Xbox’s Future in Console War Looks “Pretty Bright” According To Circana's Mat Piscatella

"You look at their results in their earnings reports, and you go, okay, that looks pretty darn good"

[Obscure_Observer]

"You look at their results in their earnings reports, and you go, okay, that looks pretty darn good"

Indeed. Thanks to ABK´s acquisition Microsoft has surpassed Tencent and is now the largest and most profitable video game publisher in the world!

[Terry_B]

..but that did not result in better xbox console sales, or?

So how can the xbox future in the "console war" be bright if xbox is way behind the sony and nintendo consoles install base?

According to vgchartz, 2023 year-to-date, the PlayStation 5 has sold an estimated 21.64 million units, the Nintendo Switch has sold 15.90 million units, and the Xbox Series X|S has sold 7.50 million units.

how does that mean a bright future for the xbox?

[Lightning77]

Engagement, services and third party efforts is making them the money where the console can't.

[Obscure_Observer]

"So how can the xbox future in the "console war" be bright if xbox is way behind the sony and nintendo consoles install base?"

IMO, It's no longer a "console war" in the traditional sense, at least for MS.

They´d lost the console war and now they´re making money elsewhere from every gaming platform out there.

And it´s working like a charm for them as MS is now the biggest gaming company in the world.

They mighty stay in the console business for as long as they want, just because they can, and not because they need it anymore. And that´s the reason they couldn´t even bother to release a mid gen refresh Xbox console in the first place.

Hopefully they´ll release the next gen Xbox early and do their own thing in their own pace.

[S2Killinit]

Pretty bright, ey?

Here are November sales results:

PS5 sales compared to the same month for the PS4 in 2017 are up by nearly 0.62 million units, while the Xbox Series X|S compared to the same month for the Xbox One are down by over 1.59 million units. PS4 sold 3.50 million units for the month of November 2017 and Xbox One sales were at 2.36 million units.

PlayStation 5 sales compared to the same month a year ago are up by 638,229 (18.3%). Xbox Series X|S sales are down by 261,092 units (-25.4%)

To put it into perspective, Dveio broke it down for everyone:

- X|S down 67% to Xbox One's aligned November
- X|S didn''t sell 1M units worldwide in November
- PS5 outsold X|S 11:1 in Europe
- PS5 outsold X|S 2.9:1 in US
- PS5 outsold X|S 5.4:1 globally
- PS5 became the first console to sell over 4M units globally

Yeah pretty bright. They are losing to xbox one!

[CrimsonWing69]

In all fairness don’t most of the publishers make profit through software and not hardware sales?

[Hofstaderman]

Its bright because its literally on fire.

[Johnh5223]

I use gamepass more than ps + games day one release for 20$ better buying an 70$ dud. As a gamer how can you not appreciate that?

[PhillyDonJawn]

It's a money game, they're playing chess not checkers. Even next gen consoles sells wont be that great. But after that once all them deals expire....MS might be a monopoly in the console industry. Imagine all the ms games that came to PS sequels or follow up game by the devs only available via a MS game sub on PS?

[VariantAEC]

@Obsure_Observer wrote, "IMO, It's no longer a "console war" in the traditional sense, at least for MS."

Headline: "Xbox’s Future in Console War Looks “Pretty Bright” According To Circana's Mat Piscatella"

So, the console war is no longer about consoles? Sure... 🙄

[Reaper22_]

Xbox is the comeback kid. I'm glad xbox is having some succes. Keep those games coming, Microsoft.

[Hofstaderman]

Comeback for another beatdown?

[S2Killinit]

No it is not. Stop lying.

[Lightning77]

Xbox doesn't care about console sales clearly since everything's an Xbox these days that's been the whole theme the past few years. They make money from software, services now third party publishing.

Nobody's lying it's a case of you not wanting them to make money. Big difference.

[Knushwood Butt]

^
Wow, keep drinking the cool-aid.

[S2Killinit]

@Lightning
It’s a lie and you know it.

And as to what you said about me. Check my comment history for a comment I made today prior to yours to check your claim about me. Im not delusional like some of you xbox supporters here.

[Lightning77]

Why would someone taken your word over some these industry experts? That's what I wanna know.

Besides what's a lie exactly? They're not making money? Yes they're making lots of money especially after COD. Clearly they'll make more from Doom, Outerwolds, Indy on PS so yes they're factually making money. Even going back to their financial reports last quarter.

Fanboys aren't experts in anything because what are facts to you ppl. No nobody listens to fanboys except other fanboys. So please sit.

It's not about being a fan of anything. It's just facts and facts is all I speak. I know you ppl like you don't like facts. Well, too bad.

Man y'all were doing good the past few months on here now yall decided to start the year off like this I see. It's OK you be the fanboy I'll bring the facts and call it a day like usual I guess.

@Kush I know facts go over your head. I don't expect your type to understand its too complicated for ppl like you.

[Knushwood Butt]

@ Lightning

I don't know what to say to you.

You say that MS doesn't care about console sales, and that's a fact.

OK dude!

[S2Killinit]

What’s a lie? Is it difficult to see what comment Im responding to? Or are you being intentionally sly so that you can go on your pro MS rant?

Fact is, MS has spent more capital than they have make in GROSS INCOME (not profit!) in FOUR generations of being in the gaming industry. THAT my good friend is FACT. Everything else you said is a twist to make xbox’s demise as a positive. Xbox is literally going full 3rd party, and becoming a monthly subscription service. Not because they like to, but because they HAVE to. They are forced to. They are less and less relevant as the years go by. They bought Activision just to stay afloat.

[Lightning77]

"Everything else you said is a twist to make xbox’s demise as a positive."

See what I mean you played right into it. You can't handle facts, you call it a "twist" when everything I said was facts and now you're gonna argue with said to facts. That's what ppl like you do, all the time. Doesn't change that it's s fact.

As I said some of these ppl are industry experts vs... Ppl like you. Yeah you're nobody especially being a fanboy. You'll lose every single time. No you're one of the delusional ones. Don't pretend you're not.

They're already 3rd party and already have monthly subscription service. I don't know what you're getting at here.

@Kush Yeeep that's what I said.

[RauLeCreuset]

This is a riot. Lightning is over here lecturing you on facts after coming from the Wukong thread where he tried to argue that he was justified in only considering Sony's prior exclusivity deals to the exclusion of all other information and evidence in leaping to the conclusion that Sony cut a secret deal to keep it off Xbox.

https://n4g.com/comments/re...

Edit: This is just factually incorrect: "It's just facts and facts is all I speak."

[Lightning77]

Hey looks it's the puppy @Ra you have only one thing right over me and now taking a victory lap because you finally got something right for once. Hey broken clocks are right once a day after all.

Already admitted it like a man I was wrong so.. What are we doin?

Are you gonna talk about the topic ND be on topic? Or are you gonna just follow me around like a puppy where I have to continue to punish you and stick your nose in your own feces? Your choice. I fully expect you to choose the wrong choice. That's your type, gluttony for punishment and embarrassment.

Go ahead go ahead and tell me how I'm wrong here. Since you're so... (chuckles) smart...

[RauLeCreuset]

"Already admitted it like a man I was wrong so.. What are we doin?"

What are you doing? You're in one article proudly arguing your disregard for facts, and over here pretending like you give a crap about facts to justify lashing out at people in this article. Sorry if I ruined the pretense you're trying to hide behind to justify engaging in your same tired act, and after you were so kind to me.

What you mean by admitting like a man that you were wrong is that you thought you could just say those words and have them serve you like a get out of jail free card while acting like it was just a misfortune of chance that you were wrong, refusing to acknowledge that it was your own flawed thinking and behavior that led to you being wrong, and continuing to shift the blame to Sony for your error that had you falsely accuse them in multiple posts and attacking people who correctly challenged your incorrect position. If you care about "facts," argue the facts instead of trying to make an argument out of calling people fanboys.

"Go ahead go ahead and tell me how I'm wrong here."

Since you insist...

"Hey broken clocks are right once a day after all."

Broken clocks are right twice a day. You're welcome.

[RauLeCreuset]

@Lightning

It occurs to me that you actually may not understand how to follow the thread.

S2Killinit was responding to the original post made by Obscure Observer, specifically to the claim that "thanks to ABK´s acquisition Microsoft has surpassed Tencent and is now the largest and most profitable video game publisher in the world." That's what S2Killinit is calling a lie, and Obscure is the one being accused of lying.

You said in your response to S2Killinit's reply to Obscure that nobody is lying and that it's a case of S2Killinit not wanting them (MS) to make money.

Pause.

With that statement, you have vouched for Obscure's claim.

1) Are you able to provide proof to establish that it is true that the MS surpassed Tencent to become the largest and most profitable video game publisher in the world thanks to their acquisition of ABK? This is the crux of the argument you are having whether you realized it or not.

2) The answer to #1 will play into this. Were you stating a fact that you can prove when you claimed S2Killinit doesn't want MS to make money, or were you stating your opinion?

[Lightning77]

@Ra

Man you're annoyingly predictable. Alluding to things that have nothing to do with the topic at all.

"Go ahead go ahead and tell me how I'm wrong here."

Since you insist...

"Hey broken clocks are right once a day after all."

Broken clocks are right twice a day. You're welcome."

Exaaaactly. You can't what do you know. Btw it's only 12pm once and 12am once. So once a day.

"1) Are you able to provide proof to establish that it is true that the MS surpassed Tencent to become the largest and most profitable video game publisher in the world thanks to their acquisition of ABK? "

That's your made up argument I just said they're making money. In which they are nice try in starting to add stuff.

Let me speak lies. They're gonna close their Xbox doors at the end of the year. Despite having multiple first party multiplatform releases, several day one GP games this year. But it's over for Xbox.. Just because we don't like xbox, that's why it's over. You happy now little boy? That's the kinda nonsense your kind like?

[RauLeCreuset]

"Btw it's only 12pm once and 12am once. So once a day."

Don't do that to yourself, bruh. People are watching. This after spending so much time insulting my intelligence.

I... I have no more words... Yeah. Let's move along.

"That's your made up argument I just said they're making money. In which they are nice try in starting to add stuff."

Be specific. What exactly were you accusing me of making up when you said that? Are you objecting to me saying that you vouched for Obscure's claim, or are you referring to something else when you say that's my made up argument? You need to learn to communicate your thoughts clearly if you're going to position yourself as the adult in the conversation.

"Let me speak lies. They're gonna close their Xbox doors at the end of the year. Despite having multiple first party multiplatform releases, several day one GP games this year. But it's over for Xbox.. Just because we don't like xbox, that's why it's over. You happy now little boy? That's the kinda nonsense your kind like?"

Okay. Time to come back to reality. Stop rambling. That has nothing to do with anything.

You wanted to talk about the topic, right? That's what we're doing. You were also the one who boasted that you bring the facts. That quote above is not you bringing the facts. That's you getting upset and going off on a tangent.

I'll ask again.

1) Do you have evidence to prove Obscure's claim that MS surpassed Tencent to became the world's biggest and most profitable video game publisher because of ABK acquisition?

2) Were you stating a fact that you can prove when you claimed S2Killinit doesn't want MS to make money, or were you stating your opinion?

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

@Lightning77

* * *"Exaaaactly. You can't what do you know. Btw it's only 12pm once and 12am once. So once a day."* * *

Are you trolling? If a clock is broken at 12:00 (hour hand and minute hand are stuck at the 12 mark) the clock will be right at 12am at the start of day and right at 12pm at the middle of day. . .

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were joking/trolling. . . holy shit this guy...

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Also just want to point out that the actual content of the article has nothing to do with any "console war". It's why I said "lol at the headline" below because they are just trying to get clicks. It's about MS future in gaming space being good as long as they continue to embrace other platforms rather than trying to compete against them so that lack of console sales won't be their doom.

[RauLeCreuset]

"Also just want to point out that the actual content of the article has nothing to do with any 'console war'. It's why I said 'lol at the headline' below because they are just trying to get clicks."

I noticed that. It's a choice headline to reframe the idea that Xbox needs to shift priorities away from the console war Phil admitted they lost to being a 3rd party publisher. OP came into the comments section with more spin that distracted from that point before it could be addressed. People can form their own conclusions on what that's about.

"If a clock is broken at 12:00 (hour hand and minute hand are stuck at the 12 mark) the clock will be right at 12am at the start of day and right at 12pm at the middle of day. . ."

Part of me wishes you hadn't broken it down for him and made him try to work it out himself. This is the first time I have ever encountered anyone of any age who didn't understand upon first hearing the analogy that the broken clock is correct two times in a day because "if a clock is broken at 12:00" it will be right once in the morning and once at noon. Let alone someone trying to use the analogy not getting it.

Another part of me has to wonder if it won't matter because he still won't get it after you worked through it for him. Still not getting things after other people work through it for him has been a thing with him. Lightning was using the analogy and still was incapable of getting it after having the error pointed out. He doubled down, came back 7 minutes later to edit his post, and kept the part doubling down on it being once a day. That is the product of his thinking. He believes it. He recognized it would be 12 am once and 12 pm once. And. Still. Doubled. Down.

He's also missing the point of the analogy, which he tried to use against me here and on the other article. The idea is that the clock is stuck displaying one time because it isn't functional and that the two times a day it happens to be right are not the product of anything the clock did correctly.

Lightning is trying to use the analogy to downplay that people he dismissed as fanboys were right and is missing that part of the lesson to be learned from the analogy is that it would be foolish to assume that the broken clock is always wrong.

He should also realize (but won't) that he is the one who is analogous to the broken clock. The broken clock doesn't work at all to earn the 2 times a day it is right. We can show our work. We have posts showing us logically working through the facts, the available information, and the known missing information. We were right because we were functioning correctly to produce that outcome, just as the properly functioning clock displays the correct time BECAUSE it is functioning properly, not by accident. Lightning proudly boasts about how he ignored that and didn't bother doing any critical thinking of his own, deliberately disregarding facts and information to leap to the erroneous conclusion that Sony must have money-hatted Wukong because they (like many others) have done exclusivity deals before.

His lazy thinking and head-in-the-sand refusal to work through the information and facts make him the broken clock that didn't do the work to put himself in the best position to be right, regardless of whether it had been revealed that Sony did or did not money-hat Wukong. He's only owning up to being caught stuck on the wrong time but is unwilling to take accountability for functioning in a broken way that made that the likely outcome.

[Lightning77]

"Be specific. What exactly were you accusing me of making up when you said that?"

What do you mean specific? You mentioned Tencent I said they're making money. Not hard to understand. I didn't bring up Tencent to anyone. No, you just need to learn to read kid I'm not lookin at what Obscure said or anything.

"You wanted to talk about the topic, right? That's what we're doing. You were also the one who boasted that you bring the facts. That quote above is not you bringing the facts. That's you getting upset and going off on a tangent."

Since you're 5 years old I have to break it down to you like a 5 year old. Here we go again read sloooowly....

1.) Was COD a major success last year? Fact or fiction? Fact.

2. ) Does MS ignore console sales for services, engagement and GP and third party publishing. Fact or fiction? Fact.

Obviously if Xbox games suck this year then Xbox won't be makin money and losing money. They still have a quality issues. (Indy's quality but they need more than that consistently)

You twist, add make up stuff when I was straight to the point. You're still confused aren't you.....of course you are...

I'm not speaking for Obscure I'm speaking for myself kid. Freakin listen kid... Idc what he has to say.

S2 is also a known fanboy. Of course you fanboys need to stick to together after all. Let me guess now you're gonna waste time explaining how y'all are not fanboys and blah, blah blah here we go... Save that long rant please don't go there.

[S2Killinit]

@Lightning
Admit he got you good and take the loss.

[RauLeCreuset]

@S2Killinit

This is the same person who boasted about his ability to man up and admit when he's wrong.

@Lightning

"You're still confused aren't you.....of course you are..."

Boy, if you don't go sit down somewhere. Doubling down on the insults and projection isn't going to distract from the fact that you played yourself by making it clear that you can't grasp why a clock stuck at 12:00 would be right twice a day if it's 12:00 twice in a day. You're not going to insult your way out of exposing yourself with that unforced error because you are too incapable of recognizing your limitations to have passed on your insecure need to get the better of me. All your response is doing is calling attention to how you are too embarrassed to acknowledge it.

Also, you should remember before coming at anyone's intelligence that you were on this site for over two years and still couldn't figure out how to properly reply in a thread until I took the time in a middle of an argument to teach you out of exasperation and pity. There are receipts. Call my bluff so I can post them. Or ignore this and tell yourself the lie that no one will notice if you do, like how you did with the broken clock embarrassment in your last reply.

"What do you mean specific?"

Regardless of my prior patience, pity, and assistance, I'm not your tutor, Lightning. Specific means specific. There are free resources to help with that available over the same internet you're using to make such a lasting impression of yourself as you accuse others of being unable to read.

"You mentioned Tencent I said they're making money. Not hard to understand. I didn't bring up Tencent to anyone. No, you just need to learn to read kid I'm not lookin at what Obscure said or anything."

Are you functionally incapable of understanding that you were defending the truthfulness of what Obscure said in the OP? I broke it down and connected the dots for you to a degree that isn't needed with any other user on N4G because you didn't get it when S2Killinit asked "Is it difficult to see what comment Im responding to" in reply to you asking "what's a lie exactly?" It amazes me that you will partake in a conversation despite the basics being so over your head that you need it broken down like this.

I have to break this down for you to such a degree that this has to become multiple posts.

[RauLeCreuset]

S2Killinit challenged a claim made by OBSCURE, not supposed industry experts you started rambling about in your non sequitur.

[Pause to provide definitions of a non sequitur because you do it a lot. More on that later.]

1. an inference (see inference sense 1) that does not follow from the premises (see premise entry 1 sense 1)
2. a statement (such as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said

That one's on me. You find "specific" on your own.

[Resume]

Obscure made the claim that MS overtook Tencent as the largest and most profitable video game publisher in the world thanks to the ABK acquisition. Obscure. Not anyone in the article. Not "industry experts." Stay with me. S2Killinit called OBSCURE'S claim a lie. You replied to S2Killinit calling OBSCURE'S claim a lie by saying "nobody's lying" and accusing S2Killinit of saying Obscure's claim is a lie because S2Killinit does not want them (MS) to make money.

Still following?

That and your claim that "everything I said was facts" are why I broke the conversation down for you, fully aware that you may have been incapable of following the basic logical flow of a conversation you voluntarily jumped into and ignorant to the fact that you were defending Obscure's claim, whether you realized it or not, when you told S2Killinit "nobody's lying." Stay with me.

Your assertion that Obscure was not lying is itself something that is either true or false, which is something we can look at to judge the accuracy of your claim that "everything I said was facts"? Do you understand? Stay with me a little more.

That is why I asked if you were able to provide proof to establish that it is true that MS surpassed Tencent to become the largest and most profitable video game publisher in the world thanks to their acquisition of ABK, which I immediately pointed out to you was the crux of the argument you were having, with S2Killinit and Knushwood Butt, in an attempt to help you understand that my question is highly relevant to the dispute.

That is also why I asked if you were stating a fact that you can prove when you claimed S2Killinit doesn't want MS to make money, or were you stating your opinion.

If you still can't understand, then you need to spend more time building up your comprehension skills and less time hurling insults and challenging others' intelligence, while demonstrating over multiple posts that you are incapable, even after being corrected, of understanding that a clock stuck at 12:00 will be right twice a day.

(Last part to follow.)

[RauLeCreuset]

"1.) Was COD a major success last year? Fact or fiction? Fact.

"2. ) Does MS ignore console sales for services, engagement and GP and third party publishing. Fact or fiction? Fact."

This is more of that non sequitur stuff I mentioned above. It has jack all to do with our point of disagreement. This is what you do continually. You're the type who will jump into an argument over who is the greatest fighter of all time, claim it's [insert random fighter] because they wear a certain color trunks, and belligerently insist the people you're arguing with answer "yes or no" to whether or not [previously chosen fighter] does, in fact, wear the color of trunks that you claimed, as if it is relevant to your disagreement. That, along with alternating between patting yourself on the back (because no one else will), hurling insults, crying "fanboy," and going off on tangents, is the cut-and-paste standard Lightning argument that you try to use with nearly everyone you get into it with.

"Obviously if Xbox games suck this year then Xbox won't be makin money and losing money. They still have a quality issues. (Indy's quality but they need more than that consistently)"

Another non sequitur. I hope after I had to break it down for you again, you're at least more capable of now understanding why that is than you were capable of understanding why a clock stuck at 12:00 would be right twice a day if it's 12:00 twice in a day. (Have mercy.)

"S2 is also a known fanboy. Of course you fanboys need to stick to together after all."

I'm not going to bring anyone else into this other than to point out that this is peak irony.

Update: I almost forgot—

"No, you just need to learn to read kid I'm not lookin at what Obscure said or anything."

We know. That's the problem and says a lot (Notice that's "a" space "lot," not "allot" which IS a word that has a different meaning than "a lot") about you. You came to his defense and don't seem capable of realizing that's what you did that has people arguing with you.

[Lightning77]

Broken clock surr good for you.

"Regardless of my prior patience, pity, and assistance, I'm not your tutor, Lightning. Specific means specific. There are free resources to help with that available over the same internet you're using to make such a lasting impression of yourself as you accuse others of being unable to read."

Once again you won't be specific about anything just blah, blah, blah constantly. Your not saying anything, why you even here? To waste my time? You're wasting time with constant gibberish of saying a whole lot of nothing.

Tell me right now what's your point on anything? I even explained to you I wasn't even talking about but still decided to ramble. About nothing and deflect. You need help.

Can you tell name how Im wrong about this.

"1.) Was COD a major success last year? Fact or fiction? Fact.

2. ) Does MS ignore console sales for services, engagement and GP and third party publishing. Fact or fiction? Fact.

Obviously if Xbox games suck this year then Xbox won't be makin money and losing money. They still have a quality issues. (Indy's quality but they need more than that consistently)"

Stay.... On... Topic.. No paragraphs, no deflecting, no BS, no stupid rants about nothing. Am I right or wrong here yes or no it's easy. It's real simple. Again... STAY... ON... TOPIC. Can't stress that enough. Don't talk about Obscure or nothing else. Focus... Just focus.

[RauLeCreuset]

"Broken clock surr good for you."

Yeah. Broken clock. The the thing that exposed the fundamental limitation of your understanding without me having to call you a bunch of names to prove the point.

I already told you we're not doing the non sequiturs that you want to deflect with and pretend are relevant after refusing to answer my questions.

I already told you why I asked my questions and explained the relevance to the argument.

Whether or not it's a fact that COD was a "major success" (a subjective determination that one would need more than the data MS has provided to form an opinion on, let alone label a "fact") is irrelevant to whether you were speaking factually when you claimed it wasn't a lie when Obscure claimed that MS surpassed Tencent and is now the largest and most profitable video game publisher in the world thanks to the ABK acquisition. .

Whether or not MS ignores console sales for services, engagement and GP and third party publishing is irrelevant to whether you were speaking factually when you said S2Killinit was wrong about Obscure's claim being a lie, and only making stuff up because S2Killinit doesn't want MS to make money.

For sake of argument, take the position that both of those things you asked about are facts. That does not mean you were speaking factually when you said Obscure wasn't lying and that S2Killinit accused Obscure of lying because S2Killinit doesn't want MS to make money. What you are asking about is irrelevant.

You seem incapable of understanding that citing a fact, or facts, in your argument does not make the overall argument itself factual, and that fact or facts do not mean that everything else you have said in your argument is a fact, particularly when you're pointing to other supposed facts in your argument that are irrelevant to proving the factuality of other parts of your argument that you are being challenged on.

That's what it is. I'm not your mother. I'm not your father. You're not going to get your way by throwing a tantrum and crying louder. No one else on here needs stuff broken down for them like this. You, on the other hand, continually find yourself raging at people for supposedly not understanding you. It's you Lightning.

[Lightning77]

Shut..... Up.....

I told you not to do paragraphs and yet here we freakin are. I'm not even talking to you but prefer to follow me around like a puppy or some kind of psycho fanatic, mind your own buissness weirdo. Gibber jabbering about God knows what at this point. When you you go on wall of text it makes you not want to read it, especially if you do it constantly. You might have some good points in there I dunno idc because you can't do a normal comment. Either way I'm not even talking to you so I really don't care. I didn't even read what Obscure wrote. So there's no defending anyone. Fact is MS is making money, that's my simple ass statement. Now waste more of your own time and write a novel about nothing at this point.

[MrDead]

So you prioritise MS profits over the industries innovation and workforce... interesting.

$80 billion spent and all MS has to show for it is a less competitive industry and thousands fired... but the rich got even richer so that's great news for you.

[Obscure_Observer]

How many times do I have to tell you, man? Just get over it and move on with your life!

MS is now the biggest gaming company in the market. Now you´re dreams of a gaming industry free of MS influence will never come to realize in your lifetime.

It is what is. Have a nice weekend.

[S2Killinit]

MS is 3rd after Tencent and Sony. And is in a 84 BILLION dollar deficit. Facts. Thus becoming 3rd party publisher. Escaping its competition to survive.

[Obscure_Observer]

@S2Killinit

"MS is 3rd after Tencent and Sony. And is in a 84 BILLION dollar deficit. Facts."

Go bother someone else with your bs lies, man. Tencent is history and Sony can´t come even close.

https://companiesmarketcap....

[RauLeCreuset]

@Obscure

That's for the entirety of Microsoft. It isn't comparing how profitable each is in the video game sector.

I would hope you would have more integrity than to pull a fast one by acting like your claim was not specific to video gaming, which would make it pointless to have mentioned unless deliberately trying to mislead people into thinking you were talking about profitability as a video game publisher.

If that is what you were doing, I'll remind you of what you said. "Thanks to ABK´s acquisition Microsoft has surpassed Tencent and is now the largest and most profitable video game publisher in the world!" The important words in this context being "thanks to ABK's acquisition." If you are going to play the game of claiming you weren't restricting your comments to video gaming, you have to keep it consistent by looking at the same for each company before the ABK acquisition because you clearly stated MS surpassed Tencent thanks to the ABK acquisition.

https://companiesmarketcap....
https://companiesmarketcap....

As you can see, per your source, Microsoft's earnings were already multiple times that of Tencent's years before Oct. 13, 2023, the date MS completed the ABK acquisition, and that has remained the case to date. The ABK acquisition wasn't the primary factor and played no role at all in MS doing something it had already done. Your claim would be misleading for trying to give the impression it was about profitability from video game publishing and also untrue if going by your evidence.

[crazyCoconuts]

Wait, so you submit the story adding "console wars" to the title, then say it's not about the console wars. Clever.

So the news is that MS buys up all the biggest game developers and, in turn, are making a lot more revenue? Wow. In related news, if you eat more, you'll gain more weight.

Once the actual console was is over, the "how much is Microsoft making" discussion is even less relevant. It's not really Xbox anymore.

[Skate-AK]

That's a damn good point. Lol. The goal posts are in a perpetual state of flux.

[Johnh5223]

Why people so angry about gamepass i got to play call of duty for 20 bucks glad i didnt pay 70$ on trash if i got it on ps5. Where are these hardcore sony fans when concord dropped lmao.

[Eonjay]

Happy new year. The clear issue here is that console sales for Xbox are in the trash. Earnings however should be up because they have a new consumer base to address and that's PlayStation owners.

Clearly one has to realize that Microsoft is probably making more profit off of PlayStation than Xbox.

But unlike all the doomsayers I think that GP and the revenue that is tied into Xbox consoles is what will ensure the next Cbox console. Just don't expect the sales trajectory to improve.

[MetroidFREAK21]

God you're cringe

[MaximusPrime_]

You reckon?

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

LOL at the headline.

[Knightofelemia]

It can look as bright as it wants. I still say I am not dropping money on a next gen Xbox unless Microsoft can convince me as a consumer as to why I should choose their product. The game I am interested in is coming to PS5 in 2025, the Series S hinders the Series X, Xbox is dead last in sales. Until I am convinced by Microsoft I'll stick to Sony since they have convinced me into why I bought a Playstation.

[Darkegg]

Agreed. I was disappointed with everything, particularly the expansion card. I mean, you want digital sales? Give customers the shopping cart! That they protected Seagate and WD to have a duopoly to maintain price of those, so how are we to enjoy our digitals? I am choosing PC, PS5 or 6, or Nintendo. And their rant on BC, well now there is a cross gen tax. So all the choices was anything but gaming, just business decisions to make it a generic console that plays previous gen games. The S rules only encouraged developers to abandon Xbox altogether. Sad.

[Tacoboto]

And by releasing their titles on PS, MS is also convincing you that's a great place to play.

[Elda]

XB consoles sales are in last place worldwide. Generations of XB consoles have always ended up being in last place when it came to sales. XB consoles future looking "pretty bright" means they'll always be in last place.

[Profchaos]

It's not really a position In the console war if you no longer have a platform.

If Xbox no longer makes hardware they are officially a third party no different to Ubisoft and that's the way it seems to be going.

If the majority of your profit comes from game sales on third party platforms then you're a multi plat developer

Man how many hundreds of billions have been spent since the Xbox one reveal and it's never shaken the stigma from that day

[Lightning77]

Their next controller got leaked. They have hardware in the making, they've mentioned it several times already last year.

[Profchaos]

Yeah they have mentioned it but there's two main things going on here.

The hardware team is still on payroll they need to be doing something

Leaks show that these consoles are more aligned to PC's than Xbox console

[gold_drake]

the fact that people still talk about "console wars" is the biggest problem.

[Doomeduk]

You missed the C 64 Vs spectrum 48k days and it was a bloodbath with those audio tapes ,Amiga Vs ATARI was a fast battle with the advent of floppy disks

[gold_drake]

haha i can imagine. thats was before my time ha.

[Profchaos]

Console wars are good for consumers at its core the console war is just competition which leads to more pro consumer moves.

We've seen the results of no competition in a space like a handheld where the Gameboy dominated from 89 to 2001 or really 2005 the hardware was outdated at launch but due to the lack of competition they didn't need to try and instead launching a slightly enhanced colour model in its last few years

The only real threat to their handheld dominance came in 2005 and in the end consumers benefited from that.

[Extermin8or3_]

Go look at the VG charts article about November sales.... This article has aged like rotting fish lol

[repsahj]

This article is like a maintenance medicine for Obscure_Observer from the November 2024 console sales. Look how he eagerly replying to all comments here. hahaha.

[ironmonkey]

War? LOL

[MrNinosan]

Mat Piscatella... so the opposite then

[MetroidFREAK21]

Yeah, no. It doesn't

[mastershredder]

As they fold for multi-platform. STFU. Yeah, the “console war” bs bit is really adorable and completely moot.

[PhillyDonJawn]

Exactly.

[Knushwood Butt]

Either these quotes are taken out of context or Mat Piscatella is the new Pachter.

[PhillyDonJawn]

How? Their earnings report shows how well they're doing

[Knushwood Butt]

Please show me any official source showing xbox's net income for any financial period in 2024.

'In FY24, Activision Blizzard reached a revenue of $5.72 billion and an operating loss of $1.36 billion (driven by various post-merger expenses).'.

[PhillyDonJawn]

https://www.microsoft.com/e...
I got 88 billion reasons this article is right

[Knushwood Butt]

That's for Microsoft Corp, not xbox.

So I'll try again.

Please show me any official source showing xbox's net income for any financial period in 2024.

[Knushwood Butt]

Still waiting.

[PhillyDonJawn]

So i guess you failed to read the link. 😕. Imagine after a FTC lawsuit showed you profit more than your competition then after the acquisition your content and sevice revenue skyrockets 61% YoY and you still have some folk with doom and gloom speak saying you losing money 😂 common sense aint so common. I get it you were probably lazy and didn't wanna read thru all that. Try this, it's straight to the point. Your net income question is answered just 2 paragraph below.
https://www.gamesindustry.b...

[Knushwood Butt]

'The company doesn't share exact numbers within its More Personal Computing segment, which includes Xbox.'.

You're the one failing to read.

[PhillyDonJawn]

If you think MS gaming sector is beyond Xbox and someone making billions while Xbox isn't turning a profit at all is insane. But I won't go back and forth. See when the new console release lol and the one after that 😂

[Knushwood Butt]

You have failed to deliver.

[PhillyDonJawn]

You failed to read. I provided what you wanted. Twice. And logic should've hit ya by now the fact Xbox isn't in the grave yard with windows phone and countless other failed projects should let you know they're making billions on top of billions off xbox. But you deny obvious logic and you deny document proof. So I can only assume you don't sleep well at night

[PhillyDonJawn]

https://n4g.com/news/264934...
Told ya!

[Green-Smurf]

No matter what positive feedback you add to this article, it will get down voted by sony fanboys. N4G has always been a Sony fan site

[YourMommySpoils]

I bet those people in the comment section praising Xbox, also have an xbox toilet brush and xbox toilet paper at their place.

[SonOfOsiris]

LOL rip xbox

[Putte]

I would argue that Xbox is doomed and we only see one more console from them. The numbers and the way Microsoft is heading is screaming there not any use for a console.

[PhillyDonJawn]

We've heard that 3 gens now.

[Putte]

So there you have your answer 😉

[Retro1986]

There is a stupid way to look at this, and that is to only look at the number of XSX and XSS sold and think that is all that matters.

[SimpleDad]

As a publisher, yes.