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NVIDIA DLSS 4 vs DLSS 3 Image Quality Compared: Years Ahead of AMD FSR 3 & Sony PSSR

NVIDIA announced DLSS 4 alongside the GeForce RTX 50 series “Blackwell” GPUs at CES earlier this month. Multi Frame Generation (MFG) is exclusive to the RTX 5090 and its siblings, but improved upscaling is coming to all RTX GPUs. The shift from a CNN to a Transformer-based neural network delivers sharper images, retaining more detail.

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Goodguy01107d ago

Nvidia is simply just too unmatched when it comes to the gpu and ai upscaling, no competition and why they're able to price their cards so high unfortunately.

ZycoFox107d ago

Too bad their new GPUs are basically near a refresh of the previous gen but still far ahead, a used 4090 (at the right price) is looking good right now.

Or just go new with the upcoming gen.. only problem is the gap between the 5080 and 5090, 5090 isn't massively better (decent, about 30% better) than the 4090 and costs a lot more, the 5080 is still going to be behind the 4090, not as much VRAM but maybe 10-15% behind.. not terrible but not great either.

Maybe next gen will be the push for more performance, instead of using these fake frames that only make the visible frame rate higher but not better latency... I suspect this will be a thing on next console marketing (high FPS) but fail to mention the latency to trick the non-technical minded.

DivineHand125105d ago

Blame the manufacturing process. They couldn't have made much better improvements because both the RTX 4090 and 5090 are 5nm chips. The next generation should provide a more significant improvement when manufacturers are able to shrink the transistors further.

The 50 series isn't a big letdown and shouldn't be downplayed too much. People moving from 30 series or lower will see a significant improvement in all aspects.

Tapani105d ago (Edited 105d ago )

The 4090 is awesome! Strangely, more expensive today than when it launched. 5090 has pretty much the same performance using the same watts, because it can't feed the extra cores with 450W. 600W GPU is a bit too much for me, although I guess I could go for a max 1000W PSU. Just not very comfortable with that kind of GPUs transient spikes, apparently they go up to 901W according to TechpowerUp review.

That leaves 99W for the rest of the system + the CPU would also have transient spikes, so you need a 1250W PSU to feel comfortable. Where I live, that is the max you can draw from the wall and one would not be able to use extension cables due to safety issues, so I'm happy to wait for the 6090 on a better node and wish it would be max 500W.

porkChop107d ago

Yup. Their GPUs are just better, their tech is better, their software is miles ahead. Unfortunately AMD pretty much gave up trying to really compete which is why I'll never buy them again. Intel is offering really great value and performance in the lower end though, so I'm hoping as their architecture and software matures they can really take the fight to the high end.

I'd love to support another GPU brand but I'd have to give up DLSS, RTX Remix, PhysX support for my older games, and a ton of RTX support in games. They need to have something equally as useful/beneficial to offer consumers.

mkis007107d ago

Well it came out literally years before pssr. IDK amd's excuse for fsr. This is also the entirety of NVidia's business. If sony was that close on first release it might be a little sad for nvidia.

porkChop107d ago

It's not even really about time. Nvidia has the best engineers for both hardware and software. Sony just can't compete with that. PSSR isn't bad and it'll continue to get better, but the gap between PSSR and DLSS will likely get bigger over time.

Whitey2k106d ago

I wouldn't say the best they just been doing for years I'd say sony engineers doing good considering how long pssr been out and already trades blows with dlss 3.2 in some areas

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Fishy Fingers107d ago

The best thing to about this is the new Transformer upscaler (while being more demanding - few frames) will be supported from the 20 gen onwards.

1nsomniac107d ago (Edited 107d ago )

it seems pretty demanding on a 20 series card, obviously dependant on which card and what game. But it does hit hard and is noticeably more than "a few frames". watched a comparison earlier that showed I think it was a 15-25fps negative difference between the same scene on DLSS 3.8 vs DLSS 4. Strangely enough DLSS 4 seems to work best on the 40 series. Difference was about 2-4fps.

hennessey86105d ago

I think the frame hit was when Ray reconstruction was in use, super res had less of a an imapct

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30 Years Ago, Sega Took Its Biggest Gamble With Saturn And Failed

"That’s not how you launch a system".

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thorstein1d 14h ago

The Dreamcast was the biggest gamble and way ahead of its time.

OtterX1d 14h ago

I wish we lived in the Alternate Timeline where Sega was still a dominant force in the console space and it hadn't been Microsoft.

Deeeeznuuuts12h ago

I've always said this, would much prefer SEGA, such a shame.

blacktiger5h ago

this was all part of the plan to give Microsoft the spot

chicken_in_the_corn5h ago

Would be interesting to see what they would do for a modern console.

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darthv721d 12h ago

Saturn was a fantastic piece of kit... they just went a little too ambitious with its dual CPU setup. which turned a lot of developers off (at the time). The homebrew community have done some amazing work many years later, thanks to multichip experience. It is still the best platform for arcade fighters and shmups of all time. Dreamcast is a close 2nd though.

Profchaos1d 1h ago

Yeah it was a interesting decision especially when looking at how dual CPU is considered a root cause of why the Jaguar was a failure.

Also the hardware rendered four sided polygons where the standard was three if they kept with triangle polygons I feel the systems development would have been easier to work with and we would have seen more third party ports in the west.

I think it was a victim of its time more than anything it saw huge success in Japan but the leadership and internal turmoil in the west meant games were not getting localised along with a focus on arcade like games were the PlayStation and later the N64 were pushing more in depth experiences over coin munching high score driven games.

Knightofelemia1d 10h ago

I still enjoy my Saturn it was the first console I mowed lawns for and saved up for to purchase. I went so far as to purchase a used Saturn to run off an SD card. I even have a second Dreamcast modded to run off an SD card as well.

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NES Games That Hold Up Brilliantly

Unlike most SNL special guests from the 00s, a lot of NES games just do not age.

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How Sony Fixed Their PS3 Launch Mistakes

This is the story of how the creators of the all-time best selling console almost crippled its own successor’s early life.

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ABizzel13d ago

They retired Ken Kutaragi, moved away from overly expensive custom hardware, and went with more traditional hardware available to the market and listened to developer needs.

Profchaos2d ago

It's true but also PlayStation publicly came out and stated third party wasn't important to them.

ironic that what worked for them the previous generation caused them significant pain in the subsequent one.

The PS2 was actually a significant challenge to develop for far worse than the PS1 ever was but the competition at the time was struggling so much they couldn't make up the ground Dreamcast had a stigma of being a last gen console by the time the PS2 came around and looked inferior compared to games like grab Turismo 3, the GameCube and Xbox were still a ways away and PlayStation had the reputation as being the place to play it was a perfect storm for them and the GTA games not coming to Dreamcast and Sony's embrace really helped.

Third party basically drove PlayStation yi success over more capable consoles Xbox may have looked better at the time but it didn't have GTA 3, vc, Sa or the stories games the mainline entries didn't hit the Xbox until many years after being on PlayStation.

Then the PS3 with it's cell architecture ramped it up again and just hurt Devs they didn't focus on the GPU as much as they should have and they didn't realise their deals they made with IBM could have resulted in the cell architecture being shared with Microsoft which it was and it did help them develop the 360

But really the 90s and 2000s were a wild time for game consoles now it's a little boring it's all off the shelf components and everything is mostly the same

gunnerforlife2d ago

After losing so many 3rd party exclusives, they buckled down and concentrated on amazing first party games! God of war 3, Killzone 2, resistance, uncharted, the last of us, MgS4, little big planet, demon souls and so many more games!! They won the gamers back by playing smart! Even though the media and all big gaming websites from ign, gamespot, kotaku etc were all against it!! I had fun with ps2, but it's ps3 where I really grew up and had the time of my life.

BlackCountryBob1d 20h ago

It’s weird to look back on how even today the games media narrative was stuck in 2006 to say it was overpriced and had no games which was outsold by 360 (all incorrect).

In many ways, it’s similar to how the Xbox One was never really able to move past the launch even though after a year or so it was an entirely different proposition (but Microsoft didn’t do nearly as good a job as Sony did to recover IMO).

gunnerforlife1d 2h ago

I'm glad it received the hate from western media! It humbled them quite a lot and forced them to buckle down and concentrate where it mattered most! Games games games!! And they learned a lot from their mistakes with ps3 and they made one of the greatest consoles ever in ps4!!

So true! Where Sony realised their mistakes and corrected everything, MS were either too arrogant to change course or just didn't have the tools/capabilities to correct course and get back to basics! Games games games! Which is sad because with no rival, Sony this generation has stagnated a lot!! This generation is a write off in my books!!!

OhReginald1d 15h ago

I was committed to that whole generation. What turned Ps3 around from being a failure to a success was in 2009 with the releases of the first ps3 slim model with a cheaper price tag, the kevin butler marketing campaign, and a ton of 1st party AAA games that were critically acclaimed and loved by the fans like Uncharted 2 (this was a bigger deal than the first game), Killzone 2 (91 on metacritic), inFamous, LittleBigPlanet (a serious threat to mario at the time), Demon's Souls( it was very niche but the word of mouth and gamespots goty award helped it and helped ps3). The big game everyone that bought a ps3 was waiting for was mgs4 in 2008 and GT5 in 2010. Anyways I think the ps3 was way ahead of its time with the games I mentioned above and breakout hits like the last of us.