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Dragon Age veteran says Baldur’s Gate 3 probably won’t change the games industry the way we want

Dragon Age veteran Mark Darrah claims Baldur's Gate 3 won't change the game's industry as much as it should.

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Armaggedon20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

BG3 is great, but people overestimate it too greatly. Crpgs are the ones that should worry about matching it. Other genres and sub genres , not so much.

anast20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I won't change the industry because the talent isn't there. The talent is concentrated in a few companies: Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games, Larian, Kojima's team, FromSoft, CDPR, Sony Studios, and R*. Ubi has talent but their games get chopped up. This is about it. The rest peaks out at Fornite knock-offs and the occasional jank RPG without the "R".

Armaggedon20d ago

Strange perception people have. Confusion of “lack of talent” with consumer interest. Alot of games that “arent good enough”, are just people not liking what the games are doing. The problem wont be fixed until the truth of the issues are understood.

anast20d ago

It's not strange. The games aren't good enough.

Armaggedon20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Are you sure. Maybe the people saying the games arent good enough, are the ones that are actually not good enough. Not understanding enough…not patient enough….not enough insight maybe?

PapaBop19d ago

The talent is definitely there, it's the higher ups who aren't making use of their talent where the problem lays. Many of the big ones like EA and Ubi would never make something like Baldurs Gate 3 because they'd deem it too risky and generally would rather play it safe.

Further proof of the talent, look at how China are doing these days. Black Myth Wukong came out of nowhere. Phantom Blade Zero also looks absolutely insane. Then you have the rise of Korean developers like Shift Up who made Stellar Blade. The talent is definitely there but too many of the bigger companies would rather play it safe than innovate.

anast18d ago

The talent really isn't there. There are too many games released in proportion to the existing talent. The games you mentioned are good to above average.

Michiel198919d ago

what kinda weird, bullshit comment is this. There are so many studios that are amazing and produce amazing games, do you ever play a non AAA game? you have absolutely no idea about studios outside of the ones that release AAA games on sony consoles. Megacrit, Riot, Valve, Bethesda, GGG, supermassive games, atlus, dragon quest team, supergiant games, Toby Fox, Concerned Ape, Klei Games, Red Hook studios, Team Cherry, lot of the devolver digital studios, Superhot and many more that I can't think of at the moment.

anast18d ago

Team Cherry is not changing the industry (I like Hollow Knight) nor is GGG. The rest of the companies you mentioned are average at best with Bethesda falling well below the industry standard.

Michiel198918d ago

"The talent is concentrated in a few companies: Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games, Larian, Kojima's team, FromSoft, CDPR, Sony Studios, and R*" 0 respect for extremely talented devs that dont throw hundreds of millions of dollars at a game because they let themselves be bought out by Sony or any other megacorpo.

but besides that GGG changed the landscape of ARPG's completely, i know i know. you dont play them so you dont think its important, but that's irrelevant. I barely play sony games anymore cause im bored of 3rd person action games so I can make the same point that they don't impact anything, but I won't because I know that outside of the games that I play, other games exist (that are really good).
GGG changed how arpgs get developed, that you cant just get away with slapping a seasonal theme on something and calling it a day. You can notice this in almost every arpg that's come after it.

Armaggedon18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

@Michiel1989

Anast is blinded by perception. Their idea of what would pass as “talent” or a “good enough” game, is all based upon a specific taste or preference. Its causing willful dismissiveness of many other games and studios.

The thing that changes the industry is not games, but the people playing them. There can be something revolutionary that comes out, but if people dont give their energy and attention to it, guess what happens?

Armaggedon18d ago

@Anast
It’s your perception. You fail to realize that. Just because there are alot of people that think BG3 is the pinnacle does not mean they understand, or that they are correct.

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badz14919d ago

Yeah just look at Nintendo. The New MKW can easily be mistaken for MK8D but they are charging $80 for it

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Gen Urobuchi Interview: Rusty Rabbit, Madoka Magica, And The Impact Of His Legacy

We sit down with the legendary Gen Urobuchi to talk about his furry indie adventure.

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I tried the demo. It isn't a bad game.

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Baldur's Gate 3 modders want your help creating a community-made NPC for the biggest custom campaign

Upcoming custom campaign Path To Menzoberranzan is one of the most ambitious Baldur's Gate 3 mods, and now you can help create an NPC for it.

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Epic's Tim Sweeney shares first details about Unreal Engine 6

In an interview with Lex Fridman, Epic Games' Tim Sweeney shared the first details about the next version of Unreal Engine, Unreal Engine 6.

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Vits2d ago

It’s going to come packed with a bunch of flashy, buzzword-filled features that no one will actually be able to use without tanking performance. And just like every iteration of that engine before it, the excuse won’t be that it’s poorly optimized, no, it’s "forward-thinking" and the hardware just isn’t ready to keep up.

But since it saves studios from having to invest in developing their own internal engines, it’ll still end up being widely adopted across the industry.

VenomUK1d 18h ago

But will it have micro-stutters?

jznrpg1d 16h ago

PC exclusive feature

Vits1d 15h ago

But of course, even compatible with VRR, so you can really feel it.

rlow11d 14h ago

What cracks me up, is a lot of games utilize Unreal 5 and yet gaming has become more expensive. So all that BS that they shoveled out the last big reveal hasn’t translated into savings and if it has, then the industry is just plain ol’ lying.

1nsomniac1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

You mean like “going digital will bring down costs for customer dramatically. Because there will be no packaging/distribution.” Or maybe the “games going forward, will be cross-buy so you buy it once and will be able to access it across all platforms you own.” Or even the “if we increase the rrp it will mean we can get rid of micro transactions altogether.”

… I could be here all day quoting the lies from this industry.

abstractel1d 3h ago

Scope of games are way bigger than even just 10 years ago. Also keep in mind that Epic charges 5% for using their engine, Steam charges 30% just like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft's stores. That's 35% of your revenue gone. Steam infuriates me because they don't have nearly the overhead console manufacturers have but they know people are unlikely to migrate to Epic Games Store (which charges 15% instead but has a shit storefront compared to steam). I love UE5 (for the most part) and it has pushed the envelope in ways that would be too long to list here. I think UE6 will push things further and make it possible for devs who don't have Rockstar resources to make amazing games even further. Time will tell.

barom1d ago

@1nsomniac Going digital did make things cheaper though. Games are dropping in prices at much faster rate than before and you’ll find plenty of sub $10 games on sale all the time, whereas before we had to wait for “greatest hits” label. Not to mention the indies basically have a levelled playing field now.

Pyrofire9523h ago

In the same way that you make all these assumptions and judgments on the future of UE, I see you making these assumptions and disregard any opinion you hold.
I see no value.
There is nothing constructive, just ire on what was and the willingness to believe nothing will get better.
You have given up on the possibility of joy and will not find it.

Profchaos1d 17h ago

Will it have games or just more decade long projects

IanTH1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

I find this odd. How am I expected to be excited with future promises when mired by the current legacy of UE5 and its myriad of technical shortcomings that have yet to be solved, even years after release.

Of course they should be working towards the future, but talking about it while UE5 still has many unsolved issues years after it has been the de facto standard? An engine used by so many, after so many years, with the backing of a company as grossly cash-rich as Epic shouldn't have so many problems still.

And the optics - even if not the truth of the matter - is you're putting time & resources into UE6 at the expense of UE5; your current product still needs quite a lot of attention. Unless the message is "we're abandoning UE5 because it's issues are systemic, and we hope UE6 can address that mess by moving on as quickly as possible".

IanTH1d 15h ago

I was attempting to reframe my comment as I watched more of the video, but the edit timed out. So here is a nearly completely different comment lol:

The number forks/fragmentations of UE5 feels like - from a laymen's perspective - a plausible explanation for why the engine, 3 years post release, has continued to have the same problems today as it did from day 1. Sounding as if they can't really find a way to cleanly coalesce each of the seven disparate variants, it seems hopes lie with being able to do so in the years leading up to the launch of UE6.

That said, if they have so many specific versions, then it does still kind of boggle the mind why issues, like compilation stutter, are still so pervasive. Seems in this specific scenario, the fragmentation could potentially be useful for at least helping to narrow down platform specific issues/solutions.

Clearly not the case, so hopefully they can make UE6 more unified to allow for more focused, streamline engine development.

PixelOmen1d 13h ago

Compilation stutter hasn't really been much of an issue for a couple years now if the devs know what they're doing. The problem is not all the devs know what they're doing in that regard. The real problem is traversal stutter. That is nearly universal.

IanTH1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

I sort of ended up mentally putting both of those under the category of compilation stutter, which is surely too reductive. I should have just said "stuttering/fametime issues in all their incarnations". Because while there are improvements to comp stutter, even games that force you through long, even 30 minutes shader compilation stages before playing haven't managed to fully solve that issue. Heck, even consoles, with fixed hardware that can ship with pre-compiled shaders can't even seem to fully escape it.

Traversal stutter is definitely its own issue, though, and has only been exacerbated thanks to older cards being held onto longer, and companies - primarily Nvidia - opting to put 8GB VRAM buffers into cards for way the eff too long. If you don't have the top of the line CPU and high-end, overclocked RAM kits - most of the PC playing population - to help shuffle that info between system memory and the GPU, you're more screwed than most. And Nvidia could help the issue as well, if they could improve their years-long issue with high driver overhead. Freeing up any extra CPU usage, especially for those with weaker CPUs, would really benefit.

I really hope these things can have some kind of solution found for them sooner than later. As it is, it just feels like games are taking two steps forwards and two steps back a lot of the time. Improved pixel quality (world detail, lighting, etc), at the expense of degraded image clarity (softer image, heavy reliance on upscaling, increased artificing) and smoothness/performance (stuttering/poor frametimes).

And the fact this stuff occurs, when dev times are longer than they've ever been, with budgets creeping ever higher, it's that much worse to feel like a lot of experiences just aren't wins across the board. Especially as deep into this generation as we are, and with as much time as devs & engine makers have had to iron out issues. It feels like we may need to pump the brakes on the pace of research into graphics tech and rebalance towards optimization. Image clarity (native res, especially) continuing to fall further, with poor frametimes for a myriad of reasons, as the generation goes on doesn't feel the best.

PixelOmen1d 11h ago

I'm not just talking about shader compilation stages. There are games like Expedition 33 that barely have any pre-compilation stages (in the background on the main menu) and have almost zero comp stutter. It has to do with the way you use shaders and make your materials. It still has some small traversal stutter though.

Noskypeno1d 14h ago

It feels too soon to talk about UE6. It feels like UE5 barely got tapped, only a handfull of games really showed its potential.

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