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Game Devs Are Reportedly "Baffled" By Microsoft

Game companies are reportedly "baffled" by Microsoft's multiplatform strategy, and they are reluctant to develop games for Xbox consoles.

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italiangamer42d ago

Ironically what killed the xbox brand was the Activision's acquisition, in hindsight if that was blocked it would have let the brand survive a little bit more. Oh well 🙉.

Aloymetal42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

''Ironically what killed the xbox brand was the Activision's acquisition''
Actually the green brand was killed the moment they entered the gaming space, MS and their fanbase didn't know it but if you look at their tracking record there's never been a war as so many love to call.
First time in market (PS1: total sales102mil)
First time in the market (Original xbox: total sales 24mil)-----( PS2 total sales 160mil)
360 total sales 85mil----PS3 total sales 87mil This right here is a battle not a ''war'' and only because MS decided to rush and show up 1 year+ early to the battlefield.
Xbone total sales 58mil----PS4 total sales 117mil
Series S/X total sales as of now 31mil----PS5 total sales 75mil
So I'm having a hard time seeing this so called ''war''
Next gen will be a rinse n repeat.

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fr0sty42d ago

Making billions selling games and services on multiple platforms, not on selling hardware.

jukins42d ago

Making billions and making billions in profit are two different things. I guess if you want to take microsoft as a whole they make profit but xbox doesn't. It generates revenue but just in 5 years they've spent 100 billion in acquisitions. Dont think they've even generated 100b in 5 years with xbox let alone profit.

Reaper22_42d ago

See what you don't realize is consoles sales are only a small part of the industry.Microsoft launching 360 early was n the right call for them. I think paid off big time. They sold millions of consoles and beat ps3 in the biggest market for pretty much the entire generation. They got what they wanted which was to establish xbox as a recognized bran. There is no way in hell they were going to beat an established brand like playstation in hardware. But look where we are now. They are selling games on all platforms and reaping the rewards financially. They are one of if not the biggest publishers the industry has. They've made some bad calls and some good ones as well. However, they are in a great place right now. ABK acquisition is done.Gamepass is doing well. Their published games are doing really good numbers. A next gen console and handheld gaming device is coming. Big releases like Fable, Perfect Dark, Gears and SOD are coming. Lots to look foward too.

LightofDarkness42d ago

MS have been toxic for every industry they’ve made a foothold in. The 360 was a miraculous success but they simply couldn’t help themselves in the end with Kinect etc. I was a fan in the 360 days, but they showed their true colors a long time ago. I hope devs move away from them in their droves, couldn’t happen to a better company.

UltimateOwnage42d ago

I notice you left out Wii vs. PS3 / 360, Switch vs. PS4 / XBO. Comparing to Nintendo, the war was always Microsoft in a distant 3rd. Nintendo’s family catered audience doesn’t make them any less a valid industry contender.

anast42d ago

When you put it like that, Iol, it's got to be embarrassing for Xbox.

Profchaos42d ago

I agree but disagree if you consider Sega mega drive vs SNES a console war then you have to consider the PS3 vs 360 one to

OmegaSoldati42d ago

There wont be next gen like we had until now. Atari is gone, Sega is gone and now Xbox will leave the console market. Remember the leaks? Best case scenario is that they will launch one last disc less console. They even have a deal with the new Asus handheld pc portable. You will see Sony abuse their customers, Microsoft tried to do that early with the Xbox One, Playstation is already doing it. I mean people pay to play online on consoles that sometimes are not even using Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo servers, they are just a bridge and charge for it and that just the surface of the problem, lets not talk about remasters, remakes, remasters, remakes and more remasters.

Also more users doesn't mean more profit, you need to calculate how much each player spent and the if the console was sold at a loss. Xbox players spends more money with games and services than Sony players, sure Sony is the big one and they deserve it, but profit margins are better in Nintendo for an example. You are flexing on Xbox fans now, but tomorrow you will see how this ends. Its not a war, look at Microsoft value they would buy Sony if FTC allowed. The future id not looking good for now.

S2Killinit41d ago

They have not make 82 Billion, even in revenue, in all 4 generations of being in the game industry combined. Let alone profits.

AuraAbjure40d ago

@Reaper22 Yeah! Goo Xbox! The premium online gaming experience 🙂

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DodoDojo42d ago

Bull, they were going out way before they bought Activision.

Lightning7742d ago

@Jukins huh? No there earning call early 2024 showed with out ABK they were operating in the Red or flatlined. Cod rakes in allot of money albeit small growth in GP.

I think you're just makin up stuff. Which I don't like.

Pyrofire9541d ago

seriously, they were doing friendly fire since they started making bad calls on the Xbox One then having to roll them back.

Lightning7742d ago (Edited 42d ago )

Naw that would of operated in the Red with out ABK. It was either buy ABK and go multiplat or not buy ABK and have Satya shut down xbox for good.

Satya threatened to shut down Xbox in 2021 so that resorted to buying ABK a year later.

jukins42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

They're still on the red with activison. They lost 300-500m per qtr since abk acquisition. They screwed themselves with cod on gamepass. That lost them alot of money for temporary boost in gamepass subs.

I dont think there was ever a threatened shutdown. They spent to much. They bought multiplat developers and publishers worst case they can be a 3rd party dev. Saves so much money not having to do hardware and let oems license xbox.

Pyrofire9541d ago

It was taking damage ever since they started talking about Xbox One, then spent the entire generation not making 1st party games. They almost only had Forza, Halo, and Gears. Not buying Activision wouldn't have put them in any better a situation except for the pounds of money they now need to make sure they make on the investment.

jznrpg41d ago

It was dying before that. Gamepass and acquisitions were desperation moves. They should have built studios of their own in the beginning slowly building more over the last 2 decades and focus on creativity instead of thinking they could buy their way to the top. They could have thrived along PS and Nintendo. Their focus was taking over and not being an equal. They failed miserably.

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MrDead42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

MS are completely creatively bankrupt. They couldn't create success with Xbox so they brought others success instead.

It's still unreal that they thought banning games from their biggest console market and gamers would work. I'm just glad that Xbox users don't buy games which meant multiplatform publishers remain multiplatform... for now. The industry is still at huge risk from MS's industrial consolidation, three major publishers no longer competing is such a massive negative to the industry, devs and gamers. More and more owned by fewer and fewer isn't good for anyone but the greedy piggies at the top.

Reaper22_42d ago

You dont know what the he'll you're talking about. Post where they said they were going to ban games from any console. In fact they've always stated the opposite. They must be successful because here they are talked about on the regular.

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MrDead42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

Chill out little one. Here you go:

"One that stands out the most is a February 2022 email exchange between Pete Hines, Todd Howard and other Bethesda execs questioning why Microsoft was going so hard on the idea of Call of Duty remaining multiplatform while Bethesda’s big games like Starfield and Elder Scrolls were being left Xbox exclusive.

“I’m confused,” Hines writes. “Is the below [a Microsoft statement about Call of Duty staying multiplatform] not the opposite of what we were just asked (told) to do with our own titles? What’s the difference?”

“Did anyone at Xbox think about giving us a heads-up on this? Todd’s going to DICE in a couple weeks, you don’t think a journo might find him and press him on why the below is ok for COD or any Activision Blizzard games but not TES6 or Starfield? Or at any/every future interview he does?”

While it is not shocking that Microsoft wants some of its acquired studios to produce Xbox exclusive games, the argument is not an especially good one, given that Elder Scrolls, for instance, has tens of millions of players throughout the series’ lifespan, many of whom have played on PlayStation, even if the upcoming game is not multiplayer. And if even Bethesda doesn’t understand Microsoft’s rationale here and is upset about it (as after all, as a developer you want as many people experiencing your game as possible), then why should the legal system agree with Microsoft’s reasoning?

This email joins a separate quote in a 2019 email about how Microsoft could “spend Sony out of business”

https://www.forbes.com/site...

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PanicMechanic42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

Yea Xbox is so successful because people talk about it here “more often”. Interesting metric. Reminds me of “total bullets fired” “number of players”. The hive mind thinks just like their favourite trillion dollar corporation. To anyone with a brain, yes, we can see Xbox is a failed brand and its demise is inevitable.

Microsoft gaming will continue and Ms will remain a third party publisher

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babadivad42d ago

The fall started at the end of the 360 era. When they were selling Kinnects and tons of shovelware.

The lost the plot then. In the OG and First half of the 360 era, Xbox was truly innovative.

People think the lack of imagination started at the X1 era, but it was actually the tail end of X360.

Heavy Rain was supposed to be and Xbox exclusive. They turned it down because of the subject matter. They had lost the plot by then. No one noticed because of how successful the 360 was.

They were just coasting on the early success of the system.

neutralgamer199242d ago (Edited 42d ago )

Bingo

This is where the fall started. Just look at the last 24-36 months of Xbox 360 and PS3. Software support wise it wasn't even close. Many at that time said Xbox is getting ready for next generation and gave them a pass for poor exclusices releases. We all know now that was the beginning of the downfall.

I really don't understand how you get to have MS resources yet can't compete with either playstation or Nintendo. Sad thing is now is the time we need great competition yet now is the time playstation can do whatever and get away with it. Losing the Xbox one generation was just bad because now those with all their friends and game libraries on playstation are less likely to switch to Xbox.

Their best hope is to release their next Xbox 1 year ahead of Playstation, make it much more powerful, have some great exclusives are launch. Remake some old games to be ready at launch. Could you imagine fallout 3 and new Vegas remake at launch of next Xbox only available on that one platform. But we all know Xbox has gone 3rd party and they care about selling software since that's their bread and butter

MS as a company knows how to sell software and now they will be the biggest gaming publisher. They are already seeing huge benefits of selling software on playstation when those games are generating hundreds of millions

Profchaos42d ago

It's true I switched to 360 after the PS1/2 mainly because it was so much cheaper but when the first party titles dropped off around that midgen point and Kinect came around I picked up a PS3 and never looked back

Lightning7742d ago

Satya said it himself in 2023 he would do away with exclusives. He's doing exactly that. Phil wanted to keep stuff exclusive with Bethesda and flirted the idea of COD only being on Xbox and PC. but he obviously lost that battle so you're not totally off base.

In terms of being creative. Nobody cares who's more creative than the other as long as the games are there and are good. Nobody complained with OG Xbox and especially 360 days when most of those games were third party. If the games are there who cares how it's made or who bought what. If the games are there that's literally all that matters instead pointless internet talking points or imaginary trophy and "pride" of how the games get distributed.

MrDead42d ago

Thank you for not buying games so multiplatform remained multiplatform.

"I'm just glad that Xbox users don't buy games which meant multiplatform publishers remain multiplatform"

"One that stands out the most is a February 2022 email exchange between Pete Hines, Todd Howard and other Bethesda execs questioning why Microsoft was going so hard on the idea of Call of Duty remaining multiplatform while Bethesda’s big games like Starfield and Elder Scrolls were being left Xbox exclusive.

“I’m confused,” Hines writes. “Is the below [a Microsoft statement about Call of Duty staying multiplatform] not the opposite of what we were just asked (told) to do with our own titles? What’s the difference?”

“Did anyone at Xbox think about giving us a heads-up on this? Todd’s going to DICE in a couple weeks, you don’t think a journo might find him and press him on why the below is ok for COD or any Activision Blizzard games but not TES6 or Starfield? Or at any/every future interview he does?”

While it is not shocking that Microsoft wants some of its acquired studios to produce Xbox exclusive games, the argument is not an especially good one, given that Elder Scrolls, for instance, has tens of millions of players throughout the series’ lifespan, many of whom have played on PlayStation, even if the upcoming game is not multiplayer. And if even Bethesda doesn’t understand Microsoft’s rationale here and is upset about it (as after all, as a developer you want as many people experiencing your game as possible), then why should the legal system agree with Microsoft’s reasoning?

This email joins a separate quote in a 2019 email about how Microsoft could “spend Sony out of business”

https://www.forbes.com/site...

GhostScholar41d ago

Like Sony bought insomniacs success?

MrDead41d ago

... did you just compare a studio to buying up $80 billion worth of publishers and massive industry consolidation?

I think you need to get a refund on that scholarship.

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XiNatsuDragnel42d ago

Even devs are just as confused as the audience imo

PapaBop42d ago

What's so confusing? It's all a part of the master plan by good guy Phil... if you can't create success nor buy success, you just move the goalposts and redefine what success is.. simples!

XiNatsuDragnel41d ago

Lol 😆 🤣 😂 he's a genius 🤣

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Sonyslave342d ago

I bet five he talk to some small time indie devs, who was probably saying this none of the big devs cares.

Reaper22_42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

If it even happen at all. As you can sell he used the "reportedly " in that claim. But you have to expect stuff like that. Especially here. All I know is Microsoft is putting out some good games. So they have to have something to counter that.while Sony puts out a overpriced upgraded console that can't even do a quick resume feature. Go figure🤷.

Hypertension14042d ago (Edited 42d ago )

@Reaper22_

How do you feel paying $60+ for a controller that still uses batteries, lacking basic features, and still uses tech from the 90s? Or the inferior SSD that is more expensive?

Profchaos42d ago

We see lots of Devs just flat out ignoring it like Capcom

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PlayStation Store "Mid-Year Deals" Sale Starts and Includes Titles That Don't Get Discounted Often

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Sony PS5 Era Profits Soar Past $13 Billion, Outpacing All Prior PlayStation Generations

Sony’s PS5 era has generated over $13 billion in profits, surpassing the combined earnings of PS1–PS4, with $136 billion in sales.

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lukasmain2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Their recent Playstation revenue is also more than Xbox and Switch combined, obviously in large part due to 3rd party sales.

Christopher2d ago

I mean, if Sony is keeping third parties happy, kind of feels like a winning method.

GamingExplained1011d 1h ago

I mean they have to, since they have 2 exclusives anyone cared about this generation, and those are now on PC. The rest is this creatively bankrupt string of remakes and remasters, taking advantage of the creativity of developers past efforts, and laying off teams creative side since all that work has been done already by previous teams.

By far the least creative generation ever.

lukasmain23h ago

@ Gaming-NEW-Troll account

"those are now on PC"

In that case. Xbox is Playstation's competition. MS have ZERO exclusives. ZERO. Nothing. Nada. Not a single exclusive.

Playstation has Astrobot. Demon's Souls, Astrobot Playroom, Gran Turismo 7, still not going to PC. They got Death Stranding 2 coming out in 3 days, NOT ON PC. Ghost of Yotei, not on PC.

That is 6 real exclusives MORE than Microsoft. Microsoft's Xbox is Playstation's competition. So lets compare.

I mean you brought it up.

Or does being "creatively bankrupt" not count when you have certain console exclusives going to PC years after they were released? In that case Returnal. Ratchet And Clank. Spiderman. Miles Morales. Silent Hill 2. And the list goes on

IRetrouk1d 20h ago

Kinda always been that way if you look at previous gens, exclusives are important but they aint the main revenue generator.

Reaper22_1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

.While that is impressive. Microsoft made 13 billion in one quarter. Making up facts doesn't make them true.

Mmmkay1d 18h ago

microsoft is not xbox. a bot should know that by now. you have been told this bs 1000 times on this site alone.

OlderGamer171d 16h ago

Yeah Microsoft but Xbox on the other hand.....

Aloymetal1d 15h ago

Your defense of Microsoft is only highlighting Lord Phil's and the lame MS mismanagement. Since you're talking about MS as a whole, imagine having trillions in the bank and still losing to ''tiny'' Sony PS and Ninty. It doesn't get any more lame than that.

Christopher1d 10h ago

If what Microsoft made as a whole was all that mattered, we would still have Windows Phones and Zunes. I would love to see Xbox' operating profits. Love to see it.

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thorstein1d 16h ago

I prefer Playstation over Xbox when it comes to consoles but how does this news justify their layoffs?

Shane Kim1d 16h ago

But the execs brother. You got to think about them. How could they otherwise buy yet another mansion and yacht?

raWfodog1d 15h ago

People are generally paid for the work they are doing. Layoffs generally occur when there is no work for them to do (project cancelled, business slowing down, etc). I’ve been laid off from two jobs during my 40+ years of working so I know about these things. A company is not going to just keep paying people if there is no work for them to do, no matter how much profits they made.

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MIDGETonSTILTS171d 20h ago

And this is why the game output for ps5 has been a tad slower…

1) they needed to be… games take longer to develop, and they’d burn out their teams trying to maintain the same pace as ps3.

2) they can afford to… games cost more than ever to push boundaries, so Sony had to figure out a way to match Xbox’s clever profit strategies in order to afford to continue to innovate and take risks.

lukasmain1d 15h ago

So much time was wasted on those Live Service shits. Glad they learned their lesson and have scaled that way back. Still haven't killed it, but I like it being in the background and not at the forefront

MIDGETonSTILTS171d 9h ago

Honestly, I love Helldivers 2 so much that I can forgive them for over investing in GaaS. At least they got one gem from the endeavor.

And I still dream of Factions releasing one day.

I don’t hate GaaS inherently, most are just implemented poorly.

Reaper22_1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

@ s2killinit

Thats xbox which includes other services. The playstion division also includes other services as well. Its mostly playtion but not all playstation. What's up with all the double standards around here.

Chevalier1d 17h ago

Yeah double standards like some idiots who got to talk about unrelated profits as a talking point. Wish those damn parrots could stay on topic with game related profits.

Next thing these idiots will talk about is something unrelated like Nintendo made more off the Mario movie than all of Xbox studios TV/movie endeavors combined you know?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

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Deathdeliverer1d 17h ago

@Chevalier

Mind you that’s only AFTER buying all those other companies adding them to the revenue. It was a LOT lower. This is Activision, Bethesda, and others COMBINED to get that number.

“The sales of windows professional on the other hand trounces god of war sales” 😂

Reaper22_1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

All you did was prove that you dont know what revenue is. Tencent is no.1 in profits. Buts that's ok because unlike Tencent and Microsoft, Sony isn't in it for the money, right.🤔

pwnmaster30001d 14h ago

That’s what Xbox fanboys do. They’ve been doing this since Xbox one.

They will use all of MS, one of the biggest company in the world and play it like every dollar they earn comes from Xbox just to one up PlayStation.
Is actually pretty sad.

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Chevalier1d 17h ago

"Mind you that’s only AFTER buying all those other companies adding them to the revenue. It was a LOT lower. This is Activision, Bethesda, and others COMBINED to get that number."

Guys we're off topic here you know? Can someone bring us back on topic and tell us how much revenue Xbox studios does for movies and TV? Pretty sure we should also discuss how much Nintendo stands to make at Universal studios on Nintendo land and the rides should be a hot ticket this summer.

"Ouch! hahaha no wonder reaper wanna hide behind profits made by windows XD"

Yeah idiots with some sort of inferiority complex needs to get their win somewhere though. But wait shouldn't we get back on topic guys? Like seriously how much money do you think Fallout Season 2 will bring in?!

Reaper22_1d 13h ago

Nah, reaper's not hiding behind anything. I'm just pointing out some facts. At first the narrative was Microsoft isn't going to make the money back from the ABK deal to now their profits wouldn't be as high if they didn't get the deal. This very topic is part of the reason why the deal was secured. Sony's dishonesty and reluctance to tell the truth about how much money they're making and lying about how much this deal would hurt their business. That strategy failed. They're are making a lot of money. No doubt about it and its good for the industry but don't get butthurt when Microsoft post their profits and you guys see they are also making a lot of money as well.

CrashMania1d 12h ago

@reaper.

Microsoft don't reveal Xbox profits, sales numbers, or gamepass numbers, I wonder why that is?

You call Sony dishonest but at least they don't hide and obfuscate meaningful playstation numbers like MS do with Xbox.

IRetrouk1d 12h ago

Reaper stop lol, only one company hides that info and it ain't sony....

Chevalier1d 15h ago

"All you did was prove that you dont know what revenue is."

Nah all you did was confirm you're an idiot.

Reaper22_1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

You seem to be fluent in idiocy. Not everyone speaks it. So next time speak slowly and clearly so we all can understand. Getting emotional doesn't really make you smarter. Before you post a link with info make sure you know what it says.🫡

Chevalier1d 9h ago

"Nah, reaper's not hiding behind anything. I'm just pointing out some facts"

🤡 What facts? 🤣

Please share with everyone your idiocy

What does Xbox make in revenue and profit? What are their sales? How much money does Gamepass cost them? Oh right you got ZERO numbers to post.

"Before you post a link with info make sure you know what it says."

Says the idiot who can't even tell the difference between Microsoft and Xbox? Lmao. Seriously all you're showing everyone again is how much of an uninformed parroting idiot you are.

But go ahead and post your evidence! Oh right again ZERO from a ZERO. Absolutely 💯 hilarious to see you stumble like the idiot you are.

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Npugz71d 18h ago

Only because of games prices otherwise it’s the worst generation in PlayStation history especially for games

Reaper22_1d 17h ago

Thats true. The article did mention game and prices were a reason. Its also shows their greed is no different than Microsoft. Laying off all those people but yet bragging about profits and still tried to stop ABK deal. What the hell!

MatrixxGT1d 17h ago

Closing studios, layoffs, leadership changes, PS plus increases, multiple game cancellations and delays, total flops like concord. Slowest release of first party games of any generation and they just shut down PS stars I guess because it was costing to much.
Yet they announce record profits…..the greed here is insane, MS and Nintendo too. All of them milking gamers and we just keep lapping it up like a blood hound for a meal.
Them tariffs are really hitting them hard I see.

Deathdeliverer1d 17h ago

Well a part of running a business is a tight grip on that P&L sheet. In project management. It’s a known fact that the farther into a project you go, the more costly the corrections. Having something reach the definition of done, the end of the road, and it’s hated is a monumental loss of money. As games are usually made iteratively it’s like how was this not caught and course corrected several times before this point. Sony is definitely known as trusting and allows teams to make the games they want to make. They “trust the process”. The caveat to that big budget and freedom is if it bombs, especially if it’s your first game, you’re outta there. They have shareholders/stakeholders to keep happy. Where as normally a done game like Concord would give ROI as it was out in the wild. The cost of the project is recouped and turned into profit or delivered whatever value they wanted. If the game is now NOT coming out, how do they get that money back and stay profitable? By not paying wages for that team over a course of time that would have still been on payroll working on the next potential bomb, DLC for a dead game, and essentially costing more money.
It sadly isn’t greed, it’s business. They release these great profits because 1) it’s enticing for more stakeholders to invest, and 2) Despite failures they are still balancing the books and turning record setting profits.
How many live service games died at various stages of development? They are still this profitable? Imagine if the games came out and were hits to add onto the profits?

Christopher1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

So, you're saying that over $10B of this is from $10 to $20 software price increases? Zero to do with increased market reach? Massive MTX from third-party games?

Vithar1d 17h ago

where are the "Sony is in trouble" sayers? LOL

Chevalier1d 17h ago

They're talking about Microsoft quarterly profits like any true gamer would be doing.

Aloymetal1d 15h ago

Oh, that's coming, it's a mandatory thing just wait for next gen and you'll see infinite articles from the shills and the green fanbase saying ''tHiS GeN WiL Be dIfFerEnT''

stonecold31d 7h ago

over twitter xbox fanboy you tube are saying saying sony is broke cant afford warner bros.

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