic to OTHER games with similar, and often WORSE issues -ie, Gears of War 2's major issues with MP).

to deny that there is bias in the gaming media, is as foolish as arguing that governments can't be corrupt, or that the news media (ie, FOX News), are able to properly cover world events with any integrity and honesty.

this generation has shown that the gaming media is only human, and far from perfect. it has shown that there is bias, backdoor shenanigans at the hands of companies like Microsoft, Sony, EA, Activision, Eidos, Ubisoft, etc. but worse still, this generation has shown us that many a gamer will WILLINGLY put up with this crap, and for an extended period of time, before finally fighting back, or just rolling over and taking it (ie, the millions of people who have simply "accepted" the hardware issues of the 360, willing buying MORE units to replace their broken one, instead of taking Microsoft to task for it).

there needs to be a complete FLUSHING and reworking of the modern gaming media. it's been infiltrated by too many fanboys from ALL SIDES, and we simply can't trust or rely on them like we used to.

they are a BUSINESS, at the end of the day, and that business must turn a profit. if being flaming fanboys and all around gits generates revenue for them, they will continue to ride that pony until it dies from exhaustion.

the irony, is that us fans. the people that genuinely LOVE gaming on our PS3s and 360s, are the ones fueling this fire. allowing ourselves to be manipulated by stories like the one for this site (which i refused to click on the link). the more both sides react to stories like this (the haters and the supporters), the more stories like this we will see.

even if all 3 consoles happened to sell 100 million units each, with libraries of great games, these stories would still exist, because fanboys everywhere can't be satiated. even when they're RIGHT (ie, Killzone 2 being awesome, instead of the flop the OTHER fanboys were so sure it would be), it's not enough. they want MORE. neither side wants to admit when they are wrong. it's what fanboys do.

unfortunately, we have fanboys in the media like these asswipes, who can't even man up and admit that Killzone 2 delivered, despite all the proclamations by the doubting press that, "it won't look like the CG trailer," "ok, so it looks like the CG trailer, but it can't possibly have good GAMEPLAY - Killzone 1, amiright? huh? Huh?" then, "well, it PLAYS awesome, but the multi-player is bound to suck," then, "well, the multi-player is even better than COD4 (personally, i DO think the MP is better than COD4, having been in the KZ2 beta. i was addicted, and i'm not a big MP fan), but, um, er, the graphi- no, well, um, the gamepl- no, well, uh, it's GRAY! yeah, that's it, and, um, it's not innovative enough! and, um, it's GRAY! and, well, er, it's not like COD4 or Gears! just SAYING that implies it must somehow be inferior, then we can deny it later on when called for our BS, because we never actually SAID it sucked, just that it wasn't like COD or Gears, and the fanboys RAN with the implications and did our work FOR us! BONUS! HIGH FIVE! WE WIN, ONE TO NOTHIN!"

*sigh* anyway, i digress. this article is a fail, and if the PS3 doesn't have a library where EVERY game is new, fresh, and innovative, we'll have any jackass with a blog reminding us of it's shortcomings until the NEXT round of consoles, when the hate starts all over again - am i the ONLY one that's noticed that EVERY Playstation gaming device has been met with ridicule and disdain? the PS1 was hated on for trying to get in on Nintendo and Sega's territory. the PS2 was hated on for being difficult to develop for, an over-glorified DVD player, and too expensive. the PSP was hated on for daring to try and get in Nintendo's handheld territory. and we ALL know why the PS3 has been hated on, so no need to reiterate here.

i find it interesting, and i fell sorry for the PS4. i'm about 98% certain that the media will find SOMETHING to hate on it about, and the gaming masses will latch onto it, and it will have to prove itself again, despite the fact that it will probably ultimately DELIVER, just like it's four older brothers (PS1, PS2, PSP, and PS3).

it's actually kind of sad and pathetic, when you think about it. Sony simply can't win, even when they DO. not that i feel sorry for the CORPORATION, mind you, but for the fans like me that have been raked through the coals since "The Playstation 3 will cost $499 and $599" was uttered at E3 2006, and have been struggling to enjoy their console and it's games in peace ever since.

[hippo24]

wow did you somehow get a lobotomy AND Killzone 2 last knight because that's the only reason for posting such large defense for it(comedic).

Save you words for when we KNOW its awesome rather then when we speculate(and I have a feeling will KNOW very soon)

Otherwise you make some valid points,even though it took me a good 5min to read.

[Figboy]

because i'm tired of all the "pre-sniping" articles that are constantly lurking around PS3 exclusives, when we NEVER see anything like that for the other consoles.

no, "How Halo 3 would've been perfect"
no, "How Gears of War 1/2 would've been perfect"
no, "How Fable 2 would've been perfect"

but i REALLY defend the game because, well, it IS awesome. i spent a good 3 weeks with the KZ2 beta, and the multi-player was FANTASTIC.

since i'm one of the few people who actually PLAYED through Killzone 1, and Killzone: Liberation, i can attest that the single player campaigns of BOTH were rather good. from what i've seen of the KZ2 single player, and from the various impressions i've read from people who have played the single player, it looks to be BETTER than the single player campaigns of the first two titles.

it's not really that hard to extrapolate a games quality when SO MANY people have such positive things to say for it.

are you quick to take peoples word that Gears of War, or Metal Gear Solid 4, or Mass Effect, or Bioshock are good games?

at this point, with plenty of opinions about Killzone 2 being so positive, i think it's time to retire the "well, how does it PLAY" defense many doubters have been spewing about the game.

i mean, i don't put much stock in reviews, because it's just ONE person's subjective opinion, but looking at how EVERY SINGLE ONE of the news sites covering Killzone 2 since that target render at E3 2005 (i was AT that E3, and i got to see that unveiling in person), don't you think, if the game was as sh*tty as they've been TELLING us it would be for 4 years, they'd be having a FIELD DAY with their reviews?

all they can do is pre-snipe, nitpick, and point out flaws that are in every other game in it's genre, of it's particular type (realistic warfare). they don't have any LEGITIMATE complaints about the package that Killzone 2 IS, so they have to point out what it LACKS in order to release some of that humble pie they were forced to eat when Killzone 2 delivered not only on it's VISUAL promises (which were, even to me, seemingly insurmountable), to it's GAMEPLAY promises (again, anyone that played the original Killzone would know that the campaign was solid, with some technical issues due to the PS2, not Guerrilla's talent and ambition).

i mean, you can easily attack a game's narrative, because a good story is subjective.

Gears has a poor story. Halo has a mediocre story. Resistance's story is good, but nothing too noteworthy.

you can easily attack a game for NOT having a feature that's been confirmed to NOT be there for a long time.

Hey, Bioshock, and Mass Effect don't have co-op or multi-player. let's arbitrarily subtract points. oh, no, i don't think i will, because it fits whatever AGENDA i have.

Hey, Uncharted and Heavenly Sword don't have co-op or multi-player. let's arbitrarily subtract points. sure, why not? it fits whatever AGENDA i have.

Killzone 2 proved EVERYBODY WRONG (even me, and other Playstation 3 fans like me. we HOPED the game would be good, and look like the target render, but we never actually EXPECTED it to), and the haters, who STILL can't stand to give it the high scores and praise it deserve, can't help but take potshots at it. it's all the fuel they have left for their unnecessary hate.

at first it was "PS3 will be dead at launch!"
then, "PS3 will be dead in a year!"
then, "well, the graphics aren't as good as Gears of War!"
then, "well, yeah, it has graphics, but the gameplay will suck! Gameplay over graphics!"
then, "Blu Ray is going to kill the PS3 - Beta-ray FTL! HAW HAW!"
then, "the PS3 is losing ALL of it's exclusives!"
then, "so WHAT if it's coming to the PS3, it's coming a year later!"
then, "so what if it's coming day and date, the 360 version will have Achievements!"
then, "so what if it has Trophies, multi-plats are ALWAYS better on the 360!"
then, "so what if it has all these games in 2009, the system is STILL too expensive!"
then, "so WHAT if Killzone 2 has graphics, the gameplay must SUCK!"
then, "so what if the gameplay is awesome, it doesn't have split screen, or co-op, and there are some textures that aren't perfect!"

the fuel is dying out, and what the haters can't stand more than the Playstation 3 actually DELIVERING on it's promises (for the record, the 360 has delivered on it's promises too, outside of hardware failure, but the 360 never had such grand proclamations about it's performance. i'll give the "Lucid Dream" comments from Peter Moore a pass - they were too ridiculous for ANYONE to take seriously), is the fact that they are, as much as they deny it, WANTING a Playstation 3. and when they break down and buy it, instead of acknowledging their hypocrisy for trashing a console they never gave a shot, they try and deflect, "well, i'm a GAMER, and if it has the games, i'll play it." news flash, the PS3 has had quality games since year ONE, but a wave of hate that should have been pointed towards Sony, were pointed towards the hard-working game developers who produced some good games that simply got RAPED because of that hate (ie, Folklore, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, etc - excellent games that people sh*t on. even Uncharted didn't make it through unscathed, and that was hands down the BEST PS3 game of 2007 - well, in my opinion, that is. and opinion ISN'T fact).

[shawnsl65]

if KZ2's DLC (or kz3) has 4 player co-op and 20 hours of game play (well the new Haze function has 4 player co-op 2 player split screen + LAN/online). that would be sooo sweeeeeeet.

4player Co-op exp: http://www.gametrailers.com...

KZ2's AI: http://www.gametrailers.com...

I like this quote from one of the user.. "haha the AI is smarter than those stupid complainers."

[Ghyst]

Why are so many stupid articles popular, please enable mods that can delete garbage like this... have to look at it for a whole day, lame.

[cmrbe]

Just make it a x360 exclusive.

[Amplitude]

lmfao.

"disembowel them in full hi-res 720p glory? "

I love how 360 guys consider 720p to be the best a game console can do, ignoring the fact that Killzone 2 is native 1080i.

"One thing Killzone 2 does blatantly take from Gears of War is the four man squad"

I also love how everything rips off Gears and Halo to them.

The first paragraph after the whole "Vanilla with that" thing was 100% useless and didn't make sence.

To show more of their ways of "ripping off" other games in coparisons, lets find'em all in this post, shall we!?

"When Operation Flashpoint was released for the PC, it garnered away one accolade from Halo: The first FPS to use vehicles"

"Now, I’m not going to insult Killzone 2 for having a jeep with a turret like Halo’s Warthog because you don’t actually pilot it."

"Also, I don’t hate Killzone 2 for ripping off something from Gears of War."

"One thing Killzone 2 does blatantly take from Gears of War is the four man squad"

"maybe even more awards than it’s closest graphical competitor Crysis. But one thing that can’t be forgiven is the color palette."

STOP COMPARING 2 COMPLETELY SEPARATE GAMES!

"That last line was all I could hear on reaching mission 3. Everything else was just noise."

Holy crap... Well, maybe if you would get a decent 7.1 receiver that can decode HD audio codecs - which your 360 does not even have the ability to output - then you would be able to actually hear things. My god... And, if there is THAT much swearing, then im not going to back that up. I am not a total Killzone 2 fanboy, but i hate seeing neative articles towards it from 360 fanboys.
And honestly, it's Killzone... Were you really expecting a colorful magical world of glowing lights and teddy bears on planet Helghan?

That's all. Thanks.

[Bits-N-Kibbles]

The first statement of four of a kind taken from gears is Bullsh*t. If they played the original Killzone they would F'ing realize that it is the way it was set up in the original as well. Though it may not be anything new, there is no reason to compare gears. I'm tired of people saying they took ideas from competing 360 games. Damn media needs to STFU for a while about Killzone 2. What has been said or needed to be said is said, the rest is BS.

[macalatus]

Why?

Because it's so damn funny!

Reason #1: More weapon variety!
Expect this guy to cry and whine that the next COD: MODERN Warfare 2 didn't have Star Wars-style laser blaster and lightsabers.

Reason #2: The four-Squad!
Expect this guy to cry and whine that the next Brothers in Arms (the series came before Gears) have a four or more people in a squad.

Reason #3: The color palette!
Expect this guy to cry and whine that game actually RECREATED the color of a modern battlefield (i.e, Iraq and Afghanistan) and not as "bright and epilepsy-inducing colors" as Halo.

Reason #4: The guy is making an arse out of himself!! LOL LOL LOL!!

[zeph94]

Someone tell me, did killzone one come out before half-life 2?

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Half-life 2: November 16th, 2004

Killzone: November 2nd, 2004

Haha...technically...neither of them could have copied from the other.

[Cyrax_87]

...yes, yes it did. Only by two weeks but still, both games were in developement at the same time, who ever wrote this article is an idiot.

[yanikins111]

fail

[rimbreaker]

i felt like that was a good article :X it brought up things that are exactly what i dont want to invest in and so i wont be buying kz2 :)

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

It would've been much better, had it been developed for the 360's superior architecture...

...haha

Did I just say that?

[Firstkn1ghT]

Looks like we need more tissues to pass around here.

[PotNoodle]

"One thing Killzone 2 does blatantly take from Gears of War is the four man squad"

I couldn't help but laugh.

Gears of war:
The inventor of the cover system, 4 man squads, etc etc

.. Seriously, when is the gaming media going to grow up.

[tonywood]

Killzone 2 is shaping up to be one of the greatest FPS of all time. And YES...I played both BETA builds of the game. A lot of us should have access to the online BETA on the 4th or 5th, which will put this ridiculous article to shame.

I won't waste time comparing K2 to other shooters, thus calling out the superfans. However, I will just smile at all of the great reviews, even as the game pro's STILL try to hate. (Knowing damn well that they love this game) I really don't care what people have to say...K2 is the truth! I have no desire to trash other companies, as it is not cool to see people lose jobs...However, Sony is beginning it's onslaught with Killzone 2. Price cuts, along with other great exclusive, (and blu-ray) will destroy the competition. it doesn't matter if MICHAEL PATCHER, THE OFFICIAL XBOX MAGAZINE, IGN UK, OR GAMESPOT LIKES IT OR NOT!!!

[Karum]

GG could have added a control scheme for mouse & keyboard and to combat the disadvantage those without a keyboard & mouse would suffer when in games with people using keyboard & mouse (as we all know thats ore accurate than a control pad) the owner of the game could add the option to allow the use of keyboard & mouse and people entering criteria for matchmaking or w/e could exclude games that allow keyboard & mouse.

There's an absolute ton of people who play console FPS that would prefer keyboard & mouse over contol pad and there's probably even more that refuse to play console FPS because of the lack of that control scheme (think hardcore CS players and the like). It would have the potential to bring in almost a whole new audience. I mean what FPS lover wouldn't want to play a game that looks so good, plays so smoothly, offers clan support and can be controlled any way they want? I think it would have potential to shift more games and maybe even more consoles, how many is hard to say but the potential expansion of the audience/fanbase just by adding another kind of control scheme to me seems worth it.

Just a thought I'd been having recently.

[shawnsl65]

i totally agree with you. i played CS since the days when bunny hop was still alive. lots of my friends would've jumped on the ps3 if kz2 had keyboard and mouse support since they're hardcore pc fanatics. Who knows, maybe someone will mod a keyboard support program later on for it or devs will start to realize the keyboard + mouse potential in the future. Maybe next gen will have it.

[DFresh]

If it had co op it would've been a bonus.
But from what I'm seeing it's already a master piece and perfect in my eyes as a great exclusive game for the PS3.

[christian hour]

The guy wrote this to enrage people and get massive hits for the site. And it's definitely worked. All his points are a bit retarded. I'm done reading anymore on killzone 2 until it is released. Then i'll decide for myself if I like it or not. Until then I'll just keep playing all the other great games that are already out for the ps3/360.